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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23469 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-22 19:55:51
September 22 2016 19:51 GMT
#101961
On September 23 2016 04:39 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2016 04:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
These last few pages have been a reminder that this forum is full of not black people.

Private prisons are horrific, another reason I'm not voting for the person who fundraised off them until she got called out for how despicable it was. Then she just used their bundlers to put a degree of separation between her and the private prisons.

Despite the refunds, Clinton campaign continues to benefit handsomely from the fundraising assistance of some closely connected to the private prison business. In another report filed Sunday night, the campaign disclosed that Richard Sullivan of Capitol Counsel—until recently, a Raleigh, N.C.-based federally registered lobbyist for the for-profit prison operator GEO Group—bundled $69,363 in donations for Clinton in the fourth quarter, bringing his total for the year to a whopping $274,891.

That makes Sullivan the second-most prolific lobbyist-bundler for the Clinton campaign, beaten out only by D.C. lobbyist Heather Podesta, who's tallied up $348,581 so far.


Source


"Hillary believes we should move away from contracting out this core responsibility of the federal government to private corporations, and from creating private industry incentives that may contribute—or have the appearance of contributing—to over-incarceration."

"I would do stop-and-frisk. I think you have to. We did it in New York; it worked incredibly well. And you have to be proactive."


You see, both will make the situation worse, one is just being honest about it. The other part is that people will think electing Hillary, so she could throw something out there for Republicans to shoot down, will be an acceptable outcome and be ready to move on.

The benefit of Trump's proposal is it gives a concrete policy to fight. Hillary just creates the illusion of doing something positive when it's not.

On September 23 2016 04:51 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2016 04:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
These last few pages have been a reminder that this forum is full of not black people.

Private prisons are horrific, another reason I'm not voting for the person who fundraised off them until she got called out for how despicable it was. Then she just used their bundlers to put a degree of separation between her and the private prisons.

Despite the refunds, Clinton campaign continues to benefit handsomely from the fundraising assistance of some closely connected to the private prison business. In another report filed Sunday night, the campaign disclosed that Richard Sullivan of Capitol Counsel—until recently, a Raleigh, N.C.-based federally registered lobbyist for the for-profit prison operator GEO Group—bundled $69,363 in donations for Clinton in the fourth quarter, bringing his total for the year to a whopping $274,891.

That makes Sullivan the second-most prolific lobbyist-bundler for the Clinton campaign, beaten out only by D.C. lobbyist Heather Podesta, who's tallied up $348,581 so far.


Source


From the same article:

Show nested quote +
"Hillary believes we should move away from contracting out this core responsibility of the federal government to private corporations, and from creating private industry incentives that may contribute—or have the appearance of contributing—to over-incarceration. The campaign does not accept contributions from federally registered lobbyists or PACs for private prison companies, and has donated any such direct contributions to charity," said the spokesman, who asked not to be named.


First, you realize this article is from February?

And second, you realize that it's part of the pledge she made to give any money from for-profit prisons to charity?


I read the article in Feb, so yes. You realize the first words I quoted were "Despite the refunds (which included the donation to charity)"?
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hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
September 22 2016 19:59 GMT
#101962
Any news on if the black guys beating that white guy are arrested yet? Or does neither the media or police care because they don't have anything to gain by going after that incident because the victim is white?
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 22 2016 20:02 GMT
#101963
On September 23 2016 04:59 hunts wrote:
Any news on if the black guys beating that white guy are arrested yet? Or does neither the media or police care because they don't have anything to gain by going after that incident because the victim is white?

How long ago did this happen?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-22 20:03:49
September 22 2016 20:03 GMT
#101964
On September 23 2016 04:51 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2016 04:39 Doodsmack wrote:
On September 23 2016 04:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
These last few pages have been a reminder that this forum is full of not black people.

Private prisons are horrific, another reason I'm not voting for the person who fundraised off them until she got called out for how despicable it was. Then she just used their bundlers to put a degree of separation between her and the private prisons.

Despite the refunds, Clinton campaign continues to benefit handsomely from the fundraising assistance of some closely connected to the private prison business. In another report filed Sunday night, the campaign disclosed that Richard Sullivan of Capitol Counsel—until recently, a Raleigh, N.C.-based federally registered lobbyist for the for-profit prison operator GEO Group—bundled $69,363 in donations for Clinton in the fourth quarter, bringing his total for the year to a whopping $274,891.

That makes Sullivan the second-most prolific lobbyist-bundler for the Clinton campaign, beaten out only by D.C. lobbyist Heather Podesta, who's tallied up $348,581 so far.


Source


"Hillary believes we should move away from contracting out this core responsibility of the federal government to private corporations, and from creating private industry incentives that may contribute—or have the appearance of contributing—to over-incarceration."

"I would do stop-and-frisk. I think you have to. We did it in New York; it worked incredibly well. And you have to be proactive."


You see, both will make the situation worse, one is just being honest about it. The other part is that people will think electing Hillary, so she could throw something out there for Republicans to shoot down, will be an acceptable outcome and be ready to move on.

The benefit of Trump's proposal is it gives a concrete policy to fight. Hillary just creates the illusion of doing something positive when it's not.

Show nested quote +
On September 23 2016 04:51 ticklishmusic wrote:
On September 23 2016 04:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
These last few pages have been a reminder that this forum is full of not black people.

Private prisons are horrific, another reason I'm not voting for the person who fundraised off them until she got called out for how despicable it was. Then she just used their bundlers to put a degree of separation between her and the private prisons.

Despite the refunds, Clinton campaign continues to benefit handsomely from the fundraising assistance of some closely connected to the private prison business. In another report filed Sunday night, the campaign disclosed that Richard Sullivan of Capitol Counsel—until recently, a Raleigh, N.C.-based federally registered lobbyist for the for-profit prison operator GEO Group—bundled $69,363 in donations for Clinton in the fourth quarter, bringing his total for the year to a whopping $274,891.

That makes Sullivan the second-most prolific lobbyist-bundler for the Clinton campaign, beaten out only by D.C. lobbyist Heather Podesta, who's tallied up $348,581 so far.


Source


From the same article:

"Hillary believes we should move away from contracting out this core responsibility of the federal government to private corporations, and from creating private industry incentives that may contribute—or have the appearance of contributing—to over-incarceration. The campaign does not accept contributions from federally registered lobbyists or PACs for private prison companies, and has donated any such direct contributions to charity," said the spokesman, who asked not to be named.


First, you realize this article is from February?

And second, you realize that it's part of the pledge she made to give any money from for-profit prisons to charity?


I read the article in Feb, so yes. You realize the first words I quoted were "Despite the refunds (which included the donation to charity)"?


Who will fight that concrete policy? The Republican Congress? The NAACP in the courts?
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 22 2016 20:04 GMT
#101965
One of these mayors where BLM is wreaking havoc needs to grow a pair and clear the vermin out. Regardless of the merits of the alleged grievance spurring these protests, the situation is unacceptably out of control.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 22 2016 20:06 GMT
#101966
..."The vermin"...
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
September 22 2016 20:08 GMT
#101967
On September 23 2016 04:59 hunts wrote:
Any news on if the black guys beating that white guy are arrested yet? Or does neither the media or police care because they don't have anything to gain by going after that incident because the victim is white?

no need to be rude about it. insinuating nobody cares about such a thing is uncalled for and unjustified.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
September 22 2016 20:09 GMT
#101968
maybe thugs? or degenerates?
Question.?
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 22 2016 20:09 GMT
#101969
On September 23 2016 05:09 biology]major wrote:
maybe thugs? or degenerates?

Nah, I prefer vermin for rioters and looters.
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
September 22 2016 20:09 GMT
#101970
On September 23 2016 05:06 Plansix wrote:
..."The vermin"...


What else do you call these creatures that are destroying police cars, setting fires, looting, and beating white people just for being white? These aren't people, these aren't law abiding citizens, these aren't the law abiding black people that are mistreated, these are beasts that nees to be taken off the streets.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-22 20:14:27
September 22 2016 20:10 GMT
#101971
to play sorta devil's advocate, perhaps xDaunt is using "the vermin" the way Clinton used superpredators, ie to refer to a segment of the african american population committing crimes. obviously loaded and hyperbolic terminology that most people today wouldn't use, but not 100% wrong.

or knowing that it's post-conservative xDaunt, he's just baiting people.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-22 20:11:18
September 22 2016 20:11 GMT
#101972
On September 23 2016 05:09 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2016 05:06 Plansix wrote:
..."The vermin"...


What else do you call these creatures that are destroying police cars, setting fires, looting, and beating white people just for being white? These aren't people, these aren't law abiding citizens, these aren't the law abiding black people that are mistreated, these are beasts that nees to be taken off the streets.

...Creatures....

This is some enlightening shit guys. Don't hold back.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
September 22 2016 20:13 GMT
#101973
On September 23 2016 05:09 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2016 05:06 Plansix wrote:
..."The vermin"...


What else do you call these creatures that are destroying police cars, setting fires, looting, and beating white people just for being white? These aren't people, these aren't law abiding citizens, these aren't the law abiding black people that are mistreated, these are beasts that nees to be taken off the streets.

Claiming criminals aren't people seems really... dangerous. They may be awful people for X, Y, or Z reasons, but to claim that a person ceases to be a person the instant they commit a crime is horrific thinking.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 22 2016 20:13 GMT
#101974
On September 23 2016 05:10 ticklishmusic wrote:
to play sorta devil's advocate, perhaps xDaunt is using "the vermin" the way Clinton used superpredators, ie to refer to a segment of the african american population committing crimes. obviously loaded terminology that most people today wouldn't use, but not precisely wrong.

or knowing that it's post-conservative xDaunt, he's just baiting people.


Damn, now here you are bringing race into it. Who's the racist now? =p
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 22 2016 20:14 GMT
#101975
On September 23 2016 05:10 ticklishmusic wrote:
to play sorta devil's advocate, perhaps xDaunt is using "the vermin" the way Clinton used superpredators, ie to refer to a segment of the african american population committing crimes. obviously loaded terminology that most people today wouldn't use, but not precisely wrong.

or knowing that it's post-conservative xDaunt, he's just baiting people.

Wait, are you telling me that Xdaunt, attorney at large, gate keeper of conservativism, the he whom challenges the mythical beast called racism, is just an eloquent shitposter?

You don’t say.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 22 2016 20:15 GMT
#101976
On September 23 2016 04:13 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2016 03:53 biology]major wrote:
If the races were reversed in that clip, just imagine the national outrage.


Well atleast he didnt get shot.

But yeah anyone who even touched a hair on that guys head for whatever reason should be having a mugshot taken imo.

White man getting beat up but should be happy he didn't get shot? Seriously?
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12328 Posts
September 22 2016 20:16 GMT
#101977
On September 23 2016 05:11 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2016 05:09 hunts wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:06 Plansix wrote:
..."The vermin"...


What else do you call these creatures that are destroying police cars, setting fires, looting, and beating white people just for being white? These aren't people, these aren't law abiding citizens, these aren't the law abiding black people that are mistreated, these are beasts that nees to be taken off the streets.

...Creatures....

This is some enlightening shit guys. Don't hold back.


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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
September 22 2016 20:16 GMT
#101978
On September 23 2016 05:11 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2016 05:09 hunts wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:06 Plansix wrote:
..."The vermin"...


What else do you call these creatures that are destroying police cars, setting fires, looting, and beating white people just for being white? These aren't people, these aren't law abiding citizens, these aren't the law abiding black people that are mistreated, these are beasts that nees to be taken off the streets.

...Creatures....

This is some enlightening shit guys. Don't hold back.


I think you're being a little unfair. I don't think they are saying all the protesters are vermin or creatures or whatever. They are saying these distinctly shitty people who are beating people and trying to toss people into fire (WTF) are indeed pieces of shit. We shouldn't have any reservations about labeling violent protesters are awful, awful people. Plenty of peaceful protesters who don't try to throw people into flaming trash cans.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9246 Posts
September 22 2016 20:16 GMT
#101979
On September 23 2016 05:09 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2016 05:06 Plansix wrote:
..."The vermin"...


What else do you call these creatures that are destroying police cars, setting fires, looting, and beating white people just for being white? These aren't people, these aren't law abiding citizens, these aren't the law abiding black people that are mistreated, these are beasts that nees to be taken off the streets.


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You're now breathing manually
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
September 22 2016 20:16 GMT
#101980
On September 23 2016 05:13 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2016 05:09 hunts wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:06 Plansix wrote:
..."The vermin"...


What else do you call these creatures that are destroying police cars, setting fires, looting, and beating white people just for being white? These aren't people, these aren't law abiding citizens, these aren't the law abiding black people that are mistreated, these are beasts that nees to be taken off the streets.

Claiming criminals aren't people seems really... dangerous. They may be awful people for X, Y, or Z reasons, but to claim that a person ceases to be a person the instant they commit a crime is horrific thinking.


You aee right, I went overboard in my anger at the situation with all the riots that are allowed to go on and destroy property and commit hate crimes and get away with it. They are still people, although it does not change the fact thst I think all of the rioters involved in any of the violence should be locked up for a good while
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