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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 06 2017 21:55 GMT
#135641
that story is pretty funny, primarily because 'fully briefing trump' on the nsc is rather difficult. you'd need to explain what the nsc is, why it's a big deal etc.

it's not that it's unbelievable that trump wasn't fully briefed on something like that, but it's so obviously true that you'd expect the story to be motivated, perhaps to deflect blame or target bannon.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 06 2017 21:59 GMT
#135642
On February 07 2017 06:49 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2017 06:37 oBlade wrote:
On February 07 2017 05:41 Doodsmack wrote:
On February 07 2017 04:01 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
......

Amid signs that Donald Trump began his presidency with the same chaotic operation that marked his campaign, a report has claimed he was not even aware he was elevating Steve Bannon to a senior security post when he signed one of several executive orders.

Since Mr Trump’s inauguration on January 20, reports have emerged of a White House West Wing marked by confusion and unpreparedness - alongside intense turf battles being fought by his top officials.

One of the results of this has been a number of leaks from the White House, about the various maneuverings of such top officials, and their varying ascendance and descent.

A report in in the New York Times, which paints a picture of chief-of-staff Reince Priebus trying to assert greater control, says he has set in place a set of checks and processes before new policies and Executive Orders are issued. This was done following the backlash over the haphazard and chaotic rollout of the order halting the refugee programme and suspending travel for people from seven Middle Eastern and North African countries.

It said Mr Trump would be looped in on the drafting of orders much earlier in the process. Remarkably, the report says, Mr Trump was not fully briefed on details of the order he signed giving his chief strategist, Mr Bannon, a seat on the National Security Council.


Source


All very predictable. I wonder how many of his supporters are even aware though.

We're not that bothered by political theater anonymous reports about how they can't get the lights on and that Bannon is the white nationalist (thanks Independent) antichrist puppetmaster.

Yeah, I suspect that there's a lot of bullshit in those stories. I think that they're hammering on the wrong story, though. What they should be talking about is the dysfunction between Trump and the GOP on Capitol Hill.

I too would prefer to hear more about that dysfunction. anything in particular on that in the past few days?
how're they doing on their legislative goals and programs?
negotiations on the wall? or just whatever you've heard on that topic.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
February 06 2017 21:59 GMT
#135643
On February 07 2017 06:37 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2017 05:41 Doodsmack wrote:
On February 07 2017 04:01 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
......

Amid signs that Donald Trump began his presidency with the same chaotic operation that marked his campaign, a report has claimed he was not even aware he was elevating Steve Bannon to a senior security post when he signed one of several executive orders.

Since Mr Trump’s inauguration on January 20, reports have emerged of a White House West Wing marked by confusion and unpreparedness - alongside intense turf battles being fought by his top officials.

One of the results of this has been a number of leaks from the White House, about the various maneuverings of such top officials, and their varying ascendance and descent.

A report in in the New York Times, which paints a picture of chief-of-staff Reince Priebus trying to assert greater control, says he has set in place a set of checks and processes before new policies and Executive Orders are issued. This was done following the backlash over the haphazard and chaotic rollout of the order halting the refugee programme and suspending travel for people from seven Middle Eastern and North African countries.

It said Mr Trump would be looped in on the drafting of orders much earlier in the process. Remarkably, the report says, Mr Trump was not fully briefed on details of the order he signed giving his chief strategist, Mr Bannon, a seat on the National Security Council.


Source


All very predictable. I wonder how many of his supporters are even aware though.

We're not that bothered by political theater anonymous reports about how they can't get the lights on and that Bannon is the white nationalist (thanks Independent) antichrist puppetmaster.


The turf battles and hands-off approach from Trump are pretty clear and they matter. It would appear that you are truly not aware of the reality because you choose to disbelieve it.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
February 06 2017 22:03 GMT
#135644
A straight up lie lol

President Trump’s first speech to active duty troops since taking office went much the same way his first speech to CIA officers went.

...

Speaking at MacDill Air Force Base in Florida on Monday, Trump gave an abbreviated history of terrorist attacks, from 9/11 to the Paris nightclub attacks to the truck massacre in Nice.

“It’s gotten to a point where it’s not even being reported. And in many cases the very, very dishonest press doesn’t want to report it. They have their reasons, and you understand that,” he said. He offered no evidence for the accusation, which flies in the face of round-the-clock news coverage of terrorist violence. But one of his senior advisers has repeatedly referred to a Bowling Green, Ky., terrorist attack that did not happen.


Yahoo
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-06 22:11:26
February 06 2017 22:09 GMT
#135645
The original NYT article from whence sprang the "Trump didn't read the NSC EO" stuff (which was barely a footnote in the original article) spent a lot more time on the Priebus vs. Trump staff situation that was pretty informative. Priebus is pretty much the GOP's biggest ally in the Trump administration, after all, and he's supposedly making a major push to try to stop the "make an executive order ASAP without running it by anyone" attitude.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5863 Posts
February 06 2017 22:34 GMT
#135646
On February 07 2017 06:59 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2017 06:37 oBlade wrote:
On February 07 2017 05:41 Doodsmack wrote:
On February 07 2017 04:01 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
......

Amid signs that Donald Trump began his presidency with the same chaotic operation that marked his campaign, a report has claimed he was not even aware he was elevating Steve Bannon to a senior security post when he signed one of several executive orders.

Since Mr Trump’s inauguration on January 20, reports have emerged of a White House West Wing marked by confusion and unpreparedness - alongside intense turf battles being fought by his top officials.

One of the results of this has been a number of leaks from the White House, about the various maneuverings of such top officials, and their varying ascendance and descent.

A report in in the New York Times, which paints a picture of chief-of-staff Reince Priebus trying to assert greater control, says he has set in place a set of checks and processes before new policies and Executive Orders are issued. This was done following the backlash over the haphazard and chaotic rollout of the order halting the refugee programme and suspending travel for people from seven Middle Eastern and North African countries.

It said Mr Trump would be looped in on the drafting of orders much earlier in the process. Remarkably, the report says, Mr Trump was not fully briefed on details of the order he signed giving his chief strategist, Mr Bannon, a seat on the National Security Council.


Source


All very predictable. I wonder how many of his supporters are even aware though.

We're not that bothered by political theater anonymous reports about how they can't get the lights on and that Bannon is the white nationalist (thanks Independent) antichrist puppetmaster.


The turf battles and hands-off approach from Trump are pretty clear and they matter. It would appear that you are truly not aware of the reality because you choose to disbelieve it.

No, it's just on my planet this reduces to the fact that a bunch of people who have never been president before are figuring out their system for being president, which happens every 8 years or so. What do hands-off and hands-on approaches look like and why should I be worried?
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
February 06 2017 23:03 GMT
#135647
On February 07 2017 07:34 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2017 06:59 Doodsmack wrote:
On February 07 2017 06:37 oBlade wrote:
On February 07 2017 05:41 Doodsmack wrote:
On February 07 2017 04:01 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
......

Amid signs that Donald Trump began his presidency with the same chaotic operation that marked his campaign, a report has claimed he was not even aware he was elevating Steve Bannon to a senior security post when he signed one of several executive orders.

Since Mr Trump’s inauguration on January 20, reports have emerged of a White House West Wing marked by confusion and unpreparedness - alongside intense turf battles being fought by his top officials.

One of the results of this has been a number of leaks from the White House, about the various maneuverings of such top officials, and their varying ascendance and descent.

A report in in the New York Times, which paints a picture of chief-of-staff Reince Priebus trying to assert greater control, says he has set in place a set of checks and processes before new policies and Executive Orders are issued. This was done following the backlash over the haphazard and chaotic rollout of the order halting the refugee programme and suspending travel for people from seven Middle Eastern and North African countries.

It said Mr Trump would be looped in on the drafting of orders much earlier in the process. Remarkably, the report says, Mr Trump was not fully briefed on details of the order he signed giving his chief strategist, Mr Bannon, a seat on the National Security Council.


Source


All very predictable. I wonder how many of his supporters are even aware though.

We're not that bothered by political theater anonymous reports about how they can't get the lights on and that Bannon is the white nationalist (thanks Independent) antichrist puppetmaster.


The turf battles and hands-off approach from Trump are pretty clear and they matter. It would appear that you are truly not aware of the reality because you choose to disbelieve it.

No, it's just on my planet this reduces to the fact that a bunch of people who have never been president before are figuring out their system for being president, which happens every 8 years or so. What do hands-off and hands-on approaches look like and why should I be worried?


Why would that happen every 8 years? Most people who enter the office have relevant experience in a similar position (including possibly having worked in the White House).
Logo
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
February 06 2017 23:08 GMT
#135648
Do the staff of the White House even transition out whenever a new President is elected? I would've thought the janitors, facilities, etc. would have been there for decades.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
February 06 2017 23:10 GMT
#135649
Generally, when someone gets a new job they 1) understand what the job will require of them and 2) take some time to know what they can and can't do at their new job.

It is not really surprising that someone who has never gotten a new job a la Trump would not have done 1) or 2), but it does not bode well for his job performance.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 06 2017 23:20 GMT
#135650
i mean, there's a thing called the presidential transition. you can be really good and pass classes without going to lecture, but when you fail it's on you.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5863 Posts
February 06 2017 23:21 GMT
#135651
On February 07 2017 08:03 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2017 07:34 oBlade wrote:
On February 07 2017 06:59 Doodsmack wrote:
On February 07 2017 06:37 oBlade wrote:
On February 07 2017 05:41 Doodsmack wrote:
On February 07 2017 04:01 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
......

Amid signs that Donald Trump began his presidency with the same chaotic operation that marked his campaign, a report has claimed he was not even aware he was elevating Steve Bannon to a senior security post when he signed one of several executive orders.

Since Mr Trump’s inauguration on January 20, reports have emerged of a White House West Wing marked by confusion and unpreparedness - alongside intense turf battles being fought by his top officials.

One of the results of this has been a number of leaks from the White House, about the various maneuverings of such top officials, and their varying ascendance and descent.

A report in in the New York Times, which paints a picture of chief-of-staff Reince Priebus trying to assert greater control, says he has set in place a set of checks and processes before new policies and Executive Orders are issued. This was done following the backlash over the haphazard and chaotic rollout of the order halting the refugee programme and suspending travel for people from seven Middle Eastern and North African countries.

It said Mr Trump would be looped in on the drafting of orders much earlier in the process. Remarkably, the report says, Mr Trump was not fully briefed on details of the order he signed giving his chief strategist, Mr Bannon, a seat on the National Security Council.


Source


All very predictable. I wonder how many of his supporters are even aware though.

We're not that bothered by political theater anonymous reports about how they can't get the lights on and that Bannon is the white nationalist (thanks Independent) antichrist puppetmaster.


The turf battles and hands-off approach from Trump are pretty clear and they matter. It would appear that you are truly not aware of the reality because you choose to disbelieve it.

No, it's just on my planet this reduces to the fact that a bunch of people who have never been president before are figuring out their system for being president, which happens every 8 years or so. What do hands-off and hands-on approaches look like and why should I be worried?


Why would that happen every 8 years? Most people who enter the office have relevant experience in a similar position (including possibly having worked in the White House).

Because there isn't a formula from God that controls how to be president, where you just fill in yourself in the blank, and everything goes swimmingly. It's a totally human affair, and so it's up to the people involved to figure out what they'll do with it.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 06 2017 23:36 GMT
#135652
On February 07 2017 08:08 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Do the staff of the White House even transition out whenever a new President is elected? I would've thought the janitors, facilities, etc. would have been there for decades.

the janitorial staff and such just work there and stay there.
but stuff like political posts, including stuff like personal secretaries/assistants all rotate out.

there were some good pieces in Time magazine a bit ago that covered who stayed and who left, and had a bunch of advice/tips from prior teams.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 06 2017 23:38 GMT
#135653
good reading piece,
http://www.yalelawjournal.org/article/amazons-antitrust-paradox
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
February 07 2017 00:12 GMT
#135654
On February 07 2017 07:34 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2017 06:59 Doodsmack wrote:
On February 07 2017 06:37 oBlade wrote:
On February 07 2017 05:41 Doodsmack wrote:
On February 07 2017 04:01 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
......

Amid signs that Donald Trump began his presidency with the same chaotic operation that marked his campaign, a report has claimed he was not even aware he was elevating Steve Bannon to a senior security post when he signed one of several executive orders.

Since Mr Trump’s inauguration on January 20, reports have emerged of a White House West Wing marked by confusion and unpreparedness - alongside intense turf battles being fought by his top officials.

One of the results of this has been a number of leaks from the White House, about the various maneuverings of such top officials, and their varying ascendance and descent.

A report in in the New York Times, which paints a picture of chief-of-staff Reince Priebus trying to assert greater control, says he has set in place a set of checks and processes before new policies and Executive Orders are issued. This was done following the backlash over the haphazard and chaotic rollout of the order halting the refugee programme and suspending travel for people from seven Middle Eastern and North African countries.

It said Mr Trump would be looped in on the drafting of orders much earlier in the process. Remarkably, the report says, Mr Trump was not fully briefed on details of the order he signed giving his chief strategist, Mr Bannon, a seat on the National Security Council.


Source


All very predictable. I wonder how many of his supporters are even aware though.

We're not that bothered by political theater anonymous reports about how they can't get the lights on and that Bannon is the white nationalist (thanks Independent) antichrist puppetmaster.


The turf battles and hands-off approach from Trump are pretty clear and they matter. It would appear that you are truly not aware of the reality because you choose to disbelieve it.

No, it's just on my planet this reduces to the fact that a bunch of people who have never been president before are figuring out their system for being president, which happens every 8 years or so. What do hands-off and hands-on approaches look like and why should I be worried?


I think it fits a pattern that Trump does not have focus or interest, and so it's extremely hands off and chaotic. There are lots of reports about this and it didn't start when he took office. This results in a power struggle immediately underneath him. He stumbled across the finish line of the campaign with crutches. He's simply not a very competent leader - just a TV man with a simple message.

I guess time will tell more so than anything, though.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
February 07 2017 01:38 GMT
#135655
Since we were speaking about leaks, the NOAA
The Mail on Sunday today reveals astonishing evidence that the organisation that is the world’s leading source of climate data rushed to publish a landmark paper that exaggerated global warming and was timed to influence the historic Paris Agreement on climate change.

A high-level whistleblower has told this newspaper that America’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) breached its own rules on scientific integrity when it published the sensational but flawed report, aimed at making the maximum possible impact on world leaders including Barack Obama and David Cameron at the UN climate conference in Paris in 2015.

The report claimed that the ‘pause’ or ‘slowdown’ in global warming in the period since 1998 – revealed by UN scientists in 2013 – never existed, and that world temperatures had been rising faster than scientists expected. Launched by NOAA with a public relations fanfare, it was splashed across the world’s media, and cited repeatedly by politicians and policy makers.

But the whistleblower, Dr John Bates, a top NOAA scientist with an impeccable reputation, has shown The Mail on Sunday irrefutable evidence that the paper was based on misleading, ‘unverified’ data.

Daily Mail

Frankly embarrassing for such an organization and the environmental cause of such attention these days.

A trio of Republican senators reacted sharply Sunday to President Trump’s latest apparent defense of Russian President Vladimir Putin, rejecting Trump’s suggestion in an interview that America cannot claim moral superiority to Putin’s Russia.

Trump’s remarks came in an interview with Fox News Channel’s Bill O’Reilly that was previewed Saturday and is set to be broadcast in full Sunday evening before the Super Bowl. In the clip, Trump repeated his past praise for Putin, saying, “It’s better to get along with Russia than not,” which prompted O’Reilly to press him: “But he’s a killer, though. Putin’s a killer.”

“There are a lot of killers,” Trump said. “We’ve got a lot of killers. What do you think? Our country’s so innocent?”

Congressional Republicans have broken with Trump over dozens of controversial statements he has made during his campaign, his transition and now his presidency, but no issue appears to have flummoxed lawmakers as much as his consistent defense of Putin. Trump’s coziness is at odds with years of GOP foreign-policy orthodoxy calling for a more aggressive stance toward Putin’s regime.

In a CNN interview Sunday, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) rejected any comparison between the two nations, citing Russia’s annexation of Crimea, its incursions into Ukraine and its interference in the U.S. presidential election.

“I don’t think there’s any equivalency between the way that the Russians conduct themselves and the way the United States does,” he said, adding: “I’m not going to critique the president’s every utterance, but I do think America is exceptional. America is different. We don’t operate in any way the Russians do. I think there’s a clear distinction here that all Americans understand, and no, I would not have characterized it that way.”

WaPo

This kind of love fest between the two heads will hurt Trump's face on the international stage. Of course, the November illegitimacy hysterics of November was a step too far, but Russia still presents a threat to our allies.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 07 2017 01:46 GMT
#135656
a highly concerning noaa issue. I wonder why that guy didn't come forward with the leak sooner though, I mean, if he has the credibility claimed in the article, he should've been able to leak it at the time just as well.
I'll await the rebuttal and further investigations to see what should come of it.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-07 02:00:06
February 07 2017 01:54 GMT
#135657
seems like a cranky dissent on hardware calibration checks

https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/02/article-names-whistleblower-who-told-congress-that-noaa-manipulated-data/

as long as the satellites used were not broken during the duration of the study, a situation that is true if they are not broken as of now, the data should be good
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3292 Posts
February 07 2017 02:06 GMT
#135658
I've consistently heard shitty things about the Daily Mail's reporting. This appears to be no exception.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45253 Posts
February 07 2017 02:14 GMT
#135659
The White House released a formal (bullshit) list of terrorist attacks that they think were covered up by the news. Sigh.

"The list includes major attacks, such as the November 2015 massacre in Paris and mass shootings in San Bernardino, Calif., and Orlando, Fla., that dominated news coverage for weeks."
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/318190-cnn-gets-wh-list-of-terror-attacks-media-ignored
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-07 02:17:03
February 07 2017 02:15 GMT
#135660
One of the (many) scary things about Trump is how he fixates on one number or figure and then reiterates it ad nauseam-like, for example, his 109 people affected by the travel ban figure which, even with the definition he used at the time it was generated, now is more than 109 people (I think 109 was people up until like Saturday evening after the ban or something). But because he only fits the one number in his head, he recited it again Sunday.

Basically, he never updates his information. Ever.
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