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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
January 13 2017 03:14 GMT
#131201
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
January 13 2017 03:19 GMT
#131202
On January 13 2017 12:03 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2017 11:40 Danglars wrote:
On January 13 2017 10:36 xDaunt wrote:
So Israel apparently just bombed a Syrian military base. Looks like Trump is going to have to hit the ground running.

I see they also attacked the same airbase back in December. Obama's left a pretty mess to deal with and very little options open, so I can only wonder what Netanyahu and Trump will aim to do on that front.


Lol it's Obama's fault.

On the one hand, this does seem par for the course for Obama shitting on things on his way out.

On the other hand, I'm not sure that Netanyahu would do anything other than give Obama the finger since he's responsible for that UN matter and Obama is on the way out.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
January 13 2017 03:21 GMT
#131203
On January 13 2017 12:19 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2017 12:03 Doodsmack wrote:
On January 13 2017 11:40 Danglars wrote:
On January 13 2017 10:36 xDaunt wrote:
So Israel apparently just bombed a Syrian military base. Looks like Trump is going to have to hit the ground running.

I see they also attacked the same airbase back in December. Obama's left a pretty mess to deal with and very little options open, so I can only wonder what Netanyahu and Trump will aim to do on that front.


Lol it's Obama's fault.

On the one hand, this does seem par for the course for Obama shitting on things on his way out.

On the other hand, I'm not sure that Netanyahu would do anything other than give Obama the finger since he's responsible for that UN matter and Obama is on the way out.


So Israel bombed Syria because Obama?
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-13 03:21:54
January 13 2017 03:21 GMT
#131204
This guy Flynn is a loose cannon and an extremist.

LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
January 13 2017 03:24 GMT
#131205
On January 13 2017 12:21 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2017 12:19 LegalLord wrote:
On January 13 2017 12:03 Doodsmack wrote:
On January 13 2017 11:40 Danglars wrote:
On January 13 2017 10:36 xDaunt wrote:
So Israel apparently just bombed a Syrian military base. Looks like Trump is going to have to hit the ground running.

I see they also attacked the same airbase back in December. Obama's left a pretty mess to deal with and very little options open, so I can only wonder what Netanyahu and Trump will aim to do on that front.


Lol it's Obama's fault.

On the one hand, this does seem par for the course for Obama shitting on things on his way out.

On the other hand, I'm not sure that Netanyahu would do anything other than give Obama the finger since he's responsible for that UN matter and Obama is on the way out.


So Israel bombed Syria because Obama?

No idea. The potential motives for this are a head-scratcher.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
January 13 2017 03:25 GMT
#131206
On January 13 2017 12:14 Doodsmack wrote:
https://twitter.com/christinawilkie/status/819728563624673280

The Federal Elections Commission (FEC) sent a letter to the Donald Trump campaign on Monday after discovering over 1,000 errors in its most recent financial filing. This has caused much alarm on social media, but experts from the non partisan Campaign Legal Center told LawNewz.com that this type of FEC letter isn’t entirely unusual — in fact, Hillary Clinton got one herself just last month!

Source
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
January 13 2017 03:28 GMT
#131207
I actually agree with this bit of Obama's eleventh-hour executive work.
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama announced Thursday he is ending a longstanding immigration policy that allows any Cuban who makes it to U.S. soil to stay and become a legal resident.

The repeal of the "wet foot, dry foot" policy is effective immediately. The decision follows months of negotiations focused in part on getting Cuba to agree to take back people who had arrived in the U.S.

"Effective immediately, Cuban nationals who attempt to enter the United States illegally and do not qualify for humanitarian relief will be subject to removal, consistent with U.S. law and enforcement priorities," Obama said in a statement. "By taking this step, we are treating Cuban migrants the same way we treat migrants from other countries. The Cuban government has agreed to accept the return of Cuban nationals who have been ordered removed, just as it has been accepting the return of migrants interdicted at sea."

The Cuban government praised the move. In a statement read on state television, it called the signing of the agreement "an important step in advancing relations" between the U.S. and Cuba that "aims to guarantee normal, safe and ordered migration."

Obama is using an administrative rule change to end the policy. Donald Trump could undo that rule after becoming president next week. He has criticized Obama's moves to improve relations with Cuba. But ending a policy that has allowed hundreds of thousands of people to come to the United States without a visa also aligns with Trump's commitment to tough immigration policies.

Source
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
January 13 2017 03:33 GMT
#131208


This woman is apparently going to be "senior director of strategic communications for the National Security Council", please tell me that job is less important than it sounds. The fuck
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11605 Posts
January 13 2017 03:33 GMT
#131209
It makes sense that if you are no longer treating Cuba as a hostile country, then you can normalize your refugee/ immigration policy as well.
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
January 13 2017 03:38 GMT
#131210
well at least we won't have any more trials over whether a lighthouse counts as American Soil but yeah makes sense
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
January 13 2017 03:41 GMT
#131211
On January 13 2017 12:33 Nyxisto wrote:
https://twitter.com/MonicaCrowley/status/651043858541879296

This woman is apparently going to be "senior director of strategic communications for the National Security Council", please tell me that job is less important than it sounds. The fuck

Someone I work with claimed that the wall will work fantastically, because China has never had any problems with Mexicans. I give it 50/50 odds they were being sarcastic.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-13 04:11:40
January 13 2017 04:09 GMT
#131212
On January 13 2017 12:25 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2017 12:14 Doodsmack wrote:
https://twitter.com/christinawilkie/status/819728563624673280

Show nested quote +
The Federal Elections Commission (FEC) sent a letter to the Donald Trump campaign on Monday after discovering over 1,000 errors in its most recent financial filing. This has caused much alarm on social media, but experts from the non partisan Campaign Legal Center told LawNewz.com that this type of FEC letter isn’t entirely unusual — in fact, Hillary Clinton got one herself just last month!

Source


That said, the Clinton letter is 11 pages of questionable donations, while the Trump one is 35. So it's somewhat silly to equate them. Ultimately it's irrelevant, though it does show there was probably more donation handling incompetence on the Trump team (shockingly!!!!).
CatharsisUT
Profile Joined March 2011
United States487 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-13 04:30:34
January 13 2017 04:30 GMT
#131213
On January 13 2017 10:52 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2017 10:44 Wegandi wrote:
On January 13 2017 10:26 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On January 13 2017 10:17 Wegandi wrote:
Lol isolationism is status quo. That's a new one to me, and to say, 80% of the world. Magpie you're funny.


Much apologies.

I didn't realize that conservatives in america no longer wanted closed borders, higher tarifs to encourage "buying american", and a tougher stance on china. Silly me. I must have confused them with whoever the majority was these past 6 years.


Dude, Trump was never the conservative candidate and he only had a plurality of the vote in the primary. Beyond that, the definition of status quo or not has nothing to do with a particular party, but the Governance of the Federal Government writ large. If for sake of argument one party had zero power, and the other all the power for 20 years, but the former parties nominee that ended up winning was 100% in line with their views (the 20 year losers), you'd say that was the status-quo candidate? LMAO. Why do I even bother here?

My point is; the ruling view in DC is internationalism and interventionism. To say isolationism is US status-quo policy is fucking hilarious. Carry on though.


I agree with you that Trump does not have the same policies as the Obama administration, simply the same policies as the republican platform. Hence making him a status quo republican--I'm glad we are in agreement.


Being against free trade is a pretty big departure from the status quo. So is cuddling up with Putin.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
January 13 2017 04:38 GMT
#131214
Free trade just happened to run into a rather substantial challenge across the Western world to the pillars of globalism. Trump is merely the first (or second, if Brexit counts) major result of that campaign coming to fruition.

I would be surprised if anything long-term came of the pro-Russian sentiment of Trump. He will probably make some headway and possibly end sanctions eventually, but I don't see that he's someone who understands what a real detente with Russia would look like. Sooner or later, there will come a time when Russia will forcefully and aggressively enforce its interests in a way that is very problematic for the US - and that will lead us right back to where we are now. Though there are enough people who understand that nothing good can come of even worse relations with Russia right now.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-13 05:12:10
January 13 2017 05:09 GMT
#131215
On January 13 2017 12:28 LegalLord wrote:
I actually agree with this bit of Obama's eleventh-hour executive work.
Show nested quote +
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama announced Thursday he is ending a longstanding immigration policy that allows any Cuban who makes it to U.S. soil to stay and become a legal resident.

The repeal of the "wet foot, dry foot" policy is effective immediately. The decision follows months of negotiations focused in part on getting Cuba to agree to take back people who had arrived in the U.S.

"Effective immediately, Cuban nationals who attempt to enter the United States illegally and do not qualify for humanitarian relief will be subject to removal, consistent with U.S. law and enforcement priorities," Obama said in a statement. "By taking this step, we are treating Cuban migrants the same way we treat migrants from other countries. The Cuban government has agreed to accept the return of Cuban nationals who have been ordered removed, just as it has been accepting the return of migrants interdicted at sea."

The Cuban government praised the move. In a statement read on state television, it called the signing of the agreement "an important step in advancing relations" between the U.S. and Cuba that "aims to guarantee normal, safe and ordered migration."

Obama is using an administrative rule change to end the policy. Donald Trump could undo that rule after becoming president next week. He has criticized Obama's moves to improve relations with Cuba. But ending a policy that has allowed hundreds of thousands of people to come to the United States without a visa also aligns with Trump's commitment to tough immigration policies.

Source


As a Cuban, glad it's finally happening. They come to Miami, and think the government owes them so much. Live off the government assistance and do nothing with their lives. It's sad and needs to be ended with. While some do try to get something done, and off government assistance but that number is low compared to the abusers. I mean, the U.S has done so much, and the families here have done so much as well. Either Cubans need to stand up, and reform their own country from the inside or stay under a dictatorship.
Life?
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-13 06:40:40
January 13 2017 06:37 GMT
#131216
On January 13 2017 12:33 Nyxisto wrote:
https://twitter.com/MonicaCrowley/status/651043858541879296

This woman is apparently going to be "senior director of strategic communications for the National Security Council", please tell me that job is less important than it sounds. The fuck


Subs, boats, planes, ladders, tunnels, visas...the wall is a very simple minded solution.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18432 Posts
January 13 2017 09:02 GMT
#131217
On January 13 2017 12:33 Nyxisto wrote:
https://twitter.com/MonicaCrowley/status/651043858541879296

This woman is apparently going to be "senior director of strategic communications for the National Security Council", please tell me that job is less important than it sounds. The fuck

I hope she's trolling.

If serious, I think she has a rather loose definition of "work". And also of how big and sparsely populated Mexico is in comparison to Berlin.
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
January 13 2017 09:12 GMT
#131218
Nothing can be worse than when Bush's Press Secretary, AKA the person assigned to give voice to the President/government, had no idea what the Cuban Missile Crisis was...
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
January 13 2017 13:16 GMT
#131219
On January 13 2017 15:37 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2017 12:33 Nyxisto wrote:
https://twitter.com/MonicaCrowley/status/651043858541879296

This woman is apparently going to be "senior director of strategic communications for the National Security Council", please tell me that job is less important than it sounds. The fuck

the wall is a very simple minded solution.

Agreed, I much preferred the Jaeger program
Yhamm is the god of predictions
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-13 13:22:00
January 13 2017 13:21 GMT
#131220
On January 13 2017 12:33 Falling wrote:
It makes sense that if you are no longer treating Cuba as a hostile country, then you can normalize your refugee/ immigration policy as well.

Reciprocity in immigration agreements is indeed a key component of diplomatic normalization.
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