EPTOn November 23 2017 07:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
he makes it sound like a recession is incoming due to cyclical nature of markets
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CorsairHero
Canada9489 Posts
he makes it sound like a recession is incoming due to cyclical nature of markets | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On November 23 2017 07:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/933447008181981185 By Trump standards, that doesn't even pass muster for taking credit for it. But I'm glad he took some time out of raging. | ||
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Plansix
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
one of those not all racists are nazis but all nazis are racist kinda thing | ||
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doomdonker
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This shouldn't be a left or right issue. If you're associating* yourself with people who wave around symbols associated with the Third Reich and have huge boners for the militaristic aspect of the Roman Empire, you're probably a piece of garbage that should have no place in modern politics. *Yes I'm aware he denies any association with neo-Nazi groups in Europe. His actions don't really support his excuse. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 23 2017 08:11 IyMoon wrote: is joe A. a nazi? I thought he was just a racist one of those not all racists are nazis but all nazis are racist kinda thing Joe would be very happy to round up undesirables for Patrotic Nationalist. | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
Another look at what should've been the last reported-on day of any Presidency. edit: Keith Olbermann is way too demure. You can only get so angry in a $50,000 suit. Those tweets are substantially less angry than the average Seattlite I hear talk politics on a daily basis. I'd be proud of my restrain (or perhaps ashamed) if those were the angriest comments I've made regarding the traitor-President. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States22696 Posts
On November 23 2017 06:36 Mohdoo wrote: Facebook is apparently going to inform users if they were duped by Russian propaganda. http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-will-let-some-users-see-the-russian-pages-they-interacted-with-2017-11 Some activists are going to be reallllly salty when they realize (and then deny) they were manipulated by an oligarchy. As you have been since this started, you're greatly overestimating the influence Russia had on "extremists" or making people "extremists". If a Russia propaganda outlet posts that 1+1=2 it doesn't mean everyone who agrees was manipulated into the extremist ideology of basic math. The examples given have been laughable and there's been an underlying effort to ignore the massive amount of automated users impact on impressions both directly related and just generally to their corporate metrics. I sincerely doubt there is going to be these salty activists who were tricked by Russia into opposition of pipelines or duped into calling out police/institutional violence/racism. I don't know why you keep trying to push this but it doesn't reflect well. | ||
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Plansix
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On November 23 2017 09:15 Plansix wrote: They were not tricked into anything but thinking less of their fellow Americans and feeding a culture war. You're right of course. I think I found another one of these undercover Russian agents: I hear she sold uranium to them too! | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 23 2017 09:24 a_flayer wrote: You're right of course. I think I found another one of these undercover Russian agents: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZHp4JLWjNw I hear she sold uranium to them too! Lucky I read and know that story is a pile of bullshit. Sadly Fox News has been peddling it. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States22696 Posts
On November 23 2017 09:15 Plansix wrote: They were not tricked into anything but thinking less of their fellow Americans and feeding a culture war. Russia isn't tricking us into fights, we are already fighting them. Russia wants to make sure we never getting past them. Every time we inch closer to some common ground on a topic, they will do everything to convince Americans that they need to get back in their corners. You're talking about something slightly different than mohdoo is. But to be clear, could you provide an example of what you're talking about? | ||
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Myrddraal
Australia937 Posts
On November 22 2017 15:54 KwarK wrote: You need to read it again. They didn't know each other for 7 hours. They literally just met. The 7 hours was how much drinking they did before they met. They've never seen in each in a non trashed context, their sober selves are total strangers. Right, my bad, though the hypothetical did state they had met up earlier in the night and talked but that's not really important. The point is, if you think that someone who has sex with someone who has been drinking for 7 hours is automatically a shit person, your morals are fucked up and wrong and you should reconsider your position. Sex is just sex, if people want to go out, get drunk and have sex with strangers they shouldn't be shamed for that, obviously it's risky, but as long as they both appear to be voluntarily consenting there should be no issue. If one person regrets it the next day that should not allow them to potentially ruin the other's life. If your definition of rape includes people who are in a relationship and by all appearances consenting, even if they can't legally consent, and you feel justified telling people to stop raping each other based on that, your position is fucked up and you should reconsider it. I'm not denying that legally that may be the case, but there's a huge difference between what other posters are saying, that that situation is technically rape by law, and what you are saying, that it's morally wrong. Don't get me wrong, I understand why you would fight for your position considering how many legitimate and underreported cases of rape there are. I don't doubt there would be a lot less if everyone thought the same way as you, but people should be free to make their own choices, that don't harm anyone else, without being labeled as shit people and rapists. To put this into perspective, according to your definition I was raped the first time I had sex, I was drunk (too drunk too legally consent), she was sober and it was her idea. Legally that is the case, and I won't deny that we both made a questionable choice, but I would consider myself a far, far worse person than her, if I had decided the next day to press charges for rape and potentially ruin her life. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 23 2017 09:41 GreenHorizons wrote: You're talking about something slightly different than mohdoo is. But to be clear, could you provide an example of what you're talking about? http://thehill.com/policy/technology/358025-thousands-attended-protest-organized-by-russians-on-facebook Thousands attended protest organized by Russians on Facebook Thousands of Americans attended a march last November organized by a Russian group that used social media to interfere in the 2016 election. The demonstration in New York City, which took place a few days after the election, appears to be the largest and most successful known effort to date pulled off by Russian-linked groups intent on using social media platforms to influence American politics. Sixteen thousand Facebook users said that they planned to attend a Trump protest on Nov. 12, 2016, organized by the Facebook page for BlackMattersUS, a Russian-linked group that sought to capitalize on racial tensions between black and white Americans. The event was shared with 61,000 users. As many as 5,000 to 10,000 protesters actually convened at Manhattan's Union Square. They then marched to Trump Tower, according to media reports at the time. The BlackMattersUS-organized rally took advantage of outrage among groups on the left following President Trump’s victory on Nov. 8 to galvanize support for its event. The group’s protest was the fourth consecutive anti-Trump rally in New York following election night, and one of many across the country. “Join us in the streets! Stop Trump and his bigoted agenda!” reads the Facebook event page for the rally. “Divided is the reason we just fell. We must unite despite our differences to stop HATE from ruling the land.” While the focus has been on Russian efforts ahead of the election, the BlackMatters rally days after Trump's victory shows that Russian-linked social media influence efforts continued after the election. The BlackMatters organizing group was connected to the Internet Research Agency, a Russian “troll farm” with ties to the Kremlin, according to a recent investigation by the Russian Magazine RBC. Facebook has identified the Internet Research Agency as the group responsible for purchasing 3,000 political ads on Facebook’s platform and operating 470 accounts that appear to have attempted to influence the perspectives of Americans during the 2016 elections. Facebook has since deleted those 470 accounts. BlackMatters's account has been deleted as well, although Facebook has not officially confirmed the reason for BlackMatters being deleted from its site. Twitter also appears to have deleted an account associated with the group, possibly in its own purge of accounts linked to Russian actors. “This is another example of why it’s important to disclose who is paying for promoted posts on Facebook,” said Katherine Haenschen, a professor who researches digital media at Virginia Tech. The march is an example of the types of “organic content” — posts created by users, rather than as ads — that lawmakers are looking for as they investigate the extent of Russian political manipulation of social media platforms. But Haenschen believes Facebook’s paid features might have helped the event go viral. “It also speaks to the challenges of organic reach. It’s unlikely that this audience is free or organic,” Haenschen said, referring to BlackMatters's Facebook reach which included over 99,000 users who liked the page, according to an archived version of the page from May 16, 2017. Facebook recently announced that it would introduce new transparency features, including making users who run election ads verify their identities with the company. Haenschen says that this isn’t enough. She argues that this type of event that isn’t explicitly about elections could fall through the cracks, and says that Facebook should be aware of all users using the platform’s paid features. For its part, Facebook says that it's trying to make sure that such content stays off its platform. "The foreign interference we saw is reprehensible and outrageous and opened a new battleground for our company, our industry and our society," says Facebook General Counsel Colin Stretch in testimony he is set to deliver to the Senate Intelligence Committee on Wednesday. "That foreign actors, hiding behind fake accounts, abused our platform and other internet services to try to sow division and discord — and to try to undermine our election process — is an assault on democracy, and it violates all of our values." Top Democrats in the House and Senate Intelligence committees, Sen. Mark Warner (Va.) and Rep. Adam Schiff (Calif.), have both said that such organic posts tied to paid content will reveal the true scale of the Kremlin’s alleged social media campaign. According to numbers in Facebook’s general counsel’s leaked congressional testimony, the number of people potentially touched by organic content eclipses the potential number reached by ads by hundreds of millions. They are using platforms to hijack real movements and create protests with no real goal or agenda. And real people attended and believed they were protesting with some purpose or end goal. But the reality is that its a Russian troll and all they wanted was black people in Time Square protesting Trump so they could post it on their "Fuck Black People Who Take a Knee" account and post that in North Carolina. They are hijacking the basic mechanics of political engagement and rending them powerless. And we didn't even know if was happening until a year later. | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On November 23 2017 09:28 Plansix wrote: Lucky I read and know that story is a pile of bullshit. Sadly Fox News has been peddling it. Yeah, and so do I. But that's kind of the point. It's Fox News that is peddling the bullshit. But it is also MSNBC and people like Keith Olbermann who are using language that is basically just as divisive as that of the Russians. Rachel Maddow with her overly dramatic presentations on everything Trump, etc. I also think that by far biggest way in which the trolls from Olgino have an impact on western society is when western news organizations report on their hyperbolic tweets, thereby lifting them out of the masses and giving them credibility. We saw that Russian Blacktivist account with about 100k followers, right? How did they get those followers? I imagine it was probably picked up and reported on by some genuine organization. I'm not trying to excuse the Russian trolls. I'm absolutely positive they exist, and I think it's a horrible thing to employ botnets and low-wage workers to peddle influence on social media like that. Even moreso if it is meant to be divisive or even attempting to silence criticism of war like the Saudis are apparently doing. It's fucked up. But when I see conservative Twitter accounts full of Trump retweets and references to stories like Uranium One, Seth Rich, etc, I don't see a Russian bot account at all. I see a Bannon-paid troll account, or perhaps a Mercer-paid troll account. I mean, Twitter and Facebook say they're deleting the Russian-tied accounts, etc, but all this crap is still going on strong. You can look through replies to Trumps tweets and pick them out pretty easily. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
Two more women have told HuffPost that Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) touched their butts in separate incidents. These are the third and fourth such allegations against Franken in the past week. Leeann Tweeden, a radio host, wrote last week that Franken had kissed and groped her without her consent during a 2006 USO tour. On Monday, Lindsay Menz accused Franken of groping her at the Minnesota State Fair in 2010. The two additional women, who said they were not familiar with each others’ stories, both spoke on condition of anonymity. But their stories, which describe events during Franken’s first campaign for the Senate, are remarkably similar — and both women have been telling them privately for years. In a statement to HuffPost, Franken said, “It’s difficult to respond to anonymous accusers, and I don’t remember those campaign events.” The first woman, who spoke to HuffPost on condition of anonymity because she’s worried she’ll be harassed online for making the allegation, said Franken groped her when they posed for a photo after a June 25, 2007, event hosted by the Minnesota Women’s Political Caucus in Minneapolis. “My story is eerily similar to Lindsay Menz’s story,” the first woman said. “He grabbed my buttocks during a photo op.” The second woman told HuffPost that Franken cupped her butt with his hand at a 2008 Democratic fundraiser in Minneapolis, then suggested the two visit the bathroom together. She spoke on condition of anonymity out of fear that the allegation could affect her position at work. HuffPo Whoever had money that Franken had groped or otherwise sexually assaulted others, I think you're getting paid soon. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On November 23 2017 10:43 Danglars wrote: HuffPo Whoever had money that Franken had groped or otherwise sexually assaulted others, I think you're getting paid soon. Are there people out there who don't randomly grope or harass women? Jesus | ||
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