EPTOn October 05 2016 11:47 Sermokala wrote:
Theres no soviet dominance of eastern europe? or "lockbox"
Theres no soviet dominance of eastern europe? or "lockbox"
Yes, Trump's performance at the first debate was by FAR worse than lockbox.
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Nevuk
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Yes, Trump's performance at the first debate was by FAR worse than lockbox. | ||
KwarK
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On October 05 2016 11:46 FiWiFaKi wrote: Beastiality, necrophilia, and prostitution is illegal in a lot of places. Are these things being illegal also not taking away autonomy from people? When we think that something is bad, even though it doesn't affect other people, we don't allow it. And this is coming from a pro-choice guy. Those are prohibitive laws, not proscriptive ones. A law against prostitution reads "you must not exchange money for sex". A law against abortion reads "you must carry a pregnancy to term". It should be compared with "you must exchange money for sex" for a reasonable comparison. | ||
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Netscape9
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On October 05 2016 11:49 KwarK wrote: Those are prohibitive laws, not proscriptive ones. A law against prostitution reads "you must not exchange money for sex". A law against abortion reads "you must carry a pregnancy to term". It should be compared with "you must exchange money for sex" for a reasonable comparison. "You must not receive an abortion." "You must abstain from having sex in exchange for money." | ||
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OuchyDathurts
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On October 05 2016 11:45 KwarK wrote: Oddly enough control over family planning, which does include abortion, is one of the key factors linked with bringing people out of poverty. It's that and education. Lack of access to sex education, contraception, abortion etc condemn America's least well off people to a cycle of poverty. And that does disproportionately impact black people. So as easy as it would be to say "That's so obvious it's retarded, no shit abortion laws weren't literally the same as Jim Crow laws and aren't explicitly intended to keep black people down" it's actually more complicated because abortion laws do play a role in keeping black people down. Also when you consider the fact that you will NEVER stop people from having abortions then all you're doing by making them illegal is hurting women, especially poor women. If she doesn't have access to abortion in her area she's got to travel for it which puts a financial gate on it. If she can't get it in America anymore she'll have to go to another country which obviously poor people can't afford. If she has no safe options she'll turn to other means to go through with the procedure. | ||
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KwarK
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On October 05 2016 11:50 Netscape9 wrote: "You must not receive an abortion." "You must abstain from having sex in exchange for money." If someone tells a woman 4 weeks pregnant that she must not have an abortion they are telling her she must carry it to term. If someone tells me that I must not have sex for money then that doesn't mean I must have sex for free. This isn't too complicated to understand, surely. They're not talking about banning people who aren't pregnant and can't get pregnant from abortions, they're talking about pregnant women here. | ||
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Titan107
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Weak ending with the abortion bit. | ||
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KwarK
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On October 05 2016 11:52 xDaunt wrote: Well, I think that it's safe to say that the RNC can go ahead and put up the victory page now. You, like the RNC, put it up before the debate started. | ||
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Kickstart
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On October 05 2016 11:53 Titan107 wrote: Pence dominated pretty hard... At least you are saying so after the debate took place~ | ||
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xDaunt
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On October 05 2016 11:53 Titan107 wrote: Pence dominated pretty hard... I don't know if I'd say that Pence dominated so much as Kaine more or less forfeited the match. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On October 05 2016 11:46 FiWiFaKi wrote: Beastiality, necrophilia, and prostitution is illegal in a lot of places. Are these things being illegal also not taking away autonomy from people? When we think that something is bad, even though it doesn't affect other people, we don't allow it. And this is coming from a pro-choice guy. Bestiality is about abusing animals more than anything else. And a lot about social shaming. But mostly about animal abuse. Necrophilia is about society that respects the dead and respects the people connected with the dead. Saying it doesn't effect people is dumb. Prostitution is probably comparable at least, and yeah, outlawing it and persecuting prostitutes isn't really smart. World's oldest profession for a reason. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
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On October 05 2016 11:54 WolfintheSheep wrote: Bestiality is about abusing animals more than anything else. And a lot about social shaming. But mostly about animal abuse. Necrophilia is about society that respects the dead and respects the people connected with the dead. Saying it doesn't effect people is dumb. Prostitution is probably comparable at least, and yeah, outlawing it and persecuting prostitutes isn't really smart. World's oldest profession for a reason. I won't bother responding to all of them, but how is your point on necrophilia and respecting the dead any different than respecting life? | ||
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GreenHorizons
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On October 05 2016 11:58 LegalLord wrote: Pence came out of this one less stupid. I don't think this debate changed my opinion of either candidate or either VP, at all. They basically were what I thought they were. Thanks Coach Green ;P Yeah, was basically a preview for 2020 if Hillary isn't politically palatable, 2024 if she is. Democrats are heading toward Kaine not Warren or Brown, Unless progressives drag them back that is. | ||
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Plansix
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Like that is some deeply stupid, tinfoil hat shit. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
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On October 05 2016 12:03 GreenHorizons wrote: Thanks Coach Green ;P Yeah, was basically a preview for 2020 if Hillary isn't politically palatable, 2024 if she is. Democrats are heading toward Kaine not Warren or Brown, Unless progressives drag them back that is. I don't see how you can possibly say that the Democratic party is heading toward the likes of Kaine, an older white male that is most definitely a politician out of prior generations that also isn't very well-known or particularly liked. | ||
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