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pmh
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 04 2016 09:02 Nyxisto wrote: we are not really ready for the internet as a species We were so pumped for all these tech companies to disrupt all these entrenched industries. We found out to late that they had no fucking idea what they are doing. Facebook just needs to cut the bullshit and accept the fact it is a news network now. Sometimes we don't get to choose the paths life takes us on. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On November 04 2016 08:49 RealityIsKing wrote: And from Wikileaks, which they have not been proven wrong, Clinton certainly broke laws that would make her lose her job if we assume that the system is a just one. ? wikileaks emails show illegal activity how? | ||
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xDaunt
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pmh
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On November 04 2016 07:47 xDaunt wrote: I haven't concluded anything of the sort. I'm waiting to see the evidence. However, from what I've seen so far, I do think that it is more likely than not that the FBI agents have a point. Fbi must have something concrete against Clinton,that is pretty obvious to me. If they didn't have anything concrete I doubt they would risk bringing out the news that they did. They probably have skimmed through the mails already,or have other reliable information. Will go further and say that what they found is probably very sensitive,hence all the caution when proceeding. Not going to fast,do it slow and good. | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6638 Posts
On November 04 2016 09:10 xDaunt wrote: So now FBI sources are leaking to Fox that there is a 99% chance that up to five foreign intelligence agencies hacked and accessed Clinton's email server. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/hillary-clinton-emails-fbi-indictment-clinton-foundation-fox-news-donald-trump-us-election-2016-a7395666.html hmm | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On November 04 2016 09:07 Plansix wrote: We were so pumped for all these tech companies to disrupt all these entrenched industries. We found out to late that they had no fucking idea what they are doing. Facebook just needs to cut the bullshit and accept the fact it is a news network now. Sometimes we don't get to choose the paths life takes us on. But but change the world with the power of code! We are making the world a better place by making a social media network that allows ISIS to recruit militants from Western nations. | ||
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CannonsNCarriers
United States638 Posts
On November 04 2016 09:10 xDaunt wrote: So now FBI sources are leaking to Fox that there is a 99% chance that up to five foreign intelligence agencies hacked and accessed Clinton's email server. I specifically used this as one of my examples of bad/rogue FBI activity (my linked Lou Dobbs video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47XG_r0gUF8). Can anyone dispute this assertion? Do we have anything but anonymous sources' "confidence"? Do we have any documentary evidence? Can they name the foreign intelligence agencies? Will anyone put their name behind this? Can we get a damned email confirmation at least? You have got to see how this has a corrosive effect on democracy. Every last Facebook Conservative friend I have left will now assert this as as the Truth. But all we have is an anonymous leak by Trumpkin FBI agents with an axe to grind. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On November 04 2016 09:10 xDaunt wrote: So now FBI sources are leaking to Fox that there is a 99% chance that up to five foreign intelligence agencies hacked and accessed Clinton's email server. Curious which five it would be. Would it be multiple from one country (e.g, GRU and FSB) or did five separate countries find their ways into this secret stash of emails? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 04 2016 09:15 CannonsNCarriers wrote: I specifically used this as one of my examples of bad/rogue FBI activity (my linked Lou Dobbs video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47XG_r0gUF8). Can anyone dispute this assertion? Do we have anything but anonymous sources' "confidence"? Do we have any documentary evidence? Can they name the foreign intelligence agencies? Will anyone put their name behind this? Can we get a damned email confirmation at least? You have got to see how this has a corrosive effect on democracy. Every last Facebook Conservative friend I have left will now assert this as as the Truth. But all we have is an anonymous leak by Trumpkin FBI agents with an axe to grind. You have been banned from r/conservative. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
this is why we need more wikileaks to fight against clear state manipulation of information flow such as china/russia | ||
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CannonsNCarriers
United States638 Posts
On November 04 2016 09:12 jello_biafra wrote: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/hillary-clinton-emails-fbi-indictment-clinton-foundation-fox-news-donald-trump-us-election-2016-a7395666.html hmm Counterpoint: Brett Baier walking it right back hours later: This is why this FBI leak stuff is corrosive! Do you get it? Anonymous and zero-fact reports get blown up because Conservatives want to hear it (see, Facebook likes and FOX ratings). | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 04 2016 09:15 LegalLord wrote: Curious which five it would be. Would it be multiple from one country (e.g, GRU and FSB) or did five separate countries find their ways into this secret stash of emails? I have a list of 55 nations that are donating money to Trump for influence in the US government, which I will reveal after the election along with my secret plan to cure poverty. | ||
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pmh
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On November 04 2016 09:11 pmh wrote: Fbi must have something concrete against Clinton,that is pretty obvious to me. If they didn't have anything concrete I doubt they would risk bringing out the news that they did. They probably have skimmed through the mails already,or have other reliable information. Will go further and say that what they found is probably very sensitive,hence all the caution when proceeding. Not going to fast,do it slow and good. What "risk" is involved in these leaks? | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On November 04 2016 09:17 oneofthem wrote: longterm internet still a good bet for liberalizing influence but state ctrl a deep threat to that future. this is why we need more wikileaks to fight against clear state manipulation of information flow such as china/russia Wikileaks is little more than a medium through which Assange's benefactors leak information. He literally means nothing compared to the leakers. If a country has something to leak, they can get it out there. It wouldn't be hard, they just need to find some guy or put some guy in place who can do the leak. There are some cases of "spy defectors" who were really just controlled leaks. | ||
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Plansix
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21815 Posts
On November 04 2016 09:19 pmh wrote: the media is blowing it up,thats not the fed,s fault. Yeah who could have predicted that.... Give me a break. The people who leaked this knew damn well what was going to happen. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
An oil executive accused of impersonating Elon Musk in an email in an attempt to solicit company secrets from Tesla wants the lawsuit thrown out because he says his impersonation wasn’t credible. Todd Katz was the former chief financial officer of Quest Integrity, which provides services to oil and gas companies such as ExxonMobil, BP, Chevron and Shell. In September, Tesla filed a lawsuit against Katz, claiming he set up the email address elontesla@yahoo.com to impersonate the company’s CEO and then used it to try and extract sensitive information from Tesla chief financial officer Jason Wheeler. According to the lawsuit, Katz sent an email from the elontesla@yahoo.com account to Wheeler on 3 August 2016 requesting more detailed information about Tesla’s second-quarter financial results that were released on the same day. “why you so cautious w Q3/4 gm guidance on call? also what are your thoughts on disclosing M3 res#? Pros/cons from ir pov? what is your best guess as to where we actually come in on q3/4 deliverables. honest guess? no bs. thx 4 hard work prepping 4 today em” Wheeler did not respond and instead Tesla launched an investigation to find out who was behind the email, eventually tracing the address to Katz and his employer. Katz subsequently resigned from his position. This week, Katz filed an objection to Tesla’s lawsuit arguing that the company’s reaction has been “over-the-top” and alleging that Tesla hacked into his Twitter in order to identify him. The filing does not quibble that Katz sent the email but argues that “nobody who received this preposterous and grammatically deficient email ever believed it really came from Elon Musk” and as a result there was no credible impersonation and no direct injury to Tesla. “It is clear that the email allegedly received by CFO Wheeler on August 3, 2016 was goofy, grammatically deficient communication that was not a ‘credible’ impersonation of Elon Musk in any way,” says the document, filed in the Santa Clara superior court. Source | ||
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LegalLord
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