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On October 12 2016 08:09 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2016 07:57 Nevuk wrote:
Even if the craziest of Clinton's conspiracies were true, she'd still be miles ahead of what's been confirmed about Trump. Not true. Clinton's scale of scandal is about national security, national policies, what goes behind the curtains of politics. Trump's scandal is just him saying hilarious stuff. Not even comparable.
What about the scandal where the justice department sued him over discriminatory rental practices because he wouldn't lease to African Americans and, after fighting and failing, he accepted their judgement and paid their fines?
Was that about what he said?
What about Trump University being literally a scam?
Was that about what he said?
What about how he bribed Pam Bondi not to investigate Trump University after she called him up seeking funds and casually mentioned she was considering investigating him?
Was that about what he said?
What about how he repeatedly used funds other people donated to his foundation to settle his own business debts?
Was that about what he said?
What about how he filed for and received small business recovery grants in the wake of 9/11?
Was that about what he said?
What about buying illegal Chinese steel? Or illegal trade with Iran? Or illegal trade with Cuba? What about not paying his contractors? What about filing fraudulent lawsuits against journalists who criticized him with the intent to force them to waste their money on lawyers to silence them?
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On October 12 2016 08:11 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2016 08:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 12 2016 07:57 Nevuk wrote:
Even if the craziest of Clinton's conspiracies were true, she'd still be miles ahead of what's been confirmed about Trump. Not true. Clinton's scale of scandal is about national security, national policies, what goes behind the curtains of politics. Trump's scandal is just him saying hilarious stuff. Not even comparable. What about the scandal where the justice department sued him over discriminatory rental practices because he wouldn't lease to African Americans and, after fighting and failing, he accepted their judgement and paid their fines? Was that about what he said?
Give link.
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On October 12 2016 08:09 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2016 07:57 Nevuk wrote:
Even if the craziest of Clinton's conspiracies were true, she'd still be miles ahead of what's been confirmed about Trump. Not true. Clinton's scale of scandal is about national security, national policies, what goes behind the curtains of politics. Trump's scandal is just him saying hilarious stuff. Not even comparable.
because Trump hasn't been a day in public office. Could as well point out that Mick Jagger's foreign policy history is flawless and that Trump has never botched an open heart surgery
'Not having fucked up something' is only a viable argument if said person actually had the opportunity to fuck up
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On October 12 2016 08:11 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2016 08:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 12 2016 07:57 Nevuk wrote:
Even if the craziest of Clinton's conspiracies were true, she'd still be miles ahead of what's been confirmed about Trump. Not true. Clinton's scale of scandal is about national security, national policies, what goes behind the curtains of politics. Trump's scandal is just him saying hilarious stuff. Not even comparable. What about the scandal where the justice department sued him over discriminatory rental practices because he wouldn't lease to African Americans and, after fighting and failing, he accepted their judgement and paid their fines? Was that about what he said?
And that is just the 70s. We can go decade by decade right up until now when he is funneling other people money through his fake charity to pay his litigation. Or the future, when he is investigated for funneling campaign funds directly into his businesses and pockets
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On October 12 2016 08:12 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2016 08:11 KwarK wrote:On October 12 2016 08:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 12 2016 07:57 Nevuk wrote:
Even if the craziest of Clinton's conspiracies were true, she'd still be miles ahead of what's been confirmed about Trump. Not true. Clinton's scale of scandal is about national security, national policies, what goes behind the curtains of politics. Trump's scandal is just him saying hilarious stuff. Not even comparable. What about the scandal where the justice department sued him over discriminatory rental practices because he wouldn't lease to African Americans and, after fighting and failing, he accepted their judgement and paid their fines? Was that about what he said? Give link.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/us/politics/donald-trump-housing-race.html
This was referenced in the first debate. Trump said it was the 70s and that everyone did it.
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On October 12 2016 08:12 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2016 08:11 KwarK wrote:On October 12 2016 08:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 12 2016 07:57 Nevuk wrote:
Even if the craziest of Clinton's conspiracies were true, she'd still be miles ahead of what's been confirmed about Trump. Not true. Clinton's scale of scandal is about national security, national policies, what goes behind the curtains of politics. Trump's scandal is just him saying hilarious stuff. Not even comparable. What about the scandal where the justice department sued him over discriminatory rental practices because he wouldn't lease to African Americans and, after fighting and failing, he accepted their judgement and paid their fines? Was that about what he said? Give link.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-the-governments-racial-bias-case-against-donald-trumps-company-and-how-he-fought-it/2016/01/23/fb90163e-bfbe-11e5-bcda-62a36b394160_story.html
Kwark beat me to it. I also like his defense that everyone did it, but he forgot to add that he was one of the few that fought the justice department on the issue, and lost.
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Also, it wasn't about what he said. It was about him literally bragging about sexually assaulting women (shortly after marrying Melania and while she was pregnant with their son) and getting away with it because he was wealthy and powerful.
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Tesla founder Elon Musk has hit back against the CEO of a coal power company who accused him of fraud.
Robert Murray, an outspoken Donald Trump supporter and the CEO of the Murray Energy Corporation – America’s largest coalmining company – went after Musk on CNBC’s Squawk Box on Monday and called Tesla “a fraud”.
“[Musk]’s gotten $2bn from the taxpayer, has not made a penny yet in cashflow,” Murray continued. “Here again: it’s subsidies.”
In response, Musk tweeted that the real fraud going on was “denial of climate science”.
“As for ‘subsidies’, Tesla gets pennies on dollar vs coal. How about we both go to zero?” he said.
Tesla does not, in fact, receive direct government subsidies but does receive money for selling “carbon credits” to other companies whose vehicle fleets don’t meet emissions standards in states such as California.
Buyers of Tesla vehicles also currently receive a $7,500 tax credit from the government, but that is an incentive subsidy to the purchaser, rather than to the company itself.
The last handout from the government that Tesla received was $465m as part of the auto industry bailout in the early days of the Obama administration, which the company paid back in full nine years early, in 2013.
The coal industry, by contrast, receives billions of dollars in taxpayer subsidies, as well as preferential treatment from the Internal Revenue Service, according to an investigation by ThinkProgress.
Companies such as the Murray Energy Corporation can also take advantage of loopholes allowing them to cheaply obtain leases on public lands – more than 40% of US coal comes from publicly owned land, according to the Energy Information Administration.
A 2011 study by Management Information Services found that fossil fuels – oil, natural gas and coal – had received 70% of total energy subsidies between 1950 and 2010. Coal power’s total subsidy totaled $104bn, the study found.
A representative for Murray was contacted for comment.
Murray’s political activity has long been controversial. In 2012, he hosted a rally for Mitt Romney at a mine he owned in Beallsville, Ohio, which miners told a local radio station they were forced to attend without pay.
Workers were also coerced into donating to Republican campaign Pacs, according to an FEC complaint filed in 2012.
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On October 12 2016 08:09 RealityIsKing wrote:
Trump's scandal is just him saying hilarious stuff.
If you find the things Trump says "hilarious" you have a sick sense of humor.
I can understand thinking they're not a big deal, but even most of the Trump supporters in this thread who don't think they're a big deal agreed that they're distasteful things to say. They just disagreed on how disqualifying they are for the presidency.
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On October 12 2016 08:09 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2016 07:57 Nevuk wrote:
Even if the craziest of Clinton's conspiracies were true, she'd still be miles ahead of what's been confirmed about Trump. Not true. Clinton's scale of scandal is about national security, national policies, what goes behind the curtains of politics. Trump's scandal is just him saying hilarious stuff. Not even comparable.
Today I learned that sexual assault and stomping on the Constitution are "hilarious stuff".
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Coal is a net cost to society. The energy unlocked by burning it isn't worth as much as the damage extracting and burning it causes. The only way the industry functions is by insisting that someone else is responsible for paying for all of the damage that it causes while they get to keep all the revenues. It's an example of the parable of the broken window. And clean coal is just coal with better marketing, it's a fiction invented by the coal lobby.
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On October 12 2016 08:14 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2016 08:12 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 12 2016 08:11 KwarK wrote:On October 12 2016 08:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 12 2016 07:57 Nevuk wrote:
Even if the craziest of Clinton's conspiracies were true, she'd still be miles ahead of what's been confirmed about Trump. Not true. Clinton's scale of scandal is about national security, national policies, what goes behind the curtains of politics. Trump's scandal is just him saying hilarious stuff. Not even comparable. What about the scandal where the justice department sued him over discriminatory rental practices because he wouldn't lease to African Americans and, after fighting and failing, he accepted their judgement and paid their fines? Was that about what he said? Give link. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/us/politics/donald-trump-housing-race.htmlThis was referenced in the first debate. Trump said it was the 80s and that everyone did it.
Then it will depend how will he reframe the story and what other dirt does he have Hillary if this story even get brought up.
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On October 12 2016 08:30 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2016 08:14 KwarK wrote:On October 12 2016 08:12 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 12 2016 08:11 KwarK wrote:On October 12 2016 08:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 12 2016 07:57 Nevuk wrote:
Even if the craziest of Clinton's conspiracies were true, she'd still be miles ahead of what's been confirmed about Trump. Not true. Clinton's scale of scandal is about national security, national policies, what goes behind the curtains of politics. Trump's scandal is just him saying hilarious stuff. Not even comparable. What about the scandal where the justice department sued him over discriminatory rental practices because he wouldn't lease to African Americans and, after fighting and failing, he accepted their judgement and paid their fines? Was that about what he said? Give link. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/us/politics/donald-trump-housing-race.htmlThis was referenced in the first debate. Trump said it was the 80s and that everyone did it. Then it will depend how will he reframe the story and what other dirt does he have Hillary if this story even get brought up.
It was brought up already, do you understand the past tense?
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On October 12 2016 08:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2016 08:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 12 2016 07:57 Nevuk wrote:
Even if the craziest of Clinton's conspiracies were true, she'd still be miles ahead of what's been confirmed about Trump. Not true. Clinton's scale of scandal is about national security, national policies, what goes behind the curtains of politics. Trump's scandal is just him saying hilarious stuff. Not even comparable. Today I learned that sexual assault and stomping on the Constitution are "hilarious stuff".
"And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything…Grab ’em by the p***y. You can do anything"
If consent is given, its fair game.
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On October 12 2016 08:30 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2016 08:14 KwarK wrote:On October 12 2016 08:12 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 12 2016 08:11 KwarK wrote:On October 12 2016 08:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 12 2016 07:57 Nevuk wrote:
Even if the craziest of Clinton's conspiracies were true, she'd still be miles ahead of what's been confirmed about Trump. Not true. Clinton's scale of scandal is about national security, national policies, what goes behind the curtains of politics. Trump's scandal is just him saying hilarious stuff. Not even comparable. What about the scandal where the justice department sued him over discriminatory rental practices because he wouldn't lease to African Americans and, after fighting and failing, he accepted their judgement and paid their fines? Was that about what he said? Give link. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/us/politics/donald-trump-housing-race.htmlThis was referenced in the first debate. Trump said it was the 80s and that everyone did it. Then it will depend how will he reframe the story and what other dirt does he have Hillary if this story even get brought up.
Um.....there is no reframing this story. It is reality now and it cost him all the votes it could cost him. The country moved on and has mostly made up its mind on Trump. They don't like him at all.
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On October 12 2016 08:32 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2016 08:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 12 2016 08:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 12 2016 07:57 Nevuk wrote:
Even if the craziest of Clinton's conspiracies were true, she'd still be miles ahead of what's been confirmed about Trump. Not true. Clinton's scale of scandal is about national security, national policies, what goes behind the curtains of politics. Trump's scandal is just him saying hilarious stuff. Not even comparable. Today I learned that sexual assault and stomping on the Constitution are "hilarious stuff". "And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything…Grab ’em by the p***y. You can do anything" If consent is given, its fair game.
"I don't even wait"
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On October 12 2016 08:32 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2016 08:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 12 2016 08:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 12 2016 07:57 Nevuk wrote:
Even if the craziest of Clinton's conspiracies were true, she'd still be miles ahead of what's been confirmed about Trump. Not true. Clinton's scale of scandal is about national security, national policies, what goes behind the curtains of politics. Trump's scandal is just him saying hilarious stuff. Not even comparable. Today I learned that sexual assault and stomping on the Constitution are "hilarious stuff". "And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything…Grab ’em by the p***y. You can do anything" If consent is given, its fair game.
To bad you cut out the sentence where he said he doesn't even wait for consent, making it sexual assault.
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On October 12 2016 08:32 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2016 08:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 12 2016 08:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 12 2016 07:57 Nevuk wrote:
Even if the craziest of Clinton's conspiracies were true, she'd still be miles ahead of what's been confirmed about Trump. Not true. Clinton's scale of scandal is about national security, national policies, what goes behind the curtains of politics. Trump's scandal is just him saying hilarious stuff. Not even comparable. Today I learned that sexual assault and stomping on the Constitution are "hilarious stuff". "And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything…Grab ’em by the p***y. You can do anything" If consent is given, its fair game.
...You must have missed the part where he bragged that he didn't wait to receive consent.
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On October 12 2016 08:32 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2016 08:30 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 12 2016 08:14 KwarK wrote:On October 12 2016 08:12 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 12 2016 08:11 KwarK wrote:On October 12 2016 08:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 12 2016 07:57 Nevuk wrote:
Even if the craziest of Clinton's conspiracies were true, she'd still be miles ahead of what's been confirmed about Trump. Not true. Clinton's scale of scandal is about national security, national policies, what goes behind the curtains of politics. Trump's scandal is just him saying hilarious stuff. Not even comparable. What about the scandal where the justice department sued him over discriminatory rental practices because he wouldn't lease to African Americans and, after fighting and failing, he accepted their judgement and paid their fines? Was that about what he said? Give link. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/us/politics/donald-trump-housing-race.htmlThis was referenced in the first debate. Trump said it was the 80s and that everyone did it. Then it will depend how will he reframe the story and what other dirt does he have Hillary if this story even get brought up. Um.....there is no reframing this story. It is reality now and it cost him all the votes it could cost him. The country moved on and has mostly made up its mind on Trump. They don't like him at all.
It is important to not generalize the whole country.
Its not like he is losing badly in the polls, some polls even have him being favored.
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On October 12 2016 08:09 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2016 07:57 Nevuk wrote:
Even if the craziest of Clinton's conspiracies were true, she'd still be miles ahead of what's been confirmed about Trump. you underestimate the craziness of the alt right, like alex jones now saying that she and obama are literal demons
What's the problem with demons? I'd rather have a corrupt, competent murdering literal demon than an idiotic fascistic rapist pedophile.
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