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Meh, fair enough, there are people like that in the thread. I wouldn't have thought that was enough to be a SJW honestly.
Perhaps if you expand the meaning too much, the word will lose its meaning x)
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On November 19 2016 03:14 LegalLord wrote:
I blame Henry Kissinger not endorsing Clinton for her loss. As far as I'm concerned that's as valid a reason for her loss as sexism, Hitler, Darth Vader, Bernie Bros, Comey, Assange, the evil Russians, or racists. They all fail to accept that the candidate herself opened the door to this loss by being terrible.
I kind of want to make a joke about a perceived racist succeeding two black AGs ina row and being held up as someone who will clean up after them. But I can't imagine any such joke would be in good taste.
In testimony before the committee, former colleagues said that Mr. Sessions had referred to the N.A.A.C.P., the Southern Christian Leadership Conference and other civil rights groups as “un-American” and “Communist-inspired.” An African-American federal prosecutor then, Thomas H. Figures, said Mr. Sessions had referred to him as “boy” and testified that Mr. Sessions said the Ku Klux Klan was fine “until I found out they smoked pot.” Mr. Sessions dismissed that remark as a joke.
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On November 19 2016 03:14 LegalLord wrote:
I blame Henry Kissinger not endorsing Clinton for her loss. As far as I'm concerned that's as valid a reason for her loss as sexism, Hitler, Darth Vader, Bernie Bros, Comey, Assange, the evil Russians, or racists. They all fail to accept that the candidate herself opened the door to this loss by being terrible.
I kind of want to make a joke about a perceived racist succeeding two black AGs ina row and being held up as someone who will clean up after them. But I can't imagine any such joke would be in good taste.
I thought it would be kinda funny if the new head of the DNC wound up on Trump's Muslim registry. Just imagine the shitstorm that would cause. But it doesn't look like we're gonna see it.
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On November 19 2016 03:15 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2016 03:14 LegalLord wrote:
I blame Henry Kissinger not endorsing Clinton for her loss. As far as I'm concerned that's as valid a reason for her loss as sexism, Hitler, Darth Vader, Bernie Bros, Comey, Assange, the evil Russians, or racists. They all fail to accept that the candidate herself opened the door to this loss by being terrible.
I kind of want to make a joke about a perceived racist succeeding two black AGs ina row and being held up as someone who will clean up after them. But I can't imagine any such joke would be in good taste. Show nested quote +In testimony before the committee, former colleagues said that Mr. Sessions had referred to the N.A.A.C.P., the Southern Christian Leadership Conference and other civil rights groups as “un-American” and “Communist-inspired.” An African-American federal prosecutor then, Thomas H. Figures, said Mr. Sessions had referred to him as “boy” and testified that Mr. Sessions said the Ku Klux Klan was fine “until I found out they smoked pot.” Mr. Sessions dismissed that remark as a joke. http://www.nytimes.com/?action=click&contentCollection=Politics®ion=TopBar&module=HomePage-Button&pgtype=article
Southerners call everyone "boy." That's certainly not an epithet reserved for black people.
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On November 19 2016 03:04 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2016 02:53 Nebuchad wrote:On November 19 2016 02:51 xDaunt wrote:On November 19 2016 02:47 Nebuchad wrote:
The extremely few people I've heard identify themselves as SJWs were generally quite rational, much more than you would expect given the rep they get. I have no doubt that you can dig up a few stories where some of them do something irrational but most of the stories I've seen regarding universities are wilfully amplified to create a controversy. The notable exception is refusing right-wing speakers, that is actually fairly bad. You need look no further than the arguments that there have been with the SJW posters in this thread to see how toxic their perspective is. I don't really see who would be a SJW in this thread, who am I missing? I would have said I'm one of the closest. You are correct on the history zlefin. Plansix is the most notorious and consistent. But the real problem is that the SJW's rhetoric poisons political discourse overall by seeping into the arguments of the left, even if those the various persons on the left making those argument wouldn't consider themselves to be SJWs. We just saw a classic example of this a few posts ago: Show nested quote +On November 19 2016 02:26 Doodsmack wrote:On November 19 2016 01:53 xDaunt wrote:
My biggest hope is that he fixes our immigration system The key to Trump's support. Trump's main support comes in the form of the immigration vote. It's always the first thing they mention. Deep down, these people want less Mexicans and Muslims around. Let's not beat around the bush with abstract cultural decline arguments. None of the conservative posters around here are remotely surprised at Doodsmack's inability to accept or recognize that people who want to stop "fix immigration" -- or even stop illegal immigration -- have reasons for doing so that are unrelated to race. So instead of having a discussion on the merits of proper policy for the country, the discussions has devolved to crass identity politics. This is why I rail against SJWs and the regressive left.
Your supposed intellectual argument of Western cultural decline has been heard in here, it underpins your immigration vote and that being your highest priority with Trump, but it doesn't hold up. Since I don't believe people actually care about abstract culture decline, I conclude it's just a cover for their subconscious tribe mentality.
And I think conservatives let their opinions of the media and the left impede their critical thinking and information filters way too often. No amount of critical thinking ends with the conclusion that Donald Trump is prepared for the job, or willing to prepare - the most fatal flaw a presidential candidate could possibly have.
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On November 19 2016 03:15 Nebuchad wrote:
Meh, fair enough, there are people like that in the thread. I wouldn't have thought that was enough to be a SJW honestly.
Perhaps if you expand the meaning too much, the word will lose its meaning x)
Turning every issue into identity politics poisons the discussion more than most anything else, possibly even more so than assuming the other candidate is corrupt. People generally blame Trump for the poisonous nature of political discourse this time around but on the matter of identity politics you can find no candidate more culpable for that poison than Hillary Clinton.
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On November 19 2016 03:21 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2016 03:04 xDaunt wrote:On November 19 2016 02:53 Nebuchad wrote:On November 19 2016 02:51 xDaunt wrote:On November 19 2016 02:47 Nebuchad wrote:
The extremely few people I've heard identify themselves as SJWs were generally quite rational, much more than you would expect given the rep they get. I have no doubt that you can dig up a few stories where some of them do something irrational but most of the stories I've seen regarding universities are wilfully amplified to create a controversy. The notable exception is refusing right-wing speakers, that is actually fairly bad. You need look no further than the arguments that there have been with the SJW posters in this thread to see how toxic their perspective is. I don't really see who would be a SJW in this thread, who am I missing? I would have said I'm one of the closest. You are correct on the history zlefin. Plansix is the most notorious and consistent. But the real problem is that the SJW's rhetoric poisons political discourse overall by seeping into the arguments of the left, even if those the various persons on the left making those argument wouldn't consider themselves to be SJWs. We just saw a classic example of this a few posts ago: On November 19 2016 02:26 Doodsmack wrote:On November 19 2016 01:53 xDaunt wrote:
My biggest hope is that he fixes our immigration system The key to Trump's support. Trump's main support comes in the form of the immigration vote. It's always the first thing they mention. Deep down, these people want less Mexicans and Muslims around. Let's not beat around the bush with abstract cultural decline arguments. None of the conservative posters around here are remotely surprised at Doodsmack's inability to accept or recognize that people who want to stop "fix immigration" -- or even stop illegal immigration -- have reasons for doing so that are unrelated to race. So instead of having a discussion on the merits of proper policy for the country, the discussions has devolved to crass identity politics. This is why I rail against SJWs and the regressive left. Your supposed intellectual argument of Western cultural decline has been heard in here, it underpins your immigration vote and that being your highest priority with Trump, but it doesn't hold up. Since I don't believe people actually care about abstract culture decline, I conclude it's just a cover for their subconscious tribe mentality. And I think conservatives let their opinions of the media and the left impede their critical thinking and information filters way too often. No amount of critical thinking ends with the conclusion that Donald Trump is prepared for the job, or willing to prepare - the most fatal flaw a presidential candidate could possibly have.
Just because you don't care about cultural decline doesn't mean others don't. As I've said, explaining this issue is like explaining to an uneducated person why college is important. Nevertheless, culture matters, even if you don't see that it does.
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On November 19 2016 03:21 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2016 03:15 Nebuchad wrote:
Meh, fair enough, there are people like that in the thread. I wouldn't have thought that was enough to be a SJW honestly.
Perhaps if you expand the meaning too much, the word will lose its meaning x) Turning every issue into identity politics poisons the discussion more than most anything else, possibly even more so than assuming the other candidate is corrupt. People generally blame Trump for the poisonous nature of political discourse this time around but on the matter of identity politics you can find no candidate more culpable for that poison than Hillary Clinton.
The other sneakily culpable person on this point is Barack Obama. As the first black president, he was uniquely positioned to rein in the identity politics (you know, like he actually promised during his 2008 campaign), but he, too, peddled the same shit as the rest of his party.
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On November 19 2016 03:26 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2016 03:21 LegalLord wrote:On November 19 2016 03:15 Nebuchad wrote:
Meh, fair enough, there are people like that in the thread. I wouldn't have thought that was enough to be a SJW honestly.
Perhaps if you expand the meaning too much, the word will lose its meaning x) Turning every issue into identity politics poisons the discussion more than most anything else, possibly even more so than assuming the other candidate is corrupt. People generally blame Trump for the poisonous nature of political discourse this time around but on the matter of identity politics you can find no candidate more culpable for that poison than Hillary Clinton. The other sneakily culpable person on this point is Barack Obama. As the first black president, he was uniquely positioned to rein in the identity politics (you know, like he actually promised during his 2008 campaign), but he, too, peddled the same shit as the rest of his party.
I give him a lot of credit for not making it the core of his campaign. He never made a big deal about being "the first black president," he was simply the president and acted like it. He could have done more against it, certainly, but he never took it to the lengths that Clinton did and he gets a lot of credit for that.
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Keith elison and his power base of Somali immigrants would probably fall a lot into the Muslim registry. They're still very tribal with a group of elders leading everything. They're the largest source of ISIS recuitment behind ohio.
It's not unreasonable to say that elison has to represent some antisemitism with the community that voted him in.
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On November 19 2016 03:23 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2016 03:21 Doodsmack wrote:On November 19 2016 03:04 xDaunt wrote:On November 19 2016 02:53 Nebuchad wrote:On November 19 2016 02:51 xDaunt wrote:On November 19 2016 02:47 Nebuchad wrote:
The extremely few people I've heard identify themselves as SJWs were generally quite rational, much more than you would expect given the rep they get. I have no doubt that you can dig up a few stories where some of them do something irrational but most of the stories I've seen regarding universities are wilfully amplified to create a controversy. The notable exception is refusing right-wing speakers, that is actually fairly bad. You need look no further than the arguments that there have been with the SJW posters in this thread to see how toxic their perspective is. I don't really see who would be a SJW in this thread, who am I missing? I would have said I'm one of the closest. You are correct on the history zlefin. Plansix is the most notorious and consistent. But the real problem is that the SJW's rhetoric poisons political discourse overall by seeping into the arguments of the left, even if those the various persons on the left making those argument wouldn't consider themselves to be SJWs. We just saw a classic example of this a few posts ago: On November 19 2016 02:26 Doodsmack wrote:On November 19 2016 01:53 xDaunt wrote:
My biggest hope is that he fixes our immigration system The key to Trump's support. Trump's main support comes in the form of the immigration vote. It's always the first thing they mention. Deep down, these people want less Mexicans and Muslims around. Let's not beat around the bush with abstract cultural decline arguments. None of the conservative posters around here are remotely surprised at Doodsmack's inability to accept or recognize that people who want to stop "fix immigration" -- or even stop illegal immigration -- have reasons for doing so that are unrelated to race. So instead of having a discussion on the merits of proper policy for the country, the discussions has devolved to crass identity politics. This is why I rail against SJWs and the regressive left. Your supposed intellectual argument of Western cultural decline has been heard in here, it underpins your immigration vote and that being your highest priority with Trump, but it doesn't hold up. Since I don't believe people actually care about abstract culture decline, I conclude it's just a cover for their subconscious tribe mentality. And I think conservatives let their opinions of the media and the left impede their critical thinking and information filters way too often. No amount of critical thinking ends with the conclusion that Donald Trump is prepared for the job, or willing to prepare - the most fatal flaw a presidential candidate could possibly have. Just because you don't care about cultural decline doesn't mean others don't. As I've said, explaining this issue is like explaining to an uneducated person why college is important. Nevertheless, culture matters, even if you don't see that it does.
I'm saying that because people can only come up with an abstract argument that their culture is declining, rather than real and concrete examples, the only conclusion left is that they have a tribe mentality. Your attempt to transform tribe mentality into an intellectual argument has failed until you can show concrete examples of meaningful cultural decline.
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I really dislike how strongly antisemitism and anti-Israeli sentiments creeped its way into leftist rhetoric. It's the wrong battle for them to fight.
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On November 19 2016 03:21 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2016 03:15 Nebuchad wrote:
Meh, fair enough, there are people like that in the thread. I wouldn't have thought that was enough to be a SJW honestly.
Perhaps if you expand the meaning too much, the word will lose its meaning x) Turning every issue into identity politics poisons the discussion more than most anything else, possibly even more so than assuming the other candidate is corrupt. People generally blame Trump for the poisonous nature of political discourse this time around but on the matter of identity politics you can find no candidate more culpable for that poison than Hillary Clinton.
All right, so let's not turn every issue into identity politics. What would you say are legitimate issues for identity politics?
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On November 19 2016 03:34 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2016 03:23 LegalLord wrote:On November 19 2016 03:21 Doodsmack wrote:On November 19 2016 03:04 xDaunt wrote:On November 19 2016 02:53 Nebuchad wrote:On November 19 2016 02:51 xDaunt wrote:On November 19 2016 02:47 Nebuchad wrote:
The extremely few people I've heard identify themselves as SJWs were generally quite rational, much more than you would expect given the rep they get. I have no doubt that you can dig up a few stories where some of them do something irrational but most of the stories I've seen regarding universities are wilfully amplified to create a controversy. The notable exception is refusing right-wing speakers, that is actually fairly bad. You need look no further than the arguments that there have been with the SJW posters in this thread to see how toxic their perspective is. I don't really see who would be a SJW in this thread, who am I missing? I would have said I'm one of the closest. You are correct on the history zlefin. Plansix is the most notorious and consistent. But the real problem is that the SJW's rhetoric poisons political discourse overall by seeping into the arguments of the left, even if those the various persons on the left making those argument wouldn't consider themselves to be SJWs. We just saw a classic example of this a few posts ago: On November 19 2016 02:26 Doodsmack wrote:On November 19 2016 01:53 xDaunt wrote:
My biggest hope is that he fixes our immigration system The key to Trump's support. Trump's main support comes in the form of the immigration vote. It's always the first thing they mention. Deep down, these people want less Mexicans and Muslims around. Let's not beat around the bush with abstract cultural decline arguments. None of the conservative posters around here are remotely surprised at Doodsmack's inability to accept or recognize that people who want to stop "fix immigration" -- or even stop illegal immigration -- have reasons for doing so that are unrelated to race. So instead of having a discussion on the merits of proper policy for the country, the discussions has devolved to crass identity politics. This is why I rail against SJWs and the regressive left. Your supposed intellectual argument of Western cultural decline has been heard in here, it underpins your immigration vote and that being your highest priority with Trump, but it doesn't hold up. Since I don't believe people actually care about abstract culture decline, I conclude it's just a cover for their subconscious tribe mentality. And I think conservatives let their opinions of the media and the left impede their critical thinking and information filters way too often. No amount of critical thinking ends with the conclusion that Donald Trump is prepared for the job, or willing to prepare - the most fatal flaw a presidential candidate could possibly have. Just because you don't care about cultural decline doesn't mean others don't. As I've said, explaining this issue is like explaining to an uneducated person why college is important. Nevertheless, culture matters, even if you don't see that it does. I'm saying that because people can only come up with an abstract argument that their culture is declining, rather than real and concrete examples, the only conclusion left is that they have a tribe mentality. Your attempt to transform tribe mentality into an intellectual argument has failed until you can show concrete examples of meaningful cultural decline.
You do realize culture is an abstract concept on the social output of a community. The fact that rural communities are declining is the obvious and concrete example of cultural decline.
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On November 19 2016 03:39 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2016 03:21 LegalLord wrote:On November 19 2016 03:15 Nebuchad wrote:
Meh, fair enough, there are people like that in the thread. I wouldn't have thought that was enough to be a SJW honestly.
Perhaps if you expand the meaning too much, the word will lose its meaning x) Turning every issue into identity politics poisons the discussion more than most anything else, possibly even more so than assuming the other candidate is corrupt. People generally blame Trump for the poisonous nature of political discourse this time around but on the matter of identity politics you can find no candidate more culpable for that poison than Hillary Clinton. All right, so let's not turn every issue into identity politics. What would you say are legitimate issues for identity politics?
The one special case that I'd consider would be policies for helping out the black community.
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On November 19 2016 03:23 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2016 03:21 Doodsmack wrote:On November 19 2016 03:04 xDaunt wrote:On November 19 2016 02:53 Nebuchad wrote:On November 19 2016 02:51 xDaunt wrote:On November 19 2016 02:47 Nebuchad wrote:
The extremely few people I've heard identify themselves as SJWs were generally quite rational, much more than you would expect given the rep they get. I have no doubt that you can dig up a few stories where some of them do something irrational but most of the stories I've seen regarding universities are wilfully amplified to create a controversy. The notable exception is refusing right-wing speakers, that is actually fairly bad. You need look no further than the arguments that there have been with the SJW posters in this thread to see how toxic their perspective is. I don't really see who would be a SJW in this thread, who am I missing? I would have said I'm one of the closest. You are correct on the history zlefin. Plansix is the most notorious and consistent. But the real problem is that the SJW's rhetoric poisons political discourse overall by seeping into the arguments of the left, even if those the various persons on the left making those argument wouldn't consider themselves to be SJWs. We just saw a classic example of this a few posts ago: On November 19 2016 02:26 Doodsmack wrote:On November 19 2016 01:53 xDaunt wrote:
My biggest hope is that he fixes our immigration system The key to Trump's support. Trump's main support comes in the form of the immigration vote. It's always the first thing they mention. Deep down, these people want less Mexicans and Muslims around. Let's not beat around the bush with abstract cultural decline arguments. None of the conservative posters around here are remotely surprised at Doodsmack's inability to accept or recognize that people who want to stop "fix immigration" -- or even stop illegal immigration -- have reasons for doing so that are unrelated to race. So instead of having a discussion on the merits of proper policy for the country, the discussions has devolved to crass identity politics. This is why I rail against SJWs and the regressive left. Your supposed intellectual argument of Western cultural decline has been heard in here, it underpins your immigration vote and that being your highest priority with Trump, but it doesn't hold up. Since I don't believe people actually care about abstract culture decline, I conclude it's just a cover for their subconscious tribe mentality. And I think conservatives let their opinions of the media and the left impede their critical thinking and information filters way too often. No amount of critical thinking ends with the conclusion that Donald Trump is prepared for the job, or willing to prepare - the most fatal flaw a presidential candidate could possibly have. Just because you don't care about cultural decline doesn't mean others don't. As I've said, explaining this issue is like explaining to an uneducated person why college is important. Nevertheless, culture matters, even if you don't see that it does.
I would like you to define this culture you are referring to in the US and what you consider to be decline.
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On November 19 2016 03:39 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2016 03:34 Doodsmack wrote:On November 19 2016 03:23 LegalLord wrote:On November 19 2016 03:21 Doodsmack wrote:On November 19 2016 03:04 xDaunt wrote:On November 19 2016 02:53 Nebuchad wrote:On November 19 2016 02:51 xDaunt wrote:On November 19 2016 02:47 Nebuchad wrote:
The extremely few people I've heard identify themselves as SJWs were generally quite rational, much more than you would expect given the rep they get. I have no doubt that you can dig up a few stories where some of them do something irrational but most of the stories I've seen regarding universities are wilfully amplified to create a controversy. The notable exception is refusing right-wing speakers, that is actually fairly bad. You need look no further than the arguments that there have been with the SJW posters in this thread to see how toxic their perspective is. I don't really see who would be a SJW in this thread, who am I missing? I would have said I'm one of the closest. You are correct on the history zlefin. Plansix is the most notorious and consistent. But the real problem is that the SJW's rhetoric poisons political discourse overall by seeping into the arguments of the left, even if those the various persons on the left making those argument wouldn't consider themselves to be SJWs. We just saw a classic example of this a few posts ago: On November 19 2016 02:26 Doodsmack wrote:On November 19 2016 01:53 xDaunt wrote:
My biggest hope is that he fixes our immigration system The key to Trump's support. Trump's main support comes in the form of the immigration vote. It's always the first thing they mention. Deep down, these people want less Mexicans and Muslims around. Let's not beat around the bush with abstract cultural decline arguments. None of the conservative posters around here are remotely surprised at Doodsmack's inability to accept or recognize that people who want to stop "fix immigration" -- or even stop illegal immigration -- have reasons for doing so that are unrelated to race. So instead of having a discussion on the merits of proper policy for the country, the discussions has devolved to crass identity politics. This is why I rail against SJWs and the regressive left. Your supposed intellectual argument of Western cultural decline has been heard in here, it underpins your immigration vote and that being your highest priority with Trump, but it doesn't hold up. Since I don't believe people actually care about abstract culture decline, I conclude it's just a cover for their subconscious tribe mentality. And I think conservatives let their opinions of the media and the left impede their critical thinking and information filters way too often. No amount of critical thinking ends with the conclusion that Donald Trump is prepared for the job, or willing to prepare - the most fatal flaw a presidential candidate could possibly have. Just because you don't care about cultural decline doesn't mean others don't. As I've said, explaining this issue is like explaining to an uneducated person why college is important. Nevertheless, culture matters, even if you don't see that it does. I'm saying that because people can only come up with an abstract argument that their culture is declining, rather than real and concrete examples, the only conclusion left is that they have a tribe mentality. Your attempt to transform tribe mentality into an intellectual argument has failed until you can show concrete examples of meaningful cultural decline. You do realize culture is an abstract concept on the social output of a community. The fact that rural communities are declining is the obvious and concrete example of cultural decline.
Sounds like a purely economic decline to me.
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On November 19 2016 03:49 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2016 03:23 LegalLord wrote:On November 19 2016 03:21 Doodsmack wrote:On November 19 2016 03:04 xDaunt wrote:On November 19 2016 02:53 Nebuchad wrote:On November 19 2016 02:51 xDaunt wrote:On November 19 2016 02:47 Nebuchad wrote:
The extremely few people I've heard identify themselves as SJWs were generally quite rational, much more than you would expect given the rep they get. I have no doubt that you can dig up a few stories where some of them do something irrational but most of the stories I've seen regarding universities are wilfully amplified to create a controversy. The notable exception is refusing right-wing speakers, that is actually fairly bad. You need look no further than the arguments that there have been with the SJW posters in this thread to see how toxic their perspective is. I don't really see who would be a SJW in this thread, who am I missing? I would have said I'm one of the closest. You are correct on the history zlefin. Plansix is the most notorious and consistent. But the real problem is that the SJW's rhetoric poisons political discourse overall by seeping into the arguments of the left, even if those the various persons on the left making those argument wouldn't consider themselves to be SJWs. We just saw a classic example of this a few posts ago: On November 19 2016 02:26 Doodsmack wrote:On November 19 2016 01:53 xDaunt wrote:
My biggest hope is that he fixes our immigration system The key to Trump's support. Trump's main support comes in the form of the immigration vote. It's always the first thing they mention. Deep down, these people want less Mexicans and Muslims around. Let's not beat around the bush with abstract cultural decline arguments. None of the conservative posters around here are remotely surprised at Doodsmack's inability to accept or recognize that people who want to stop "fix immigration" -- or even stop illegal immigration -- have reasons for doing so that are unrelated to race. So instead of having a discussion on the merits of proper policy for the country, the discussions has devolved to crass identity politics. This is why I rail against SJWs and the regressive left. Your supposed intellectual argument of Western cultural decline has been heard in here, it underpins your immigration vote and that being your highest priority with Trump, but it doesn't hold up. Since I don't believe people actually care about abstract culture decline, I conclude it's just a cover for their subconscious tribe mentality. And I think conservatives let their opinions of the media and the left impede their critical thinking and information filters way too often. No amount of critical thinking ends with the conclusion that Donald Trump is prepared for the job, or willing to prepare - the most fatal flaw a presidential candidate could possibly have. Just because you don't care about cultural decline doesn't mean others don't. As I've said, explaining this issue is like explaining to an uneducated person why college is important. Nevertheless, culture matters, even if you don't see that it does. I would like you to define this culture you are referring to in the US and what you consider to be decline.
Some other time perhaps. Right now in this context I really don't see anything productive coming of it. For now just realize that there is this idea of culture that people care about and that some perceive decline there. I briefly covered that issue for the rural communities in my earlier post.
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On November 19 2016 03:40 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2016 03:39 Nebuchad wrote:On November 19 2016 03:21 LegalLord wrote:On November 19 2016 03:15 Nebuchad wrote:
Meh, fair enough, there are people like that in the thread. I wouldn't have thought that was enough to be a SJW honestly.
Perhaps if you expand the meaning too much, the word will lose its meaning x) Turning every issue into identity politics poisons the discussion more than most anything else, possibly even more so than assuming the other candidate is corrupt. People generally blame Trump for the poisonous nature of political discourse this time around but on the matter of identity politics you can find no candidate more culpable for that poison than Hillary Clinton. All right, so let's not turn every issue into identity politics. What would you say are legitimate issues for identity politics? The one special case that I'd consider would be policies for helping out the black community.
Pretty sure you also advocated identity politics for rural communities recently, wouldn't you say?
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On November 19 2016 03:18 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2016 03:15 Mohdoo wrote:On November 19 2016 03:14 LegalLord wrote:
I blame Henry Kissinger not endorsing Clinton for her loss. As far as I'm concerned that's as valid a reason for her loss as sexism, Hitler, Darth Vader, Bernie Bros, Comey, Assange, the evil Russians, or racists. They all fail to accept that the candidate herself opened the door to this loss by being terrible.
I kind of want to make a joke about a perceived racist succeeding two black AGs ina row and being held up as someone who will clean up after them. But I can't imagine any such joke would be in good taste. In testimony before the committee, former colleagues said that Mr. Sessions had referred to the N.A.A.C.P., the Southern Christian Leadership Conference and other civil rights groups as “un-American” and “Communist-inspired.” An African-American federal prosecutor then, Thomas H. Figures, said Mr. Sessions had referred to him as “boy” and testified that Mr. Sessions said the Ku Klux Klan was fine “until I found out they smoked pot.” Mr. Sessions dismissed that remark as a joke. http://www.nytimes.com/?action=click&contentCollection=Politics®ion=TopBar&module=HomePage-Button&pgtype=article Southerners call everyone "boy." That's certainly not an epithet reserved for black people.
They call everyone in a position lower in society than themselves boy. The implication by always calling black men boy is to explicitly clarify and reinforce their lower social standing. Basically you're trying to argue that southern culture isn't racist.
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