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On January 20 2018 03:52 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 03:51 Danglars wrote:On January 20 2018 03:45 brian wrote:On January 20 2018 03:43 Danglars wrote:On January 20 2018 02:32 Introvert wrote:On January 20 2018 02:27 Plansix wrote:On January 20 2018 02:26 Introvert wrote:On January 20 2018 01:52 brian wrote:On January 20 2018 01:17 Introvert wrote:On January 20 2018 01:11 brian wrote:
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i enjoy that you call children’s health insurance a carrot. that speaks volumes. The expected response. Devoid of anyt critical thought. No, I don't think "children's health insurance" is a "carrot." The extra SIX YEARS is a carrot. As I said before they've been haggling about how to pay for it for months. Also the GOP could prob get to 50, but as long as Dems are a hard no the wavering Republicans can stay a "no." This is a classic dilemma. I think last night McConnell asked Schumer to allow a majority vote. If Dems thought GOP couldn't get to 50 he would have allowed and have a super strong position. On January 20 2018 01:16 Logo wrote:
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If the Republicans are repeatedly ok with passing bills that only have like a 30% general approval rating (if that) then I don't think voter popularity is much of an excuse. Tax law is much more popular now but popularity is bad reason to do things by itself anyways. save us your preachy bullshit, nobody made you say the words. i’m not a mind reader, apologies if you were as hollow as your representatives and only said it to troll. i had expected more. Read your first response again about what I said "speaking volumes." What response did you expect when you make such an accusation? The current CR is "clean." What is "stopping the Democrats from passing the clean CR?" "Nothing, except they are fighting over something unrelated to government funding." See? That works both ways! In fact the federal employees who won't get paid as long as this lasts are in danger more than CHIP! Every state is still dolling out cash. Maybe one stste will run out before the end of Feb, I think. I'd love if we passed individual appro bills but that would also undercut the Democrats portion, so that won't happen. If memory serves 2013 the GOP passed smaller funding bills for things like parks that Obama shut down. Both sides know that A) chip is not in imminent danger and B) that giving in on one things could cause a cascade that undermines their position. I don’t understand why you continue to act like we all don’t follow politics or have zero idea how congress works. I see one side that is dysfunctional and another that is picking an unrelated fight then whining about it. If this was reversed and the GOP minority was demanding a change in, say, chain migration, you'd flip your lid. But there is just too much partisan drama, I don't know if I've gone to bat for the GOP quite this much in a while. You react to hypocrisy. "Just pass CHIP, don't tie it in!" "Just pass military and CHIP funding, don't tie in DACA!" (And they say Trump supporters are crazy. Lol) again, there’s only one party not down for passing clean CHIP. odd point to make as a conservative. if your argument is against making deals, well, i don’t know what to say to that. except i personally wouldn’t be comfortable holding certain things hostage. CHIP is on that level. for me DACA isn’t, so having this out here and now seems fairly appropriate. time to have the dealmaking talks, shitholes notwithstanding. There's only one party not down for passing clean CR. this is a lie.
Nope. The Democrats can vote with the Republicans right now to fund the government for another month. With CHIP.
Democrats are demanding immigration.
They could compromise on the clean CR this instant if they felt like it. The majority of Republicans are behind it 
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On January 20 2018 03:55 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 03:52 brian wrote:On January 20 2018 03:51 Danglars wrote:On January 20 2018 03:45 brian wrote:On January 20 2018 03:43 Danglars wrote:On January 20 2018 02:32 Introvert wrote:On January 20 2018 02:27 Plansix wrote:On January 20 2018 02:26 Introvert wrote:On January 20 2018 01:52 brian wrote:On January 20 2018 01:17 Introvert wrote:
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The expected response. Devoid of anyt critical thought. No, I don't think "children's health insurance" is a "carrot." The extra SIX YEARS is a carrot. As I said before they've been haggling about how to pay for it for months.
Also the GOP could prob get to 50, but as long as Dems are a hard no the wavering Republicans can stay a "no." This is a classic dilemma. I think last night McConnell asked Schumer to allow a majority vote. If Dems thought GOP couldn't get to 50 he would have allowed and have a super strong position.
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Tax law is much more popular now but popularity is bad reason to do things by itself anyways. save us your preachy bullshit, nobody made you say the words. i’m not a mind reader, apologies if you were as hollow as your representatives and only said it to troll. i had expected more. Read your first response again about what I said "speaking volumes." What response did you expect when you make such an accusation? The current CR is "clean." What is "stopping the Democrats from passing the clean CR?" "Nothing, except they are fighting over something unrelated to government funding." See? That works both ways! In fact the federal employees who won't get paid as long as this lasts are in danger more than CHIP! Every state is still dolling out cash. Maybe one stste will run out before the end of Feb, I think. I'd love if we passed individual appro bills but that would also undercut the Democrats portion, so that won't happen. If memory serves 2013 the GOP passed smaller funding bills for things like parks that Obama shut down. Both sides know that A) chip is not in imminent danger and B) that giving in on one things could cause a cascade that undermines their position. I don’t understand why you continue to act like we all don’t follow politics or have zero idea how congress works. I see one side that is dysfunctional and another that is picking an unrelated fight then whining about it. If this was reversed and the GOP minority was demanding a change in, say, chain migration, you'd flip your lid. But there is just too much partisan drama, I don't know if I've gone to bat for the GOP quite this much in a while. You react to hypocrisy. "Just pass CHIP, don't tie it in!" "Just pass military and CHIP funding, don't tie in DACA!" (And they say Trump supporters are crazy. Lol) https://twitter.com/elliosch/status/954404476751884289 again, there’s only one party not down for passing clean CHIP. odd point to make as a conservative. if your argument is against making deals, well, i don’t know what to say to that. except i personally wouldn’t be comfortable holding certain things hostage. CHIP is on that level. for me DACA isn’t, so having this out here and now seems fairly appropriate. time to have the dealmaking talks, shitholes notwithstanding. There's only one party not down for passing clean CR. this is a lie. Nope. The Democrats can vote with the Republicans right now to fund the government for another month. With CHIP. Democrats are demanding immigration. They could compromise on the clean CR this instant if they felt like it. The majority of Republicans are behind it
not to nit pick, but that’s not what clean means. and more than a handful of republicans are hard no’s on CR, so i’m still calling you a liar.
additionally, as mentioned, i think it’s perfectly fine to hold a CR hostage for DACA. the livelihood of the people already starting to be deported is more important than deferred paychecks. and in a perfect world we wouldn’t have to shut down the government for it, but here we are.
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On January 20 2018 03:55 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 03:52 brian wrote:On January 20 2018 03:51 Danglars wrote:On January 20 2018 03:45 brian wrote:On January 20 2018 03:43 Danglars wrote:On January 20 2018 02:32 Introvert wrote:On January 20 2018 02:27 Plansix wrote:On January 20 2018 02:26 Introvert wrote:On January 20 2018 01:52 brian wrote:On January 20 2018 01:17 Introvert wrote:
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The expected response. Devoid of anyt critical thought. No, I don't think "children's health insurance" is a "carrot." The extra SIX YEARS is a carrot. As I said before they've been haggling about how to pay for it for months.
Also the GOP could prob get to 50, but as long as Dems are a hard no the wavering Republicans can stay a "no." This is a classic dilemma. I think last night McConnell asked Schumer to allow a majority vote. If Dems thought GOP couldn't get to 50 he would have allowed and have a super strong position.
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Tax law is much more popular now but popularity is bad reason to do things by itself anyways. save us your preachy bullshit, nobody made you say the words. i’m not a mind reader, apologies if you were as hollow as your representatives and only said it to troll. i had expected more. Read your first response again about what I said "speaking volumes." What response did you expect when you make such an accusation? The current CR is "clean." What is "stopping the Democrats from passing the clean CR?" "Nothing, except they are fighting over something unrelated to government funding." See? That works both ways! In fact the federal employees who won't get paid as long as this lasts are in danger more than CHIP! Every state is still dolling out cash. Maybe one stste will run out before the end of Feb, I think. I'd love if we passed individual appro bills but that would also undercut the Democrats portion, so that won't happen. If memory serves 2013 the GOP passed smaller funding bills for things like parks that Obama shut down. Both sides know that A) chip is not in imminent danger and B) that giving in on one things could cause a cascade that undermines their position. I don’t understand why you continue to act like we all don’t follow politics or have zero idea how congress works. I see one side that is dysfunctional and another that is picking an unrelated fight then whining about it. If this was reversed and the GOP minority was demanding a change in, say, chain migration, you'd flip your lid. But there is just too much partisan drama, I don't know if I've gone to bat for the GOP quite this much in a while. You react to hypocrisy. "Just pass CHIP, don't tie it in!" "Just pass military and CHIP funding, don't tie in DACA!" (And they say Trump supporters are crazy. Lol) https://twitter.com/elliosch/status/954404476751884289 again, there’s only one party not down for passing clean CHIP. odd point to make as a conservative. if your argument is against making deals, well, i don’t know what to say to that. except i personally wouldn’t be comfortable holding certain things hostage. CHIP is on that level. for me DACA isn’t, so having this out here and now seems fairly appropriate. time to have the dealmaking talks, shitholes notwithstanding. There's only one party not down for passing clean CR. this is a lie. Nope. The Democrats can vote with the Republicans right now to fund the government for another month. With CHIP. Democrats are demanding immigration. They could compromise on the clean CR this instant if they felt like it. The majority of Republicans are behind it
The Republicans can’t whip their own party to all vote for the "clean" CR. In what world do you think the Democrats can force their members to vote for the "clean" CR? And the promises the republicans have offered are hollow because they screwed over Collins the last time they promised something that would come after a vote. They screw over their own party, why would the democrats trust them?
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I suspect in a few hours after Trump and Schumer finish the meeting and come out with a deal we are going to see some angry conservatives. There is going to be some massive caving going on so that Trump can claim to be a dealmaker and Republicans will have no choice but to vote for it otherwise the shutdown is 100% on them and there is no other way to spin it.
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On January 20 2018 03:59 Adreme wrote:
I suspect in a few hours after Trump and Schumer finish the meeting and come out with a deal we are going to see some angry conservatives. There is going to be some massive caving going on so that Trump can claim to be a dealmaker and Republicans will have no choice but to vote for it otherwise the shutdown is 100% on them and there is no other way to spin it.
Depends where Kelly is at the time. If Kelly is around, we get a deal. If Kelly is gone, we get some very angry Tweets.
Edit: I am curious how people predict Mitch holding up if this shutdown actually happens.
Poll: If the shutdown happens...Mitch keeps his job (5) 56% Turtle soup (4) 44% 9 total votes Your vote: If the shutdown happens... (Vote): Mitch keeps his job
(Vote): Turtle soup
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On January 20 2018 03:57 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 03:55 Danglars wrote:On January 20 2018 03:52 brian wrote:On January 20 2018 03:51 Danglars wrote:On January 20 2018 03:45 brian wrote:On January 20 2018 03:43 Danglars wrote:On January 20 2018 02:32 Introvert wrote:On January 20 2018 02:27 Plansix wrote:On January 20 2018 02:26 Introvert wrote:On January 20 2018 01:52 brian wrote:
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save us your preachy bullshit, nobody made you say the words. i’m not a mind reader, apologies if you were as hollow as your representatives and only said it to troll. i had expected more. Read your first response again about what I said "speaking volumes." What response did you expect when you make such an accusation? The current CR is "clean." What is "stopping the Democrats from passing the clean CR?" "Nothing, except they are fighting over something unrelated to government funding." See? That works both ways! In fact the federal employees who won't get paid as long as this lasts are in danger more than CHIP! Every state is still dolling out cash. Maybe one stste will run out before the end of Feb, I think. I'd love if we passed individual appro bills but that would also undercut the Democrats portion, so that won't happen. If memory serves 2013 the GOP passed smaller funding bills for things like parks that Obama shut down. Both sides know that A) chip is not in imminent danger and B) that giving in on one things could cause a cascade that undermines their position. I don’t understand why you continue to act like we all don’t follow politics or have zero idea how congress works. I see one side that is dysfunctional and another that is picking an unrelated fight then whining about it. If this was reversed and the GOP minority was demanding a change in, say, chain migration, you'd flip your lid. But there is just too much partisan drama, I don't know if I've gone to bat for the GOP quite this much in a while. You react to hypocrisy. "Just pass CHIP, don't tie it in!" "Just pass military and CHIP funding, don't tie in DACA!" (And they say Trump supporters are crazy. Lol) https://twitter.com/elliosch/status/954404476751884289 again, there’s only one party not down for passing clean CHIP. odd point to make as a conservative. if your argument is against making deals, well, i don’t know what to say to that. except i personally wouldn’t be comfortable holding certain things hostage. CHIP is on that level. for me DACA isn’t, so having this out here and now seems fairly appropriate. time to have the dealmaking talks, shitholes notwithstanding. There's only one party not down for passing clean CR. this is a lie. Nope. The Democrats can vote with the Republicans right now to fund the government for another month. With CHIP. Democrats are demanding immigration. They could compromise on the clean CR this instant if they felt like it. The majority of Republicans are behind it not to nit pick, but that’s not what clean means. and more than a handful of republicans are hard no’s on CR, so i’m still calling you a liar. additionally, as mentioned, i think it’s perfectly fine to hold a CR hostage for DACA. the livelihood of the people already starting to be deported is more important than deferred paychecks. and in a perfect world we wouldn’t have to shut down the government for it, but here we are.
Don't get me wrong, I do like that you came out and said you're willing to shut down the government over DACA. It's just that funding the government for a month is clean. And three senators in opposition among Republicans is very different than only needing to flip ~a dozen Democrats for passage. That's the party of government shutdown today.
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On January 20 2018 03:58 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 03:55 Danglars wrote:On January 20 2018 03:52 brian wrote:On January 20 2018 03:51 Danglars wrote:On January 20 2018 03:45 brian wrote:On January 20 2018 03:43 Danglars wrote:On January 20 2018 02:32 Introvert wrote:On January 20 2018 02:27 Plansix wrote:On January 20 2018 02:26 Introvert wrote:On January 20 2018 01:52 brian wrote:
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save us your preachy bullshit, nobody made you say the words. i’m not a mind reader, apologies if you were as hollow as your representatives and only said it to troll. i had expected more. Read your first response again about what I said "speaking volumes." What response did you expect when you make such an accusation? The current CR is "clean." What is "stopping the Democrats from passing the clean CR?" "Nothing, except they are fighting over something unrelated to government funding." See? That works both ways! In fact the federal employees who won't get paid as long as this lasts are in danger more than CHIP! Every state is still dolling out cash. Maybe one stste will run out before the end of Feb, I think. I'd love if we passed individual appro bills but that would also undercut the Democrats portion, so that won't happen. If memory serves 2013 the GOP passed smaller funding bills for things like parks that Obama shut down. Both sides know that A) chip is not in imminent danger and B) that giving in on one things could cause a cascade that undermines their position. I don’t understand why you continue to act like we all don’t follow politics or have zero idea how congress works. I see one side that is dysfunctional and another that is picking an unrelated fight then whining about it. If this was reversed and the GOP minority was demanding a change in, say, chain migration, you'd flip your lid. But there is just too much partisan drama, I don't know if I've gone to bat for the GOP quite this much in a while. You react to hypocrisy. "Just pass CHIP, don't tie it in!" "Just pass military and CHIP funding, don't tie in DACA!" (And they say Trump supporters are crazy. Lol) https://twitter.com/elliosch/status/954404476751884289 again, there’s only one party not down for passing clean CHIP. odd point to make as a conservative. if your argument is against making deals, well, i don’t know what to say to that. except i personally wouldn’t be comfortable holding certain things hostage. CHIP is on that level. for me DACA isn’t, so having this out here and now seems fairly appropriate. time to have the dealmaking talks, shitholes notwithstanding. There's only one party not down for passing clean CR. this is a lie. Nope. The Democrats can vote with the Republicans right now to fund the government for another month. With CHIP. Democrats are demanding immigration. They could compromise on the clean CR this instant if they felt like it. The majority of Republicans are behind it The Republicans can’t whip their own party to all vote for the "clean" CR. In what world do you think the Democrats can force their members to vote for the "clean" CR? And the promises the republicans have offered are hollow because they screwed over Collins the last time they promised something that would come after a vote. They screw over their own party, why would the democrats trust them?
Uhh all but three is pretty successful whipping. On what planet is "force their members to vote for the "clean" CR when less than half need to end up supporting it lol.
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On January 20 2018 04:07 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 03:58 Plansix wrote:On January 20 2018 03:55 Danglars wrote:On January 20 2018 03:52 brian wrote:On January 20 2018 03:51 Danglars wrote:On January 20 2018 03:45 brian wrote:On January 20 2018 03:43 Danglars wrote:On January 20 2018 02:32 Introvert wrote:On January 20 2018 02:27 Plansix wrote:On January 20 2018 02:26 Introvert wrote:
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Read your first response again about what I said "speaking volumes." What response did you expect when you make such an accusation?
The current CR is "clean." What is "stopping the Democrats from passing the clean CR?"
"Nothing, except they are fighting over something unrelated to government funding."
See? That works both ways! In fact the federal employees who won't get paid as long as this lasts are in danger more than CHIP! Every state is still dolling out cash. Maybe one stste will run out before the end of Feb, I think.
I'd love if we passed individual appro bills but that would also undercut the Democrats portion, so that won't happen. If memory serves 2013 the GOP passed smaller funding bills for things like parks that Obama shut down.
Both sides know that A) chip is not in imminent danger and B) that giving in on one things could cause a cascade that undermines their position.
I don’t understand why you continue to act like we all don’t follow politics or have zero idea how congress works. I see one side that is dysfunctional and another that is picking an unrelated fight then whining about it. If this was reversed and the GOP minority was demanding a change in, say, chain migration, you'd flip your lid. But there is just too much partisan drama, I don't know if I've gone to bat for the GOP quite this much in a while. You react to hypocrisy. "Just pass CHIP, don't tie it in!" "Just pass military and CHIP funding, don't tie in DACA!" (And they say Trump supporters are crazy. Lol) https://twitter.com/elliosch/status/954404476751884289 again, there’s only one party not down for passing clean CHIP. odd point to make as a conservative. if your argument is against making deals, well, i don’t know what to say to that. except i personally wouldn’t be comfortable holding certain things hostage. CHIP is on that level. for me DACA isn’t, so having this out here and now seems fairly appropriate. time to have the dealmaking talks, shitholes notwithstanding. There's only one party not down for passing clean CR. this is a lie. Nope. The Democrats can vote with the Republicans right now to fund the government for another month. With CHIP. Democrats are demanding immigration. They could compromise on the clean CR this instant if they felt like it. The majority of Republicans are behind it The Republicans can’t whip their own party to all vote for the "clean" CR. In what world do you think the Democrats can force their members to vote for the "clean" CR? And the promises the republicans have offered are hollow because they screwed over Collins the last time they promised something that would come after a vote. They screw over their own party, why would the democrats trust them? Uhh all but three is pretty successful whipping. On what planet is "force their members to vote for the "clean" CR when less than half need to end up supporting it lol.
I could 5, but I haven’t been following in the last few hours. And you assume that the there are Senate democrats that will vote for it. From most reports, they are all getting pressure from their voters to push DACA.
The simple way to handle is to put them all up for a non binding vote. But that won’t happen.
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On January 20 2018 04:02 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 03:59 Adreme wrote:
I suspect in a few hours after Trump and Schumer finish the meeting and come out with a deal we are going to see some angry conservatives. There is going to be some massive caving going on so that Trump can claim to be a dealmaker and Republicans will have no choice but to vote for it otherwise the shutdown is 100% on them and there is no other way to spin it. Depends where Kelly is at the time. If Kelly is around, we get a deal. If Kelly is gone, we get some very angry Tweets. Edit: I am curious how people predict Mitch holding up if this shutdown actually happens. Poll: If the shutdown happens...Mitch keeps his job (5) 56% Turtle soup (4) 44% 9 total votes Your vote: If the shutdown happens... (Vote): Mitch keeps his job
(Vote): Turtle soup
Kelly doesn't matter. Trump will literally give everything just to be the guy who made the deal. I'm saying the deal is something one sided like Dems get DACA and CHIP and Trump gets some more military money and maybe money to hire some boarder patrol agents (but no wall) just for a 2 month CR.
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On January 20 2018 04:12 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 04:02 Mohdoo wrote:On January 20 2018 03:59 Adreme wrote:
I suspect in a few hours after Trump and Schumer finish the meeting and come out with a deal we are going to see some angry conservatives. There is going to be some massive caving going on so that Trump can claim to be a dealmaker and Republicans will have no choice but to vote for it otherwise the shutdown is 100% on them and there is no other way to spin it. Depends where Kelly is at the time. If Kelly is around, we get a deal. If Kelly is gone, we get some very angry Tweets. Edit: I am curious how people predict Mitch holding up if this shutdown actually happens. Poll: If the shutdown happens...Mitch keeps his job (5) 56% Turtle soup (4) 44% 9 total votes Your vote: If the shutdown happens... (Vote): Mitch keeps his job
(Vote): Turtle soup
Kelly doesn't matter. Trump will literally give everything just to be the guy who made the deal. I'm saying the deal is something one sided like Dems get DACA and CHIP and Trump gets some more military money and maybe money to hire some boarder patrol agents (but no wall) just for a 2 month CR.
"I'll trade you some thinly veiled racism for the democrat's agenda" seems like a great deal to me.
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On January 20 2018 04:05 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 03:57 brian wrote:On January 20 2018 03:55 Danglars wrote:On January 20 2018 03:52 brian wrote:On January 20 2018 03:51 Danglars wrote:On January 20 2018 03:45 brian wrote:On January 20 2018 03:43 Danglars wrote:On January 20 2018 02:32 Introvert wrote:On January 20 2018 02:27 Plansix wrote:On January 20 2018 02:26 Introvert wrote:
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Read your first response again about what I said "speaking volumes." What response did you expect when you make such an accusation?
The current CR is "clean." What is "stopping the Democrats from passing the clean CR?"
"Nothing, except they are fighting over something unrelated to government funding."
See? That works both ways! In fact the federal employees who won't get paid as long as this lasts are in danger more than CHIP! Every state is still dolling out cash. Maybe one stste will run out before the end of Feb, I think.
I'd love if we passed individual appro bills but that would also undercut the Democrats portion, so that won't happen. If memory serves 2013 the GOP passed smaller funding bills for things like parks that Obama shut down.
Both sides know that A) chip is not in imminent danger and B) that giving in on one things could cause a cascade that undermines their position.
I don’t understand why you continue to act like we all don’t follow politics or have zero idea how congress works. I see one side that is dysfunctional and another that is picking an unrelated fight then whining about it. If this was reversed and the GOP minority was demanding a change in, say, chain migration, you'd flip your lid. But there is just too much partisan drama, I don't know if I've gone to bat for the GOP quite this much in a while. You react to hypocrisy. "Just pass CHIP, don't tie it in!" "Just pass military and CHIP funding, don't tie in DACA!" (And they say Trump supporters are crazy. Lol) https://twitter.com/elliosch/status/954404476751884289 again, there’s only one party not down for passing clean CHIP. odd point to make as a conservative. if your argument is against making deals, well, i don’t know what to say to that. except i personally wouldn’t be comfortable holding certain things hostage. CHIP is on that level. for me DACA isn’t, so having this out here and now seems fairly appropriate. time to have the dealmaking talks, shitholes notwithstanding. There's only one party not down for passing clean CR. this is a lie. Nope. The Democrats can vote with the Republicans right now to fund the government for another month. With CHIP. Democrats are demanding immigration. They could compromise on the clean CR this instant if they felt like it. The majority of Republicans are behind it not to nit pick, but that’s not what clean means. and more than a handful of republicans are hard no’s on CR, so i’m still calling you a liar. additionally, as mentioned, i think it’s perfectly fine to hold a CR hostage for DACA. the livelihood of the people already starting to be deported is more important than deferred paychecks. and in a perfect world we wouldn’t have to shut down the government for it, but here we are. Don't get me wrong, I do like that you came out and said you're willing to shut down the government over DACA. It's just that funding the government for a month is clean. And three senators in opposition among Republicans is very different than only needing to flip ~a dozen Democrats for passage. That's the party of government shutdown today.
odd math to put 12<3, but i get your meaning in that those 3 notwithstanding we still need some more support. all in all the lack of GOP support for a CR won’t kill the CR. but it’s enough to suggest maybe a CR isn’t enough here. at what point do you stop running the government on a month-to-month, legacy budget?
either way, we also need compromise this time around, and well, suffices to say the current GOP reps don’t know the meaning of the word. and you can say it’s the dems fault until you’re blue in the face but it won’t make it more real. the gop made the bed and now we’re gonna sleep in it together. a big happy family where we deport the undesirables and stop paying our military until someone brings rationality to the table.
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Any of you guys remember the kinda stuff our resident republicans were saying the last time the government shut down? Can't help but wonder what is so different this time.
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On January 20 2018 04:20 Mohdoo wrote:
Any of you guys remember the kinda stuff our resident republicans were saying the last time the government shut down? Can't help but wonder what is so different this time.
Schumer's got some gems:
You know, we could do the same thing on immigration. We believe strongly in immigration reform. We could say, ‘We’re shutting down the government, we’re not gonna raise the debt ceiling, until you pass immigration reform.’ It would be governmental chaos.
Life comes at you fast.
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On January 20 2018 04:26 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 04:20 Mohdoo wrote:
Any of you guys remember the kinda stuff our resident republicans were saying the last time the government shut down? Can't help but wonder what is so different this time. Schumer's got some gems: Show nested quote +You know, we could do the same thing on immigration. We believe strongly in immigration reform. We could say, ‘We’re shutting down the government, we’re not gonna raise the debt ceiling, until you pass immigration reform.’ It would be governmental chaos. Life comes at you fast.
Except that not asking for reform but to continue on as in years prior.
I know, its easy to forget it was Trump who blew up the DACA.
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On January 20 2018 04:26 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 04:20 Mohdoo wrote:
Any of you guys remember the kinda stuff our resident republicans were saying the last time the government shut down? Can't help but wonder what is so different this time. Schumer's got some gems: Show nested quote +You know, we could do the same thing on immigration. We believe strongly in immigration reform. We could say, ‘We’re shutting down the government, we’re not gonna raise the debt ceiling, until you pass immigration reform.’ It would be governmental chaos. Life comes at you fast.
and it’s your understanding that it’s the democrats that have failed to make the necessary progress on DACA here?
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On January 20 2018 04:26 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 04:20 Mohdoo wrote:
Any of you guys remember the kinda stuff our resident republicans were saying the last time the government shut down? Can't help but wonder what is so different this time. Schumer's got some gems: Show nested quote +You know, we could do the same thing on immigration. We believe strongly in immigration reform. We could say, ‘We’re shutting down the government, we’re not gonna raise the debt ceiling, until you pass immigration reform.’ It would be governmental chaos. Life comes at you fast.
I don't consider DACA immigration. If you've been here since you're a child, you are an American. Children should never be made to suffer for their parent's mistakes.
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On January 20 2018 03:55 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 03:52 brian wrote:On January 20 2018 03:51 Danglars wrote:On January 20 2018 03:45 brian wrote:On January 20 2018 03:43 Danglars wrote:On January 20 2018 02:32 Introvert wrote:On January 20 2018 02:27 Plansix wrote:On January 20 2018 02:26 Introvert wrote:On January 20 2018 01:52 brian wrote:On January 20 2018 01:17 Introvert wrote:
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The expected response. Devoid of anyt critical thought. No, I don't think "children's health insurance" is a "carrot." The extra SIX YEARS is a carrot. As I said before they've been haggling about how to pay for it for months.
Also the GOP could prob get to 50, but as long as Dems are a hard no the wavering Republicans can stay a "no." This is a classic dilemma. I think last night McConnell asked Schumer to allow a majority vote. If Dems thought GOP couldn't get to 50 he would have allowed and have a super strong position.
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Tax law is much more popular now but popularity is bad reason to do things by itself anyways. save us your preachy bullshit, nobody made you say the words. i’m not a mind reader, apologies if you were as hollow as your representatives and only said it to troll. i had expected more. Read your first response again about what I said "speaking volumes." What response did you expect when you make such an accusation? The current CR is "clean." What is "stopping the Democrats from passing the clean CR?" "Nothing, except they are fighting over something unrelated to government funding." See? That works both ways! In fact the federal employees who won't get paid as long as this lasts are in danger more than CHIP! Every state is still dolling out cash. Maybe one stste will run out before the end of Feb, I think. I'd love if we passed individual appro bills but that would also undercut the Democrats portion, so that won't happen. If memory serves 2013 the GOP passed smaller funding bills for things like parks that Obama shut down. Both sides know that A) chip is not in imminent danger and B) that giving in on one things could cause a cascade that undermines their position. I don’t understand why you continue to act like we all don’t follow politics or have zero idea how congress works. I see one side that is dysfunctional and another that is picking an unrelated fight then whining about it. If this was reversed and the GOP minority was demanding a change in, say, chain migration, you'd flip your lid. But there is just too much partisan drama, I don't know if I've gone to bat for the GOP quite this much in a while. You react to hypocrisy. "Just pass CHIP, don't tie it in!" "Just pass military and CHIP funding, don't tie in DACA!" (And they say Trump supporters are crazy. Lol) https://twitter.com/elliosch/status/954404476751884289 again, there’s only one party not down for passing clean CHIP. odd point to make as a conservative. if your argument is against making deals, well, i don’t know what to say to that. except i personally wouldn’t be comfortable holding certain things hostage. CHIP is on that level. for me DACA isn’t, so having this out here and now seems fairly appropriate. time to have the dealmaking talks, shitholes notwithstanding. There's only one party not down for passing clean CR. this is a lie. Nope. The Democrats can vote with the Republicans right now to fund the government for another month. With CHIP. Democrats are demanding immigration. They could compromise on the clean CR this instant if they felt like it. The majority of Republicans are behind it
Your ability to close your eyes and deny reality never ceases to amaze me.
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On January 20 2018 04:27 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 04:26 Danglars wrote:On January 20 2018 04:20 Mohdoo wrote:
Any of you guys remember the kinda stuff our resident republicans were saying the last time the government shut down? Can't help but wonder what is so different this time. Schumer's got some gems: You know, we could do the same thing on immigration. We believe strongly in immigration reform. We could say, ‘We’re shutting down the government, we’re not gonna raise the debt ceiling, until you pass immigration reform.’ It would be governmental chaos. Life comes at you fast. Except that not asking for reform but to continue on as in years prior. I know, its easy to forget it was Trump who blew up the DACA.
The executive branch does unilaterally what Congress rejected. New executive that ran on a tougher immigration stance rescinds. Now they're shutting down the government to pressure Congress to pass it. Yeah, Schumer might regret saying it now, but he has his shills to cover his ass.
On January 20 2018 04:30 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 04:26 Danglars wrote:On January 20 2018 04:20 Mohdoo wrote:
Any of you guys remember the kinda stuff our resident republicans were saying the last time the government shut down? Can't help but wonder what is so different this time. Schumer's got some gems: You know, we could do the same thing on immigration. We believe strongly in immigration reform. We could say, ‘We’re shutting down the government, we’re not gonna raise the debt ceiling, until you pass immigration reform.’ It would be governmental chaos. Life comes at you fast. I don't consider DACA immigration. If you've been here since you're a child, you are an American. Children should never be made to suffer for their parent's mistakes.
If you illegally immigrate to America, you're subject to immigration law.
On January 20 2018 04:28 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 04:26 Danglars wrote:On January 20 2018 04:20 Mohdoo wrote:
Any of you guys remember the kinda stuff our resident republicans were saying the last time the government shut down? Can't help but wonder what is so different this time. Schumer's got some gems: You know, we could do the same thing on immigration. We believe strongly in immigration reform. We could say, ‘We’re shutting down the government, we’re not gonna raise the debt ceiling, until you pass immigration reform.’ It would be governmental chaos. Life comes at you fast. and it’s your understanding that it’s the democrats that have failed to make the necessary progress on DACA here?
They're forthrightly trying to shuffle blame and refuse to fund the government unless Republicans pass DACA. They won't fund CHIP if no DACA. It's a bold political move, and I already said they have reason to think the Republicans will blink first.
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On January 20 2018 04:37 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 04:27 Gorsameth wrote:On January 20 2018 04:26 Danglars wrote:On January 20 2018 04:20 Mohdoo wrote:
Any of you guys remember the kinda stuff our resident republicans were saying the last time the government shut down? Can't help but wonder what is so different this time. Schumer's got some gems: You know, we could do the same thing on immigration. We believe strongly in immigration reform. We could say, ‘We’re shutting down the government, we’re not gonna raise the debt ceiling, until you pass immigration reform.’ It would be governmental chaos. Life comes at you fast. Except that not asking for reform but to continue on as in years prior. I know, its easy to forget it was Trump who blew up the DACA. The executive branch does unilaterally what Congress rejected. New executive that ran on a tougher immigration stance rescinds. Now they're shutting down the government to pressure Congress to pass it. Yeah, Schumer might regret saying it now, but he has his shills to cover his ass. Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 04:30 Mohdoo wrote:On January 20 2018 04:26 Danglars wrote:On January 20 2018 04:20 Mohdoo wrote:
Any of you guys remember the kinda stuff our resident republicans were saying the last time the government shut down? Can't help but wonder what is so different this time. Schumer's got some gems: You know, we could do the same thing on immigration. We believe strongly in immigration reform. We could say, ‘We’re shutting down the government, we’re not gonna raise the debt ceiling, until you pass immigration reform.’ It would be governmental chaos. Life comes at you fast. I don't consider DACA immigration. If you've been here since you're a child, you are an American. Children should never be made to suffer for their parent's mistakes. If you illegally immigrate to America, you're subject to immigration law.
In your eyes, what decisions did these children make? How much input did you have where your family lives? You haven't shown what responsibility these DACA kids have.
Describe the decisions they made.
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On January 20 2018 04:37 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 04:27 Gorsameth wrote:On January 20 2018 04:26 Danglars wrote:On January 20 2018 04:20 Mohdoo wrote:
Any of you guys remember the kinda stuff our resident republicans were saying the last time the government shut down? Can't help but wonder what is so different this time. Schumer's got some gems: You know, we could do the same thing on immigration. We believe strongly in immigration reform. We could say, ‘We’re shutting down the government, we’re not gonna raise the debt ceiling, until you pass immigration reform.’ It would be governmental chaos. Life comes at you fast. Except that not asking for reform but to continue on as in years prior. I know, its easy to forget it was Trump who blew up the DACA. The executive branch does unilaterally what Congress rejected. New executive that ran on a tougher immigration stance rescinds. Now they're shutting down the government to pressure Congress to pass it. Yeah, Schumer might regret saying it now, but he has his shills to cover his ass. Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 04:30 Mohdoo wrote:On January 20 2018 04:26 Danglars wrote:On January 20 2018 04:20 Mohdoo wrote:
Any of you guys remember the kinda stuff our resident republicans were saying the last time the government shut down? Can't help but wonder what is so different this time. Schumer's got some gems: You know, we could do the same thing on immigration. We believe strongly in immigration reform. We could say, ‘We’re shutting down the government, we’re not gonna raise the debt ceiling, until you pass immigration reform.’ It would be governmental chaos. Life comes at you fast. I don't consider DACA immigration. If you've been here since you're a child, you are an American. Children should never be made to suffer for their parent's mistakes. If you illegally immigrate to America, you're subject to immigration law. Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 04:28 brian wrote:On January 20 2018 04:26 Danglars wrote:On January 20 2018 04:20 Mohdoo wrote:
Any of you guys remember the kinda stuff our resident republicans were saying the last time the government shut down? Can't help but wonder what is so different this time. Schumer's got some gems: You know, we could do the same thing on immigration. We believe strongly in immigration reform. We could say, ‘We’re shutting down the government, we’re not gonna raise the debt ceiling, until you pass immigration reform.’ It would be governmental chaos. Life comes at you fast. and it’s your understanding that it’s the democrats that have failed to make the necessary progress on DACA here? They're forthrightly trying to shuffle blame and refuse to fund the government unless Republicans pass DACA. They won't fund CHIP if no DACA. It's a bold political move, and I already said they have reason to think the Republicans will blink first.
If a clean CHIP bill is put to a vote, do you really think Dems won't go for it?
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