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On December 21 2016 02:10 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 02:04 Doodsmack wrote:On December 21 2016 02:00 Gorsameth wrote:On December 21 2016 01:54 Doodsmack wrote:On December 21 2016 01:52 Gorsameth wrote:On December 21 2016 01:49 Doodsmack wrote:The leader of the Austrian far-right Freedom Party has signed what he called a cooperation agreement with Russia’s ruling party and recently met with Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn, the designated national security adviser to President-elect Donald J. Trump of the United States.
Word of the agreement with Russia was the latest sign that the Kremlin is forging bonds with political parties across Europe in what some European leaders suspect is a coordinated attempt to meddle in their affairs and potentially weaken Western democracies. Many of these efforts are murky and involve obscure groups, and it is unclear what, if any, direct involvement President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia may have.
The Freedom Party leader, Heinz-Christian Strache, reported the signing of the agreement with United Russia, Mr. Putin’s party, on Monday on his Facebook page, where he also disclosed that he had visited General Flynn a few weeks ago in Trump Tower in New York.
“Internationally, the Freedom Party continues to gain in influence,” wrote Mr. Strache, a dental technician who has led the party since 2005.
The Freedom Party, founded in the 1950s by ex-Nazis, surged this year... The New York Times And why is Flynn mentioned in this when he appears to have nothing to do with the subject of the article? See my edit about the symbiotic relationship between Russia and Western populists. Still has nothing to do with why Flynn is mentioned. Did he broker the agreement between this Austrian Political Party and the Russian Party? If so why not say that (and provide something of evidence) It does not mention anything he did, it just casually drops his name with 0 attachment what so ever to the context. Well the Austrian guy mentioned Flynn in the same breath as this thing with Russia, so while Flynn is not directly involved in the agreement, this shows the alignment between populist parties and other populists and between populist parties and Russia. This is who the Trump camp is associating with. I'm sure that this man also met with other people during the last few weeks, why are they not reported in the article? I have plenty of trepidation about Trump's Russian connections but just name dropping Trump associates into random articles concerning Russia is bullshit. Without evidence of a connection between Flynn's visit and this deal there is no reason to name drop him other then to try and create clickbait.
Hey man, i see you are Dutch so i was wondering what your opinion is and what is the general opinion in Netherlands of Geert Wilders?
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On December 21 2016 02:14 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 02:10 Gorsameth wrote:On December 21 2016 02:04 Doodsmack wrote:On December 21 2016 02:00 Gorsameth wrote:On December 21 2016 01:54 Doodsmack wrote:On December 21 2016 01:52 Gorsameth wrote:On December 21 2016 01:49 Doodsmack wrote:The leader of the Austrian far-right Freedom Party has signed what he called a cooperation agreement with Russia’s ruling party and recently met with Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn, the designated national security adviser to President-elect Donald J. Trump of the United States.
Word of the agreement with Russia was the latest sign that the Kremlin is forging bonds with political parties across Europe in what some European leaders suspect is a coordinated attempt to meddle in their affairs and potentially weaken Western democracies. Many of these efforts are murky and involve obscure groups, and it is unclear what, if any, direct involvement President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia may have.
The Freedom Party leader, Heinz-Christian Strache, reported the signing of the agreement with United Russia, Mr. Putin’s party, on Monday on his Facebook page, where he also disclosed that he had visited General Flynn a few weeks ago in Trump Tower in New York.
“Internationally, the Freedom Party continues to gain in influence,” wrote Mr. Strache, a dental technician who has led the party since 2005.
The Freedom Party, founded in the 1950s by ex-Nazis, surged this year... The New York Times And why is Flynn mentioned in this when he appears to have nothing to do with the subject of the article? See my edit about the symbiotic relationship between Russia and Western populists. Still has nothing to do with why Flynn is mentioned. Did he broker the agreement between this Austrian Political Party and the Russian Party? If so why not say that (and provide something of evidence) It does not mention anything he did, it just casually drops his name with 0 attachment what so ever to the context. Well the Austrian guy mentioned Flynn in the same breath as this thing with Russia, so while Flynn is not directly involved in the agreement, this shows the alignment between populist parties and other populists and between populist parties and Russia. This is who the Trump camp is associating with. I'm sure that this man also met with other people during the last few weeks, why are they not reported in the article? I have plenty of trepidation about Trump's Russian connections but just name dropping Trump associates into random articles concerning Russia is bullshit. Without evidence of a connection between Flynn's visit and this deal there is no reason to name drop him other then to try and create clickbait. The mere fact that this Austrian populist party is aligned with both Russia and Trump's camp, and mentions both in the same breath, is newsworthy. And "newsworthy" is different from "there is definitely a sinister conspiracy here", which is not what the article is saying.
Finally some good news in the world.
EDIT: Oh I just realised you quotted NYTimes as a reliable news source. Lol.
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On December 21 2016 01:47 LegalLord wrote:Obama interview with NPR on his way out: linkLot of garden variety stuff, but one notable tidbit of commentary: Show nested quote +'This is going to be a browner country'
Obama spoke about the growing Latino community and how the next generation needs to be educated and feel included in this country since they will be ensuring America's success. "If you stopped all immigration today, just by virtue of birth rates, this is going to be a browner country," he said. For those here who gush over the idea that "whitey" is going to be displaced by demographics and that this is "the last election of the boomers" I suppose that's good commentary. Frankly I'm none too fond of this Democrat trend of saying "the demographics are going to favor us so let's play identity politics all the way to the White House."
Somehow, I don't see this commentary having much success. Irrespective of Obamas speech ability. The following unmentioned slogans
"Maybe Enough Whities Have Died Off 2020"
"We're Fairly Certain Demographic Destiny Has Occurred 2024" (see NYT pre-election articles on Hispanic vote surge and how it will really happen this time)
His word choice rings hollow. How can "be educated and feel included" be taken at face value after noting how the country is getting browner? (Contrast with hypothetical 'country will be getting whiter' scenario that talks of making country more tolerant of whites in face of identity politics). They're just pushing back future outreach efforts with white working class and disaffected independents ... especially when populism fails to protect enough jobs. Will Trump voters forget the campaign of hate casually aimed in their direction if there's no unifying message being propagated? Racism and white privilege arguments might be slowly forgotten if their lampshaded successors (you're so dumb you fall for fake news, you didn't vote in a free and fair election, we really wish your electors would abandon their duty and invalidate your vote) didn't keep cropping up. Obama's finishing up in divisive fashion.
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On December 21 2016 02:14 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 02:10 Gorsameth wrote:On December 21 2016 02:04 Doodsmack wrote:On December 21 2016 02:00 Gorsameth wrote:On December 21 2016 01:54 Doodsmack wrote:On December 21 2016 01:52 Gorsameth wrote:On December 21 2016 01:49 Doodsmack wrote:The leader of the Austrian far-right Freedom Party has signed what he called a cooperation agreement with Russia’s ruling party and recently met with Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn, the designated national security adviser to President-elect Donald J. Trump of the United States.
Word of the agreement with Russia was the latest sign that the Kremlin is forging bonds with political parties across Europe in what some European leaders suspect is a coordinated attempt to meddle in their affairs and potentially weaken Western democracies. Many of these efforts are murky and involve obscure groups, and it is unclear what, if any, direct involvement President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia may have.
The Freedom Party leader, Heinz-Christian Strache, reported the signing of the agreement with United Russia, Mr. Putin’s party, on Monday on his Facebook page, where he also disclosed that he had visited General Flynn a few weeks ago in Trump Tower in New York.
“Internationally, the Freedom Party continues to gain in influence,” wrote Mr. Strache, a dental technician who has led the party since 2005.
The Freedom Party, founded in the 1950s by ex-Nazis, surged this year... The New York Times And why is Flynn mentioned in this when he appears to have nothing to do with the subject of the article? See my edit about the symbiotic relationship between Russia and Western populists. Still has nothing to do with why Flynn is mentioned. Did he broker the agreement between this Austrian Political Party and the Russian Party? If so why not say that (and provide something of evidence) It does not mention anything he did, it just casually drops his name with 0 attachment what so ever to the context. Well the Austrian guy mentioned Flynn in the same breath as this thing with Russia, so while Flynn is not directly involved in the agreement, this shows the alignment between populist parties and other populists and between populist parties and Russia. This is who the Trump camp is associating with. I'm sure that this man also met with other people during the last few weeks, why are they not reported in the article? I have plenty of trepidation about Trump's Russian connections but just name dropping Trump associates into random articles concerning Russia is bullshit. Without evidence of a connection between Flynn's visit and this deal there is no reason to name drop him other then to try and create clickbait. The mere fact that this Austrian populist party is aligned with both Russia and Trump's camp, and mentions both in the same breath, is newsworthy. And "newsworthy" is different from "there is definitely a sinister conspiracy here", which is not what the article is saying.
https://www.facebook.com/HCStrache/
There is his facebook. Go find 'In the same breath'
He made a post saying he met with US politicians, including Flynn. And a completely separate post a day later about this Russian deal.
He is a politician. He meets with lots of other politicians. Many of who have nothing to do with Russia. But the NY Times feels the need to take these completely separate events, with no visible connection between them and report them in the same article to artificially create a connection that has no evidence of existing.
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Tom Arnold claims he has unreleased outtakes of Donald Trump using racially inflammatory language including "every offensive, racist thing ever" recorded when the president-elect was the star of The Apprentice.
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" It was him sitting in that chair saying the N-word, saying the C-word, calling his son a retard, just being so mean to his own children."
Asked by the host as to why he was given the tapes in the first place and why he didn't release them before the election, Arnold said that the people who sent the clips to him worked on The Apprentice and put together a compilation of Trump saying controversial things as a "funny" "Christmas video" as they didn't expect the real estate mogul to win the election. "[When] the people sent it to me, it was funny. Hundreds of people have seen these. It was sort of a Christmas video they put together. He wasn't going to be President of the United States."
When it became clear that Trump had a realistic chance of taking the White House, Arnold claims Hillary Clinton as well as new Apprentice star Arnold Schwarzenegger's agent got involved and wanted the tapes released. "The Sunday before the election, I get a call from [Schwarzenegger] CAA agent, sitting next to [Clinton]. They said, 'I need you to release him saying the N-word.' I said, 'Well, now these people - two editors and an associate producer - are scared to death. They're scared of his people, they're scared of they'll never work again, there's a $5 million confidentiality agreement.'"
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Arnold, who has known Trump for decades, said later in the interview that he doubts they would have made much difference. "I think if the people that like him saw him saying the N-word, he's sitting matter-of-factly in front of there has to be 30 people there, and he's matter-of-factly saying all of this stuff. So I think they would have liked him more, the people. For being politically incorrect."
Yahoo
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On December 21 2016 02:21 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +Tom Arnold claims he has unreleased outtakes of Donald Trump using racially inflammatory language including "every offensive, racist thing ever" recorded when the president-elect was the star of The Apprentice.
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" It was him sitting in that chair saying the N-word, saying the C-word, calling his son a retard, just being so mean to his own children."
Asked by the host as to why he was given the tapes in the first place and why he didn't release them before the election, Arnold said that the people who sent the clips to him worked on The Apprentice and put together a compilation of Trump saying controversial things as a "funny" "Christmas video" as they didn't expect the real estate mogul to win the election. "[When] the people sent it to me, it was funny. Hundreds of people have seen these. It was sort of a Christmas video they put together. He wasn't going to be President of the United States."
When it became clear that Trump had a realistic chance of taking the White House, Arnold claims Hillary Clinton as well as new Apprentice star Arnold Schwarzenegger's agent got involved and wanted the tapes released. "The Sunday before the election, I get a call from [Schwarzenegger] CAA agent, sitting next to [Clinton]. They said, 'I need you to release him saying the N-word.' I said, 'Well, now these people - two editors and an associate producer - are scared to death. They're scared of his people, they're scared of they'll never work again, there's a $5 million confidentiality agreement.'"
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Arnold, who has known Trump for decades, said later in the interview that he doubts they would have made much difference. "I think if the people that like him saw him saying the N-word, he's sitting matter-of-factly in front of there has to be 30 people there, and he's matter-of-factly saying all of this stuff. So I think they would have liked him more, the people. For being politically incorrect." Yahoo
Yes, and CIA has proof russians hacked the election.
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Henry Kissinger has been notably charitable towards Trump, describing him as an opportunity for a better FP. Maybe his lack of an endorsement is the reason Hillary lost?
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On December 21 2016 02:23 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 02:21 Doodsmack wrote:Tom Arnold claims he has unreleased outtakes of Donald Trump using racially inflammatory language including "every offensive, racist thing ever" recorded when the president-elect was the star of The Apprentice.
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" It was him sitting in that chair saying the N-word, saying the C-word, calling his son a retard, just being so mean to his own children."
Asked by the host as to why he was given the tapes in the first place and why he didn't release them before the election, Arnold said that the people who sent the clips to him worked on The Apprentice and put together a compilation of Trump saying controversial things as a "funny" "Christmas video" as they didn't expect the real estate mogul to win the election. "[When] the people sent it to me, it was funny. Hundreds of people have seen these. It was sort of a Christmas video they put together. He wasn't going to be President of the United States."
When it became clear that Trump had a realistic chance of taking the White House, Arnold claims Hillary Clinton as well as new Apprentice star Arnold Schwarzenegger's agent got involved and wanted the tapes released. "The Sunday before the election, I get a call from [Schwarzenegger] CAA agent, sitting next to [Clinton]. They said, 'I need you to release him saying the N-word.' I said, 'Well, now these people - two editors and an associate producer - are scared to death. They're scared of his people, they're scared of they'll never work again, there's a $5 million confidentiality agreement.'"
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Arnold, who has known Trump for decades, said later in the interview that he doubts they would have made much difference. "I think if the people that like him saw him saying the N-word, he's sitting matter-of-factly in front of there has to be 30 people there, and he's matter-of-factly saying all of this stuff. So I think they would have liked him more, the people. For being politically incorrect." Yahoo Yes, and CIA has proof russians hacked the election.
The depths of bias to which people will descend in support of a political candidate. To not believe Russians hacked the election is to let bias shut off your brain.
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On December 21 2016 02:23 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 02:21 Doodsmack wrote:Tom Arnold claims he has unreleased outtakes of Donald Trump using racially inflammatory language including "every offensive, racist thing ever" recorded when the president-elect was the star of The Apprentice.
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" It was him sitting in that chair saying the N-word, saying the C-word, calling his son a retard, just being so mean to his own children."
Asked by the host as to why he was given the tapes in the first place and why he didn't release them before the election, Arnold said that the people who sent the clips to him worked on The Apprentice and put together a compilation of Trump saying controversial things as a "funny" "Christmas video" as they didn't expect the real estate mogul to win the election. "[When] the people sent it to me, it was funny. Hundreds of people have seen these. It was sort of a Christmas video they put together. He wasn't going to be President of the United States."
When it became clear that Trump had a realistic chance of taking the White House, Arnold claims Hillary Clinton as well as new Apprentice star Arnold Schwarzenegger's agent got involved and wanted the tapes released. "The Sunday before the election, I get a call from [Schwarzenegger] CAA agent, sitting next to [Clinton]. They said, 'I need you to release him saying the N-word.' I said, 'Well, now these people - two editors and an associate producer - are scared to death. They're scared of his people, they're scared of they'll never work again, there's a $5 million confidentiality agreement.'"
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Arnold, who has known Trump for decades, said later in the interview that he doubts they would have made much difference. "I think if the people that like him saw him saying the N-word, he's sitting matter-of-factly in front of there has to be 30 people there, and he's matter-of-factly saying all of this stuff. So I think they would have liked him more, the people. For being politically incorrect." Yahoo Yes, and CIA has proof russians hacked the election.
along with a dozen plus elements of the US intelligence apparatus, yeah
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On December 21 2016 02:20 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 02:14 Doodsmack wrote:On December 21 2016 02:10 Gorsameth wrote:On December 21 2016 02:04 Doodsmack wrote:On December 21 2016 02:00 Gorsameth wrote:On December 21 2016 01:54 Doodsmack wrote:On December 21 2016 01:52 Gorsameth wrote:On December 21 2016 01:49 Doodsmack wrote:The leader of the Austrian far-right Freedom Party has signed what he called a cooperation agreement with Russia’s ruling party and recently met with Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn, the designated national security adviser to President-elect Donald J. Trump of the United States.
Word of the agreement with Russia was the latest sign that the Kremlin is forging bonds with political parties across Europe in what some European leaders suspect is a coordinated attempt to meddle in their affairs and potentially weaken Western democracies. Many of these efforts are murky and involve obscure groups, and it is unclear what, if any, direct involvement President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia may have.
The Freedom Party leader, Heinz-Christian Strache, reported the signing of the agreement with United Russia, Mr. Putin’s party, on Monday on his Facebook page, where he also disclosed that he had visited General Flynn a few weeks ago in Trump Tower in New York.
“Internationally, the Freedom Party continues to gain in influence,” wrote Mr. Strache, a dental technician who has led the party since 2005.
The Freedom Party, founded in the 1950s by ex-Nazis, surged this year... The New York Times And why is Flynn mentioned in this when he appears to have nothing to do with the subject of the article? See my edit about the symbiotic relationship between Russia and Western populists. Still has nothing to do with why Flynn is mentioned. Did he broker the agreement between this Austrian Political Party and the Russian Party? If so why not say that (and provide something of evidence) It does not mention anything he did, it just casually drops his name with 0 attachment what so ever to the context. Well the Austrian guy mentioned Flynn in the same breath as this thing with Russia, so while Flynn is not directly involved in the agreement, this shows the alignment between populist parties and other populists and between populist parties and Russia. This is who the Trump camp is associating with. I'm sure that this man also met with other people during the last few weeks, why are they not reported in the article? I have plenty of trepidation about Trump's Russian connections but just name dropping Trump associates into random articles concerning Russia is bullshit. Without evidence of a connection between Flynn's visit and this deal there is no reason to name drop him other then to try and create clickbait. The mere fact that this Austrian populist party is aligned with both Russia and Trump's camp, and mentions both in the same breath, is newsworthy. And "newsworthy" is different from "there is definitely a sinister conspiracy here", which is not what the article is saying. https://www.facebook.com/HCStrache/There is his facebook. Go find 'In the same breath' He made a post saying he met with US politicians, including Flynn. And a completely separate post a day later about this Russian deal. He is a politician. He meets with lots of other politicians. Many of who have nothing to do with Russia. But the NY Times feels the need to take these completely separate events, with no visible connection between them and report them in the same article to artificially create a connection that has no evidence of existing.
He does not meet with all politicians. The Trump camp shows a pattern of meeting with other populist parties, as well as benefitting from the actions of Russia. This particular populist has an actual agreement with Russia. That is what's newsworthy, and I don't believe the article is saying anything more than that.
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On December 21 2016 02:31 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 02:23 NukeD wrote:On December 21 2016 02:21 Doodsmack wrote:Tom Arnold claims he has unreleased outtakes of Donald Trump using racially inflammatory language including "every offensive, racist thing ever" recorded when the president-elect was the star of The Apprentice.
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" It was him sitting in that chair saying the N-word, saying the C-word, calling his son a retard, just being so mean to his own children."
Asked by the host as to why he was given the tapes in the first place and why he didn't release them before the election, Arnold said that the people who sent the clips to him worked on The Apprentice and put together a compilation of Trump saying controversial things as a "funny" "Christmas video" as they didn't expect the real estate mogul to win the election. "[When] the people sent it to me, it was funny. Hundreds of people have seen these. It was sort of a Christmas video they put together. He wasn't going to be President of the United States."
When it became clear that Trump had a realistic chance of taking the White House, Arnold claims Hillary Clinton as well as new Apprentice star Arnold Schwarzenegger's agent got involved and wanted the tapes released. "The Sunday before the election, I get a call from [Schwarzenegger] CAA agent, sitting next to [Clinton]. They said, 'I need you to release him saying the N-word.' I said, 'Well, now these people - two editors and an associate producer - are scared to death. They're scared of his people, they're scared of they'll never work again, there's a $5 million confidentiality agreement.'"
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Arnold, who has known Trump for decades, said later in the interview that he doubts they would have made much difference. "I think if the people that like him saw him saying the N-word, he's sitting matter-of-factly in front of there has to be 30 people there, and he's matter-of-factly saying all of this stuff. So I think they would have liked him more, the people. For being politically incorrect." Yahoo Yes, and CIA has proof russians hacked the election. The depths of bias to which people will descend in support of a political candidate. To not believe Russians hacked the election is to let bias shut off your brain.
The bias you acuse me off is really why you are convinced that Russians had anything to do with it. There is NO PROOF. For goodness sake why did CIA refuse to testify before the congress or refused to give ANY proof. Thats right, because they dont have any. Now, ofcourse it seems likely that Russia would like to do that sort of thing, but its a really big claim to not have it backed up without any sort of evidence. The FBI said themselves that there is no proof and that its highly unlikely.
It is way more likely that the emails were leaked by the DNC insiders but if you only read NYC, CNN, NBC, MSNBC which have lost all credibillity, you wouldnt have heard a peep about that.
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On December 21 2016 02:33 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 02:23 NukeD wrote:On December 21 2016 02:21 Doodsmack wrote:Tom Arnold claims he has unreleased outtakes of Donald Trump using racially inflammatory language including "every offensive, racist thing ever" recorded when the president-elect was the star of The Apprentice.
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" It was him sitting in that chair saying the N-word, saying the C-word, calling his son a retard, just being so mean to his own children."
Asked by the host as to why he was given the tapes in the first place and why he didn't release them before the election, Arnold said that the people who sent the clips to him worked on The Apprentice and put together a compilation of Trump saying controversial things as a "funny" "Christmas video" as they didn't expect the real estate mogul to win the election. "[When] the people sent it to me, it was funny. Hundreds of people have seen these. It was sort of a Christmas video they put together. He wasn't going to be President of the United States."
When it became clear that Trump had a realistic chance of taking the White House, Arnold claims Hillary Clinton as well as new Apprentice star Arnold Schwarzenegger's agent got involved and wanted the tapes released. "The Sunday before the election, I get a call from [Schwarzenegger] CAA agent, sitting next to [Clinton]. They said, 'I need you to release him saying the N-word.' I said, 'Well, now these people - two editors and an associate producer - are scared to death. They're scared of his people, they're scared of they'll never work again, there's a $5 million confidentiality agreement.'"
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Arnold, who has known Trump for decades, said later in the interview that he doubts they would have made much difference. "I think if the people that like him saw him saying the N-word, he's sitting matter-of-factly in front of there has to be 30 people there, and he's matter-of-factly saying all of this stuff. So I think they would have liked him more, the people. For being politically incorrect." Yahoo Yes, and CIA has proof russians hacked the election. along with a dozen plus elements of the US intelligence apparatus, yeah
Give me proof please. I will be waiting here with a smile because you wont be able to provide any, as wont the intelligence agencies. Why? Because it never happened.
Wikileaks, Julian Asange said in his interview with Hannity that the leaks were provided by DNC insiders.
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On December 21 2016 02:46 NukeD wrote:
Wikileaks, Julian Asange said in his interview with Hannity that the leaks were provided by DNC insiders.
Nice proof bro.
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I still am suspicious of the way the CIA has conducted itself recently. They do not enjoy unwavering trust without proof, nor should they. It's suspect that Congress didn't get the briefing they wanted yet WaPo was considered reliable enough to be leaked their "consensus conclusion" here. Certainly, the evidence does suggest Russian involvement as of now and it is consistent with previous Russian hack-leaks, but until they make a case for whatever their ultimate conclusion is I will operate under the knowledge that the CIA would probably blame Russia for earthquakes in California if people would believe it and give a "maybe they're right, maybe not, but they need to prove it" conclusion on their findings.
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On December 21 2016 02:46 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 02:33 ticklishmusic wrote:On December 21 2016 02:23 NukeD wrote:On December 21 2016 02:21 Doodsmack wrote:Tom Arnold claims he has unreleased outtakes of Donald Trump using racially inflammatory language including "every offensive, racist thing ever" recorded when the president-elect was the star of The Apprentice.
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" It was him sitting in that chair saying the N-word, saying the C-word, calling his son a retard, just being so mean to his own children."
Asked by the host as to why he was given the tapes in the first place and why he didn't release them before the election, Arnold said that the people who sent the clips to him worked on The Apprentice and put together a compilation of Trump saying controversial things as a "funny" "Christmas video" as they didn't expect the real estate mogul to win the election. "[When] the people sent it to me, it was funny. Hundreds of people have seen these. It was sort of a Christmas video they put together. He wasn't going to be President of the United States."
When it became clear that Trump had a realistic chance of taking the White House, Arnold claims Hillary Clinton as well as new Apprentice star Arnold Schwarzenegger's agent got involved and wanted the tapes released. "The Sunday before the election, I get a call from [Schwarzenegger] CAA agent, sitting next to [Clinton]. They said, 'I need you to release him saying the N-word.' I said, 'Well, now these people - two editors and an associate producer - are scared to death. They're scared of his people, they're scared of they'll never work again, there's a $5 million confidentiality agreement.'"
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Arnold, who has known Trump for decades, said later in the interview that he doubts they would have made much difference. "I think if the people that like him saw him saying the N-word, he's sitting matter-of-factly in front of there has to be 30 people there, and he's matter-of-factly saying all of this stuff. So I think they would have liked him more, the people. For being politically incorrect." Yahoo Yes, and CIA has proof russians hacked the election. along with a dozen plus elements of the US intelligence apparatus, yeah Give me proof please. I will be waiting here with a smile because you wont be able to provide any, as wont the intelligence agencies. Why? Because it never happened. Wikileaks, Julian Asange said in his interview with Hannity that the leaks were provided by DNC insiders.
it's not even worth arguing with you if you're that level of deluded. these guys are supposed to be trusted more than the US security agencies who have access to far more info and resources?
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On December 21 2016 02:50 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 02:46 NukeD wrote:On December 21 2016 02:33 ticklishmusic wrote:On December 21 2016 02:23 NukeD wrote:On December 21 2016 02:21 Doodsmack wrote:Tom Arnold claims he has unreleased outtakes of Donald Trump using racially inflammatory language including "every offensive, racist thing ever" recorded when the president-elect was the star of The Apprentice.
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" It was him sitting in that chair saying the N-word, saying the C-word, calling his son a retard, just being so mean to his own children."
Asked by the host as to why he was given the tapes in the first place and why he didn't release them before the election, Arnold said that the people who sent the clips to him worked on The Apprentice and put together a compilation of Trump saying controversial things as a "funny" "Christmas video" as they didn't expect the real estate mogul to win the election. "[When] the people sent it to me, it was funny. Hundreds of people have seen these. It was sort of a Christmas video they put together. He wasn't going to be President of the United States."
When it became clear that Trump had a realistic chance of taking the White House, Arnold claims Hillary Clinton as well as new Apprentice star Arnold Schwarzenegger's agent got involved and wanted the tapes released. "The Sunday before the election, I get a call from [Schwarzenegger] CAA agent, sitting next to [Clinton]. They said, 'I need you to release him saying the N-word.' I said, 'Well, now these people - two editors and an associate producer - are scared to death. They're scared of his people, they're scared of they'll never work again, there's a $5 million confidentiality agreement.'"
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Arnold, who has known Trump for decades, said later in the interview that he doubts they would have made much difference. "I think if the people that like him saw him saying the N-word, he's sitting matter-of-factly in front of there has to be 30 people there, and he's matter-of-factly saying all of this stuff. So I think they would have liked him more, the people. For being politically incorrect." Yahoo Yes, and CIA has proof russians hacked the election. along with a dozen plus elements of the US intelligence apparatus, yeah Give me proof please. I will be waiting here with a smile because you wont be able to provide any, as wont the intelligence agencies. Why? Because it never happened. Wikileaks, Julian Asange said in his interview with Hannity that the leaks were provided by DNC insiders. it's not even worth arguing with you if you're that level of deluded. these guys are supposed to be trusted more than the US security agencies who have access to far more info and resources?
Haha, for FFS you are as uninformed and deluded as you can get. Wikileaks are the ones who published the "hacked" emails, so yes, i think they were in corespondence with the peole who provided the leaks.
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On December 21 2016 02:50 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 02:46 NukeD wrote:On December 21 2016 02:33 ticklishmusic wrote:On December 21 2016 02:23 NukeD wrote:On December 21 2016 02:21 Doodsmack wrote:Tom Arnold claims he has unreleased outtakes of Donald Trump using racially inflammatory language including "every offensive, racist thing ever" recorded when the president-elect was the star of The Apprentice.
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" It was him sitting in that chair saying the N-word, saying the C-word, calling his son a retard, just being so mean to his own children."
Asked by the host as to why he was given the tapes in the first place and why he didn't release them before the election, Arnold said that the people who sent the clips to him worked on The Apprentice and put together a compilation of Trump saying controversial things as a "funny" "Christmas video" as they didn't expect the real estate mogul to win the election. "[When] the people sent it to me, it was funny. Hundreds of people have seen these. It was sort of a Christmas video they put together. He wasn't going to be President of the United States."
When it became clear that Trump had a realistic chance of taking the White House, Arnold claims Hillary Clinton as well as new Apprentice star Arnold Schwarzenegger's agent got involved and wanted the tapes released. "The Sunday before the election, I get a call from [Schwarzenegger] CAA agent, sitting next to [Clinton]. They said, 'I need you to release him saying the N-word.' I said, 'Well, now these people - two editors and an associate producer - are scared to death. They're scared of his people, they're scared of they'll never work again, there's a $5 million confidentiality agreement.'"
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Arnold, who has known Trump for decades, said later in the interview that he doubts they would have made much difference. "I think if the people that like him saw him saying the N-word, he's sitting matter-of-factly in front of there has to be 30 people there, and he's matter-of-factly saying all of this stuff. So I think they would have liked him more, the people. For being politically incorrect." Yahoo Yes, and CIA has proof russians hacked the election. along with a dozen plus elements of the US intelligence apparatus, yeah Give me proof please. I will be waiting here with a smile because you wont be able to provide any, as wont the intelligence agencies. Why? Because it never happened. Wikileaks, Julian Asange said in his interview with Hannity that the leaks were provided by DNC insiders. it's not even worth arguing with you if you're that level of deluded. these guys are supposed to be trusted more than the US security agencies who have access to far more info and resources?
Why don't you trust no-one and don't really believe anything until proof is released?
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To be perfectly fair, even if Russia leaked they wouldn't have to tell Wikileaks that they were the Russians. They could just give the materials from an anonymous source.
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On December 21 2016 02:55 NukeD wrote:
Wikileaks are the ones who published the "hacked" emails, so yes, i think they were in corespondence with the peole who provided the leaks.
Where is their proof?
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