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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 26 2016 14:25 GMT
#103061
I would like more Muslims tbh. It would be easier to get good shwarma.
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4461 Posts
September 26 2016 14:26 GMT
#103062
On September 26 2016 23:21 farvacola wrote:
I'm gonna guess Chicago, L.A., Baltimore, Houston, Atlanta, New Orleans, and either Philadelphia or St. Louis to round out the last spot

All dem strongholds.
Doubt it'll affect the vote there much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4461 Posts
September 26 2016 14:27 GMT
#103063
On September 26 2016 23:25 ticklishmusic wrote:
I would like more Muslims tbh. It would be easier to get good shwarma.

Spinach and feta gozleme is good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18874 Posts
September 26 2016 14:28 GMT
#103064
On September 26 2016 23:26 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2016 23:21 farvacola wrote:
I'm gonna guess Chicago, L.A., Baltimore, Houston, Atlanta, New Orleans, and either Philadelphia or St. Louis to round out the last spot

All dem strongholds.
Doubt it'll affect the vote there much.

Only 2 sit in traditionally blue states, but go ahead and show off how little you know about our political subdivisions
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4461 Posts
September 26 2016 14:30 GMT
#103065
On September 26 2016 23:28 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2016 23:26 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On September 26 2016 23:21 farvacola wrote:
I'm gonna guess Chicago, L.A., Baltimore, Houston, Atlanta, New Orleans, and either Philadelphia or St. Louis to round out the last spot

All dem strongholds.
Doubt it'll affect the vote there much.

Only 2 sit in traditionally blue states, but go ahead and show off how little you know about our political subdivisions

You think people living in those states don't already know those cities are hellholes?
lol.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18874 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-26 14:31:56
September 26 2016 14:31 GMT
#103066
On September 26 2016 23:30 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2016 23:28 farvacola wrote:
On September 26 2016 23:26 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On September 26 2016 23:21 farvacola wrote:
I'm gonna guess Chicago, L.A., Baltimore, Houston, Atlanta, New Orleans, and either Philadelphia or St. Louis to round out the last spot

All dem strongholds.
Doubt it'll affect the vote there much.

Only 2 sit in traditionally blue states, but go ahead and show off how little you know about our political subdivisions

You think people living in those states don't already know those cities are hellholes?
lol.....

That has nothing to do with crime rates?
lol......you're supposed to reference gold and/or the impending global collapse now, silly.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 26 2016 14:36 GMT
#103067
On September 26 2016 23:30 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2016 23:28 farvacola wrote:
On September 26 2016 23:26 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On September 26 2016 23:21 farvacola wrote:
I'm gonna guess Chicago, L.A., Baltimore, Houston, Atlanta, New Orleans, and either Philadelphia or St. Louis to round out the last spot

All dem strongholds.
Doubt it'll affect the vote there much.

Only 2 sit in traditionally blue states, but go ahead and show off how little you know about our political subdivisions

You think people living in those states don't already know those cities are hellholes?
lol.....

Crime on the rise =/= hell hole for all of those cities. I would list two of those cities as places I would not willing live due to crime. Maybe you should stick to talking about conspiracy theory stuff, because you knowledge of US cities and if they are dumpster fires is pretty weak.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4461 Posts
September 26 2016 14:37 GMT
#103068
On September 26 2016 23:31 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2016 23:30 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On September 26 2016 23:28 farvacola wrote:
On September 26 2016 23:26 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On September 26 2016 23:21 farvacola wrote:
I'm gonna guess Chicago, L.A., Baltimore, Houston, Atlanta, New Orleans, and either Philadelphia or St. Louis to round out the last spot

All dem strongholds.
Doubt it'll affect the vote there much.

Only 2 sit in traditionally blue states, but go ahead and show off how little you know about our political subdivisions

You think people living in those states don't already know those cities are hellholes?
lol.....

That has nothing to do with crime rates?
lol......you're supposed to reference gold and/or the impending global collapse now, silly.

No need, most of those cities have already collapsed.
Saw some footage from East St Louis on the tube, makes the third world look like an upgrade.
But it's been like that for at least 30 years so i don't see why a few extra murders would change any opinion apart from maybe taking out a few more democrat voters.Literally.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-26 14:40:37
September 26 2016 14:38 GMT
#103069
It looks like 2015 might be more a reversion to the mean rather than an "increase"

[image loading]

First uptick in awhile, but I wouldn't freak out just yet.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 26 2016 14:47 GMT
#103070
On September 26 2016 23:37 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2016 23:31 farvacola wrote:
On September 26 2016 23:30 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On September 26 2016 23:28 farvacola wrote:
On September 26 2016 23:26 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On September 26 2016 23:21 farvacola wrote:
I'm gonna guess Chicago, L.A., Baltimore, Houston, Atlanta, New Orleans, and either Philadelphia or St. Louis to round out the last spot

All dem strongholds.
Doubt it'll affect the vote there much.

Only 2 sit in traditionally blue states, but go ahead and show off how little you know about our political subdivisions

You think people living in those states don't already know those cities are hellholes?
lol.....

That has nothing to do with crime rates?
lol......you're supposed to reference gold and/or the impending global collapse now, silly.

No need, most of those cities have already collapsed.
Saw some footage from East St Louis on the tube, makes the third world look like an upgrade.
But it's been like that for at least 30 years so i don't see why a few extra murders would change any opinion apart from maybe taking out a few more democrat voters.Literally.

You mean due to the floods? Like the record breaking floods? LA is fine. Chicago is Chicago. Baltimore continues to be Baltimore. You seem to be confused about a lot of the US over there across the ocean.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7684 Posts
September 26 2016 15:09 GMT
#103071
On September 26 2016 23:38 ticklishmusic wrote:
It looks like 2015 might be more a reversion to the mean rather than an "increase"

[image loading]

First uptick in awhile, but I wouldn't freak out just yet.


can you extend that line back to at least 2006? post recession crime might be high
It is terrible to die of thirst at sea. Must you so salt your truth that it will no longer even slake thirst?
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28920 Posts
September 26 2016 15:11 GMT
#103072
On September 26 2016 23:13 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2016 22:54 Liquid`Drone wrote:
On September 26 2016 22:35 Danglars wrote:
On September 26 2016 20:04 Liquid`Drone wrote:
On September 26 2016 08:57 TheDwf wrote:
On September 26 2016 08:29 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Now to some people it isn't troubling, that's fine, but when I look at Europe, and how rapidly their Muslim population has been rising...

Rose so rapidly that there is now a terrifying proportion of... 6% Muslims in Europe (factoring in the countries with a majority of Muslim in South East Europe). Guess we'll have to wait a few centuries before wearing turbans, uh? But medias did such a nice propaganda job that they managed to convince millions of people of the existence of an unstoppable force:

[image loading]


I'm not really up to date on the thread, just got to this post now, but I just have to quote this post because that picture is fucking beautiful and it should be present on more pages. Thank you.

I can believe perception is higher than reality.

And why the hell does it say public estimates of Muslim population "%, 2014." Those numbers look like they're from 2010. Which would make more academic sense since it would be ludicrous to compare actual muslim representation in 2010 to public perceptions in 2014.
[image loading]


Perception being higher than reality makes total sense to me too. It's just that the discrepancies are so high - 5% compare to 0.1%? 3-4 times higher than reality for most countries? I'm also with you that the numbers of muslims from 2010 doesn't perfectly match up with the numbers from 2014, but I'd be very surprised if the numbers actually changed all that significantly. (If it was perception from 2016 with real numbers from 2010, that'd be different - migrant crisis did for some countries, like germany and sweden, lead to a big increase, but then even for sweden, we're looking at real numbers moving from like 5% to like 7% - nothing near justifying the 17% impression. )

I basically don't think this is really a case of deliberate misleading or obtuseness - it's just that there aren't necessarily good data for every year. 2010 was apparently a year where pew researched this, so they have good numbers for immigrants for 2010, then 2014 they have good numbers for what the impression is. Then the actual numbers hardly changed from 2010 until 2014 - I'd be very surprised if real numbers changed by more than 2% for any surveyed country, and I think it's more likely they changed by 0.5% or less.

edit: The reason why I wanted to highlight this was also to showcase how the narratives matter, and for that reason, perception poll being after reality poll makes some sense, even independently of practical matters. Perceptions are shaped over time and much more volatile than the actual numbers are. I would have loved to see perception numbers from 2010 - if they are significantly lower than 2014 numbers, I'd argue this is because of the islam-unfriendly narrative having successfully been pushed and changing people's impressions over a 4 year period of time.

No, like the actual numbers of perception are identical to an economist graphic with 2010 attitudes. Down to the tenth of a percent.

They'd have to do another to make any conclusions. Besides people are bad at estimating gross percent (people are also bad at estimating poverty rate and low-income rates). Perceptions should be mismatched even worse 2014/15/16 after seeing a doubling or tripling rate of migrants, mostly visually congregated at points of entry. And of course the deeply unpopular political response.


I actually can buy 'people are just terrible at math and don't know what percentages mean' as a decent explanation for this.
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
September 26 2016 15:12 GMT
#103073
On the morning of the first presidential debate, Donald Trump's campaign manager appeared on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" and was pushed again and again to explain why her candidate said that debate moderator Lester Holt is a Democrat when he is actually a registered Republican.

[...]

"We're asking why he lied about Lester Holt."

"He didn't lie," Conway said.

"Um, I think he did," Brzezinski said.

"Mika, a lie would mean that he knew the man's party registration," Conway said.


Washington Post

Because when you're this bad of a liar, your campaign manager goes on TV and says it's not a lie if you were just asserting something without know whether it's true.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 26 2016 15:16 GMT
#103074
On September 27 2016 00:09 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2016 23:38 ticklishmusic wrote:
It looks like 2015 might be more a reversion to the mean rather than an "increase"

[image loading]

First uptick in awhile, but I wouldn't freak out just yet.


can you extend that line back to at least 2006? post recession crime might be high


Graph is only for 5 years but stats here show a pretty straight decline with a slight bump before the recession oddly
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 26 2016 15:17 GMT
#103075
On September 27 2016 00:12 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On the morning of the first presidential debate, Donald Trump's campaign manager appeared on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" and was pushed again and again to explain why her candidate said that debate moderator Lester Holt is a Democrat when he is actually a registered Republican.

[...]

"We're asking why he lied about Lester Holt."

"He didn't lie," Conway said.

"Um, I think he did," Brzezinski said.

"Mika, a lie would mean that he knew the man's party registration," Conway said.


Washington Post

Because when you're this bad of a liar, your campaign manager goes on TV and says it's not a lie if you were just asserting something without know whether it's true.


Oh, so he's an uninformed dumbass who makes shit up not a liar.

I need a moment to figure out of the two are actually different and if so which one is worse.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 26 2016 15:19 GMT
#103076
On September 27 2016 00:12 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On the morning of the first presidential debate, Donald Trump's campaign manager appeared on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" and was pushed again and again to explain why her candidate said that debate moderator Lester Holt is a Democrat when he is actually a registered Republican.

[...]

"We're asking why he lied about Lester Holt."

"He didn't lie," Conway said.

"Um, I think he did," Brzezinski said.

"Mika, a lie would mean that he knew the man's party registration," Conway said.


Washington Post

Because when you're this bad of a liar, your campaign manager goes on TV and says it's not a lie if you were just asserting something without know whether it's true.

She is accurate about Trump. He just says things and doesn’t really care if they are true or not. Which is fine for a stand up comic. Not a good thing if you are president.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7684 Posts
September 26 2016 15:20 GMT
#103077
On September 27 2016 00:16 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 00:09 IgnE wrote:
On September 26 2016 23:38 ticklishmusic wrote:
It looks like 2015 might be more a reversion to the mean rather than an "increase"

[image loading]

First uptick in awhile, but I wouldn't freak out just yet.


can you extend that line back to at least 2006? post recession crime might be high


Graph is only for 5 years but stats here show a pretty straight decline with a slight bump before the recession oddly


so bumps indicate an impending financial crisis huh . . .
It is terrible to die of thirst at sea. Must you so salt your truth that it will no longer even slake thirst?
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
September 26 2016 15:23 GMT
#103078
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18487 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-26 15:30:07
September 26 2016 15:28 GMT
#103079
On September 27 2016 00:16 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 00:09 IgnE wrote:
On September 26 2016 23:38 ticklishmusic wrote:
It looks like 2015 might be more a reversion to the mean rather than an "increase"

[image loading]

First uptick in awhile, but I wouldn't freak out just yet.


can you extend that line back to at least 2006? post recession crime might be high


Graph is only for 5 years but stats here show a pretty straight decline with a slight bump before the recession oddly

Here, I excel'd it for ya
[image loading]
Do you want a trend line? I'm not sure a linear regression makes any sense for this data, though...
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7684 Posts
September 26 2016 15:30 GMT
#103080
maybe the number of super predators is rising in the general population. better look into that.
It is terrible to die of thirst at sea. Must you so salt your truth that it will no longer even slake thirst?
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