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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom10026 Posts
October 13 2016 04:04 GMT
#110781
On October 13 2016 13:02 Slaughter wrote:
When Trump loses he will probably come out and tell everyone it was all a stunt to root out the garbage of the GOP and how everyone should thank him for cleaning house.


That would be all my Christmases at once.
Can you imagine the rage?
RIP Meatloaf <3
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8991 Posts
October 13 2016 04:08 GMT
#110782
On October 13 2016 13:02 Slaughter wrote:
When Trump loses he will probably come out and tell everyone it was all a stunt to root out the garbage of the GOP and how everyone should thank him for cleaning house.


If it continue this way we may get to this point before the election.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom10026 Posts
October 13 2016 04:11 GMT
#110783
It would be better if Hilary comes out tomorrow and says that Trump was Dem plant all along.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-13 04:13:16
October 13 2016 04:12 GMT
#110784
Honestly, I'm not seeing why I should believe these women like the one on the plane. How do you prove something like that? How am I supposed to believe something that can't be proven? Jes got a history, but I can't pretend it doesn't make sense for people to make this up. Wouldn't be the first time political sex lies have come up.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-13 04:21:01
October 13 2016 04:15 GMT
#110785
On October 13 2016 13:12 Mohdoo wrote:
Honestly, I'm not seeing why I should believe these women like the one on the plane. How do you prove something like that? How am I supposed to believe something that can't be proven? Jes got a history, but I can't pretend it doesn't make sense for people to make this up. Wouldn't be the first time political sex lies have come up.


It's not about proving whether it actually happened or not for either of them. It's just politics.

Most people have made up their mind on whether or not they believe the accusers or not based purely on who they support in the election. It has nothing to do with the truth.

Bill and Trump are both guilty until proven innocent in the minds of millions of Trump and Clinton supporters right now.

This election is a mummer's farce of democracy among other things.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-13 04:17:01
October 13 2016 04:16 GMT
#110786

iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4462 Posts
October 13 2016 04:20 GMT
#110787
On October 13 2016 12:42 Nevuk wrote:
I'm betting the 2020 GOP primary rules are going to be wildly different.

Create superdelegates so they can rig the thing easier?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom10026 Posts
October 13 2016 04:23 GMT
#110788
On October 13 2016 13:20 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2016 12:42 Nevuk wrote:
I'm betting the 2020 GOP primary rules are going to be wildly different.

Create superdelegates so they can rig the thing easier?


Well its either that or risk this utter humiliation again and i'm not sure they could cope with two in a row.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 13 2016 04:23 GMT
#110789
On October 13 2016 13:20 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2016 12:42 Nevuk wrote:
I'm betting the 2020 GOP primary rules are going to be wildly different.

Create superdelegates so they can rig the thing easier?

They may get rid of winner take all, but I figure something along those lines.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4462 Posts
October 13 2016 04:26 GMT
#110790
On October 13 2016 12:50 Mohdoo wrote:
I feel like this is going to be a historic loss for Trump. Wow they are really going down hard. Anyone still predicting he wins?

Sure, I'll stick my neck out.
Still 50,000 wikileaks emails to be released.
There has never been a more unpredictable election.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4462 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-13 04:31:57
October 13 2016 04:30 GMT
#110791
BTW can anyone else see the irony with liberals saying they are worried about a major war with Trump in charge when Clinton is running around blaming everything on Russia and Putin? Laughable if it wasn't such a dangerous situation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom10026 Posts
October 13 2016 04:35 GMT
#110792
No irony, just a misunderstanding on your part.
Clinton is an experienced politician, she know exactly how far she can push Russia.
Trump doesn't have the faintest idea about foreign policy and doesn't really care.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Wolfstan
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada605 Posts
October 13 2016 04:36 GMT
#110793
It's both a dream and a nightmare imagining how the Republican coalition will realign in 2020. Your electorate is so fucked up though that identity coalitions are more important than idea based parties. Then you get awful ideas and platforms that are ideologically inconsistent because your political coalition is made up of identity based strange bedfellows.
EG - ROOT - Gambit Gaming
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4462 Posts
October 13 2016 04:56 GMT
#110794
On October 13 2016 13:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
No irony, just a misunderstanding on your part.
Clinton is an experienced politician, she know exactly how far she can push Russia.
Trump doesn't have the faintest idea about foreign policy and doesn't really care.

Experienced enough to use a non secure email server for confidential emails?
Still find it amazing to find defenders of US foreign policy after the clusterfuck of the past 15 years, especially in the mid east.
Bizarre.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11607 Posts
October 13 2016 04:57 GMT
#110795
On October 13 2016 13:15 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2016 13:12 Mohdoo wrote:
Honestly, I'm not seeing why I should believe these women like the one on the plane. How do you prove something like that? How am I supposed to believe something that can't be proven? Jes got a history, but I can't pretend it doesn't make sense for people to make this up. Wouldn't be the first time political sex lies have come up.


Bill and Trump are both guilty until proven innocent in the minds of millions of Trump and Clinton supporters right now.

"Whereby it comes to pass that reputation is the first of all things to abandon the unfortunate."
and
"This only will I say, that the most crushing of misfortune's burdens is, that as soon as a charge is fastened upon the unhappy, they are believed to have deserved their sufferings."
-Boethius.

As true today as it was a millennia and a half ago. All the more reason for proper court procedures with a defense lawyer, advocating for even the most despicable.
ModeratorWake me up when Trump's term is finished. Slava Ukraini.
CobaltBlu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States919 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-13 05:12:57
October 13 2016 05:11 GMT
#110796
The allegations wouldn't carry as much weight if there were not audio recordings of Donald Trump bragging about such behavior. And his denials would be more believable if he didn't lie so frequently with such aplomb. At this point what reason do I have to not take their accusations seriously?
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8991 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-13 05:15:36
October 13 2016 05:11 GMT
#110797
On October 13 2016 13:56 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2016 13:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
No irony, just a misunderstanding on your part.
Clinton is an experienced politician, she know exactly how far she can push Russia.
Trump doesn't have the faintest idea about foreign policy and doesn't really care.

Experienced enough to use a non secure email server for confidential emails?
Still find it amazing to find defenders of US foreign policy after the clusterfuck of the past 15 years, especially in the mid east.
Bizarre.


Beeing laxist with personal security and knowing about foreign policy is two different things. I am not a fan of her approche, staging assassination on high profile target like the chief of ISIS can't do much good by itself in my oppinion, Israel past 20-30 year killing Palestinians leaders in a hope that cutting the head would change something and it didin't do much good.

But outside of that Clinton is an expert on foreing policy, she would probably be the president with the most experience and knowledge in that regard. Dosen't mean she would do good, but if it is between Trump and Clinton I will go with the one that is probably able to name 90% of the world leader.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 13 2016 05:14 GMT
#110798
On October 13 2016 13:56 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Experienced enough to use a non secure email server for confidential emails?
Still find it amazing to find defenders of US foreign policy after the clusterfuck of the past 15 years, especially in the mid east.
Bizarre.

Experience coming from failures does not make lack of experience preferable to experience.
Moderator
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44439 Posts
October 13 2016 05:29 GMT
#110799
On October 13 2016 13:30 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
BTW can anyone else see the irony with liberals saying they are worried about a major war with Trump in charge when Clinton is running around blaming everything on Russia and Putin? Laughable if it wasn't such a dangerous situation.

Russia doesn't engage in brinkmanship when there are clear boundaries. It's shit like "maybe we'll defend our allies, maybe we won't, you'll have to try to see if that border violation is actually the start of WW3 or just another day to find out" that fucks us up.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Shingi11
Profile Joined May 2016
290 Posts
October 13 2016 06:28 GMT
#110800
So Georgia is the last "swing" state that trump still leads in. I dont think supers are all that bad so you avoid a train wreak like trump. I think dems have to many, i would like that number maybe cut in half but they serve there place. The republicans have fallen back on such an deranged group of people though to prop up there party and keep them in power it was bound to happen sometimes
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