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On October 26 2016 02:48 Liquid`Drone wrote: tbh the filibuster is a pretty retarded concept, wouldn't be saddened to see that go. (not that I propose knowing how to make filibustering impossible, obviously people should also be allowed to talk for long periods of time if they have something legitimate to say. But the principle of talking so long that voting on legislation becomes impossible? that's fucking stupid. )
Personally, I like that one branch of goverment requires 60 votes to move something forward, rather than just 51 out of 100. It has shown problems in the last 20 years, but it is an age old way of preventing legislation that one or many people think is terrible from moving forward.
Plus the rules are awesome. You can't sit, lean or ask for a bathroom break. You must keep speaking. You can yield the floor for a question or to give it to someone else. But if its just you, you have to stand and talk until you fall over. And it means freebooter, or buccaneer.
On October 26 2016 02:48 Liquid`Drone wrote: tbh the filibuster is a pretty retarded concept, wouldn't be saddened to see that go. (not that I propose knowing how to make filibustering impossible, obviously people should also be allowed to talk for long periods of time if they have something legitimate to say. But the principle of talking so long that voting on legislation becomes impossible? that's fucking stupid. )
Personally, I like that one branch of goverment requires 60 votes to move something forward, rather than just 51 out of 100. It has shown problems in the last 20 years, but it is an age old way of preventing legislation that one or many people think is terrible from moving forward.
Plus the rules are awesome. You can't sit, lean or ask for a bathroom break. You must keep speaking. You can yield the floor for a question or to give it to someone else. But if its just you, you have to stand and talk until you fall over. And it means freebooter, or buccaneer.
Thanks CJ.
Those used to be the rules until they broker a perfectly good system of public protest. Very sad they are not still in place and required.
On October 26 2016 02:34 biology]major wrote: Trump really needs to capitalize on Obamacare failing, it's a golden opportunity
It's a desaster, really, a desaster. It is very sad. So sad. But he will get rid of it, in 30 days after he becomes president. And then there will be a new plan. A great plan. He knows great people, with great knowledge. The greatest people. They have great plans. And then, everything will be great. Even ISIS.
Hillary has bad instincts bro, she's more articulate, well connected, and has more resources but fails even with all the advantages. Hard to evaluate instincts, not going to comment on trumps but hrc is a disaster (tm). Look at what Powell had to say: everything she touches is ruined. I'm sure Bernie had something similar to say, oh and don't forget Wikileaks.
Didn't Powell formally endorse Hillary Clinton and say Trump was a national disgrace? I'd avoid quoting him if I were you.
If I'm about to hire someone for a job I want to hear strong recommendations, not "the other guy sucks"
You know whats funny though 90% of your arguments are some extended version of "shillary sucks", and when I wrote out a very lengthy and detailed post about exactly why "the other guys sucks" while specifically calling you and other trump supporters you conveniently ignore it in its entirety. Your opinion is yours, but your actions prove that it is neither informed or well thought out. Good luck with that.
that's because trump supports cannot stand in his policies (he has none) they have to resort to personal attacks on Hillary to convince people not to vote for her
Florida Sen. Marco Rubio got booed off a stage in Orlando on Sunday by a crowd that was overwhelmingly Latino.
It happened at Calle Orange, a street festival in downtown Orlando geared toward the city's large Puerto Rican community. The icy reception was an indication of the challenges that Rubio, a Republican of Cuban heritage, has faced in locking down support from Latinos in Florida as the state's Latino electorate has begun to shift to the left.
Some Latinos, including several people in the crowd, have expressed anger over his endorsement of Donald Trump, who kicked off his presidential campaign last year by disparaging Mexican immigrants.
At first, there was no visible hostility toward Rubio when he arrived at the festival on Sunday. He was greeted by a group of volunteers wearing Rubio campaign T-shirts and playing Plena, a rhythmic style of music native to Ponce, Puerto Rico. The musicians accompanied Rubio as he and his aides walked toward the stage. He stopped for selfies along the way.
But when he took the stage, there was a spattering of boos from the crowd. When the emcee introduced the senator, they grew louder.
"I'm going to introduce a man who represents Latinos, no matter where you're from," the emcee boomed in Spanish. The boos grew louder still. "Ladies and gentlemen, the senator for the state of Florida, a Latino like you and me ... his name is Marco Rubio! Applaud!"
Instead, the boos rained down on the senator, drowning out what appeared to be a handful of supporters in the crowd.
"Thank you for having me today," Rubio said, also in Spanish. "I want you to enjoy this day. We're not going to talk about politics today. Thank God for this beautiful day, and for our freedom, our democracy, our vote and our country. God bless you all, thank you very much."
Florida Sen. Marco Rubio got booed off a stage in Orlando on Sunday by a crowd that was overwhelmingly Latino.
It happened at Calle Orange, a street festival in downtown Orlando geared toward the city's large Puerto Rican community. The icy reception was an indication of the challenges that Rubio, a Republican of Cuban heritage, has faced in locking down support from Latinos in Florida as the state's Latino electorate has begun to shift to the left.
Some Latinos, including several people in the crowd, have expressed anger over his endorsement of Donald Trump, who kicked off his presidential campaign last year by disparaging Mexican immigrants.
At first, there was no visible hostility toward Rubio when he arrived at the festival on Sunday. He was greeted by a group of volunteers wearing Rubio campaign T-shirts and playing Plena, a rhythmic style of music native to Ponce, Puerto Rico. The musicians accompanied Rubio as he and his aides walked toward the stage. He stopped for selfies along the way.
But when he took the stage, there was a spattering of boos from the crowd. When the emcee introduced the senator, they grew louder.
"I'm going to introduce a man who represents Latinos, no matter where you're from," the emcee boomed in Spanish. The boos grew louder still. "Ladies and gentlemen, the senator for the state of Florida, a Latino like you and me ... his name is Marco Rubio! Applaud!"
Instead, the boos rained down on the senator, drowning out what appeared to be a handful of supporters in the crowd.
"Thank you for having me today," Rubio said, also in Spanish. "I want you to enjoy this day. We're not going to talk about politics today. Thank God for this beautiful day, and for our freedom, our democracy, our vote and our country. God bless you all, thank you very much."
On October 26 2016 06:01 LegalLord wrote: Black Republican candidates had the same problem.
Makes me wonder if Republican leadership actually let themselves believe black people only voted for Obama because he's black.
Any attempt by the GOP to move the party into a better position got torpedoed to rock bottom by Trump's rise and his support from certain elements of the base.
I certainly believe the leadership knows the current course is bad but there is nothing they can do against it without distancing themselves from the far right, who's votes they need to actually win anything.
On October 26 2016 06:01 LegalLord wrote: Black Republican candidates had the same problem.
Makes me wonder if Republican leadership actually let themselves believe black people only voted for Obama because he's black.
Any attempt by the GOP to move the party into a better position got torpedoed to rock bottom by Trump's rise and his support from certain elements of the base.
I certainly believe the leadership knows the current course is bad but there is nothing they can do against it without distancing themselves from the far right, who's votes they need to actually win anything.
And this will be their 3rd election in a row lost. Not looking good for 2020. This is the last election where baby boomers are the dominant group voting. Things get very, very rough for republicans in 2020. They aren't winning anyway.
I dont know if the FPTP discussion is still alive or if nobody is interested anymore (especially about why it always becomes a 2 party system), but perhaps some people might like this video on it:
On October 26 2016 06:01 LegalLord wrote: Black Republican candidates had the same problem.
Makes me wonder if Republican leadership actually let themselves believe black people only voted for Obama because he's black.
Any attempt by the GOP to move the party into a better position got torpedoed to rock bottom by Trump's rise and his support from certain elements of the base.
I certainly believe the leadership knows the current course is bad but there is nothing they can do against it without distancing themselves from the far right, who's votes they need to actually win anything.
Which is dumb, because it's not like the far right has anyone else to vote for. Sure, a tiny percent might go Libertarian or something, but does anyone honestly think that if the Republicans stop catering to the furthest right population then they'll jump ship to Democrats?
On October 26 2016 06:01 LegalLord wrote: Black Republican candidates had the same problem.
Makes me wonder if Republican leadership actually let themselves believe black people only voted for Obama because he's black.
Any attempt by the GOP to move the party into a better position got torpedoed to rock bottom by Trump's rise and his support from certain elements of the base.
I certainly believe the leadership knows the current course is bad but there is nothing they can do against it without distancing themselves from the far right, who's votes they need to actually win anything.
Which is dumb, because it's not like the far right has anyone else to vote for. Sure, a tiny percent might go Libertarian or something, but does anyone honestly think that if the Republicans stop catering to the furthest right population then they'll jump ship to Democrats?
No, but they could stop voting Republican (and thus not vote) which is pretty much the same thing.
Florida Sen. Marco Rubio got booed off a stage in Orlando on Sunday by a crowd that was overwhelmingly Latino. + Show Spoiler +
It happened at Calle Orange, a street festival in downtown Orlando geared toward the city's large Puerto Rican community. The icy reception was an indication of the challenges that Rubio, a Republican of Cuban heritage, has faced in locking down support from Latinos in Florida as the state's Latino electorate has begun to shift to the left.
Some Latinos, including several people in the crowd, have expressed anger over his endorsement of Donald Trump, who kicked off his presidential campaign last year by disparaging Mexican immigrants.
At first, there was no visible hostility toward Rubio when he arrived at the festival on Sunday. He was greeted by a group of volunteers wearing Rubio campaign T-shirts and playing Plena, a rhythmic style of music native to Ponce, Puerto Rico. The musicians accompanied Rubio as he and his aides walked toward the stage. He stopped for selfies along the way.
But when he took the stage, there was a spattering of boos from the crowd. When the emcee introduced the senator, they grew louder.
"I'm going to introduce a man who represents Latinos, no matter where you're from," the emcee boomed in Spanish. The boos grew louder still. "Ladies and gentlemen, the senator for the state of Florida, a Latino like you and me ... his name is Marco Rubio! Applaud!"
Instead, the boos rained down on the senator, drowning out what appeared to be a handful of supporters in the crowd.
"Thank you for having me today," Rubio said, also in Spanish. "I want you to enjoy this day. We're not going to talk about politics today. Thank God for this beautiful day, and for our freedom, our democracy, our vote and our country. God bless you all, thank you very much."
This is very surprising. He's well liked and even if you don't vote for him there's very few people (outside THE INTERNET obviously) that have extremely negative things to say about him.
This is probably a big sign of how our election is going to play out. Rubios coming home and a Democrats representing FL instead.
On October 26 2016 06:01 LegalLord wrote: Black Republican candidates had the same problem.
Makes me wonder if Republican leadership actually let themselves believe black people only voted for Obama because he's black.
Any attempt by the GOP to move the party into a better position got torpedoed to rock bottom by Trump's rise and his support from certain elements of the base.
I certainly believe the leadership knows the current course is bad but there is nothing they can do against it without distancing themselves from the far right, who's votes they need to actually win anything.
Which is dumb, because it's not like the far right has anyone else to vote for. Sure, a tiny percent might go Libertarian or something, but does anyone honestly think that if the Republicans stop catering to the furthest right population then they'll jump ship to Democrats?
It has more to do with the baked in demographics of the seats the GOP holds. They have secured themselves the house and most of the governorships with this plan. They just can’t win nationally. But it is short term, because the demographic that keeps them in power won’t be able to in 10 years. And increased voter participation and the Democrats gunning for down ballot elections will cut that even more.
But they will have this fire wall for ten years. The problem is that it might be 10 years of accomplishing nothing, which isn’t much to run on.
the interesting question is not what the far right is going to do but what the moderate right will do, particularly the business types.
there's been a switch of who is leading who. the elites used to lead the zombie horde, but now that the zombies have become sentient, the choice is between fighting the zombies and taking a potential lifeboat to democrats.
it would require a combination of some sort of centrist consciousness raising and the actual lifeboat being sent from democrats. it could seriously work with a more creative leadership.
They'll vote Republican or they'll vote nothing at all.
Now if instead of courting or pussyfooting around the racist fringe they just flat out said "Fuck racists, I don't want your vote" like a competent and sane person they could pull in more moderate voters. Couple that with ditching outlandish social conservative ideals that people under 60 think are reprehensible and they might have a shot to win some stuff! Their base is dying and its only going to get worse. There will need to be some pretty dramatic pivoting sooner than later and telling the lunatic racist fringe to go fuck their hat would help make the party more appealing to the sane.
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