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On October 04 2017 13:12 Wegandi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2017 13:10 KwarK wrote:On October 04 2017 13:06 Wegandi wrote:On October 04 2017 13:04 KwarK wrote:
Have you been to England Wegandi? I'm ready for whatever non-sequitur you'll unfurl. I may not respond depending on how I feel. It's not actually poorer than Mississippi. You just read that it was. Feel free to write why you think GDP PPP / GVA is a bad economic indicator. (Most EU countries would be in the bottom 15 percentile of economic PPP compared to US states - those wonderfully socially democratic utopias)
In this instance it is shamelessly chosen to get the result he wants so there's that. But
1) Hugely dependent upon currency fluctuations. They're using dollar equivalent which has changed from over two dollars to the pound to $1.30. Their analysis, if done a decade ago and repeated today, would conclude that Britain has lost 40% of its wealth. The reality experienced by people living there obviously doesn't not support that conclusion.
2) They're using mean for their base before modifying it by PP, not median. Mean is the bad one for real comparisons because it skews for outliers. You're attempting to draw conclusions about the wealth per capita, use median.
3) The minimum wage when I was in college was over $14/hour with high employment. A reasonable person would not conclude this was more impoverished than a state with a $7 minimum wage and higher unemployment.
4) The study fails to properly account for the value of the socialized services.
5) The study fails to properly account for the value of homes. The average house in the UK costs over $300k, even at the extremely low current exchange rate. Any homeowner in the UK has a higher net worth than his fellow homeowner in MS.
The author is playing a game of "check out this surprising statistic which doesn't sound true". But instead of it being an impartial statistic, such as Cleopatra being closer to the present day than to the great pyramids, it's a statistic that he manufactured. It's surprising because he manufactured it in a way that makes it surprising. Like if I were to say the most common name is Mohammed Lee and you didn't know anyone with that name.
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Also anyone who has actually been to England would know if was false, hence me starting with that.
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GDP per capita adjusted for ppp doesn't account for socialized services but it wouldn't make sense to do so. That's a matter of preference over how you distribute the created wealth. Most of those points are supporting the argument thst "while MS gdp per capita is higher than the UK, it's still preferable to live in the UK if you're a citizen near the median". None of them really make a dent in Wegandi's original point. The US creates more wealth per capita than Europe.
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On October 04 2017 12:25 Wegandi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2017 08:50 Broetchenholer wrote:On October 04 2017 08:34 RealityIsKing wrote:Okay I wasn't sure whether for more gun control or not before but this chart tells me something ![[image loading]](https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-340ee0b240c4612d7c016677bedac23b) If you want to go by deaths by firearm per 100k people, just put up the stats of european countries next to those of the US. The amazing thing you will see is that 1) Pretty much every country had more violent crime in the 80s and 90s and the crime rate is since then steadily declining. It's a global trend, the world has become more safe. 2) The gun violence crime rate is much smaller in european countries. But i know, the US are totally different and can't be compared. Your crime is down and only due to a lack of gun control. Comparing between countries is not the smartest idea. There are a million different variables. If you want a better comparison how about between the states here? In fact, most of the recent data show no correlation or negligible at best: https://mises.org/blog/theres-no-correlation-between-gun-ownership-mass-shootings-and-murder-rates
Uhm. Correct me if i am wrong, but the difference between the states is whether you are allowed to shoot a trespasser or not and whether you are allowed to carry your gun in public as well as some smaller differences. As far as i know, there is no difference in the state laws regarding possession of guns. Now you might not be able to buy an AR-15 in every state, but you are allowed to simly drive to your neighboring state, buy it there and drive back to your homestate with no border controls to enforce the rules of your homestate.
How are you expecting to see a difference between states if everybody regardless of state has the same opportunity to buy guns legally?
I am not arguing against concealed carry licenses, i am arguing against having 300 million firearms with ammunition in public households. The difference between the USA and Canada, UK, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Australia, the norwegian countries, the Neterlands, Belgium, Japan and South Korea is the gun ownership. But of course the USA are magically different from all of them.
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On October 04 2017 11:00 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2017 09:33 Mohdoo wrote:
This whole Puerto Rico ordeal is such a great example of GOP perspectives on struggling brown people being "Well, have you tried being less shitty? I'll give you a little help, but I am just so bothered by how shitty you are" The more it’s generalized from Trump to the GOP, the more Republicans learn it’s not about they’re ability/inability to criticize Trump—it’s actually a critique of them.
Gallop puts Trumps approval rating among Republicans from Sept 25 to Oct 1st at 80%.
When Republicans support the President that much, yes a critique on him is a critique on them.
If they didn't want that then they should considering not supporting such a shit President.
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On October 04 2017 13:12 Wegandi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2017 13:10 KwarK wrote:On October 04 2017 13:06 Wegandi wrote:On October 04 2017 13:04 KwarK wrote:
Have you been to England Wegandi? I'm ready for whatever non-sequitur you'll unfurl. I may not respond depending on how I feel. It's not actually poorer than Mississippi. You just read that it was. Feel free to write why you think GDP PPP / GVA is a bad economic indicator. (Most EU countries would be in the bottom 15 percentile of economic PPP compared to US states - those wonderfully socially democratic utopias)
Using GDP as a measure of wellbeing or standard of living in 2017..
E: to be clear. I see you writing economic, but I assume you actually mean economic as an indicator of wealth and thus standard of living. Hence my criticism.
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On October 04 2017 17:05 warding wrote:
GDP per capita adjusted for ppp doesn't account for socialized services but it wouldn't make sense to do so. That's a matter of preference over how you distribute the created wealth. Most of those points are supporting the argument thst "while MS gdp per capita is higher than the UK, it's still preferable to live in the UK if you're a citizen near the median". None of them really make a dent in Wegandi's original point. The US creates more wealth per capita than Europe.
If I sell someone a pint of blood is the US then I've performed $5,000 of medical services. It's hard for the U.K. to match that kind of fraudulent value creation.
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Corruption in plain sight. Just think of all the amazing stuff the FBI can find now, because there is now way the Trump Org cleaned up its act.
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On October 04 2017 21:49 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2017 17:05 warding wrote:
GDP per capita adjusted for ppp doesn't account for socialized services but it wouldn't make sense to do so. That's a matter of preference over how you distribute the created wealth. Most of those points are supporting the argument thst "while MS gdp per capita is higher than the UK, it's still preferable to live in the UK if you're a citizen near the median". None of them really make a dent in Wegandi's original point. The US creates more wealth per capita than Europe. If I sell someone a pint of blood is the US then I've performed $5,000 of medical services. It's hard for the U.K. to match that kind of fraudulent value creation.
I did blood work not to long ago, my insurance is suppose to cover it all. I think the total was $150 or so. A couple months ago, I got a letter saying I still owed $120 from the Doctor themselves, then their lawyers mailed... I was like what? So I told my insurance to cover that, then got their lawyers involved to help me over $120.
The whole thing is a huge scam, most medical centers don't care about your health at this point. All they care about is saving or taking money.
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On October 04 2017 13:00 ChristianS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2017 12:53 Danglars wrote:On October 04 2017 11:38 Mohdoo wrote:On October 04 2017 11:00 Danglars wrote:On October 04 2017 09:33 Mohdoo wrote:
This whole Puerto Rico ordeal is such a great example of GOP perspectives on struggling brown people being "Well, have you tried being less shitty? I'll give you a little help, but I am just so bothered by how shitty you are" The more it’s generalized from Trump to the GOP, the more Republicans learn it’s not about they’re ability/inability to criticize Trump—it’s actually a critique of them. The issues with black America have been brought up by both you and xdaunt during discussions of inequality. If I'm remembering you wrong, forgive me. But I am positive I've heard it out of mr daunt I say it as a a reminder when people forget these charges are leveled at Republicans/conservatives instead of just at Trump. It’s not Trump you accused of telling brown people to be less shitty, it’s GOP perspectives. So when we recognize the content and inaccuracy of the critique, we’re reminded that it’s really not about Trump so much, it’s just blanket attacks on GOP members and how they think. Don’t come crying to me after you go through these efforts to push everybody in the corner with Trump and then want to bring them over to your coalition. I don't think any Dems are losing too much sleep over bringing you or xDaunt into their coalition. Honestly, the whole line of "you should think about this if you want to convince people" doesn't make sense to me anyway. This is a politics thread, none of us are political operatives for the DNC or RNC (to my knowledge, anyway). I've never felt it was my job to convince you of anything, Danglars, and I sincerely hope you've not wasted too much effort to convert me to... whatever your allegiance is these days (is anti-anti-Trumper still a fair label?).
It's about people here who think those from the right don't criticize as freely or take enough responsibility for Trump. Next breath: GOP hates brown people. So, let me get this straight. You've called us racists and that we hate minorities for how long now? And now you're telling us not to be irresponsible with voicing opposition via Presidential selection when you've taken not one iota of responsibility with your rhetoric? You're going to do the same exact bullshit anyways, might as well give you something to cry about for real this time.
In the long term, healing the division is an important topic. It won't happen when one side goes "What division?" every time they win an election by being hyperpartisans.
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On October 04 2017 14:29 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
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Video says for being on the highway. They closed highway 40.
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/hrli6jk.jpg)
I'm sure more details will come out.
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If they are going to do that, doing it at night likely the best time. Not rush hour, fewer cars, few people are going to work.
Edit: I like how the police arrested the reporters too, because that is a super hard thing to figure out.
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They are still in Police Custody.
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On October 04 2017 21:57 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2017 21:49 KwarK wrote:On October 04 2017 17:05 warding wrote:
GDP per capita adjusted for ppp doesn't account for socialized services but it wouldn't make sense to do so. That's a matter of preference over how you distribute the created wealth. Most of those points are supporting the argument thst "while MS gdp per capita is higher than the UK, it's still preferable to live in the UK if you're a citizen near the median". None of them really make a dent in Wegandi's original point. The US creates more wealth per capita than Europe. If I sell someone a pint of blood is the US then I've performed $5,000 of medical services. It's hard for the U.K. to match that kind of fraudulent value creation. I did blood work not to long ago, my insurance is suppose to cover it all. I think the total was $150 or so. A couple months ago, I got a letter saying I still owed $120 from the Doctor themselves, then their lawyers mailed... I was like what? So I told my insurance to cover that, then got their lawyers involved to help me over $120. The whole thing is a huge scam, most medical centers don't care about your health at this point. All they care about is saving or taking money.
When you have one hospital visit and you get 8 different bills from different departments and you have no idea what anything costs upfront you know its a scam 
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On October 04 2017 22:14 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2017 13:00 ChristianS wrote:On October 04 2017 12:53 Danglars wrote:On October 04 2017 11:38 Mohdoo wrote:On October 04 2017 11:00 Danglars wrote:On October 04 2017 09:33 Mohdoo wrote:
This whole Puerto Rico ordeal is such a great example of GOP perspectives on struggling brown people being "Well, have you tried being less shitty? I'll give you a little help, but I am just so bothered by how shitty you are" The more it’s generalized from Trump to the GOP, the more Republicans learn it’s not about they’re ability/inability to criticize Trump—it’s actually a critique of them. The issues with black America have been brought up by both you and xdaunt during discussions of inequality. If I'm remembering you wrong, forgive me. But I am positive I've heard it out of mr daunt I say it as a a reminder when people forget these charges are leveled at Republicans/conservatives instead of just at Trump. It’s not Trump you accused of telling brown people to be less shitty, it’s GOP perspectives. So when we recognize the content and inaccuracy of the critique, we’re reminded that it’s really not about Trump so much, it’s just blanket attacks on GOP members and how they think. Don’t come crying to me after you go through these efforts to push everybody in the corner with Trump and then want to bring them over to your coalition. I don't think any Dems are losing too much sleep over bringing you or xDaunt into their coalition. Honestly, the whole line of "you should think about this if you want to convince people" doesn't make sense to me anyway. This is a politics thread, none of us are political operatives for the DNC or RNC (to my knowledge, anyway). I've never felt it was my job to convince you of anything, Danglars, and I sincerely hope you've not wasted too much effort to convert me to... whatever your allegiance is these days (is anti-anti-Trumper still a fair label?). It's about people here who think those from the right don't criticize as freely or take enough responsibility for Trump. Next breath: GOP hates brown people. So, let me get this straight. You've called us racists and that we hate minorities for how long now? And now you're telling us not to be irresponsible with voicing opposition via Presidential selection when you've taken not one iota of responsibility with your rhetoric? You're going to do the same exact bullshit anyways, might as well give you something to cry about for real this time. In the long term, healing the division is an important topic. It won't happen when one side goes "What division?" every time they win an election by being hyperpartisans.
Again 80% of Republicans support the job Trump is doing as per the latest Gallop poll from last week.
So yes people are going to blame Republicans for the shit Trump is doing when 80% of them support him doing it.
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I’m confused, does the Trump administration not believe in bankruptcy? Trump did it a whole bunch of times, but its not good enough for an island that has 100% if its infrastructure destroyed?
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Trump's bullshit notwithstanding, bankruptcy law is pretty sketchy when entities as large as PR are concerned and you can see that on display via the mess that is PROMESA and its legislative history. They absolutely need some kind of reorganization relief, but man is it gonna be messy while making Detroit look like small fries.
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What is meant to be the alternative to bankruptcy here? They can't pay and they can't refinance.
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There is no alternative, everything else is just hand-wringing kick the can down the road bullshit.
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