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On November 19 2016 01:53 xDaunt wrote:
On a side note -- not so much related to policy as culture -- I absolutely love the fact that Trump's election was the equivalent of a nuclear bomb going off in SJW-land. The panic in that bankrupt segment of the left is glorious to behold, and the fact that they're still in denial over their role in all of this guarantees their eventual demise.
What do you think about anti-SJWs and the obvious racist undertones that a lot of them have (e.g. people who ramble on about Jews controlling the economy)? How harmful do you think that subgroup is, relative to the SJWs themselves?
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On November 19 2016 01:53 xDaunt wrote:
My biggest hope is that he fixes our immigration system
The key to Trump's support. Trump's main support comes in the form of the immigration vote. It's always the first thing they mention. Deep down, these people want less Mexicans and Muslims around. Let's not beat around the bush with abstract cultural decline arguments.
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On November 19 2016 02:26 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2016 01:53 xDaunt wrote:
My biggest hope is that he fixes our immigration system The key to Trump's support. Trump's main support comes in the form of the immigration vote. It's always the first thing they mention. Deep down, these people want less Mexicans and Muslims around. Let's not beat around the bush with abstract cultural decline arguments.
If you're talking about the Daily Stormer component of Trump's support base, sure. For the rest of us? Not so much.
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And yes, alt right white nationalism is at the core of Trump's support, and perhaps policy, considering the position of Bannon. Bannon's stated world view is one of protecting the supremacy of Judeo-Christian culture.
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On November 19 2016 01:53 xDaunt wrote:
On a side note -- not so much related to policy as culture -- I absolutely love the fact that Trump's election was the equivalent of a nuclear bomb going off in SJW-land. The panic in that bankrupt segment of the left is glorious to behold, and the fact that they're still in denial over their role in all of this guarantees their eventual demise.
That's about as likely as white nationalists going away if Clinton had won-that is to say, there's no way it will possibly happen.
I do find it fascinating how people crow over what the election did to "SJW" while simultaneously saying the Democrats were foolish to ignore white working-class voters and shut people out of the system as if there's no contradiction there (unless we're purely talking geographic location distribution and EC expediency).
Especially when those same people thought Trump would end up with a popular vote victory...
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On November 19 2016 02:29 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2016 02:26 Doodsmack wrote:On November 19 2016 01:53 xDaunt wrote:
My biggest hope is that he fixes our immigration system The key to Trump's support. Trump's main support comes in the form of the immigration vote. It's always the first thing they mention. Deep down, these people want less Mexicans and Muslims around. Let's not beat around the bush with abstract cultural decline arguments. If you're talking about the Daily Stormer component of Trump's support base, sure. For the rest of us? Not so much.
First thing you said was immigration. It always comes back to that.
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On November 19 2016 02:23 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2016 01:53 xDaunt wrote:
On a side note -- not so much related to policy as culture -- I absolutely love the fact that Trump's election was the equivalent of a nuclear bomb going off in SJW-land. The panic in that bankrupt segment of the left is glorious to behold, and the fact that they're still in denial over their role in all of this guarantees their eventual demise. What do you think about anti-SJWs and the obvious racist undertones that a lot of them have (e.g. people who ramble on about Jews controlling the economy)? How harmful do you think that subgroup is, relative to the SJWs themselves?
The "anti-SJW's" serve their purpose. They're the tip of the spear in taking out the SJWs. And yes, some of what they say is harmful and unproductive, but on balance, I find them far less threatening than SJW's overall given the huge disparity in relative influence.
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On November 19 2016 02:30 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2016 01:53 xDaunt wrote:
On a side note -- not so much related to policy as culture -- I absolutely love the fact that Trump's election was the equivalent of a nuclear bomb going off in SJW-land. The panic in that bankrupt segment of the left is glorious to behold, and the fact that they're still in denial over their role in all of this guarantees their eventual demise.
That's about as likely as white nationalists going away if Clinton had won-that is to say, there's no way it will possibly happen. I do find it fascinating how people crow over what the election did to "SJW" while simultaneously saying the Democrats were foolish to ignore white working-class voters and shut people out of the system as if there's no contradiction there (unless we're purely talking geographic location distribution and EC expediency). Especially when those same people thought Trump would end up with a popular vote victory...
I don't see why both can't be true simultaneously. Again, my perspective is that there are lots of reasons why Hillary lost, the absence of any one of which may have resulted in her victory.
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On November 19 2016 02:31 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2016 02:23 LegalLord wrote:On November 19 2016 01:53 xDaunt wrote:
On a side note -- not so much related to policy as culture -- I absolutely love the fact that Trump's election was the equivalent of a nuclear bomb going off in SJW-land. The panic in that bankrupt segment of the left is glorious to behold, and the fact that they're still in denial over their role in all of this guarantees their eventual demise. What do you think about anti-SJWs and the obvious racist undertones that a lot of them have (e.g. people who ramble on about Jews controlling the economy)? How harmful do you think that subgroup is, relative to the SJWs themselves? The "anti-SJW's" serve their purpose. They're the tip of the spear in taking out the SJWs. And yes, some of what they say is harmful and unproductive, but on balance, I find them far less threatening than SJW's overall given the huge disparity in relative influence.
I'd disagree on a practical level; I think "anti-SJW's" and SJW's tend to be a reaction to each other in part, and they will not help in taking out SJW, but will in fact increase them.
though I suppose it's more likely that both simply represent the tail ends of a Normal distribution, which will always exist.
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On November 19 2016 02:31 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2016 02:23 LegalLord wrote:On November 19 2016 01:53 xDaunt wrote:
On a side note -- not so much related to policy as culture -- I absolutely love the fact that Trump's election was the equivalent of a nuclear bomb going off in SJW-land. The panic in that bankrupt segment of the left is glorious to behold, and the fact that they're still in denial over their role in all of this guarantees their eventual demise. What do you think about anti-SJWs and the obvious racist undertones that a lot of them have (e.g. people who ramble on about Jews controlling the economy)? How harmful do you think that subgroup is, relative to the SJWs themselves? The "anti-SJW's" serve their purpose. They're the tip of the spear in taking out the SJWs. And yes, some of what they say is harmful and unproductive, but on balance, I find them far less threatening than SJW's overall given the huge disparity in relative influence.
Who got the president they wanted?
I will take SJW over alt right any day. SJW needs to be reigned in and watched over to be sure so it doesn't get out of control but letting the alt right type ideology get out of control has led to some of the worst crimes against humanity.
Your just assuming they will never get to the point of being really relevant so only the SJW are worth shitting on. Which is how Trump's campaign started "will never be relevant".
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The extremely few people I've heard identify themselves as SJWs were generally quite rational, much more than you would expect given the rep they get. I have no doubt that you can dig up a few stories where some of them do something irrational but most of the stories I've seen regarding universities are wilfully amplified to create a controversy. The notable exception is refusing right-wing speakers, that is actually fairly bad.
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On November 19 2016 02:47 Nebuchad wrote:
The extremely few people I've heard identify themselves as SJWs were generally quite rational, much more than you would expect given the rep they get. I have no doubt that you can dig up a few stories where some of them do something irrational but most of the stories I've seen regarding universities are wilfully amplified to create a controversy. The notable exception is refusing right-wing speakers, that is actually fairly bad.
You need look no further than the arguments that there have been with the SJW posters in this thread to see how toxic their perspective is.
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On November 19 2016 02:51 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2016 02:47 Nebuchad wrote:
The extremely few people I've heard identify themselves as SJWs were generally quite rational, much more than you would expect given the rep they get. I have no doubt that you can dig up a few stories where some of them do something irrational but most of the stories I've seen regarding universities are wilfully amplified to create a controversy. The notable exception is refusing right-wing speakers, that is actually fairly bad. You need look no further than the arguments that there have been with the SJW posters in this thread to see how toxic their perspective is.
that would be clearer if you would specify which posters you consider to be SJW ones. can you do so safely?
as a practical note, iirc alt-right, to some extent, self-identify that way; and the use of the term came mostly from their self-identification.
SJW is mostly used as a pejorative, and does not seem to be self-identified much, though a few have adopted it. Do others have different recollection of the histories of the terms' usages?
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On November 19 2016 02:51 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2016 02:47 Nebuchad wrote:
The extremely few people I've heard identify themselves as SJWs were generally quite rational, much more than you would expect given the rep they get. I have no doubt that you can dig up a few stories where some of them do something irrational but most of the stories I've seen regarding universities are wilfully amplified to create a controversy. The notable exception is refusing right-wing speakers, that is actually fairly bad. You need look no further than the arguments that there have been with the SJW posters in this thread to see how toxic their perspective is.
I don't really see who would be a SJW in this thread, who am I missing? I would have said I'm one of the closest.
You are correct on the history zlefin.
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So a man deemed to racist to be a judge in the 80's is now the Attorney General. Expect hate crimes against Whites to surge, and voter protections to be a thing of the past.
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On November 19 2016 02:53 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2016 02:51 xDaunt wrote:On November 19 2016 02:47 Nebuchad wrote:
The extremely few people I've heard identify themselves as SJWs were generally quite rational, much more than you would expect given the rep they get. I have no doubt that you can dig up a few stories where some of them do something irrational but most of the stories I've seen regarding universities are wilfully amplified to create a controversy. The notable exception is refusing right-wing speakers, that is actually fairly bad. You need look no further than the arguments that there have been with the SJW posters in this thread to see how toxic their perspective is. I don't really see who would be a SJW in this thread, who am I missing? I would have said I'm one of the closest. You are correct on the history zlefin.
Plansix is the most notorious and consistent. But the real problem is that the SJW's rhetoric poisons political discourse overall by seeping into the arguments of the left, even if those the various persons on the left making those argument wouldn't consider themselves to be SJWs. We just saw a classic example of this a few posts ago:
On November 19 2016 02:26 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2016 01:53 xDaunt wrote:
My biggest hope is that he fixes our immigration system The key to Trump's support. Trump's main support comes in the form of the immigration vote. It's always the first thing they mention. Deep down, these people want less Mexicans and Muslims around. Let's not beat around the bush with abstract cultural decline arguments.
None of the conservative posters around here are remotely surprised at Doodsmack's inability to accept or recognize that people who want to stop "fix immigration" -- or even stop illegal immigration -- have reasons for doing so that are unrelated to race. So instead of having a discussion on the merits of proper policy for the country, the discussion has devolved to crass identity politics. This is why I rail against SJWs and the regressive left.
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On November 19 2016 03:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So a man deemed to racist to be a judge in the 80's is now the Attorney General. Expect hate crimes against Whites to surge, and voter protections to be a thing of the past.
Yeah, we've kinda tuned out racism as an epithet. Y'all cried wolf one too many times.
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On November 19 2016 02:53 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2016 02:51 xDaunt wrote:On November 19 2016 02:47 Nebuchad wrote:
The extremely few people I've heard identify themselves as SJWs were generally quite rational, much more than you would expect given the rep they get. I have no doubt that you can dig up a few stories where some of them do something irrational but most of the stories I've seen regarding universities are wilfully amplified to create a controversy. The notable exception is refusing right-wing speakers, that is actually fairly bad. You need look no further than the arguments that there have been with the SJW posters in this thread to see how toxic their perspective is. I don't really see who would be a SJW in this thread, who am I missing? I would have said I'm one of the closest. You are correct on the history zlefin.
There are a fair few people who instantaneously assume racist context for any concerns about any issues of immigrants, culture, or any similar issues. Certain ones assume that a broad range of positions are really just closet racism and worthy of instant dismissal. I don't like to name names but if you care you know which posters broadly fit that description. Or if you don't, then you probably don't disagree with SJW-ing either.
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There's a few people on my FB still blaming sexism for Clinton losing.
She. Lost. Wisconsin.
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I blame Henry Kissinger not endorsing Clinton for her loss. As far as I'm concerned that's as valid a reason for her loss as sexism, Hitler, Darth Vader, Bernie Bros, Comey, Assange, the evil Russians, or racists. They all fail to accept that the candidate herself opened the door to this loss by being terrible.
I kind of want to make a joke about a perceived racist succeeding two black AGs ina row and being held up as someone who will clean up after them. But I can't imagine any such joke would be in good taste.
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