US Politics Mega-thread - Page 8619

On September 01 2017 20:37 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I think this is something that has more Europeans interested (and an Australian) than Americans, and "our" prevailing view appears to be that of nonchalance. I am curious to hear what exactly does the Statue of Columbus represent to each American member of this thread?

On September 01 2017 20:45 Nebuchad wrote:
There was a video about Columbus on TYT a while ago, don't remember what they said but that's probably a good start

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On September 01 2017 20:30 Aquanim wrote:

If this is how you feel then I advise you not to lead with some generalisation about "lefties" next time:

as if people on the left wing of politics agree about 95% of anything.

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I guess that would be why I'm not really advocating for its removal then.

On September 01 2017 21:00 Uldridge wrote:
The contexts are completely different in the USA and in Europe, Fueledupandreadytogo, here we don't really give a fuck because everyone's laughing at everyone. We're all degenerates and refined at the same time and we embrace that (or at least that's how I feel it is).

A judge ruled Wednesday that the descendants of enslaved people who were owned by members of the Cherokee Nation — known as Cherokee Freedmen — have citizenship rights.

"The Cherokee Nation can continue to define itself as it sees fit," U.S. District Judge Thomas F. Hogan wrote in his ruling, "but must do so equally and evenhandedly with respect to native Cherokees and the descendants of Cherokee Freedmen."

After Emancipation, the Cherokee Nation granted its former slaves tribal citizenship as part of a treaty with the U.S. government in 1866. But in 2007, Cherokee members voted overwhelmingly to strip 2,800 Freedmen of their membership, defining tribal citizenship as "by blood."

NPR previously reported that the U.S. government had opposed the tribe's vote and that at one point, the Department of Housing and Urban Development suspended $37 million in funding to the Cherokee Nation.

Now, the fight over citizenship has come to an end.

Marilyn Vann, president of the Descendants of Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes — one of the plaintiffs in the lawsuit — called the decision "groundbreaking."

"There can be racial justice — but it doesn't always come easy," Vann told NPR. "What this means for me, is the Freedmen people will be able to continue our citizenship ... and also that we're able to preserve our history. All we ever wanted was the rights promised us, to continue to be enforced."

The tribe's attorney general, Todd Hembree, said in a statement Thursday evening that the Cherokee Nation does not intend to appeal the decision.

"The Cherokee Nation respects the rule of law, and yesterday we began accepting and processing citizenship applications from Freedmen descendants," Hembree said. "While the U.S. District Court ruled against the Cherokee Nation, I do not see it as a defeat. As the Attorney General, I see this as an opportunity to resolve the Freedmen citizenship issue and allow the Cherokee Nation to move beyond this dispute."

On September 01 2017 21:02 Sbrubbles wrote:


You're arguing you would be ok with less of them. If you've come up with a way to arrive at less of them without removing any I'm willing to listen.

On September 01 2017 21:06 Godwrath wrote:
It's fucking Franco riding an angel.

On September 01 2017 20:55 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I don't know why people take statues so seriously. Unless there's a full scale Lenin-like statue-worshipping policy going who even cares. We have a huge statue of a dwarf with a buttplug here. It was supposed to be santa with a christmas tree but it came out like this. Some people get offended by it but it's still just a statue that most people laugh about.

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Also, I'm pretty sure most historical figures were ruthless cunts in current standards. One of our most famous people was a state sanctioned pirate who stole a Spanish treasure fleet full of silver during our war with them. Just because he has a statue somewhere doesn't mean we are fans of piracy or hate the spanish.

On September 01 2017 20:59 PM_ME_NICE_PUPPERS wrote:


> TYT
> a good start

Pick one. TYT are hardcore ideologues, trusting them on anything historical is rather naive. If you're willing to state that the Armenian genocide never happened, why would you have any qualms about lying history to serve your narrative?

They're entertaining enough when they stick to shitting on Trump or white supremacists, but you can't possibly consider them a reliable source of news or, even worse, history. That's like getting your health advice from Alex Jones.

On September 01 2017 21:06 Godwrath wrote:

I mean, i live on Spain and on my way to work i always see this
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It's fucking Franco riding an angel.

On September 01 2017 20:26 Plansix wrote:
As long at the statue doesn't gloss over the messy parts of Columbus's journeys, he can have a statue. That is what the plaque for. But to often these monuments flatten history and remove all of its complexity, turning the historical figures into folk heroes, rather than nuanced historical figures.

On September 01 2017 21:20 Acrofales wrote:

Wtf? Where in Spain are Franco statues still tolerated? And especially one portraying him as some kind of saviour?!

I mean, they tried to put a Franco statue in Barcelona fairly recently, and within a few days it looked like this:
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And rightfully so. Fuck that guy.

E: although I do have to say that a statue of Franco riding an angel is just so completely absurd, I feel it at least deserves a place in some museum of modern art somewhere.