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On February 06 2013 20:44 Ingusstarcraft wrote:
To be honest, him, demu, incontrol and machine should have been dropped much sooner, they don't accomplish anything. Imagining the salary they're getting from EG, it would be much wiser to drop all of them and hire one or two really top class players, such as Squirtle... but that's just my 2 cents.
you must be kidding me right? how can you say that they shall kick incontrol, i think he makes more money than alot of other players, demusilm being one of the best foreign terrans and machine being the nicest guy ever.
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On February 07 2013 04:14 TsGBruzze wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 20:44 Ingusstarcraft wrote:
To be honest, him, demu, incontrol and machine should have been dropped much sooner, they don't accomplish anything. Imagining the salary they're getting from EG, it would be much wiser to drop all of them and hire one or two really top class players, such as Squirtle... but that's just my 2 cents. you must be kidding me right? how can you say that they shall kick incontrol, i think he makes more money than alot of other players, demusilm being one of the best foreign terrans and machine being the nicest guy ever.
incontrol should stay yeah, he is very good at what he does, I have some doubts with demusling but it's okay, but machine... nobody cares if he is a nice guy or the devil, this is not about being the nicest guy ever, this is about doing something useful for EG, maybe you can consider machine like a good practice partner, but I doubt it, he is like mid masters NA ? that's like korea diamond... I'm not hating on him, he's probably a coold dude, but I don't see how is he helping the team at all, the last time I saw him the last 6 months was in an EG advertisment
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best of luck in HOTS jake
most importantly, have fun 
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On February 07 2013 04:22 Berceno wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 04:14 TsGBruzze wrote:On February 06 2013 20:44 Ingusstarcraft wrote:
To be honest, him, demu, incontrol and machine should have been dropped much sooner, they don't accomplish anything. Imagining the salary they're getting from EG, it would be much wiser to drop all of them and hire one or two really top class players, such as Squirtle... but that's just my 2 cents. you must be kidding me right? how can you say that they shall kick incontrol, i think he makes more money than alot of other players, demusilm being one of the best foreign terrans and machine being the nicest guy ever. incontrol should stay yeah, he is very good at what he does, I have some doubts with demusling but it's okay, but machine... nobody cares if he is a nice guy or the devil, this is not about being the nicest guy ever, this is about doing something useful for EG, maybe you can consider machine like a good practice partner, but I doubt it, he is like mid masters NA ? that's like korea diamond... I'm not hating on him, he's probably a coold dude, but I don't see how is he helping the team at all, the last time I saw him the last 6 months was in an EG advertisment
Well he is alot better than mid masters... He streams alot and more often than not get alot of vievers, who knows he maybe doesnt get paid alot so what does eg lose by having in the team?
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If a team decides to keep a player they have a good reason for doing so. If EG, being one of the most successful teams in esports, decides to keep or drop a player, they will have a good reason. EG has quite a bit of skill in their roster, and maybe not every player makes the A team but that doesnt mean they should get dropped.
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On February 06 2013 20:44 Ingusstarcraft wrote:
To be honest, him, demu, incontrol and machine should have been dropped much sooner, they don't accomplish anything. Imagining the salary they're getting from EG, it would be much wiser to drop all of them and hire one or two really top class players, such as Squirtle... but that's just my 2 cents.
I agree about LZ and Machine. They bring nothing to the table for EG. Demuslim though is a decent player. And people really like him. Incontrol, though a terrible player, is a big personality and I think has done more for getting EG's name out there than some of their top players.
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On February 07 2013 04:14 TsGBruzze wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 20:44 Ingusstarcraft wrote:
To be honest, him, demu, incontrol and machine should have been dropped much sooner, they don't accomplish anything. Imagining the salary they're getting from EG, it would be much wiser to drop all of them and hire one or two really top class players, such as Squirtle... but that's just my 2 cents. you must be kidding me right? how can you say that they shall kick incontrol, i think he makes more money than alot of other players, demusilm being one of the best foreign terrans and machine being the nicest guy ever.
If niceness was a huge asset to SC2 teams Sheth would have Flash's salary... just sayin..
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On February 07 2013 04:14 TsGBruzze wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 20:44 Ingusstarcraft wrote:
To be honest, him, demu, incontrol and machine should have been dropped much sooner, they don't accomplish anything. Imagining the salary they're getting from EG, it would be much wiser to drop all of them and hire one or two really top class players, such as Squirtle... but that's just my 2 cents. you must be kidding me right? how can you say that they shall kick incontrol, i think he makes more money than alot of other players, demusilm being one of the best foreign terrans and machine being the nicest guy ever.
I already corrected myself about the incontrol part, he sure is a great help for the team, but not as a progamer. Demuslim is still bad, being one of the best foreign terrans, again, does not mean anything.
Oh, Machine is nice, ok, let's double his salary. If i make a team out of the nicest gold players ever, and i pay them thousands of dollars per month, i'm gonna have a great team, right? He does not serve any purpose for the team, therefore dropping him should be the best solution.
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On February 07 2013 06:44 Ingusstarcraft wrote:
... He does not serve any purpose for the team, therefore dropping him should be the best solution.
A solution for what problem?
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We don't even know if Machine HAS a sallary, to begin with.
And he must be practicing HoTS and getting an early start on things there. Who knows, maybe he is better now. It has been ages since I last saw him play.
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I think people bring up a good point in that, even if you don't think the players in question bring much to the table, as long as their salary is in line with the return on investment, then it's not as if the existence of them being on the team is a tragedy in any way. I also think that family feel can be good, as it can help take some pressure off players when they might start slumping.
With HotS coming out, if you weren't that great at WoL, why would you want to be paid based on that if you felt you could manage to get a lot better results in HotS? I'm sure in a game where bl/infestor isn't the obvious answer, that a creative player can only fare better. GL to him.
As for the viewer comments, I have to disagree. Known people will find a way to get views. Simply being on EG makes it hard to not get at least the views that LZ and Machine get. All you have to do is look at the bump that players like Suppy got. If Sterling can get 100+ viewers at times, yet no one at all knows him, relatively speaking, and his stream is good, then what would his numbers be if he were on EG? Probably more than QXC. So, it's not that black and white, but hopefully one day there will be more transparency on what exactly has to be accomplished before one can be on a pro team.
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On February 07 2013 04:37 TsGBruzze wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 04:22 Berceno wrote:On February 07 2013 04:14 TsGBruzze wrote:On February 06 2013 20:44 Ingusstarcraft wrote:
To be honest, him, demu, incontrol and machine should have been dropped much sooner, they don't accomplish anything. Imagining the salary they're getting from EG, it would be much wiser to drop all of them and hire one or two really top class players, such as Squirtle... but that's just my 2 cents. you must be kidding me right? how can you say that they shall kick incontrol, i think he makes more money than alot of other players, demusilm being one of the best foreign terrans and machine being the nicest guy ever. incontrol should stay yeah, he is very good at what he does, I have some doubts with demusling but it's okay, but machine... nobody cares if he is a nice guy or the devil, this is not about being the nicest guy ever, this is about doing something useful for EG, maybe you can consider machine like a good practice partner, but I doubt it, he is like mid masters NA ? that's like korea diamond... I'm not hating on him, he's probably a coold dude, but I don't see how is he helping the team at all, the last time I saw him the last 6 months was in an EG advertisment Well he is alot better than mid masters... He streams alot and more often than not get alot of vievers, who knows he maybe doesnt get paid alot so what does eg lose by having in the team?
Incontrol is good for EG. He's been in their commercials, He's pretty good at hosting (dreamhack) and he's a community personality. EG isn't just a professional team, but rather a brand. People know EG outside of starcraft; they have professionals players / teams in DOTA2 / League of Legends, Counter-Strike / SSF IV, and WoW. If they need another to help them get exposure, Incontrol is that kind of guy.
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Incontrol is a great personality and can easily stop being paid as a player, and more of a host type figure or a media personality for EG. As for Demuslim, he was close to beating Violet in NASL S4 finals, and while that may have been overlooked and felt like an eternity ago. It's still relevant, being one of the top foreigner Terrans is a rare feat these days (mainly due to how few play Terran as a foreigner).
But as for Machine, yeah I figure when his contract is up, he'll be gone just like LzGamer. Gotta trim the fat and use that dirty cash to afford another Korean Player to curse 
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On February 07 2013 08:58 yoshi245 wrote:Incontrol is a great personality and can easily stop being paid as a player, and more of a host type figure or a media personality for EG. As for Demuslim, he was close to beating Violet in NASL S4 finals, and while that may have been overlooked and felt like an eternity ago. It's still relevant, being one of the top foreigner Terrans is a rare feat these days (mainly due to how few play Terran as a foreigner). But as for Machine, yeah I figure when his contract is up, he'll be gone just like LzGamer. Gotta trim the fat and use that dirty cash to afford another Korean Player to curse
Ignoring the fact that LzGamer was offered a new contract, right?
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On February 07 2013 11:13 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 08:58 yoshi245 wrote:Incontrol is a great personality and can easily stop being paid as a player, and more of a host type figure or a media personality for EG. As for Demuslim, he was close to beating Violet in NASL S4 finals, and while that may have been overlooked and felt like an eternity ago. It's still relevant, being one of the top foreigner Terrans is a rare feat these days (mainly due to how few play Terran as a foreigner). But as for Machine, yeah I figure when his contract is up, he'll be gone just like LzGamer. Gotta trim the fat and use that dirty cash to afford another Korean Player to curse Ignoring the fact that LzGamer was offered a new contract, right?
I dont think that the contract that Lzgamer got offered was really good. Like seriously, why should they give him a good contract? There was no reason too and the fact that he didnt take it, pretty much says that it wasnt a good contract. EG also already got a good chunk of powerful zerg. The need for Lz wasnt really there. If I was EG, I would probably do the same thing and give him a small contract and if he doesnt take it, it doesnt really matter.
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I like how this thread almost immediately went from "Best of luck in the future, LzGamer" to "We totally need to rally against other players to make sure that they're removed from their pro teams, because they're not the best and we're managers and we know everything".
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On February 08 2013 03:43 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I like how this thread almost immediately went from "Best of luck in the future, LzGamer" to "We totally need to rally against other players to make sure that they're removed from their pro teams, because they're not the best and we're managers and we know everything".
Yeah it's pretty annoying, if people wanna talk about shit like that they should goto sc2 general discussion or something, this isn' the place for it.
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On February 08 2013 03:43 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I like how this thread almost immediately went from "Best of luck in the future, LzGamer" to "We totally need to rally against other players to make sure that they're removed from their pro teams, because they're not the best and we're managers and we know everything".
Its pretty standard, because its the internet and its pretty dumb here. Most people love to point to results and claim that is the reason to keep paying someone on the team. Because that totally works in real sports. When teams don't win superbowls, closed down. Golfers are forced to give up their clubs if they go 2 year without a major title. All the other racers that don't win the tour de france, forced to ride into the ocean. Olympic athletes that get fourth place, not invited by to the national team in 4 years.
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Good luck LzGamer! Hopefully good things are in store for you! I met him at an MLG event and he was a really nice guy, had time to take pictures and was pleasant with the fans, a really good representative for esports.
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Is /r/starcraft leaking again? This thread feels like another big anti-EG circlejerk.
Unless you have detailed inside knowledge of the workings of EG as a corporation, detailed salary information on all pro players, and are basically Alex fucking Garfield, it's probably in your best interest to just stop talking like you're in the know about what EG should do, because you're making yourself look like an ass.
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