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Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
January 13 2017 18:28 GMT
#131261
On January 14 2017 03:23 LegalLord wrote:
The US deeply misunderstood what they were wading into when they went into Iraq. They saw that they were killing it in Afghanistan, doing what the Soviet Union failed to do (that conflict got worse later, but I digress), and they wanted Iraq too. Only later did they find out just how deep a miscalculation that was, at which point it became something of a no-win situation.

Going for it all the way... well, maybe you should have elected John Rambo "we'll stay in Iraq for 100 years" McCain if you wanted that.


Either don't go, don't stay, or annex the country.

The plan they finalized on where they sent in soldiers to stand around and get shot for 10 years before they leave was the worst of all worlds.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
MyTHicaL
Profile Joined November 2005
France1070 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-13 18:35:11
January 13 2017 18:34 GMT
#131262
What the hell do you mean they were killing it in Afghanistan? They failed to do any of their primary objectives there as well. They had no place in that country either. Completely misunderstood the people/culture and tried to impose Western values on a largely proud and tribal nation. Didn't work for the Brits either of the 2 (3) times, didn't work for the soviets, won't work for anyone. Afghans just want to be left alone.. At least the ones I've spoken to.
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
January 13 2017 18:38 GMT
#131263
On January 14 2017 03:34 MyTHicaL wrote:
What the hell do you mean they were killing it in Afghanistan? They failed to do any of their primary objectives there as well. They had no place in that country either. Completely misunderstood the people/culture and tried to impose Western values on a largely proud and tribal nation. Didn't work for the Brits either of the 2 (3) times, didn't work for the soviets, won't work for anyone. Afghans just want to be left alone.. At least the ones I've spoken to.


They mainly spent time bombing caves and doing search expeditions in Afghanistan because they had a mission: search for Bin Laden.

They didn't even have that for Iraq. They literally just sent troops in to die.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
January 13 2017 18:40 GMT
#131264
In the end, people die. My father was part of the Vietnam War and in all honesty we should of never fought that war. People came back fucked up, and still till this day people come back fucked up with no help afterwards. The US Government doesn't give two shits about its own citizens that they have to fight. If they continue to do wars that are just not needed, the people themselves will get tired of it. I'm sad to see so many of my friends who went to Middle East come back with more issues than they already started with.

As time progresses, we keep putting people into power that shouldn't be there. They're only making things worse.
Life?
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
January 13 2017 18:41 GMT
#131265
On January 14 2017 03:34 MyTHicaL wrote:
What the hell do you mean they were killing it in Afghanistan? They failed to do any of their primary objectives there as well. They had no place in that country either. Completely misunderstood the people/culture and tried to impose Western values on a largely proud and tribal nation. Didn't work for the Brits either of the 2 (3) times, didn't work for the soviets, won't work for anyone. Afghans just want to be left alone.. At least the ones I've spoken to.

They had really good results in Afghanistan in 2001 to 2003, with good solid wins against the Taliban. Only later did that one also get worse.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5583 Posts
January 13 2017 18:42 GMT
#131266
On January 14 2017 00:34 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2017 22:31 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On January 13 2017 12:33 Nyxisto wrote:


This woman is apparently going to be "senior director of strategic communications for the National Security Council", please tell me that job is less important than it sounds. The fuck

I facepalmed so hard my hand almost broke.

What the hell!?... I mean, how stupid does one need to be to tweet something like that?


I'm so confuse, I keep trying to make sense of it but it's just stupid all around. It just sound like a troll a democrat would make, if he want to joke about Trump idea... Unless she think the wall of Berlin protected Europe from socialist (And I really can't belive she would be that ignorant). I really don't see how talking about a wall build by communist, universally talk about as a catastrophy and the representation of the fall and defeat of an entire regime is somehow an argument to build another one. I would understand if it was like the Israel wall, even how stupid it is it would make sense since the wall didn't fall


Maybe she was just talking about the drawing on the wall and how it work to make good picture?

The wall did work as far as stopping people from pouring into West Berlin for 30 years. We obviously have moral issues with walls meant to keep people from escaping communist regimes and ones that split a people in half (which should be different from walls that keep people out of someplace), but that's independent from whether it worked. And the wall was opened and came down because the country was reunified, but that's not going to happen with the US and Mexico - they won't be the 51st state or something in 30 years.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
January 13 2017 18:46 GMT
#131267
On January 14 2017 03:40 ShoCkeyy wrote:
In the end, people die. My father was part of the Vietnam War and in all honesty we should of never fought that war. People came back fucked up, and still till this day people come back fucked up with no help afterwards. The US Government doesn't give two shits about its own citizens that they have to fight. If they continue to do wars that are just not needed, the people themselves will get tired of it. I'm sad to see so many of my friends who went to Middle East come back with more issues than they already started with.

As time progresses, we keep putting people into power that shouldn't be there. They're only making things worse.


Amen to that.

The people will die for its country if its a cause worth dying for. Quagmires just destroys any and all desire to want to be loyal to your country. Its why Iraq and Vietnam stick in our heads so much compared to Korea, the Philippines, Afghanistan. All those had goals, no matter how dumb, that we could use as a metric for success. Get ___ guy, defend ___ people.

But quagmires where we just send guys to sit around and wait in deserts and jungles to be shot at for years at a time. That just eats at me so much it makes me want to puke just thinking about it.

And the fact that the US doesn't give 2 shits about helping them when they get home is one of the biggest travesties in american policy making.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17983 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-13 18:50:02
January 13 2017 18:49 GMT
#131268
On January 14 2017 03:42 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2017 00:34 Nakajin wrote:
On January 13 2017 22:31 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On January 13 2017 12:33 Nyxisto wrote:
https://twitter.com/MonicaCrowley/status/651043858541879296

This woman is apparently going to be "senior director of strategic communications for the National Security Council", please tell me that job is less important than it sounds. The fuck

I facepalmed so hard my hand almost broke.

What the hell!?... I mean, how stupid does one need to be to tweet something like that?


I'm so confuse, I keep trying to make sense of it but it's just stupid all around. It just sound like a troll a democrat would make, if he want to joke about Trump idea... Unless she think the wall of Berlin protected Europe from socialist (And I really can't belive she would be that ignorant). I really don't see how talking about a wall build by communist, universally talk about as a catastrophy and the representation of the fall and defeat of an entire regime is somehow an argument to build another one. I would understand if it was like the Israel wall, even how stupid it is it would make sense since the wall didn't fall


Maybe she was just talking about the drawing on the wall and how it work to make good picture?

The wall did work as far as stopping people from pouring into West Berlin for 30 years. We obviously have moral issues with walls meant to keep people from escaping communist regimes and ones that split a people in half (which should be different from walls that keep people out of someplace), but that's independent from whether it worked. And the wall was opened and came down because the country was reunified, but that's not going to happen with the US and Mexico - they won't be the 51st state or something in 30 years.


You know why the wall worked? Because it had a fucking guard tower every 100 meters with people shooting anybody who attempted to get over/under the wall. Are you planning to just build a wall? Or man it with guard towers every 100 meters? I believe that's 32,000 guard towers. Allowing 8 hour shifts, that's 100,000 guards. That alone is 4x the size of the current Border Patrol.

I'm sure that's realistic. Let alone the human rights violations of shooting anybody who comes near the wall. Or are you claiming the moral lowground of Communist Germany?
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States1452 Posts
January 13 2017 18:50 GMT
#131269
The vast majority of ordinary folk don't want to fight any wars except strictly defensively or to prevent some kind of genocide.

Unfortunately the military-industrial-Congressional complex has more power than ordinary folk, so America's been bombing liberally for the past hundred years.
2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 was the greatest tournament of all time
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5583 Posts
January 13 2017 18:55 GMT
#131270
On January 14 2017 03:49 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2017 03:42 oBlade wrote:
On January 14 2017 00:34 Nakajin wrote:
On January 13 2017 22:31 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On January 13 2017 12:33 Nyxisto wrote:
https://twitter.com/MonicaCrowley/status/651043858541879296

This woman is apparently going to be "senior director of strategic communications for the National Security Council", please tell me that job is less important than it sounds. The fuck

I facepalmed so hard my hand almost broke.

What the hell!?... I mean, how stupid does one need to be to tweet something like that?


I'm so confuse, I keep trying to make sense of it but it's just stupid all around. It just sound like a troll a democrat would make, if he want to joke about Trump idea... Unless she think the wall of Berlin protected Europe from socialist (And I really can't belive she would be that ignorant). I really don't see how talking about a wall build by communist, universally talk about as a catastrophy and the representation of the fall and defeat of an entire regime is somehow an argument to build another one. I would understand if it was like the Israel wall, even how stupid it is it would make sense since the wall didn't fall


Maybe she was just talking about the drawing on the wall and how it work to make good picture?

The wall did work as far as stopping people from pouring into West Berlin for 30 years. We obviously have moral issues with walls meant to keep people from escaping communist regimes and ones that split a people in half (which should be different from walls that keep people out of someplace), but that's independent from whether it worked. And the wall was opened and came down because the country was reunified, but that's not going to happen with the US and Mexico - they won't be the 51st state or something in 30 years.


You know why the wall worked? Because it had a fucking guard tower every 100 meters with people shooting anybody who attempted to get over/under the wall. Are you planning to just build a wall? Or man it with guard towers every 100 meters? I believe that's 32,000 guard towers. Allowing 8 hour shifts, that's 100,000 guards. That alone is 4x the size of the current Border Patrol.

I'm sure that's realistic. Let alone the human rights violations of shooting anybody who comes near the wall. Or are you claiming the moral lowground of Communist Germany?

It's not the 60s anymore, I'm sure you can do remote/electronic monitoring.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
January 13 2017 18:59 GMT
#131271
On January 14 2017 03:55 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2017 03:49 Acrofales wrote:
On January 14 2017 03:42 oBlade wrote:
On January 14 2017 00:34 Nakajin wrote:
On January 13 2017 22:31 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On January 13 2017 12:33 Nyxisto wrote:
https://twitter.com/MonicaCrowley/status/651043858541879296

This woman is apparently going to be "senior director of strategic communications for the National Security Council", please tell me that job is less important than it sounds. The fuck

I facepalmed so hard my hand almost broke.

What the hell!?... I mean, how stupid does one need to be to tweet something like that?


I'm so confuse, I keep trying to make sense of it but it's just stupid all around. It just sound like a troll a democrat would make, if he want to joke about Trump idea... Unless she think the wall of Berlin protected Europe from socialist (And I really can't belive she would be that ignorant). I really don't see how talking about a wall build by communist, universally talk about as a catastrophy and the representation of the fall and defeat of an entire regime is somehow an argument to build another one. I would understand if it was like the Israel wall, even how stupid it is it would make sense since the wall didn't fall


Maybe she was just talking about the drawing on the wall and how it work to make good picture?

The wall did work as far as stopping people from pouring into West Berlin for 30 years. We obviously have moral issues with walls meant to keep people from escaping communist regimes and ones that split a people in half (which should be different from walls that keep people out of someplace), but that's independent from whether it worked. And the wall was opened and came down because the country was reunified, but that's not going to happen with the US and Mexico - they won't be the 51st state or something in 30 years.


You know why the wall worked? Because it had a fucking guard tower every 100 meters with people shooting anybody who attempted to get over/under the wall. Are you planning to just build a wall? Or man it with guard towers every 100 meters? I believe that's 32,000 guard towers. Allowing 8 hour shifts, that's 100,000 guards. That alone is 4x the size of the current Border Patrol.

I'm sure that's realistic. Let alone the human rights violations of shooting anybody who comes near the wall. Or are you claiming the moral lowground of Communist Germany?

It's not the 60s anymore, I'm sure you can do remote/electronic monitoring.


The camera sees X guys with masks get over the wall. Who do you send to that remote part of wherever? Do you start just rounding up all mexicans within 100 miles of that wall? What if it was white people from Europe immigrating through mexico while wearing masks knowing that the US would just assumed Ski-Masked mexicans were the culprits?
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21668 Posts
January 13 2017 18:59 GMT
#131272
On January 14 2017 03:42 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2017 00:34 Nakajin wrote:
On January 13 2017 22:31 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On January 13 2017 12:33 Nyxisto wrote:
https://twitter.com/MonicaCrowley/status/651043858541879296

This woman is apparently going to be "senior director of strategic communications for the National Security Council", please tell me that job is less important than it sounds. The fuck

I facepalmed so hard my hand almost broke.

What the hell!?... I mean, how stupid does one need to be to tweet something like that?


I'm so confuse, I keep trying to make sense of it but it's just stupid all around. It just sound like a troll a democrat would make, if he want to joke about Trump idea... Unless she think the wall of Berlin protected Europe from socialist (And I really can't belive she would be that ignorant). I really don't see how talking about a wall build by communist, universally talk about as a catastrophy and the representation of the fall and defeat of an entire regime is somehow an argument to build another one. I would understand if it was like the Israel wall, even how stupid it is it would make sense since the wall didn't fall


Maybe she was just talking about the drawing on the wall and how it work to make good picture?

The wall did work as far as stopping people from pouring into West Berlin for 30 years. We obviously have moral issues with walls meant to keep people from escaping communist regimes and ones that split a people in half (which should be different from walls that keep people out of someplace), but that's independent from whether it worked. And the wall was opened and came down because the country was reunified, but that's not going to happen with the US and Mexico - they won't be the 51st state or something in 30 years.

The wall did very little.

The guards shooting anyone who tried to cross did most of the work.
Are you going to shoot everyone who tries to go around/under/over the wall?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-13 19:04:45
January 13 2017 19:02 GMT
#131273
I'm more concerned with the continued insistence that Mexico will pay for it. Has any country ever did a major project like this and somehow gotten a different country to pay for it? Because that seems like suicide from a world diplomacy perspective.
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
January 13 2017 19:04 GMT
#131274
On January 14 2017 04:02 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
I'm more concerned with the continued insistence that Mexico will pay for it. Has any country ever did a major project like this and somehow gotten a different country to pay for it? Because that seems like suicide from a world diplomacy perspective.


America rebuilds other country's infrastructure all the time. America usually was the one that blew it up, but if you ignore that part....
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-13 19:08:31
January 13 2017 19:05 GMT
#131275
On January 14 2017 04:04 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2017 04:02 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
I'm more concerned with the continued insistence that Mexico will pay for it. Has any country ever did a major project like this and somehow gotten a different country to pay for it? Because that seems like suicide from a world diplomacy perspective.


America rebuilds other country's infrastructure all the time. America usually was the one that blew it up, but if you ignore that part....


well that was still America choosing to do that, nobody forced them to. they also made a movie about that called the mouse who roared (pretty funny movie).

I'm pretty sure making Germany pay for everything after WWI was what led to WWII.
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5583 Posts
January 13 2017 19:09 GMT
#131276
On January 14 2017 03:59 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2017 03:55 oBlade wrote:
On January 14 2017 03:49 Acrofales wrote:
On January 14 2017 03:42 oBlade wrote:
On January 14 2017 00:34 Nakajin wrote:
On January 13 2017 22:31 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On January 13 2017 12:33 Nyxisto wrote:
https://twitter.com/MonicaCrowley/status/651043858541879296

This woman is apparently going to be "senior director of strategic communications for the National Security Council", please tell me that job is less important than it sounds. The fuck

I facepalmed so hard my hand almost broke.

What the hell!?... I mean, how stupid does one need to be to tweet something like that?


I'm so confuse, I keep trying to make sense of it but it's just stupid all around. It just sound like a troll a democrat would make, if he want to joke about Trump idea... Unless she think the wall of Berlin protected Europe from socialist (And I really can't belive she would be that ignorant). I really don't see how talking about a wall build by communist, universally talk about as a catastrophy and the representation of the fall and defeat of an entire regime is somehow an argument to build another one. I would understand if it was like the Israel wall, even how stupid it is it would make sense since the wall didn't fall


Maybe she was just talking about the drawing on the wall and how it work to make good picture?

The wall did work as far as stopping people from pouring into West Berlin for 30 years. We obviously have moral issues with walls meant to keep people from escaping communist regimes and ones that split a people in half (which should be different from walls that keep people out of someplace), but that's independent from whether it worked. And the wall was opened and came down because the country was reunified, but that's not going to happen with the US and Mexico - they won't be the 51st state or something in 30 years.


You know why the wall worked? Because it had a fucking guard tower every 100 meters with people shooting anybody who attempted to get over/under the wall. Are you planning to just build a wall? Or man it with guard towers every 100 meters? I believe that's 32,000 guard towers. Allowing 8 hour shifts, that's 100,000 guards. That alone is 4x the size of the current Border Patrol.

I'm sure that's realistic. Let alone the human rights violations of shooting anybody who comes near the wall. Or are you claiming the moral lowground of Communist Germany?

It's not the 60s anymore, I'm sure you can do remote/electronic monitoring.


The camera sees X guys with masks get over the wall. Who do you send to that remote part of wherever? Do you start just rounding up all mexicans within 100 miles of that wall? What if it was white people from Europe immigrating through mexico while wearing masks knowing that the US would just assumed Ski-Masked mexicans were the culprits?

Scaling a wall to cross a country's border is not a legitimate method of immigration, and that has nothing to do with skin color. Don't race-bait. It's not only Mexicans who cross the southern border illegally - it might not even be a majority, it's also people from Central and South America and to a lesser extent elsewhere.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
January 13 2017 19:09 GMT
#131277
On January 14 2017 04:05 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2017 04:04 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On January 14 2017 04:02 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
I'm more concerned with the continued insistence that Mexico will pay for it. Has any country ever did a major project like this and somehow gotten a different country to pay for it? Because that seems like suicide from a world diplomacy perspective.


America rebuilds other country's infrastructure all the time. America usually was the one that blew it up, but if you ignore that part....


well that was still America choosing to do that, nobody forced them to. they also made a movie about that called the mouse who roared (pretty funny movie).

I'm pretty sure making Germany pay for everything after WWI was what led to WWII.


No no, I understand that, I'm just trying to find some real world example of a country paying for large scale projects for a different country for no gains for the paying country.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
January 13 2017 19:10 GMT
#131278
The wall isn't going to be built anyways, idk why we're discussing it.
Life?
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18826 Posts
January 13 2017 19:12 GMT
#131279
Expect these numbers to rise even more during the next four years.

Every day in cities across the country, tens of thousands of people wait in line to have a needle put in their arms for up to two hours.

Instead of donating their blood plasma, these people receive payments for the time it takes to give their plasma -- the clear, straw-colored liquid part of the blood that contains special proteins -- to for-profit companies. The companies purify the plasma, turning it into life-saving drugs for immune disorders and other drugs, including those used in cancer and transplant patients.

“I donate specifically for the money because I work a minimum wage job. I work as a cashier and a stocker. I used to work as a repair technician for 14 bucks an hour, so I’m used to more than what I’m getting,” David, who donates his plasma, said.

In the U.S., most people technically donate their plasma but are paid for their time doing that.

The U.S. supplies 94 percent of the paid plasma used around the world. And nearly 80 percent of the plasma centers in the U.S. are located in America’s poorer neighborhoods.

Many of the people who frequent these centers to give their plasma are full-time workers and low-income Americans who are just unable to make ends meet.

William, who has two children and works at a Burger King in Kansas City, Missouri, says he gives his blood plasma twice a week.

“I go Fridays and Sundays. Right arm I use Friday. Other I use Sunday. I switch up every time,” William said. “It’s a 21-gauge needle, so it’s pretty thick.”

The payment they receive averages about $30 to $40, and for the companies, it is a $19.7 billion global industry.

Many foreign companies come to the U.S. to get the plasma for certain drugs instead of where they are headquartered because the laws in the U.S. are favorable for plasma donations.

“For a majority of people -- apparently -- it’s relatively safe. We really don’t know what the long-term effects because it’s a relatively new phenomenon," Dr. Roger Kobayashi, a clinical professor of immunology at UCLA, said.

According to the Plasma Protein Therapeutics Association, the frequency and volume parameters for plasma donation are approved by the FDA and have been in use for approximately fifty years.

"These regulations and guidelines are based on the best available science and are in place to protect the health of plasma donors. In just the past decade, the industry has collected more than 235,000,000 source plasma donations from dedicated donors that have treated hundreds of thousands of patients all over the world," the Plasma Protein Therapeutics Association (PPTA) said in a statement to ABC News. "Source plasma donation is safe and is highly regulated. Donors must meet criteria defined by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and voluntary industry standards. Healthy, committed donors are the foundation of plasma-derived therapies."

Kobayashi said what was once “a simple gift of life has now evolved into a multi-national, highly profitable corporate enterprise.”


Why Thousands of Low-Income Americans 'Donate' Their Blood Plasma to For-Profit Centers
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Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
January 13 2017 19:13 GMT
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On January 14 2017 04:09 oBlade wrote:
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On January 14 2017 03:59 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On January 14 2017 03:55 oBlade wrote:
On January 14 2017 03:49 Acrofales wrote:
On January 14 2017 03:42 oBlade wrote:
On January 14 2017 00:34 Nakajin wrote:
On January 13 2017 22:31 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On January 13 2017 12:33 Nyxisto wrote:
https://twitter.com/MonicaCrowley/status/651043858541879296

This woman is apparently going to be "senior director of strategic communications for the National Security Council", please tell me that job is less important than it sounds. The fuck

I facepalmed so hard my hand almost broke.

What the hell!?... I mean, how stupid does one need to be to tweet something like that?


I'm so confuse, I keep trying to make sense of it but it's just stupid all around. It just sound like a troll a democrat would make, if he want to joke about Trump idea... Unless she think the wall of Berlin protected Europe from socialist (And I really can't belive she would be that ignorant). I really don't see how talking about a wall build by communist, universally talk about as a catastrophy and the representation of the fall and defeat of an entire regime is somehow an argument to build another one. I would understand if it was like the Israel wall, even how stupid it is it would make sense since the wall didn't fall


Maybe she was just talking about the drawing on the wall and how it work to make good picture?

The wall did work as far as stopping people from pouring into West Berlin for 30 years. We obviously have moral issues with walls meant to keep people from escaping communist regimes and ones that split a people in half (which should be different from walls that keep people out of someplace), but that's independent from whether it worked. And the wall was opened and came down because the country was reunified, but that's not going to happen with the US and Mexico - they won't be the 51st state or something in 30 years.


You know why the wall worked? Because it had a fucking guard tower every 100 meters with people shooting anybody who attempted to get over/under the wall. Are you planning to just build a wall? Or man it with guard towers every 100 meters? I believe that's 32,000 guard towers. Allowing 8 hour shifts, that's 100,000 guards. That alone is 4x the size of the current Border Patrol.

I'm sure that's realistic. Let alone the human rights violations of shooting anybody who comes near the wall. Or are you claiming the moral lowground of Communist Germany?

It's not the 60s anymore, I'm sure you can do remote/electronic monitoring.


The camera sees X guys with masks get over the wall. Who do you send to that remote part of wherever? Do you start just rounding up all mexicans within 100 miles of that wall? What if it was white people from Europe immigrating through mexico while wearing masks knowing that the US would just assumed Ski-Masked mexicans were the culprits?

Scaling a wall to cross a country's border is not a legitimate method of immigration, and that has nothing to do with skin color. Don't race-bait. It's not only Mexicans who cross the southern border illegally - it might not even be a majority, it's also people from Central and South America and to a lesser extent elsewhere.


Not trying to race bait.

But your sensors/monitors sees non-descript people climbing the wall. You don't see face, skin, etc...

How do you catch them? This is 2000 miles of wall we are talking about, and Acrofales already calculated it would take 400,000 guards shooting everything that moves to man said wall--by your argument is that having cameras will be good enough.

I am asking--what would cameras do? What if they break? What if they get broken? What if some get compromised? Do we have people checking cameras for 2000 miles at a time? Do we have people sitting in desks staring at 2000+ miles of camera footage?

And after all that, the camera sees a non-descript human shaped being cross the wall--how does the US respond?
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
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