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On March 03 2017 03:16 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 03:11 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On March 03 2017 03:03 xDaunt wrote:On March 03 2017 02:33 Danglars wrote:
Skepticism at WaPo. No fucking shit they are overplaying their hand. This is #fakenews in action for all of the reasons that I detailed last night. And the insidious effect of it is obvious for all to see. People are reading the first 2-3 paragraphs of that shitty WashPo article and presuming that there's a huge problem without really digging into the rest of the article where the shortcomings of the narrative become brutally apparent. And don't for a moment think that the timing of this article wasn't deliberate. This #fakenews narrative was launched precisely to derail Trump's momentum from his speech on Tuesday. As I have tried to make clear, possibly unsuccessfully, I liked Trump, particularly on immigration. I voted for Trump. I am disgusted by lawmakers on both sides trying to score political points now when our country is facing one of the most severe crises in its history. Trump's Russia ties are of serious concern. Carter Page. Paul Manafort. Gen Flynn. Jeff Sessions. When the hell does this end? How deep does it go? Why is Trump so friendly towards Putin? What kind of kompromat does Putin have on Trump? Why is Trump, someone who doesn't shy from confrontation, unwilling to confront a Kremlin that refers to USA as its "Main Adversary" once again? (for you lefties, Putin would have had all illegal business conducted via Clinton's email server to blackmail her with, at minimum. Clinton sucks just as hard here.) Here's the only question that should concern you at this time: what has Trump actually done (not said) to change Russian/American relations?
Who cares about what Trump has done, it's the overall party, and what have they done as a whole? Because in all honesty, if these people do have ties to Russia, our government is compromised, and fucked. How do you feel about that? Or are you only concerned with what TRUMP has done still?
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On March 03 2017 03:16 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 03:11 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On March 03 2017 03:03 xDaunt wrote:No fucking shit they are overplaying their hand. This is #fakenews in action for all of the reasons that I detailed last night. And the insidious effect of it is obvious for all to see. People are reading the first 2-3 paragraphs of that shitty WashPo article and presuming that there's a huge problem without really digging into the rest of the article where the shortcomings of the narrative become brutally apparent. And don't for a moment think that the timing of this article wasn't deliberate. This #fakenews narrative was launched precisely to derail Trump's momentum from his speech on Tuesday. As I have tried to make clear, possibly unsuccessfully, I liked Trump, particularly on immigration. I voted for Trump. I am disgusted by lawmakers on both sides trying to score political points now when our country is facing one of the most severe crises in its history. Trump's Russia ties are of serious concern. Carter Page. Paul Manafort. Gen Flynn. Jeff Sessions. When the hell does this end? How deep does it go? Why is Trump so friendly towards Putin? What kind of kompromat does Putin have on Trump? Why is Trump, someone who doesn't shy from confrontation, unwilling to confront a Kremlin that refers to USA as its "Main Adversary" once again? (for you lefties, Putin would have had all illegal business conducted via Clinton's email server to blackmail her with, at minimum. Clinton sucks just as hard here.) Here's the only question that should concern you at this time: what has Trump actually done (not said) to change Russian/American relations?
I do not know. No one does. The answer to your question is precisely what the full, open, independent investigation I am advocating for would determine.
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On March 03 2017 03:17 TheLordofAwesome wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 03:14 KwarK wrote:On March 03 2017 03:03 xDaunt wrote:No fucking shit they are overplaying their hand. This is #fakenews in action for all of the reasons that I detailed last night. And the insidious effect of it is obvious for all to see. People are reading the first 2-3 paragraphs of that shitty WashPo article and presuming that there's a huge problem without really digging into the rest of the article where the shortcomings of the narrative become brutally apparent. And don't for a moment think that the timing of this article wasn't deliberate. This #fakenews narrative was launched precisely to derail Trump's momentum from his speech on Tuesday. 1) Sessions, part of the Trump election campaign chose to have a private meeting with Russian intelligence. 2) Russian intelligence chose to actively intervene in the US election to favour the Trump campaign. 3) The Trump administration then sacrificed American geopolitical interests to offer concessions to Russia. 4) Sessions stated "I did not have communications with the Russians", a statement which can be demonstrated not to be true by the fact that he held a private meeting with Russian intelligence. Those four are established facts. I know you struggle a lot with facts these days but not all of us are suffering from that particular handicap. I find your snarkiness seriously irritating. If you want to change someone's mind, this is no way to do it.
You do not seem to be aware of the dynamic between Xdaunt and other people in this thread. No one is trying to change Xdaunts mind. We are just accelerating the process to when he calls us all stupid and declares himself as the lord of objection, rational thought and self critique. We have perfected this art over the years.
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On March 03 2017 03:18 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 03:11 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
(for you lefties, Putin would have had all illegal business conducted via Clinton's email server to blackmail her with, at minimum. Clinton sucks just as hard here.) Very few people would deny that, but as I've said before, Clinton is not our president. Trump is our president. And I care very little about holding him to the standard of a disgraced presidential loser.
GH is right though: the presence of Hillary as the utterly electable candidate she was normalizes retardedly bad behavior in the government. Having a nominee, or president or cabinet, under constant federal investigation ain't no thing anymore.
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On March 03 2017 03:18 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 03:11 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
(for you lefties, Putin would have had all illegal business conducted via Clinton's email server to blackmail her with, at minimum. Clinton sucks just as hard here.) Very few people would deny that, but as I've said before, Clinton is not our president. Trump is our president. And I care very little about holding him to the standard of a disgraced presidential loser.
Oh of course, Trump is our president and I care very deeply about having him held to the appropriate standard of his office. I agree totally with everything you've said here actually.
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President Donald Trump’s team rejected a course for senior White House staff, Cabinet nominees and other political appointees that would have provided training on leadership, ethics and management, according to documents obtained by POLITICO.
The documents suggest the program could have better prepared officials for working within existing laws and executive orders, and provided guidance on how to navigate Senate confirmation for nominees and political appointees, how to deal with congressional and media scrutiny, and how to work with Congress and collaborate with agencies — some of the same issues that have become major stumbling blocks in the early days of the administration.
But the contract was never awarded because after the election the transition team shifted its priorities, according to a letter the General Services Administration sent to bidders such as the Partnership for Public Service. The program was expected to cost $1 million, the documents show. The contract-based training program was authorized in 2000, and the Obama and Bush transitions both received the training.
“It has been determined that the requirements as defined in the RFQ do not accurately reflect the current needs of the Presidential Transition Team,” the GSA contracting officer, Matthew Gormley, wrote in the Jan. 10 letter.
The agency’s cancellation notice elaborated on the reasons for dropping the program.
“As a result of a change in Presidential Transition Team leadership after the Nov. 8, 2016, election, there have been changes in the PTT’s goals for the political appointee orientation program,” it said. Shortly after the election, Vice President Mike Pence took over running the transition from New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie.
The changes included the transition team’s desire to control all the speakers and content, according to the notice.
Gormley referred questions to an agency spokesperson who didn’t answer a request for comment.
After the story was published, a White House spokeswoman said in a statement, "Several sessions on ethics issues were done in the Transition office as a prerequisite to employees being allowed to get on the White House campus for the first time, and get their badges. The Office of the White House Counsel continues to work to provide employees of the Executive Office of the President with direct instruction on the standards they are expected to follow during their employment at the White House."
The Trump team has said it was determined not to spend all of its transition funds, and it returned millions to the government. To some Republicans, the program could be seen as wasteful.
Several political appointees at agencies said they received very little training and that the period between the election and Inauguration Day was hectic. There has also been little contact between the political appointees at agencies and the longtime civil servants because of a lack of trust, several of these people said.
The lack of training likely fueled a series of early missteps in the presidency, as aides fired off executive orders and new rules without briefing Congress or their peers at agencies.
"It looks like a good program, and I wish they had implemented it,” said Norm Eisen, a White House ethics lawyer in the Obama administration who now leads the watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. "It might have spared them the numerous ethics and other messes they have encountered.”
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On March 03 2017 03:21 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 03:18 TheYango wrote:On March 03 2017 03:11 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
(for you lefties, Putin would have had all illegal business conducted via Clinton's email server to blackmail her with, at minimum. Clinton sucks just as hard here.) Very few people would deny that, but as I've said before, Clinton is not our president. Trump is our president. And I care very little about holding him to the standard of a disgraced presidential loser. GH is right though: the presence of Hillary as the utterly electable candidate she was normalizes retardedly bad behavior in the government. Having a nominee, or president or cabinet, under constant federal investigation ain't no thing anymore.
LEGALLORD BINGO STRIKES AGAIN
Also I'm not GH :O
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On March 03 2017 03:17 TheLordofAwesome wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 03:14 KwarK wrote:On March 03 2017 03:03 xDaunt wrote:No fucking shit they are overplaying their hand. This is #fakenews in action for all of the reasons that I detailed last night. And the insidious effect of it is obvious for all to see. People are reading the first 2-3 paragraphs of that shitty WashPo article and presuming that there's a huge problem without really digging into the rest of the article where the shortcomings of the narrative become brutally apparent. And don't for a moment think that the timing of this article wasn't deliberate. This #fakenews narrative was launched precisely to derail Trump's momentum from his speech on Tuesday. 1) Sessions, part of the Trump election campaign chose to have a private meeting with Russian intelligence. 2) Russian intelligence chose to actively intervene in the US election to favour the Trump campaign. 3) The Trump administration then sacrificed American geopolitical interests to offer concessions to Russia. 4) Sessions stated "I did not have communications with the Russians", a statement which can be demonstrated not to be true by the fact that he held a private meeting with Russian intelligence. Those four are established facts. I know you struggle a lot with facts these days but not all of us are suffering from that particular handicap. I find your snarkiness seriously irritating. If you want to change someone's mind, this is no way to do it.
xDaunts mind cannot be changed (same for LL). This thread is not so much for discussion and changing people's minds, its to contain the 2 sides yelling at each other to a single thread so it does not spread across TL.
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On March 03 2017 03:22 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 03:17 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On March 03 2017 03:14 KwarK wrote:On March 03 2017 03:03 xDaunt wrote:No fucking shit they are overplaying their hand. This is #fakenews in action for all of the reasons that I detailed last night. And the insidious effect of it is obvious for all to see. People are reading the first 2-3 paragraphs of that shitty WashPo article and presuming that there's a huge problem without really digging into the rest of the article where the shortcomings of the narrative become brutally apparent. And don't for a moment think that the timing of this article wasn't deliberate. This #fakenews narrative was launched precisely to derail Trump's momentum from his speech on Tuesday. 1) Sessions, part of the Trump election campaign chose to have a private meeting with Russian intelligence. 2) Russian intelligence chose to actively intervene in the US election to favour the Trump campaign. 3) The Trump administration then sacrificed American geopolitical interests to offer concessions to Russia. 4) Sessions stated "I did not have communications with the Russians", a statement which can be demonstrated not to be true by the fact that he held a private meeting with Russian intelligence. Those four are established facts. I know you struggle a lot with facts these days but not all of us are suffering from that particular handicap. I find your snarkiness seriously irritating. If you want to change someone's mind, this is no way to do it. xDaunts mind cannot be changed (same for LL). This thread is not so much for discussion and changing people's minds, its to contain the 2 sides yelling at each other to a single thread so it does not spread across TL.
KwarK is a moderator. I would hope that he would hold himself to higher standard of discourse instead of actively dragging others down into the muck.
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On March 03 2017 03:22 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 03:17 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On March 03 2017 03:14 KwarK wrote:On March 03 2017 03:03 xDaunt wrote:No fucking shit they are overplaying their hand. This is #fakenews in action for all of the reasons that I detailed last night. And the insidious effect of it is obvious for all to see. People are reading the first 2-3 paragraphs of that shitty WashPo article and presuming that there's a huge problem without really digging into the rest of the article where the shortcomings of the narrative become brutally apparent. And don't for a moment think that the timing of this article wasn't deliberate. This #fakenews narrative was launched precisely to derail Trump's momentum from his speech on Tuesday. 1) Sessions, part of the Trump election campaign chose to have a private meeting with Russian intelligence. 2) Russian intelligence chose to actively intervene in the US election to favour the Trump campaign. 3) The Trump administration then sacrificed American geopolitical interests to offer concessions to Russia. 4) Sessions stated "I did not have communications with the Russians", a statement which can be demonstrated not to be true by the fact that he held a private meeting with Russian intelligence. Those four are established facts. I know you struggle a lot with facts these days but not all of us are suffering from that particular handicap. I find your snarkiness seriously irritating. If you want to change someone's mind, this is no way to do it. xDaunts mind cannot be changed (same for LL). This thread is not so much for discussion and changing people's minds, its to contain the 2 sides yelling at each other to a single thread so it does not spread across TL.
Sometimes we discuss important stuff like healthcare and living in rural america. Or The Big Lie.
But that is not today. Today we fight.
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On March 03 2017 03:22 TheLordofAwesome wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 03:21 LegalLord wrote:On March 03 2017 03:18 TheYango wrote:On March 03 2017 03:11 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
(for you lefties, Putin would have had all illegal business conducted via Clinton's email server to blackmail her with, at minimum. Clinton sucks just as hard here.) Very few people would deny that, but as I've said before, Clinton is not our president. Trump is our president. And I care very little about holding him to the standard of a disgraced presidential loser. GH is right though: the presence of Hillary as the utterly electable candidate she was normalizes retardedly bad behavior in the government. Having a nominee, or president or cabinet, under constant federal investigation ain't no thing anymore. LEGALLORD BINGO STRIKES AGAIN Also I'm not GH :O
No one said you were.
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On March 03 2017 03:17 TheLordofAwesome wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 03:14 KwarK wrote:On March 03 2017 03:03 xDaunt wrote:No fucking shit they are overplaying their hand. This is #fakenews in action for all of the reasons that I detailed last night. And the insidious effect of it is obvious for all to see. People are reading the first 2-3 paragraphs of that shitty WashPo article and presuming that there's a huge problem without really digging into the rest of the article where the shortcomings of the narrative become brutally apparent. And don't for a moment think that the timing of this article wasn't deliberate. This #fakenews narrative was launched precisely to derail Trump's momentum from his speech on Tuesday. 1) Sessions, part of the Trump election campaign chose to have a private meeting with Russian intelligence. 2) Russian intelligence chose to actively intervene in the US election to favour the Trump campaign. 3) The Trump administration then sacrificed American geopolitical interests to offer concessions to Russia. 4) Sessions stated "I did not have communications with the Russians", a statement which can be demonstrated not to be true by the fact that he held a private meeting with Russian intelligence. Those four are established facts. I know you struggle a lot with facts these days but not all of us are suffering from that particular handicap. I find your snarkiness seriously irritating. If you want to change someone's mind, this is no way to do it.
The amusing part is that the snarkiness is badly misplaced. I'm the one who delved into the facts. Not Kwark. As usual, he can't even relay the facts accurately and completely.
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On March 03 2017 03:17 TheLordofAwesome wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 03:14 KwarK wrote:On March 03 2017 03:03 xDaunt wrote:No fucking shit they are overplaying their hand. This is #fakenews in action for all of the reasons that I detailed last night. And the insidious effect of it is obvious for all to see. People are reading the first 2-3 paragraphs of that shitty WashPo article and presuming that there's a huge problem without really digging into the rest of the article where the shortcomings of the narrative become brutally apparent. And don't for a moment think that the timing of this article wasn't deliberate. This #fakenews narrative was launched precisely to derail Trump's momentum from his speech on Tuesday. 1) Sessions, part of the Trump election campaign chose to have a private meeting with Russian intelligence. 2) Russian intelligence chose to actively intervene in the US election to favour the Trump campaign. 3) The Trump administration then sacrificed American geopolitical interests to offer concessions to Russia. 4) Sessions stated "I did not have communications with the Russians", a statement which can be demonstrated not to be true by the fact that he held a private meeting with Russian intelligence. Those four are established facts. I know you struggle a lot with facts these days but not all of us are suffering from that particular handicap. I find your snarkiness seriously irritating. If you want to change someone's mind, this is no way to do it.
I think we're a long way past using facts to change people's minds. One man's fact is another man's #fakenews. People can go ahead and believe whatever they want to believe. Snarkiness doesn't change what happened, but if it makes you like me less and liking me less helps you discredit what I said, and discrediting what I said helps you get to a point where facts become more malleable, then I wouldn't dream of interrupting you in your descent into doublethink.
I have no interest in this narrative that Trump voters were somehow compelled to support Trump, despite the immense weight of obvious reasons not to, due to the adversarial ideas from the other side. If someone says that what you're doing is stupid and you choose to do it anyway as a way of getting back at those educated liberal elitists who think they're so smart, well, you're not proving anyone wrong. People need to own your their idiocy. Don't try blaming the snarkiness of the messenger for failing to change your mind. If people want to dismiss the facts then they're free to go ahead, but they're not doing it because of me, they're doing it because they're too insecure to accept that learning requires an acceptance that they don't already know it all.
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On March 03 2017 03:16 xDaunt wrote:
Here's the only question that should concern you at this time: what has Trump actually done (not said) to change Russian/American relations?
And yet this "but what has he/she actually done?" argument was apparently insufficient for Republicans when they were attacking Hillary for foreign contributions to the Clinton Foundation during her time as SoS--even when it could never be demonstrated that said contributions ever resulted in any substantive change in policy under her control within the State department.
I'm gonna agree with Plansix and LL here. Hillary set the bar for us to get this low, but this is really just the Democrats responding in kind to the years of bullshit they put up with from the Republicans. It's sure to be an entertaining couple months, as it's always interesting to see the mental gymnastics politicians go through to hide their hypocrisy.
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On March 03 2017 03:26 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 03:17 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On March 03 2017 03:14 KwarK wrote:On March 03 2017 03:03 xDaunt wrote:No fucking shit they are overplaying their hand. This is #fakenews in action for all of the reasons that I detailed last night. And the insidious effect of it is obvious for all to see. People are reading the first 2-3 paragraphs of that shitty WashPo article and presuming that there's a huge problem without really digging into the rest of the article where the shortcomings of the narrative become brutally apparent. And don't for a moment think that the timing of this article wasn't deliberate. This #fakenews narrative was launched precisely to derail Trump's momentum from his speech on Tuesday. 1) Sessions, part of the Trump election campaign chose to have a private meeting with Russian intelligence. 2) Russian intelligence chose to actively intervene in the US election to favour the Trump campaign. 3) The Trump administration then sacrificed American geopolitical interests to offer concessions to Russia. 4) Sessions stated "I did not have communications with the Russians", a statement which can be demonstrated not to be true by the fact that he held a private meeting with Russian intelligence. Those four are established facts. I know you struggle a lot with facts these days but not all of us are suffering from that particular handicap. I find your snarkiness seriously irritating. If you want to change someone's mind, this is no way to do it. I think we're a long way past using facts to change people's minds. One man's fact is another man's #fakenews. You go ahead and believe whatever you want to believe. Snarkiness doesn't change what happened, but if it makes you like me less and liking me less helps you discredit what I said, and discrediting what I said helps you get to a point where facts become more malleable, then I wouldn't dream of interrupting you in your descent into doublethink. I have no interest in this narrative that Trump voters were somehow compelled to support Trump, despite the immense weight of obvious reasons not to, due to the adversarial ideas from the other side. If someone says that what you're doing is stupid and you choose to do it anyway as a way of getting back at those educated liberal elitists who think they're so smart, well, you're not proving anyone wrong. You get to own your own idiocy. Don't try blaming me or my snarkiness for failing to change your mind. If you want to dismiss the facts then go ahead, but you're not doing it because of me, you're doing it because you're too insecure to accept that learning requires an acceptance that you don't already know it all.
Have you read a single post of mine in the last 3 pages? I am pretty much doing the exact opposite of "Dismissing those facts" you and I have been bringing up repeatedly.
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On March 03 2017 03:24 TheLordofAwesome wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 03:22 Gorsameth wrote:On March 03 2017 03:17 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On March 03 2017 03:14 KwarK wrote:On March 03 2017 03:03 xDaunt wrote:No fucking shit they are overplaying their hand. This is #fakenews in action for all of the reasons that I detailed last night. And the insidious effect of it is obvious for all to see. People are reading the first 2-3 paragraphs of that shitty WashPo article and presuming that there's a huge problem without really digging into the rest of the article where the shortcomings of the narrative become brutally apparent. And don't for a moment think that the timing of this article wasn't deliberate. This #fakenews narrative was launched precisely to derail Trump's momentum from his speech on Tuesday. 1) Sessions, part of the Trump election campaign chose to have a private meeting with Russian intelligence. 2) Russian intelligence chose to actively intervene in the US election to favour the Trump campaign. 3) The Trump administration then sacrificed American geopolitical interests to offer concessions to Russia. 4) Sessions stated "I did not have communications with the Russians", a statement which can be demonstrated not to be true by the fact that he held a private meeting with Russian intelligence. Those four are established facts. I know you struggle a lot with facts these days but not all of us are suffering from that particular handicap. I find your snarkiness seriously irritating. If you want to change someone's mind, this is no way to do it. xDaunts mind cannot be changed (same for LL). This thread is not so much for discussion and changing people's minds, its to contain the 2 sides yelling at each other to a single thread so it does not spread across TL. KwarK is a moderator. I would hope that he would hold himself to higher standard of discourse instead of actively dragging others down into the muck.
None of us can report Xdaunt's worst posts, so it evens out. The two immortals, snarking it out until the end of this thread.
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On March 03 2017 03:21 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 03:18 TheYango wrote:On March 03 2017 03:11 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
(for you lefties, Putin would have had all illegal business conducted via Clinton's email server to blackmail her with, at minimum. Clinton sucks just as hard here.) Very few people would deny that, but as I've said before, Clinton is not our president. Trump is our president. And I care very little about holding him to the standard of a disgraced presidential loser. GH is right though: the presence of Hillary as the utterly electable candidate she was normalizes retardedly bad behavior in the government. Having a nominee, or president or cabinet, under constant federal investigation ain't no thing anymore.
at least it's still better than some of the state governments. illinois had 4 of its last 7 governors go to prison, (admittedly one of those was for crimes after their tenure as governor rather than during.
but geez, half your governors convicted of misconduct in office is kinda worse.
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On March 03 2017 03:28 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 03:16 xDaunt wrote:
Here's the only question that should concern you at this time: what has Trump actually done (not said) to change Russian/American relations? And yet this "but what has he/she actually done?" argument was apparently insufficient for Republicans when they were attacking Hillary for foreign contributions to the Clinton Foundation during her time as SoS--even when it could never be demonstrated that said contributions ever resulted in any substantive change in policy under her control within the State department. I'm gonna agree with Plansix and LL here. Hillary set the bar for us to get this low, but this is really just the Democrats responding in kind to the years of bullshit they put up with from the Republicans.
The FBI was and possibly still is investigating the Clinton Foundation.
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And I'm glad the democrats are doing so, they have the right, after these bullshit past 6 years the republicans put us through in congress. I consider myself an independent with views on both sides of the spectrum. I do not care for Hillary or Trump, what I do care for though is my country, so before you start calling me a "liberal alt left"...
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On March 03 2017 03:30 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2017 03:24 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On March 03 2017 03:22 Gorsameth wrote:On March 03 2017 03:17 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On March 03 2017 03:14 KwarK wrote:On March 03 2017 03:03 xDaunt wrote:No fucking shit they are overplaying their hand. This is #fakenews in action for all of the reasons that I detailed last night. And the insidious effect of it is obvious for all to see. People are reading the first 2-3 paragraphs of that shitty WashPo article and presuming that there's a huge problem without really digging into the rest of the article where the shortcomings of the narrative become brutally apparent. And don't for a moment think that the timing of this article wasn't deliberate. This #fakenews narrative was launched precisely to derail Trump's momentum from his speech on Tuesday. 1) Sessions, part of the Trump election campaign chose to have a private meeting with Russian intelligence. 2) Russian intelligence chose to actively intervene in the US election to favour the Trump campaign. 3) The Trump administration then sacrificed American geopolitical interests to offer concessions to Russia. 4) Sessions stated "I did not have communications with the Russians", a statement which can be demonstrated not to be true by the fact that he held a private meeting with Russian intelligence. Those four are established facts. I know you struggle a lot with facts these days but not all of us are suffering from that particular handicap. I find your snarkiness seriously irritating. If you want to change someone's mind, this is no way to do it. xDaunts mind cannot be changed (same for LL). This thread is not so much for discussion and changing people's minds, its to contain the 2 sides yelling at each other to a single thread so it does not spread across TL. KwarK is a moderator. I would hope that he would hold himself to higher standard of discourse instead of actively dragging others down into the muck. None of us can report Xdaunt's worst posts, so it evens out. The two immortals, snarking it out until the end of this thread.
You can report Xdaunt's posts, and could do that for a few months now.
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