|
Read the rules in the OP before posting, please.In order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a re-read to refresh your memory! The vast majority of you are contributing in a healthy way, keep it up! NOTE: When providing a source, explain why you feel it is relevant and what purpose it adds to the discussion if it's not obvious. Also take note that unsubstantiated tweets/posts meant only to rekindle old arguments can result in a mod action. |
On September 01 2017 22:06 brian wrote:
good for that nurse, i hope he gets his due. takes some real courage to get arrested just because some cop is trying to flex the rules. i don't know if i'd have the same level of dedication, i'd probably offer to show up at trial to discredit the evidence instead.
color me skeptical that he 'gets his due'.
US police has a deep history of protecting their own regardless of merit or situation.
|
"Over blood dispute" sounds like she did something wrong while she was just doing her duty to keep her patient safe...
|
On September 01 2017 22:19 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2017 22:06 brian wrote:
good for that nurse, i hope he gets his due. takes some real courage to get arrested just because some cop is trying to flex the rules. i don't know if i'd have the same level of dedication, i'd probably offer to show up at trial to discredit the evidence instead. color me skeptical that he 'gets his due'. US police has a deep history of protecting their own regardless of merit or situation.
Plus she's not pressing charges.
|
There tends to be more racism around when the economy isn't doing well. It's obviously not what Trump meant though.
|
On September 01 2017 21:56 mahrgell wrote:
To me this feels more like, people suddenly defend the idea out of association, just again showing the ever increasing polarization.
SoSexy suggesting that "lefties" want to destroy Columbus, and suddenly even people who never before felt like Columbus should be removed, defend the idea, simply to oppose SoSexy and stand up for "their side".
Same as with Trump spouting the most absurd bullshit and people who were still sane few years ago suddenly defending this crap, just because they have to show their affiliation with that side, because they still prefer it over the other one.
And both sides do their absolute best to wipe out any centrists and forcing total loyality to ever increasing more extreme and absurd positions across all topics. Because you are either with us, or you are the enemy!
LA city council recently replaced (2 days ago) Columbus Day with Indigenous Peoples Day. Replacing one with another instead of adding a holiday to celebrate different aspects of America illuminates the political drive behind these things. Understand Columbus, celebrate his accomplishments, and learn about the simultaneous wickedness. He isn't a saint even if he's a great man in history.
|
California can celebrate whatever it wants. The obsessions with celebrating Columbus has always been a mystery to me. There are so many other explores in US history, but we celebrate the one who was also a tyrant.
|
Two holidays? Are you crazy? You wouldn't want Americans work less than 250 days a year now, would you?
|
I'd like to just ditch columbus day entirely; it doesn't need to be a day; nobody really celebrates it. I'd like to ditch all holidays that nobody actually celebrates.
|
On September 01 2017 22:24 Plansix wrote:
California can celebrate whatever it wants. The obsessions with celebrating Columbus has always been a mystery to me. There are so many other explores in US history, but we celebrate the one who was also a tyrant.
The only reason why Columbus was picked out of all those great explorers in US history must be because he was also a tyrant right? There is absolutely nothing about Columbus that makes him stand out!
Seriously, if it is a mystery to you why Columbus is usually the one picked out, you are only Trumpifying yourself more and more in the other corner.
And you should probably should stop doing all those posts about what is wrong with the US political divide. Because even though you often mention correct points, you are in no way better than those you criticize.
|
On September 01 2017 22:07 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2017 22:06 brian wrote:
good for that nurse, i hope he gets his due. takes some real courage to get arrested just because some cop is trying to flex the rules. i don't know if i'd have the same level of dedication, i'd probably offer to show up at trial to discredit the evidence instead. Isn't unlawful acquired evidence not permitted on trial anyway? Granted, my knowledge is very thin there and mostly comes from "law and order", but still. I faintly remember that unlawful acquired evidence, at least sometimes, is not usable in trial. Show nested quote +"I think if we continue to create jobs at levels that I'm creating jobs, I think that's going to have a tremendously positive impact on race relations. Considering that so far he barely created jobs, that's an interesting statement.
For criminal I think so, however my understanding is that the truck driver was a bystander in the chase. One reason put out for trying to get the blood was that Utah has laws that put liability on the police for injured bystanders in a car chase. Finding any drugs or alcohol in the trucker's blood would give some defense towards the upcoming lawsuit from the trucker or his family. And if the police had a nurse comply and give it to them, the blame would fall on the nurse.
|
On September 01 2017 22:29 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2017 22:24 Plansix wrote:
California can celebrate whatever it wants. The obsessions with celebrating Columbus has always been a mystery to me. There are so many other explores in US history, but we celebrate the one who was also a tyrant. The only reason why Columbus was picked out of all those great explorers in US history must be because he was also a tyrant right? There is absolutely nothing about Columbus that makes him stand out! Seriously, if it is a mystery to you why Columbus is usually the one picked out, you are only Trumpifying yourself more and more in the other corner. And you should probably should stop doing all those posts about what is wrong with the US political divide. Because even though you often mention correct points, you are in no way better than those you criticize.
What historical figures nations and governments decide to celebrate is an entire history topic all on its own. It isn’t a meritocracy. Debating who should be celebrated and who shouldn’t isn’t rewriting history and shouldn’t be treated that way. The celebration with Columbus has always seemed to be more about momentum and mythology, rather than history. We have people in this thread still parroting the myth that he debunked the flat earth theory.
|
United States44171 Posts
On September 01 2017 17:40 SoSexy wrote:
Why are people in the US destroying statues of Columbus?? I do not like the direction things are going - it is part of history. People simply cannot destroy what they don't like because it is associated with 'violence' (which was the standard of the time). If we go by that same logic, monumental history will not exist anymore: I would like to ask those people what do they think of the Colosseum - should it be destroyed because it hosted ferocious battles where thousands of men and animals died?
Columbus is a weird historical figure. Everyone told him how big the world was and how far away India was if you go West but he believed that the world was shaped like a pear and so if you went around near the top it wouldn't be so far. Then he found some Caribbean islands and just genocided a whole bunch of people on the islands for no fucking reason. He wasn't particularly important until the Italian-American community, which faced a lot of anti-Catholic and anti southern European racism in 19th C America, decided to make him a folk American hero.
Nobody is saying that we should forget he existed, but he's not really a great historical figure. Celebrating him is dumb, both because he was pretty fucking dumb and because it's a dick move to all the victims of his genocide.
As for the Colosseum, it'd be pretty hard to move it into a museum so it could be shown in the appropriate historical context. Instead we have to bring the cultural context to the Colosseum and make it clear that forcing people to fight for sport is wrong. The problem with doing that for Columbus is that when you're erecting statues of him and naming holidays after him it's a little hard to remind people that you don't think he should be emulated and that he was basically an evil figure.
|
United States44171 Posts
On September 01 2017 19:49 PM_ME_NICE_PUPPERS wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2017 19:41 Aquanim wrote:On September 01 2017 19:35 Biff The Understudy wrote:...
Columbus is not the symbol of native american genocide... What does he symbolise that's worth putting statues up to? Are you kidding me? The "discovery" of the USA? Dealing a solid blow to the flat-earth-myth? Doing like for or five transatlantic voyages during a time where even one was perilous and basically unheard of? But good job shitting on the people who shaped the world. I'm sure the average Women's Studies or African American Studies major whose only contribution is attacking better men is going to have a similar impact.
There was no flat earth myth. Everyone knew the earth was round except Columbus who came up with the pear earth myth, and thought that finding "India" where he found it proved it.
|
I think we know what Trump's argument will be if Mueller comes knocking. "Rigged"
|
United States44171 Posts
On September 01 2017 22:29 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2017 22:24 Plansix wrote:
California can celebrate whatever it wants. The obsessions with celebrating Columbus has always been a mystery to me. There are so many other explores in US history, but we celebrate the one who was also a tyrant. The only reason why Columbus was picked out of all those great explorers in US history must be because he was also a tyrant right? There is absolutely nothing about Columbus that makes him stand out! Seriously, if it is a mystery to you why Columbus is usually the one picked out, you are only Trumpifying yourself more and more in the other corner. And you should probably should stop doing all those posts about what is wrong with the US political divide. Because even though you often mention correct points, you are in no way better than those you criticize.
He was picked out because he was from Genoa. True story.
|
On September 01 2017 22:44 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2017 19:49 PM_ME_NICE_PUPPERS wrote:On September 01 2017 19:41 Aquanim wrote:On September 01 2017 19:35 Biff The Understudy wrote:...
Columbus is not the symbol of native american genocide... What does he symbolise that's worth putting statues up to? Are you kidding me? The "discovery" of the USA? Dealing a solid blow to the flat-earth-myth? Doing like for or five transatlantic voyages during a time where even one was perilous and basically unheard of? But good job shitting on the people who shaped the world. I'm sure the average Women's Studies or African American Studies major whose only contribution is attacking better men is going to have a similar impact. There was no flat earth myth. Everyone knew the earth was round except Columbus who came up with the pear earth myth, and thought that finding "India" where he found it proved it.
Lmaooo wtf
"Discovery of the USA" is this guy for real?
|
On September 01 2017 22:54 PoulsenB wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2017 22:44 KwarK wrote:On September 01 2017 19:49 PM_ME_NICE_PUPPERS wrote:On September 01 2017 19:41 Aquanim wrote:On September 01 2017 19:35 Biff The Understudy wrote:...
Columbus is not the symbol of native american genocide... What does he symbolise that's worth putting statues up to? Are you kidding me? The "discovery" of the USA? Dealing a solid blow to the flat-earth-myth? Doing like for or five transatlantic voyages during a time where even one was perilous and basically unheard of? But good job shitting on the people who shaped the world. I'm sure the average Women's Studies or African American Studies major whose only contribution is attacking better men is going to have a similar impact. There was no flat earth myth. Everyone knew the earth was round except Columbus who came up with the pear earth myth, and thought that finding "India" where he found it proved it. Lmaooo wtf "Discovery of the USA" is this guy for real?
Our education system is real bad. The myth is taught in primary school like its real history.
|
On September 01 2017 22:57 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2017 22:54 PoulsenB wrote:On September 01 2017 22:44 KwarK wrote:On September 01 2017 19:49 PM_ME_NICE_PUPPERS wrote:On September 01 2017 19:41 Aquanim wrote:On September 01 2017 19:35 Biff The Understudy wrote:...
Columbus is not the symbol of native american genocide... What does he symbolise that's worth putting statues up to? Are you kidding me? The "discovery" of the USA? Dealing a solid blow to the flat-earth-myth? Doing like for or five transatlantic voyages during a time where even one was perilous and basically unheard of? But good job shitting on the people who shaped the world. I'm sure the average Women's Studies or African American Studies major whose only contribution is attacking better men is going to have a similar impact. There was no flat earth myth. Everyone knew the earth was round except Columbus who came up with the pear earth myth, and thought that finding "India" where he found it proved it. Lmaooo wtf "Discovery of the USA" is this guy for real? Our education system is real bad. The myth is taught in primary school like its real history.
I'm fairly sure I was taught the same
|
United States44171 Posts
Carl Sagan's Cosmos taught me about Eratosthenes who, when someone told him that on the right day at the right time the sun shone directly down a deep and straight well, said "I bet I can use that to calculate the size of the earth using the sun as a fixed point of reference" and then did exactly that.
Fucking geometry man.
|
On September 01 2017 22:58 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2017 22:57 Plansix wrote:On September 01 2017 22:54 PoulsenB wrote:On September 01 2017 22:44 KwarK wrote:On September 01 2017 19:49 PM_ME_NICE_PUPPERS wrote:On September 01 2017 19:41 Aquanim wrote:On September 01 2017 19:35 Biff The Understudy wrote:...
Columbus is not the symbol of native american genocide... What does he symbolise that's worth putting statues up to? Are you kidding me? The "discovery" of the USA? Dealing a solid blow to the flat-earth-myth? Doing like for or five transatlantic voyages during a time where even one was perilous and basically unheard of? But good job shitting on the people who shaped the world. I'm sure the average Women's Studies or African American Studies major whose only contribution is attacking better men is going to have a similar impact. There was no flat earth myth. Everyone knew the earth was round except Columbus who came up with the pear earth myth, and thought that finding "India" where he found it proved it. Lmaooo wtf "Discovery of the USA" is this guy for real? Our education system is real bad. The myth is taught in primary school like its real history. I'm fairly sure I was taught the same
I think that is a large factor why people don’t like the statues. It would be different if we didn’t lionize the myth of Columbus at every turn. But we do, so the statues are seen as an extension of this false history.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
