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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23221 Posts
On February 26 2017 05:25 Nevuk wrote: Perez has been chosen as DNC chair Can't be surprised, just impressed by their hubris. Perez literally has no idea how to even hold a meeting. Like how did that happen? | ||
LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Well it's certainly their party, their choice. As I said I don't really care either way. But they sent the wrong message here and I'm amazed they don't see that yet. | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23221 Posts
On February 26 2017 05:38 Plansix wrote: Ellison is deputy chair. Which is meaningless, otherwise Perez would be deputy chair. | ||
Mohdoo
United States15686 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23221 Posts
On February 26 2017 05:48 Mohdoo wrote: Perez advocates, what benefit do we have with Perez as the chair rather than deputy chair? None. Absolutely none. Though I'm certainly looking forward to them trying to finally come up with something. Also people here know how embarrassing it should be that the new Chair of the DNC doesn't know Robert's Rules, that's an impressive feat of ignorance for such a position. That has literally never happened before (where a party chair didn't know basic rules of order). | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 26 2017 05:48 Mohdoo wrote: Perez advocates, what benefit do we have with Perez as the chair rather than deputy chair? The confidence of all the people who voted for him. The same rules apply if Ellison won, half the party would be disappointed. | ||
GreenHorizons
United States23221 Posts
On February 26 2017 05:56 Plansix wrote: The confidence of all the people who voted for him. The same rules apply if Ellison won, half the party would be disappointed. They would have been disappointed, and then what? They would have unified and voted unanimously by acclimation for Ellison. Trying to make it like it is the same is far to off-the-mark for you not to know that you're being silly. But is that the best Perez supporters have? I'm sure Kwiz has a page long explanation of the benefits to having Perez as chair instead of deputy chair? | ||
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
'This is not the truth we want. Go away with these facts and make up new ones. We can't outright make bad decisions, just tell us it's good so we can blame you if all goes wrong' Or another case of ' it doesn't matter what the facts are it matters how people feel' | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 26 2017 06:01 GreenHorizons wrote: They would have been disappointed, and then what? They would have unified and voted unanimously by acclimation for Ellison. Trying to make it like it is the same is far to off-the-mark for you not to know that you're being silly. But is that the best Perez supporters have? I'm sure Kwiz has a page long explanation of the benefits to having Perez as chair instead of deputy chair? I always love how you insist that everyone will fall in line when you are completely unwilling to do it yourself. | ||
ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On February 26 2017 05:48 Mohdoo wrote: Perez advocates, what benefit do we have with Perez as the chair rather than deputy chair? i was never more than about 55/45 in favor of perez, but the rabid insistence by some that ellison is somehow necessary did drive me to take sides a little more. i don't see the point of making this as a battle for the soul of the left or whatever. it pretty much shook out how i expected, perez wins and ellison is made deputy chair, the only difference being i called him vice chair. i suppose we get the benefit of the angry bernistas and true progressives taking their ball and going home. oh who am i kidding, they'll be around to bother us about how keith ellison was one of their key conditions to possibly helping out the establishment dems who just dont get it. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17983 Posts
On February 25 2017 02:03 eviltomahawk wrote: Not the first time of an attack in America for mistaken identity. Reminds of when a Chinese man was mistaken as Japanese and got beaten and killed by disgruntled unemployed auto-workers who were mad at Japanese auto-makers for ultimately causing them to get laid off. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Vincent_Chin It's always disappointing when innocents accidentally get caught in incidents of racial tension. I just hope every incident wakes up the public enough that they become less and less common. Because if the victim had actually been Japanese (in your case; ME in the recent case) he would have somehow been less innocent? Hate crimes are hate crimes... whether they *get* the right or wrong target is irrelevant: someone innocent is getting hurt... | ||
GreenHorizons
United States23221 Posts
On February 26 2017 06:08 Plansix wrote: I always love how you insist that everyone will fall in line when you are completely unwilling to do it yourself. Yeah, how stupid of me to think that Hillary supporters were sincere with their calls for unity? I insist they will "fall in line" because "falling in line" was their goddamned idea. | ||
Simberto
Germany11507 Posts
On February 26 2017 06:14 Acrofales wrote: Because if the victim had actually been Japanese (in your case; ME in the recent case) he would have somehow been less innocent? Hate crimes are hate crimes... whether they *get* the right or wrong target is irrelevant: someone innocent is getting hurt... I think the main point in pointing out that they got the wrong person is to show off just how stupid these criminals are. They hate some people enough to kill them, but don't know enough about them to even identify them correctly. (Though in this cases the added stupidity of telling a random barkeeper "I just murdered two guys and need to hide" takes the crown) Of course the whole situation is more sad than funny. | ||
DarkPlasmaBall
United States44314 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On February 26 2017 06:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Is there a significant difference between "Perez then Ellison" and "Ellison then Perez"? It seems like they were equally supported and don't have hugely differing views, afaik. I see their willingness to work together as a great benefit for the DNC. One of them was endorsed by Bernie. | ||
GreenHorizons
United States23221 Posts
On February 26 2017 06:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Is there a significant difference between "Perez then Ellison" and "Ellison then Perez"? It seems like they were equally supported and don't have hugely differing views, afaik. I see their willingness to work together as a great benefit for the DNC. The significant difference was in how it would be percieved. Ellison wins, no big deal for Hillary supporters he said enough of what they wanted on corporate donations and such (for the people who voted) and the rest of her supporters didn't care one way or the other (except for ones who saw this as a proxy fight with Bernie). Perez wins and Democrats just kissed off upwards of 5 out of 10 millennials and a whole hell of a lot of other people. | ||
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