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oneofthem
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On December 31 2016 06:57 oneofthem wrote: since we are going appropriately full medieval anyway, the question must be asked. when is putin returning constantinople to christendom? Probably whenever the Turks get uppity about the Bosphorus again. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On December 31 2016 06:29 LegalLord wrote: Then again, so is the vacuous commentary from the sidelines by his supporters who are remarkably uncritical of his errors (and of some of his "successes" for that matter), so it all sort of balances out. both are indeed amusing. though it's rather hard to remember woh's who well enough to know which people are donig that, and which cases are merely different people on the "same" side using different reasons and objections. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On December 31 2016 07:02 zlefin wrote: both are indeed amusing. though it's rather hard to remember woh's who well enough to know which people are donig that, and which cases are merely different people on the "same" side using different reasons and objections. Plenty of different people have plenty of different concerns about Obama. That isn't surprising - certain folk just like to label all opposition together for political expediency. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On December 31 2016 07:04 LegalLord wrote: Plenty of different people have plenty of different concerns about Obama. That isn't surprising - certain folk just like to label all opposition together for political expediency. aye, and when people like you and the guy you were responding to make vague accusations it becomes very hard to tell; because it's not clear who you're talking about, and it may not be anyone here, so it's impossible to tell if you're right or not, other than in the vague sense that someone somehwere fits the description; or perhaps you're each making snide remarks about a person, without being clear its about that person; and it often feels like i'ts that. | ||
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Euphorbus
92 Posts
But now, just a month from Trump assuming office, and let's not forget Trump was elected in part by voters thought he was unqualified to be president (17%). So apparently these Trump voters wanted him exactly because they think Trump will make a terrible president (source: https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2379). I guess in the same sense that the piratebay owner wants Trump to be president, as only that will blow up the system, but I digress... So after a 8 year president, just weeks before Trump, Obama suddenly changes a decades long US policy to protect Israel from any veto. Why? This still puzzles me. Why not at the start of the presidency? The US president doesn't have enough power to do this, except in the case when you will be gone in weeks anyway? Or did something change? And even if you want the settlements to stop, you know Trump flipped flopped (he was the most anti Israel candidate in a long time way at the beginning of the nomination campaign, you remember that?), and now he is extremely hawkish/authoritarian on this subject. Netanyahu lashing out at anyone because of the vote, that was both amusing and though 100% predictable, it was astonishing to actually see him do it. I guess in the eyes of the world he out-clowned himself even more then back when he had the cardboard cutout of a bomb in the UN, talking about Iran's imminent nuking of Israel. And the whole thing with Putin, that amazed me to no end. Especially when in a debate with Clinton, Trump actually went out of his way to defend Putin. When Clinton connected him with Putin, Trump was like "Yes, and Putin is a good guy!" I know Trump 'is like a smart person', which means he isn't smart. But Putin is smart. It is extremely embarrassing to see him being played by Putin so badly. I mean, Trump is like a Putin apologist. It is amazing. Remember when Blair was like Bush's lap dog. Is Trump really Putin's lap dog? Also, Trump going onto twitter at 3 AM, and talking about a nuclear arms race, that is extremely worrying. Add to that that Trump basically hired only donors, some of which outspokenly racist/white supremacist, to his cabinet, and really so far the Trump (runup to) presidency couldn't have been worse. Drain the swamp huh? Trump's mind seems so feeble, he agrees with whoever he spoke with last, it seems. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
Add to that that Trump basically hired only donors, some of which outspokenly racist/white supremacist, to his cabinet, and really so far the Trump (runup to) presidency couldn't have been worse Could be misremembering here but I thought it was more like 38% of people considered were donors, and like 30 something of those eventually appointed? | ||
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Euphorbus
92 Posts
Then Bannon and Conway as unofficial advisors(and the people these two actually work for, which we aren't sure about), as well as his son in law. Then the others are some establishment republicans, some of his old opponents he completely insulted in the primaries. Only people he got that he promised he would appoint are some generals/officers, I guess. | ||
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oneofthem
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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farvacola
United States18828 Posts
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ZapRoffo
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LegalLord
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On December 31 2016 11:03 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Could be misremembering here but I thought it was more like 38% of people considered were donors, and like 30 something of those eventually appointed? Donors seems the more tame part, where's all these "outspokenly racist/white supremacist" people? I would expect much more coverage if this were true and not the usual slander. We had deserved reporting on the climate change denier EPA guy and I didn't really have to be especially looking into the picks to see all the reporting on it. Is this just another play on the expansive definition of racism? Maybe also white identity politics is white supremacy? | ||
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CatharsisUT
United States487 Posts
On December 31 2016 06:19 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Personally i don't want to see WW3 with Russia but Obama seems hell bent on provoking it. Jan 20 cannot come soon enough. Do you think anyone believes these scare tactics? This is not even close to credible fear-mongering....ESPECIALLY from a supporter of the man who just tweeted "let it be an arms race!" | ||
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CatharsisUT
United States487 Posts
On December 31 2016 12:51 LegalLord wrote: It's a nice change of pace from "blame Russia for everything" at least. In what way is it "nice?" I'm not sure how Trump's underlying view on Russia wasn't a bigger story earlier in the election. When asked about Putin, he literally said "If he says great things about me, I'm going to say great things about him." That's the level of nuance he has in his foreign policy thought. Just complement Trump and you can invade whichever countries you want, no problem. I'm sure all criticism of Russia has been unwarranted, those friendly, Crimea-invading, civilian-bombing, email-hacking Russians. So no, I wouldn't say it's a "nice change of pace" to have a President who bases foreign policy on his vanity. | ||
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mustaju
Estonia4504 Posts
On December 31 2016 15:18 CatharsisUT wrote: Do you think anyone believes these scare tactics? This is not even close to credible fear-mongering....ESPECIALLY from a supporter of the man who just tweeted "let it be an arms race!" Technically it might not be a contradiction. WW3 with China, for example, might be totally OK for him. | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On December 31 2016 15:26 CatharsisUT wrote: In what way is it "nice?" I'm not sure how Trump's underlying view on Russia wasn't a bigger story earlier in the election. When asked about Putin, he literally said "If he says great things about me, I'm going to say great things about him." That's the level of nuance he has in his foreign policy thought. Just complement Trump and you can invade whichever countries you want, no problem. I'm sure all criticism of Russia has been unwarranted, those friendly, Crimea-invading, civilian-bombing, email-hacking Russians. So no, I wouldn't say it's a "nice change of pace" to have a President who bases foreign policy on his vanity. I think it's a nice change of pace from the friendly, Iraq-invading, civilian-droning, NSA-hacking, opposition-funding-in-foreign-countries-all-over-the-fucking-world, innocent-people-torturing-in-Gitmo, enslaving-black-people-in-prisons, terrorist-supporting-in-Syria, "fuck-the-EU", Americans. That said, I don't think it's gonna get any better with Trump. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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LegalLord
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Silvanel
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