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kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-11 09:31:10
January 11 2017 09:30 GMT
#130741
On January 11 2017 18:10 NukeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2017 16:09 kwizach wrote:
On January 11 2017 15:56 xDaunt wrote:
On January 11 2017 15:33 TheTenthDoc wrote:
So you believe CNN is lying in saying they spoke to sources who confirmed this briefing happened with documents alleging communication between the campaign and Russia? Or that they should have confirmed the veracity of any memos before reporting individuals were briefed with them?

(also, the Trump story is still on the front page of their site and occupies the right bar)

I'll also say that Conway's response to the issue being loaded with factual inaccuracies about the story is pretty sad.

And again, you have to look at the narrative being pushed by CNN in reporting the story to begin:

Classified documents presented last week to President Obama and President-elect Trump included allegations that Russian operatives claim to have compromising personal and financial information about Mr. Trump, multiple US officials with direct knowledge of the briefings tell CNN.


You need look no further than the reactions of some of the posters around here to see how the paragraph above is being taken. This is fake news designed to push an anti-Trump agenda. Nothing more.

No, this is not "fake news". This is you trying to change the meaning of "fake news". CNN did not invent anything for its reporting or independently make claims with regards to the veracity of the contents of the memos. It reported on testimonies CNN received from "multiple US officials". The fact that you don't trust CNN and its sources does not mean this is "fake news" in any way.

Yes! And Pizzagate is not fake news too!!!¨

Cmon guys, this was a 4chan troll that your "intelligence" agencies fell for.

On January 11 2017 18:19 NukeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2017 18:14 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 11 2017 18:10 NukeD wrote:
On January 11 2017 16:09 kwizach wrote:
On January 11 2017 15:56 xDaunt wrote:
On January 11 2017 15:33 TheTenthDoc wrote:
So you believe CNN is lying in saying they spoke to sources who confirmed this briefing happened with documents alleging communication between the campaign and Russia? Or that they should have confirmed the veracity of any memos before reporting individuals were briefed with them?

(also, the Trump story is still on the front page of their site and occupies the right bar)

I'll also say that Conway's response to the issue being loaded with factual inaccuracies about the story is pretty sad.

And again, you have to look at the narrative being pushed by CNN in reporting the story to begin:

Classified documents presented last week to President Obama and President-elect Trump included allegations that Russian operatives claim to have compromising personal and financial information about Mr. Trump, multiple US officials with direct knowledge of the briefings tell CNN.


You need look no further than the reactions of some of the posters around here to see how the paragraph above is being taken. This is fake news designed to push an anti-Trump agenda. Nothing more.

No, this is not "fake news". This is you trying to change the meaning of "fake news". CNN did not invent anything for its reporting or independently make claims with regards to the veracity of the contents of the memos. It reported on testimonies CNN received from "multiple US officials". The fact that you don't trust CNN and its sources does not mean this is "fake news" in any way.

Yes! And Pizzagate is not fake news too!!!¨

Cmon guys, this was a 4chan troll that your "intelligence" agencies fell for.

if that's the case, the problem is with the intelligence agencies and not with the reporting though, isn't it?

Buzzfeed and CNN are at fault too. The memos were easily debunked (as Buzzfeed has debunked them themselves on their website) yet when publishing the information, they failed to do the most basic fact verify, and CNN failed to do the same thing when they copied the story from Buzzfeed.

You don't understand what you're talking about. CNN's sources for the story are US officials. The testimonies of those US officials are what they are reporting on. Unless CNN lied about having those sources, it's not an example of fake news, unlike the Pizzagate story.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-11 09:41:38
January 11 2017 09:38 GMT
#130742
On January 11 2017 18:19 NukeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2017 18:14 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 11 2017 18:10 NukeD wrote:
On January 11 2017 16:09 kwizach wrote:
On January 11 2017 15:56 xDaunt wrote:
On January 11 2017 15:33 TheTenthDoc wrote:
So you believe CNN is lying in saying they spoke to sources who confirmed this briefing happened with documents alleging communication between the campaign and Russia? Or that they should have confirmed the veracity of any memos before reporting individuals were briefed with them?

(also, the Trump story is still on the front page of their site and occupies the right bar)

I'll also say that Conway's response to the issue being loaded with factual inaccuracies about the story is pretty sad.

And again, you have to look at the narrative being pushed by CNN in reporting the story to begin:

Classified documents presented last week to President Obama and President-elect Trump included allegations that Russian operatives claim to have compromising personal and financial information about Mr. Trump, multiple US officials with direct knowledge of the briefings tell CNN.


You need look no further than the reactions of some of the posters around here to see how the paragraph above is being taken. This is fake news designed to push an anti-Trump agenda. Nothing more.

No, this is not "fake news". This is you trying to change the meaning of "fake news". CNN did not invent anything for its reporting or independently make claims with regards to the veracity of the contents of the memos. It reported on testimonies CNN received from "multiple US officials". The fact that you don't trust CNN and its sources does not mean this is "fake news" in any way.

Yes! And Pizzagate is not fake news too!!!¨

Cmon guys, this was a 4chan troll that your "intelligence" agencies fell for.

if that's the case, the problem is with the intelligence agencies and not with the reporting though, isn't it?

Buzzfeed and CNN are at fault too. The memos were easily debunked (as Buzzfeed has debunked them themselves on their website) yet when publishing the information, they failed to do the most basic fact verify, and CNN failed to do the same thing when they copied the story from Buzzfeed.

but that's kinda the thing. With these things you're not really supposed to do that. You're supposed to be able to trust them. So I stand with my point that if you can't trust them that's an issue of the agencies.

To give another example: I sure as hell don't like Bush or the US decision to go into iraq. But if their information isn't cherry picked information while ignoring the majority of intelligence reports that stated that Iraq did in fact not have WMDs I wouldn't really blame the Bush administration for that either. Because again, you're supposed to be able to trust those things.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
January 11 2017 09:38 GMT
#130743
On January 11 2017 18:30 kwizach wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2017 18:10 NukeD wrote:
On January 11 2017 16:09 kwizach wrote:
On January 11 2017 15:56 xDaunt wrote:
On January 11 2017 15:33 TheTenthDoc wrote:
So you believe CNN is lying in saying they spoke to sources who confirmed this briefing happened with documents alleging communication between the campaign and Russia? Or that they should have confirmed the veracity of any memos before reporting individuals were briefed with them?

(also, the Trump story is still on the front page of their site and occupies the right bar)

I'll also say that Conway's response to the issue being loaded with factual inaccuracies about the story is pretty sad.

And again, you have to look at the narrative being pushed by CNN in reporting the story to begin:

Classified documents presented last week to President Obama and President-elect Trump included allegations that Russian operatives claim to have compromising personal and financial information about Mr. Trump, multiple US officials with direct knowledge of the briefings tell CNN.


You need look no further than the reactions of some of the posters around here to see how the paragraph above is being taken. This is fake news designed to push an anti-Trump agenda. Nothing more.

No, this is not "fake news". This is you trying to change the meaning of "fake news". CNN did not invent anything for its reporting or independently make claims with regards to the veracity of the contents of the memos. It reported on testimonies CNN received from "multiple US officials". The fact that you don't trust CNN and its sources does not mean this is "fake news" in any way.

Yes! And Pizzagate is not fake news too!!!¨

Cmon guys, this was a 4chan troll that your "intelligence" agencies fell for.

Show nested quote +
On January 11 2017 18:19 NukeD wrote:
On January 11 2017 18:14 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 11 2017 18:10 NukeD wrote:
On January 11 2017 16:09 kwizach wrote:
On January 11 2017 15:56 xDaunt wrote:
On January 11 2017 15:33 TheTenthDoc wrote:
So you believe CNN is lying in saying they spoke to sources who confirmed this briefing happened with documents alleging communication between the campaign and Russia? Or that they should have confirmed the veracity of any memos before reporting individuals were briefed with them?

(also, the Trump story is still on the front page of their site and occupies the right bar)

I'll also say that Conway's response to the issue being loaded with factual inaccuracies about the story is pretty sad.

And again, you have to look at the narrative being pushed by CNN in reporting the story to begin:

Classified documents presented last week to President Obama and President-elect Trump included allegations that Russian operatives claim to have compromising personal and financial information about Mr. Trump, multiple US officials with direct knowledge of the briefings tell CNN.


You need look no further than the reactions of some of the posters around here to see how the paragraph above is being taken. This is fake news designed to push an anti-Trump agenda. Nothing more.

No, this is not "fake news". This is you trying to change the meaning of "fake news". CNN did not invent anything for its reporting or independently make claims with regards to the veracity of the contents of the memos. It reported on testimonies CNN received from "multiple US officials". The fact that you don't trust CNN and its sources does not mean this is "fake news" in any way.

Yes! And Pizzagate is not fake news too!!!¨

Cmon guys, this was a 4chan troll that your "intelligence" agencies fell for.

if that's the case, the problem is with the intelligence agencies and not with the reporting though, isn't it?

Buzzfeed and CNN are at fault too. The memos were easily debunked (as Buzzfeed has debunked them themselves on their website) yet when publishing the information, they failed to do the most basic fact verify, and CNN failed to do the same thing when they copied the story from Buzzfeed.

You don't understand what you're talking about. CNN's sources for the story are US officials. The testimonies of those US officials are what they are reporting on. Unless CNN lied about having those sources, it's not an example of fake news, unlike the Pizzagate story.

You dont understand what you are talking about. I dont care if they claim they talked to US officials. The story was easily debunked whoever told them about it, but giving how they published the story without basic scrutiny they are indeed at fault for publishing fake news, which is what they have a long track record of doing so no surprise here.

Hey lets be honest here, they probably went on and publish it knowing it was almost certainly fake, only to further defame Trump, another thing they have a track record of doing.
sorry for dem one liners
NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
January 11 2017 09:40 GMT
#130744
On January 11 2017 18:38 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2017 18:19 NukeD wrote:
On January 11 2017 18:14 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 11 2017 18:10 NukeD wrote:
On January 11 2017 16:09 kwizach wrote:
On January 11 2017 15:56 xDaunt wrote:
On January 11 2017 15:33 TheTenthDoc wrote:
So you believe CNN is lying in saying they spoke to sources who confirmed this briefing happened with documents alleging communication between the campaign and Russia? Or that they should have confirmed the veracity of any memos before reporting individuals were briefed with them?

(also, the Trump story is still on the front page of their site and occupies the right bar)

I'll also say that Conway's response to the issue being loaded with factual inaccuracies about the story is pretty sad.

And again, you have to look at the narrative being pushed by CNN in reporting the story to begin:

Classified documents presented last week to President Obama and President-elect Trump included allegations that Russian operatives claim to have compromising personal and financial information about Mr. Trump, multiple US officials with direct knowledge of the briefings tell CNN.


You need look no further than the reactions of some of the posters around here to see how the paragraph above is being taken. This is fake news designed to push an anti-Trump agenda. Nothing more.

No, this is not "fake news". This is you trying to change the meaning of "fake news". CNN did not invent anything for its reporting or independently make claims with regards to the veracity of the contents of the memos. It reported on testimonies CNN received from "multiple US officials". The fact that you don't trust CNN and its sources does not mean this is "fake news" in any way.

Yes! And Pizzagate is not fake news too!!!¨

Cmon guys, this was a 4chan troll that your "intelligence" agencies fell for.

if that's the case, the problem is with the intelligence agencies and not with the reporting though, isn't it?

Buzzfeed and CNN are at fault too. The memos were easily debunked (as Buzzfeed has debunked them themselves on their website) yet when publishing the information, they failed to do the most basic fact verify, and CNN failed to do the same thing when they copied the story from Buzzfeed.

but that's kinda the thing. With these things you're not really supposed to do that. You're supposed to be able to trust them. So I stand with my point that if you can't trust them that's an issue of the agencies.

Yes, you are supposed to trust them, but thats not the reality we are living in unfortunatelly.
sorry for dem one liners
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
January 11 2017 09:43 GMT
#130745
On January 11 2017 18:38 NukeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2017 18:30 kwizach wrote:
On January 11 2017 18:10 NukeD wrote:
On January 11 2017 16:09 kwizach wrote:
On January 11 2017 15:56 xDaunt wrote:
On January 11 2017 15:33 TheTenthDoc wrote:
So you believe CNN is lying in saying they spoke to sources who confirmed this briefing happened with documents alleging communication between the campaign and Russia? Or that they should have confirmed the veracity of any memos before reporting individuals were briefed with them?

(also, the Trump story is still on the front page of their site and occupies the right bar)

I'll also say that Conway's response to the issue being loaded with factual inaccuracies about the story is pretty sad.

And again, you have to look at the narrative being pushed by CNN in reporting the story to begin:

Classified documents presented last week to President Obama and President-elect Trump included allegations that Russian operatives claim to have compromising personal and financial information about Mr. Trump, multiple US officials with direct knowledge of the briefings tell CNN.


You need look no further than the reactions of some of the posters around here to see how the paragraph above is being taken. This is fake news designed to push an anti-Trump agenda. Nothing more.

No, this is not "fake news". This is you trying to change the meaning of "fake news". CNN did not invent anything for its reporting or independently make claims with regards to the veracity of the contents of the memos. It reported on testimonies CNN received from "multiple US officials". The fact that you don't trust CNN and its sources does not mean this is "fake news" in any way.

Yes! And Pizzagate is not fake news too!!!¨

Cmon guys, this was a 4chan troll that your "intelligence" agencies fell for.

On January 11 2017 18:19 NukeD wrote:
On January 11 2017 18:14 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 11 2017 18:10 NukeD wrote:
On January 11 2017 16:09 kwizach wrote:
On January 11 2017 15:56 xDaunt wrote:
On January 11 2017 15:33 TheTenthDoc wrote:
So you believe CNN is lying in saying they spoke to sources who confirmed this briefing happened with documents alleging communication between the campaign and Russia? Or that they should have confirmed the veracity of any memos before reporting individuals were briefed with them?

(also, the Trump story is still on the front page of their site and occupies the right bar)

I'll also say that Conway's response to the issue being loaded with factual inaccuracies about the story is pretty sad.

And again, you have to look at the narrative being pushed by CNN in reporting the story to begin:

Classified documents presented last week to President Obama and President-elect Trump included allegations that Russian operatives claim to have compromising personal and financial information about Mr. Trump, multiple US officials with direct knowledge of the briefings tell CNN.


You need look no further than the reactions of some of the posters around here to see how the paragraph above is being taken. This is fake news designed to push an anti-Trump agenda. Nothing more.

No, this is not "fake news". This is you trying to change the meaning of "fake news". CNN did not invent anything for its reporting or independently make claims with regards to the veracity of the contents of the memos. It reported on testimonies CNN received from "multiple US officials". The fact that you don't trust CNN and its sources does not mean this is "fake news" in any way.

Yes! And Pizzagate is not fake news too!!!¨

Cmon guys, this was a 4chan troll that your "intelligence" agencies fell for.

if that's the case, the problem is with the intelligence agencies and not with the reporting though, isn't it?

Buzzfeed and CNN are at fault too. The memos were easily debunked (as Buzzfeed has debunked them themselves on their website) yet when publishing the information, they failed to do the most basic fact verify, and CNN failed to do the same thing when they copied the story from Buzzfeed.

You don't understand what you're talking about. CNN's sources for the story are US officials. The testimonies of those US officials are what they are reporting on. Unless CNN lied about having those sources, it's not an example of fake news, unlike the Pizzagate story.

You dont understand what you are talking about. I dont care if they claim they talked to US officials. The story was easily debunked whoever told them about it, but giving how they published the story without basic scrutiny they are indeed at fault for publishing fake news, which is what they have a long track record of doing so no surprise here.

Hey lets be honest here, they probably went on and publish it knowing it was almost certainly fake, only to further defame Trump, another thing they have a track record of doing.

You are making false claims. CNN's story has not been "debunked". And like I said, the testimonies of those US officials are what they are reporting on. Unless CNN lied about having those sources, it's not an example of fake news. Please inform yourself better on this issue before commenting further.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
January 11 2017 09:47 GMT
#130746
On January 11 2017 18:43 kwizach wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2017 18:38 NukeD wrote:
On January 11 2017 18:30 kwizach wrote:
On January 11 2017 18:10 NukeD wrote:
On January 11 2017 16:09 kwizach wrote:
On January 11 2017 15:56 xDaunt wrote:
On January 11 2017 15:33 TheTenthDoc wrote:
So you believe CNN is lying in saying they spoke to sources who confirmed this briefing happened with documents alleging communication between the campaign and Russia? Or that they should have confirmed the veracity of any memos before reporting individuals were briefed with them?

(also, the Trump story is still on the front page of their site and occupies the right bar)

I'll also say that Conway's response to the issue being loaded with factual inaccuracies about the story is pretty sad.

And again, you have to look at the narrative being pushed by CNN in reporting the story to begin:

Classified documents presented last week to President Obama and President-elect Trump included allegations that Russian operatives claim to have compromising personal and financial information about Mr. Trump, multiple US officials with direct knowledge of the briefings tell CNN.


You need look no further than the reactions of some of the posters around here to see how the paragraph above is being taken. This is fake news designed to push an anti-Trump agenda. Nothing more.

No, this is not "fake news". This is you trying to change the meaning of "fake news". CNN did not invent anything for its reporting or independently make claims with regards to the veracity of the contents of the memos. It reported on testimonies CNN received from "multiple US officials". The fact that you don't trust CNN and its sources does not mean this is "fake news" in any way.

Yes! And Pizzagate is not fake news too!!!¨

Cmon guys, this was a 4chan troll that your "intelligence" agencies fell for.

On January 11 2017 18:19 NukeD wrote:
On January 11 2017 18:14 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 11 2017 18:10 NukeD wrote:
On January 11 2017 16:09 kwizach wrote:
On January 11 2017 15:56 xDaunt wrote:
On January 11 2017 15:33 TheTenthDoc wrote:
So you believe CNN is lying in saying they spoke to sources who confirmed this briefing happened with documents alleging communication between the campaign and Russia? Or that they should have confirmed the veracity of any memos before reporting individuals were briefed with them?

(also, the Trump story is still on the front page of their site and occupies the right bar)

I'll also say that Conway's response to the issue being loaded with factual inaccuracies about the story is pretty sad.

And again, you have to look at the narrative being pushed by CNN in reporting the story to begin:

Classified documents presented last week to President Obama and President-elect Trump included allegations that Russian operatives claim to have compromising personal and financial information about Mr. Trump, multiple US officials with direct knowledge of the briefings tell CNN.


You need look no further than the reactions of some of the posters around here to see how the paragraph above is being taken. This is fake news designed to push an anti-Trump agenda. Nothing more.

No, this is not "fake news". This is you trying to change the meaning of "fake news". CNN did not invent anything for its reporting or independently make claims with regards to the veracity of the contents of the memos. It reported on testimonies CNN received from "multiple US officials". The fact that you don't trust CNN and its sources does not mean this is "fake news" in any way.

Yes! And Pizzagate is not fake news too!!!¨

Cmon guys, this was a 4chan troll that your "intelligence" agencies fell for.

if that's the case, the problem is with the intelligence agencies and not with the reporting though, isn't it?

Buzzfeed and CNN are at fault too. The memos were easily debunked (as Buzzfeed has debunked them themselves on their website) yet when publishing the information, they failed to do the most basic fact verify, and CNN failed to do the same thing when they copied the story from Buzzfeed.

You don't understand what you're talking about. CNN's sources for the story are US officials. The testimonies of those US officials are what they are reporting on. Unless CNN lied about having those sources, it's not an example of fake news, unlike the Pizzagate story.

You dont understand what you are talking about. I dont care if they claim they talked to US officials. The story was easily debunked whoever told them about it, but giving how they published the story without basic scrutiny they are indeed at fault for publishing fake news, which is what they have a long track record of doing so no surprise here.

Hey lets be honest here, they probably went on and publish it knowing it was almost certainly fake, only to further defame Trump, another thing they have a track record of doing.

You are making false claims. CNN's story has not been "debunked". And like I said, the testimonies of those US officials are what they are reporting on. Unless CNN lied about having those sources, it's not an example of fake news. Please inform yourself better on this issue before commenting further.

Looked it up, you are actually right about CNN. My apologies. They sure did weasel themselves out of not getting sued.
sorry for dem one liners
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18250 Posts
January 11 2017 09:50 GMT
#130747
There's two things here and neither are fake news. One isn't even journalism, it's just WikiLeaks on a different platform. BuzzFeed threw an unsourced, unverified document up and said "have fun". Assange is probably livid that he missed out on these clicks.

CNN, for once, did some reasonable reporting, assuming they aren't just inventing the intelligence briefing and their 2 official sources. That is not fake news, despite people not liking what is being said. CNN's base seems covered. Either they reported on a briefing about problematic Intel regarding Trump, or they reported intelligence officials being partisan hacks and briefing government based on unverified claptrap. Either way, that's a story worth telling.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23797 Posts
January 11 2017 10:02 GMT
#130748
On January 11 2017 18:50 Acrofales wrote:
There's two things here and neither are fake news. One isn't even journalism, it's just WikiLeaks on a different platform. BuzzFeed threw an unsourced, unverified document up and said "have fun". Assange is probably livid that he missed out on these clicks.

CNN, for once, did some reasonable reporting, assuming they aren't just inventing the intelligence briefing and their 2 official sources. That is not fake news, despite people not liking what is being said. CNN's base seems covered. Either they reported on a briefing about problematic Intel regarding Trump, or they reported intelligence officials being partisan hacks and briefing government based on unverified claptrap. Either way, that's a story worth telling.


I have a hard time thinking Wikileaks doesn't extensively verify their documents, otherwise they would be the luckiest people on the planet for never publishing fake documents.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
January 11 2017 10:15 GMT
#130749
On January 11 2017 19:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2017 18:50 Acrofales wrote:
There's two things here and neither are fake news. One isn't even journalism, it's just WikiLeaks on a different platform. BuzzFeed threw an unsourced, unverified document up and said "have fun". Assange is probably livid that he missed out on these clicks.

CNN, for once, did some reasonable reporting, assuming they aren't just inventing the intelligence briefing and their 2 official sources. That is not fake news, despite people not liking what is being said. CNN's base seems covered. Either they reported on a briefing about problematic Intel regarding Trump, or they reported intelligence officials being partisan hacks and briefing government based on unverified claptrap. Either way, that's a story worth telling.


I have a hard time thinking Wikileaks doesn't extensively verify their documents, otherwise they would be the luckiest people on the planet for never publishing fake documents.

Yeah, you cant really compare Assange with the Buzzfeed morons. Wikileaks is legit.
sorry for dem one liners
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8023 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-11 13:08:47
January 11 2017 13:06 GMT
#130750
It's really quite amazing to see Trump crying about fake news and political witch hunt when his whole campaign has been one giant witch hunt with his supporters chanting "lock her up" every meeting and him threatening to jail his opponent, and when he is in the white house thanks to the biggest propaganda campaign in democratic history.

It sucks when your opponents make unfounded attacks on your probity, doesn't it Donald?

Lucky that The New York Times is not Breitbart and that the liberal media has the integrity to point out that's not reliable information. Conservative and their media have proven during the whole campaign they don't give a fuck.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
January 11 2017 13:57 GMT
#130751
On January 11 2017 22:06 Biff The Understudy wrote:
It's really quite amazing to see Trump crying about fake news and political witch hunt when his whole campaign has been one giant witch hunt with his supporters chanting "lock her up" every meeting and him threatening to jail his opponent, and when he is in the white house thanks to the biggest propaganda campaign in democratic history.

It sucks when your opponents make unfounded attacks on your probity, doesn't it Donald?

Lucky that The New York Times is not Breitbart and that the liberal media has the integrity to point out that's not reliable information. Conservative and their media have proven during the whole campaign they don't give a fuck.

Cant wait untill your queen godess is in jail. Gonna be fun 8 years

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sorry for dem one liners
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8023 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-11 14:07:11
January 11 2017 14:01 GMT
#130752
On January 11 2017 22:57 NukeD wrote:
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On January 11 2017 22:06 Biff The Understudy wrote:
It's really quite amazing to see Trump crying about fake news and political witch hunt when his whole campaign has been one giant witch hunt with his supporters chanting "lock her up" every meeting and him threatening to jail his opponent, and when he is in the white house thanks to the biggest propaganda campaign in democratic history.

It sucks when your opponents make unfounded attacks on your probity, doesn't it Donald?

Lucky that The New York Times is not Breitbart and that the liberal media has the integrity to point out that's not reliable information. Conservative and their media have proven during the whole campaign they don't give a fuck.

Cant wait untill your queen godess is in jail. Gonna be fun 8 years

For what? Raping babies or using a wrong server for her email, which was not enough to be prosecuted according to the FBI itself?
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
January 11 2017 14:29 GMT
#130753
On January 11 2017 15:56 xDaunt wrote:
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On January 11 2017 15:33 TheTenthDoc wrote:
So you believe CNN is lying in saying they spoke to sources who confirmed this briefing happened with documents alleging communication between the campaign and Russia? Or that they should have confirmed the veracity of any memos before reporting individuals were briefed with them?

(also, the Trump story is still on the front page of their site and occupies the right bar)

I'll also say that Conway's response to the issue being loaded with factual inaccuracies about the story is pretty sad.

I'm sure that CNN spoke to someone. The real question is whether this "someone" happens to be the same person (or a like-minded person) who fed WashPo the Vermont power grid story. See the problem? And again, you have to look at the narrative being pushed by CNN in reporting the story to begin:

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Classified documents presented last week to President Obama and President-elect Trump included allegations that Russian operatives claim to have compromising personal and financial information about Mr. Trump, multiple US officials with direct knowledge of the briefings tell CNN.


You need look no further than the reactions of some of the posters around here to see how the paragraph above is being taken. This is fake news designed to push an anti-Trump agenda. Nothing more.


Underlining that sentence and claiming it's a narrative does not make any sense.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
January 11 2017 14:56 GMT
#130754
I liked Obama's speech. He did great things for the USA imo.
maru lover forever
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18250 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-11 15:08:11
January 11 2017 15:05 GMT
#130755
Trump going berserk on Twitter again. It seems ridiculously easy to get under his skin and make him act like a complete buffoon.

On Twitter, Trump called the reports "unfair" and said, "Russia has never tried to use leverage over me." Trump claimed that he has "no deals, no loans, no nothing" with Russia, an assertion that is difficult to verify because he has not released his tax returns, unlike every president since Jimmy Carter.

He argued that political opponents "try to belittle" his electoral victory. Trump asked, "Are we living in Nazi Germany?"


http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/11/trump-melts-down-on-twitter-are-we-living-in-nazi-germany.html

Is this really the impression he wants everybody to have about the president? That he has the emotional control of an 8 year old? Or does he truly not realize that that is what people (fairly neutral outsiders) think when they see his twitter feed?
Furikawari
Profile Joined February 2014
France2522 Posts
January 11 2017 15:12 GMT
#130756
Ok, until today I more or less thought it was funny. Now those tweets, jesus... Tell me americans, what the fuck have you done? Is this really the new president of the most powerful country on earth?

And to trumpers here, what do you think of him trusting more russians than US agencies?
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-11 15:18:47
January 11 2017 15:17 GMT
#130757
"Unverified but explosive" what a brilliant way to cover for proliferating absolute bullshit without taking credit for it. Pretty much the definition of fake news right there but some people will pretend that your buried qualifier makes it a sign of credibility.

On January 12 2017 00:12 Furikawari wrote:
Ok, until today I more or less thought it was funny. Now those tweets, jesus... Tell me americans, what the fuck have you done? Is this really the new president of the most powerful country on earth?

And to trumpers here, what do you think of him trusting more russians than US agencies?

What Americans did was create a situation where both parties put forward a candidate that most people in the country utterly despised. And we were forced to make a choice, and here was the result.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18250 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-11 15:18:32
January 11 2017 15:18 GMT
#130758
Funnily enough, if we draw his allegory (that he is living in Nazi Germany) through to its logical conclusion, it would make him either Hitler (evil) or von Hindenburg (a chump). Does he really want to go there?
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
January 11 2017 15:20 GMT
#130759
Well Obama is still technically in charge right now, so yeah.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14104 Posts
January 11 2017 15:27 GMT
#130760
I think people are missing the fact that unnamed sources aren't trustworthy nor credible. You have to put the burden of trust on the publisher at that point and not the source. CNN and buzzfeed are not trustworthy and post a lot of fake news. It doesn't matter who they say the source is at any point if they can't actually show who or where the story comes from.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
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