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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15686 Posts
August 23 2017 00:56 GMT
#170521
On August 23 2017 09:50 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2017 09:47 Mohdoo wrote:
On August 23 2017 09:04 LegalLord wrote:
Good ol' Phoenix. A wonderful place to burn alive in the summer.


Have you seen their housing prices though? For $270,000, you get a downright fucking amazing house. Makes the idea of working at the Intel fab down there sound pretty appetizing. And then I'm wait "Oh wait, Phoenix lol"

It actually is a very good city, heat and all. But not a place you want to be outside in at any time during the summer. Waiting in line downtown in a long line at the convention center certainly sounds like an adventure.

Oh hey, interesting. I honestly thought it was one of those places that's like 95 in December. Googled around a bit and it isn't so bad. Ok then wtf.

https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Phoenix-AZ/pmf,pf_pt/house_type/8261172_zpid/40326_rid/3-_beds/1.5-_baths/200000-300000_price/732-1098_mp/globalrelevanceex_sort/34.090767,-111.386261,33.118575,-112.862549_rect/9_zm/

!!?!?
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
August 23 2017 00:59 GMT
#170522
On August 23 2017 09:56 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2017 09:50 LegalLord wrote:
On August 23 2017 09:47 Mohdoo wrote:
On August 23 2017 09:04 LegalLord wrote:
Good ol' Phoenix. A wonderful place to burn alive in the summer.


Have you seen their housing prices though? For $270,000, you get a downright fucking amazing house. Makes the idea of working at the Intel fab down there sound pretty appetizing. And then I'm wait "Oh wait, Phoenix lol"

It actually is a very good city, heat and all. But not a place you want to be outside in at any time during the summer. Waiting in line downtown in a long line at the convention center certainly sounds like an adventure.

Oh hey, interesting. I honestly thought it was one of those places that's like 95 in December. Googled around a bit and it isn't so bad. Ok then wtf.

https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Phoenix-AZ/pmf,pf_pt/house_type/8261172_zpid/40326_rid/3-_beds/1.5-_baths/200000-300000_price/732-1098_mp/globalrelevanceex_sort/34.090767,-111.386261,33.118575,-112.862549_rect/9_zm/

!!?!?

The city has a very large area so land isn't really at a premium.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-23 01:00:34
August 23 2017 01:00 GMT
#170523
Aww guys it was only 108 and humid outside. A pleasant day by Phoenix standards.

And yes, if you can handle the heat it's a great place to live.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8982 Posts
August 23 2017 01:02 GMT
#170524
On August 23 2017 09:56 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2017 09:50 LegalLord wrote:
On August 23 2017 09:47 Mohdoo wrote:
On August 23 2017 09:04 LegalLord wrote:
Good ol' Phoenix. A wonderful place to burn alive in the summer.


Have you seen their housing prices though? For $270,000, you get a downright fucking amazing house. Makes the idea of working at the Intel fab down there sound pretty appetizing. And then I'm wait "Oh wait, Phoenix lol"

It actually is a very good city, heat and all. But not a place you want to be outside in at any time during the summer. Waiting in line downtown in a long line at the convention center certainly sounds like an adventure.

Oh hey, interesting. I honestly thought it was one of those places that's like 95 in December. Googled around a bit and it isn't so bad. Ok then wtf.

https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Phoenix-AZ/pmf,pf_pt/house_type/8261172_zpid/40326_rid/3-_beds/1.5-_baths/200000-300000_price/732-1098_mp/globalrelevanceex_sort/34.090767,-111.386261,33.118575,-112.862549_rect/9_zm/

!!?!?

For comparison here in KCMO
https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Kansas-City-MO-64134/pmf,pf_pt/house_type/2441713_zpid/86371_rid/3-_beds/1.5-_baths/200000-300000_price/732-1098_mp/globalrelevanceex_sort/38.97469,-94.408007,38.880142,-94.561816_rect/12_zm/
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15686 Posts
August 23 2017 01:08 GMT
#170525
On August 23 2017 10:02 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2017 09:56 Mohdoo wrote:
On August 23 2017 09:50 LegalLord wrote:
On August 23 2017 09:47 Mohdoo wrote:
On August 23 2017 09:04 LegalLord wrote:
Good ol' Phoenix. A wonderful place to burn alive in the summer.


Have you seen their housing prices though? For $270,000, you get a downright fucking amazing house. Makes the idea of working at the Intel fab down there sound pretty appetizing. And then I'm wait "Oh wait, Phoenix lol"

It actually is a very good city, heat and all. But not a place you want to be outside in at any time during the summer. Waiting in line downtown in a long line at the convention center certainly sounds like an adventure.

Oh hey, interesting. I honestly thought it was one of those places that's like 95 in December. Googled around a bit and it isn't so bad. Ok then wtf.

https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Phoenix-AZ/pmf,pf_pt/house_type/8261172_zpid/40326_rid/3-_beds/1.5-_baths/200000-300000_price/732-1098_mp/globalrelevanceex_sort/34.090767,-111.386261,33.118575,-112.862549_rect/9_zm/

!!?!?

For comparison here in KCMO
https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Kansas-City-MO-64134/pmf,pf_pt/house_type/2441713_zpid/86371_rid/3-_beds/1.5-_baths/200000-300000_price/732-1098_mp/globalrelevanceex_sort/38.97469,-94.408007,38.880142,-94.561816_rect/12_zm/


God damn. Portland is so fucking stupid.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 23 2017 01:09 GMT
#170526
On August 23 2017 10:00 On_Slaught wrote:
Aww guys it was only 108 and humid outside. A pleasant day by Phoenix standards.

And yes, if you can handle the heat it's a great place to live.

What is this humidity? 80%?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-23 01:13:28
August 23 2017 01:11 GMT
#170527
On August 23 2017 10:08 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2017 10:02 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On August 23 2017 09:56 Mohdoo wrote:
On August 23 2017 09:50 LegalLord wrote:
On August 23 2017 09:47 Mohdoo wrote:
On August 23 2017 09:04 LegalLord wrote:
Good ol' Phoenix. A wonderful place to burn alive in the summer.


Have you seen their housing prices though? For $270,000, you get a downright fucking amazing house. Makes the idea of working at the Intel fab down there sound pretty appetizing. And then I'm wait "Oh wait, Phoenix lol"

It actually is a very good city, heat and all. But not a place you want to be outside in at any time during the summer. Waiting in line downtown in a long line at the convention center certainly sounds like an adventure.

Oh hey, interesting. I honestly thought it was one of those places that's like 95 in December. Googled around a bit and it isn't so bad. Ok then wtf.

https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Phoenix-AZ/pmf,pf_pt/house_type/8261172_zpid/40326_rid/3-_beds/1.5-_baths/200000-300000_price/732-1098_mp/globalrelevanceex_sort/34.090767,-111.386261,33.118575,-112.862549_rect/9_zm/

!!?!?

For comparison here in KCMO
https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Kansas-City-MO-64134/pmf,pf_pt/house_type/2441713_zpid/86371_rid/3-_beds/1.5-_baths/200000-300000_price/732-1098_mp/globalrelevanceex_sort/38.97469,-94.408007,38.880142,-94.561816_rect/12_zm/


God damn. Portland is so fucking stupid.

because of the housing price issues? yeah, they should fix that. Pressuring local gov't to fix things like that is hard though. I've had no success (especially as i'm a poewrless nobody; and politics >>>>>> sound policy)
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3889 Posts
August 23 2017 01:22 GMT
#170528
Portland has also been unreasonably hot this year.
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15686 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-23 01:28:45
August 23 2017 01:24 GMT
#170529
On August 23 2017 10:11 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2017 10:08 Mohdoo wrote:
On August 23 2017 10:02 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On August 23 2017 09:56 Mohdoo wrote:
On August 23 2017 09:50 LegalLord wrote:
On August 23 2017 09:47 Mohdoo wrote:
On August 23 2017 09:04 LegalLord wrote:
Good ol' Phoenix. A wonderful place to burn alive in the summer.


Have you seen their housing prices though? For $270,000, you get a downright fucking amazing house. Makes the idea of working at the Intel fab down there sound pretty appetizing. And then I'm wait "Oh wait, Phoenix lol"

It actually is a very good city, heat and all. But not a place you want to be outside in at any time during the summer. Waiting in line downtown in a long line at the convention center certainly sounds like an adventure.

Oh hey, interesting. I honestly thought it was one of those places that's like 95 in December. Googled around a bit and it isn't so bad. Ok then wtf.

https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Phoenix-AZ/pmf,pf_pt/house_type/8261172_zpid/40326_rid/3-_beds/1.5-_baths/200000-300000_price/732-1098_mp/globalrelevanceex_sort/34.090767,-111.386261,33.118575,-112.862549_rect/9_zm/

!!?!?

For comparison here in KCMO
https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Kansas-City-MO-64134/pmf,pf_pt/house_type/2441713_zpid/86371_rid/3-_beds/1.5-_baths/200000-300000_price/732-1098_mp/globalrelevanceex_sort/38.97469,-94.408007,38.880142,-94.561816_rect/12_zm/


God damn. Portland is so fucking stupid.

because of the housing price issues? yeah, they should fix that. Pressuring local gov't to fix things like that is hard though. I've had no success (especially as i'm a poewrless nobody; and politics >>>>>> sound policy)


It goes like this:

1. People complain about housing prices
2. Some shitty ass "omg so cultural <3 <3 <3" restaurant or something sells their land so a bunch of condos go up
3. Everyone complains about how dish washers can't afford these condos
4. Everyone fights against these new developments because they can't afford it on the salary of a part time artist part time barista
5. These people then push for ultra cheap housing that ONLY poor people can live in
6. In the end, the new condos still go up, but along the way, they manage to subdue 1 or 2 restaurants being sold by launching obscene campaigns
7. None of their ultra socialist bullshit ever happens because they don't actually know how to do anything but launch hashtag campaigns
8. Prices continue to rise because people keep whining about gentrification
9. Gentrification totally continues, just as fast, because these dipshits won't let condos go up
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
August 23 2017 01:26 GMT
#170530
DC is pretty brutal. I can't afford a nice house with an easy commute. Then again, I'm not sure a nice house with an easy commute exists at any price, but that's another matter.

I even blogged about the struggle of trying to balance housing price with location and other factors recently.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
August 23 2017 01:29 GMT
#170531
The perils of living in a large metro area, I'm afraid. Especially one with history.

The rather abysmal situation for housing I saw in and around DC was definitely one of the motivating factors for me to not want to go anywhere near that admittedly lucrative line of work. Salaries don't mean much if you have to live like shit in the process.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
August 23 2017 01:31 GMT
#170532
When Mr. Trump addressed a Boy Scouts jamboree last month in West Virginia, White House aides told Senator Shelley Moore Capito, a Republican from the state whose support was in doubt, that she could only accompany him on Air Force One if she committed to voting for the health care bill. She declined the invitation, noting that she could not commit to voting for a measure she had not seen, according to Republican briefed on the conversation.


Other highlight from that NYT report about Mcconnell
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
August 23 2017 01:31 GMT
#170533
On August 23 2017 10:09 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2017 10:00 On_Slaught wrote:
Aww guys it was only 108 and humid outside. A pleasant day by Phoenix standards.

And yes, if you can handle the heat it's a great place to live.

What is this humidity? 80%?


Was more like in the 30s or 40s when I was out there. Still it was bad enough that they had firefighters helping a bunch of elderly that I saw. The local Republicans groups were handing out free waters to everyone in line.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 23 2017 01:37 GMT
#170534
On August 23 2017 10:31 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2017 10:09 Plansix wrote:
On August 23 2017 10:00 On_Slaught wrote:
Aww guys it was only 108 and humid outside. A pleasant day by Phoenix standards.

And yes, if you can handle the heat it's a great place to live.

What is this humidity? 80%?


Was more like in the 30s or 40s when I was out there. Still it was bad enough that they had firefighters helping a bunch of elderly that I saw. The local Republicans groups were handing out free waters to everyone in line.

I dream of 40% humidity. We are in the 80-100 range at least twice a week.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
August 23 2017 01:39 GMT
#170535
Denver is pretty bad housing price-wise, too. You can't really find entry-level housing for under $300k anymore. Something decent with around 1700 square feet is going to cost closer to $400k in the more affordable suburbs.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-23 01:45:10
August 23 2017 01:39 GMT
#170536
On August 23 2017 10:24 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2017 10:11 zlefin wrote:
On August 23 2017 10:08 Mohdoo wrote:
On August 23 2017 10:02 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On August 23 2017 09:56 Mohdoo wrote:
On August 23 2017 09:50 LegalLord wrote:
On August 23 2017 09:47 Mohdoo wrote:
On August 23 2017 09:04 LegalLord wrote:
Good ol' Phoenix. A wonderful place to burn alive in the summer.


Have you seen their housing prices though? For $270,000, you get a downright fucking amazing house. Makes the idea of working at the Intel fab down there sound pretty appetizing. And then I'm wait "Oh wait, Phoenix lol"

It actually is a very good city, heat and all. But not a place you want to be outside in at any time during the summer. Waiting in line downtown in a long line at the convention center certainly sounds like an adventure.

Oh hey, interesting. I honestly thought it was one of those places that's like 95 in December. Googled around a bit and it isn't so bad. Ok then wtf.

https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Phoenix-AZ/pmf,pf_pt/house_type/8261172_zpid/40326_rid/3-_beds/1.5-_baths/200000-300000_price/732-1098_mp/globalrelevanceex_sort/34.090767,-111.386261,33.118575,-112.862549_rect/9_zm/

!!?!?

For comparison here in KCMO
https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Kansas-City-MO-64134/pmf,pf_pt/house_type/2441713_zpid/86371_rid/3-_beds/1.5-_baths/200000-300000_price/732-1098_mp/globalrelevanceex_sort/38.97469,-94.408007,38.880142,-94.561816_rect/12_zm/


God damn. Portland is so fucking stupid.

because of the housing price issues? yeah, they should fix that. Pressuring local gov't to fix things like that is hard though. I've had no success (especially as i'm a poewrless nobody; and politics >>>>>> sound policy)


It goes like this:

1. People complain about housing prices
2. Some shitty ass "omg so cultural <3 <3 <3" restaurant or something sells their land so a bunch of condos go up
3. Everyone complains about how dish washers can't afford these condos
4. Everyone fights against these new developments because they can't afford it on the salary of a part time artist part time barista
5. These people then push for ultra cheap housing that ONLY poor people can live in
6. In the end, the new condos still go up, but along the way, they manage to subdue 1 or 2 restaurants being sold by launching obscene campaigns
7. None of their ultra socialist bullshit ever happens because they don't actually know how to do anything but launch hashtag campaigns
8. Prices continue to rise because people keep whining about gentrification
9. Gentrification totally continues, just as fast, because these dipshits won't let condos go up

We just skip all that in Boston and never build middle class housing ever. And everyone fights subsidized housing unless it's in communities with poor people. Nobody wins.

Edit: The suburbs of Boston have reached like $500K-$700 depending. Newton will cost you close to million for anything worth while.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
August 23 2017 01:40 GMT
#170537
On August 23 2017 10:24 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2017 10:11 zlefin wrote:
On August 23 2017 10:08 Mohdoo wrote:
On August 23 2017 10:02 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On August 23 2017 09:56 Mohdoo wrote:
On August 23 2017 09:50 LegalLord wrote:
On August 23 2017 09:47 Mohdoo wrote:
On August 23 2017 09:04 LegalLord wrote:
Good ol' Phoenix. A wonderful place to burn alive in the summer.


Have you seen their housing prices though? For $270,000, you get a downright fucking amazing house. Makes the idea of working at the Intel fab down there sound pretty appetizing. And then I'm wait "Oh wait, Phoenix lol"

It actually is a very good city, heat and all. But not a place you want to be outside in at any time during the summer. Waiting in line downtown in a long line at the convention center certainly sounds like an adventure.

Oh hey, interesting. I honestly thought it was one of those places that's like 95 in December. Googled around a bit and it isn't so bad. Ok then wtf.

https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Phoenix-AZ/pmf,pf_pt/house_type/8261172_zpid/40326_rid/3-_beds/1.5-_baths/200000-300000_price/732-1098_mp/globalrelevanceex_sort/34.090767,-111.386261,33.118575,-112.862549_rect/9_zm/

!!?!?

For comparison here in KCMO
https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Kansas-City-MO-64134/pmf,pf_pt/house_type/2441713_zpid/86371_rid/3-_beds/1.5-_baths/200000-300000_price/732-1098_mp/globalrelevanceex_sort/38.97469,-94.408007,38.880142,-94.561816_rect/12_zm/


God damn. Portland is so fucking stupid.

because of the housing price issues? yeah, they should fix that. Pressuring local gov't to fix things like that is hard though. I've had no success (especially as i'm a poewrless nobody; and politics >>>>>> sound policy)


It goes like this:

1. People complain about housing prices
2. Some shitty ass "omg so cultural <3 <3 <3" restaurant or something sells their land so a bunch of condos go up
3. Everyone complains about how dish washers can't afford these condos
4. Everyone fights against these new developments because they can't afford it on the salary of a part time artist part time barista
5. These people then push for ultra cheap housing that ONLY poor people can live in
6. In the end, the new condos still go up, but along the way, they manage to subdue 1 or 2 restaurants being sold by launching obscene campaigns
7. None of their ultra socialist bullshit ever happens because they don't actually know how to do anything but launch hashtag campaigns
8. Prices continue to rise because people keep whining about gentrification
9. Gentrification totally continues, just as fast, because these dipshits won't let condos go up

aye; i'm quite familiar with the various processes and have read up on them. sad that people vote against truly affordable housing policiy; and push inefficient nonsense instead.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2654 Posts
August 23 2017 01:43 GMT
#170538
On August 23 2017 10:31 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2017 10:09 Plansix wrote:
On August 23 2017 10:00 On_Slaught wrote:
Aww guys it was only 108 and humid outside. A pleasant day by Phoenix standards.

And yes, if you can handle the heat it's a great place to live.

What is this humidity? 80%?


Was more like in the 30s or 40s when I was out there. Still it was bad enough that they had firefighters helping a bunch of elderly that I saw. The local Republicans groups were handing out free waters to everyone in line.

Rally started yet?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 23 2017 01:50 GMT
#170539
The British spy behind a salacious “dossier” on President Trump has told the FBI about his sources for the document, according to a report.

Former MI6 agent Christopher Steele authored the 35-page unsubstantiated report published online in January, which alleged that blackmail against Trump was being used by Kremlin officials in an election interference plot.

Investigations into that alleged meddling have been trying to talk to Steele, who has experience in the former Soviet Union and disappeared after his dossier became public,with ABC News reporting that he has now met with the FBI.

He reportedly told investigators about the names of his sources, identified only by letters in the dossier.

It was not immediately clear what other information he gave.

A Washington Post report from earlier this year said that the FBI once planned on paying Steele to continue his work looking into potential Trump-Russia connections after an intermediary brought them his alleged findings after the release of hacked Democratic National Committee emails.

The U.S. intelligence community later jointly found that hack to be part of an effort by Moscow to tilt the election toward Trump.

Steele’s reported meeting with the FBI comes as the agency, the House, the Senate and special counsel Robert Mueller all investigate the alleged meddling, with the spy’s testimony also requested in a Florida defamation suit by a Russian businessman listed in the dossier.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 23 2017 01:57 GMT
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On August 23 2017 10:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
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The British spy behind a salacious “dossier” on President Trump has told the FBI about his sources for the document, according to a report.

Former MI6 agent Christopher Steele authored the 35-page unsubstantiated report published online in January, which alleged that blackmail against Trump was being used by Kremlin officials in an election interference plot.

Investigations into that alleged meddling have been trying to talk to Steele, who has experience in the former Soviet Union and disappeared after his dossier became public,with ABC News reporting that he has now met with the FBI.

He reportedly told investigators about the names of his sources, identified only by letters in the dossier.

It was not immediately clear what other information he gave.

A Washington Post report from earlier this year said that the FBI once planned on paying Steele to continue his work looking into potential Trump-Russia connections after an intermediary brought them his alleged findings after the release of hacked Democratic National Committee emails.

The U.S. intelligence community later jointly found that hack to be part of an effort by Moscow to tilt the election toward Trump.

Steele’s reported meeting with the FBI comes as the agency, the House, the Senate and special counsel Robert Mueller all investigate the alleged meddling, with the spy’s testimony also requested in a Florida defamation suit by a Russian businessman listed in the dossier.


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If Trump goes nuts on Twitter over this story I will take it as evidence that the dossier is real.
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