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On September 14 2016 22:39 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 22:30 TheTenthDoc wrote:On September 14 2016 17:58 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Brutal ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsBaFl6XEAAwLhi.jpg) Fascinating that Trump believes half his supporters constitutes almost half the country. If he really thinks that's how much support he has it's no surprise he thinks polls and the election will be rigged. Trump has complained several times that the reporters “pay too much attention to the polls and not his rallies.” I bet he feels that the polls are not catching all of his supporters and there are of them out there, in secret. He is the type of person that simple assumes data is flawed if it disagrees with the views he wants to hold.
To be fair he gets a ton more turnout at his rallies then hillary gets and that gets no press attention at all practically and polls get all the attention. I'm not sure what or if its relevant to the election but its a legitimate argument especially with how finicky polls can get with bias and methodology.
Also it doesn't matter that Hillary said a fourth of the nation and romney said half it matters that obama said that the president should represent all Americans regardless.
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On September 14 2016 23:01 Plansix wrote:
Considering she said almost nothing during both of Bush’s terms, people should assume she didn’t make that comment lightly.
Confluence of several factors probably. Political discourse becoming much worse, her getting older and giving less of a damn, Trump being actually really bad (in her opinion)
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You can represent them while thinking their deplorable. Kind of like that old add age about hating what you say but defend to the death your right to say it.
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https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/colin-powell-calls-trump-national-disgrace-in-personal-email?utm_term=.snV3a6dMw#.ofb2jVwWP
Former Secretary of State Colin Powell, a retired four-star general who served under three Republican presidents, slammed GOP nominee Donald Trump as “a national disgrace” and an “international pariah,” according to his personal emails seen by BuzzFeed News.
The remarks came in a June 17, 2016, email to Emily Miller, a journalist who was once Powell’s aide. In that same email Powell also said Trump “is in the process of destroying himself, no need for Dems to attack him. [Speaker of the House] Paul Ryan is calibrating his position again.”
The website DCLeaks.com — which has reported, but not confirmed, ties to Russian intelligence services — obtained Powell’s emails. It may be the latest example of a Russian entity potentially trying to influence the US presidential election — in July, the FBI said it believed Russia was behind the hack of the Democratic National Committee’s internal emails right before they party’s convention
Which side are the Russians supposedly on again?
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Yeah wouldn't it just be overly PC to say "I love all voters and this is happy valley"?
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On September 14 2016 23:08 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 22:39 Plansix wrote:On September 14 2016 22:30 TheTenthDoc wrote:On September 14 2016 17:58 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Brutal Fascinating that Trump believes half his supporters constitutes almost half the country. If he really thinks that's how much support he has it's no surprise he thinks polls and the election will be rigged. Trump has complained several times that the reporters “pay too much attention to the polls and not his rallies.” I bet he feels that the polls are not catching all of his supporters and there are of them out there, in secret. He is the type of person that simple assumes data is flawed if it disagrees with the views he wants to hold. To be fair he gets a ton more turnout at his rallies then hillary gets and that gets no press attention at all practically and polls get all the attention. I'm not sure what or if its relevant to the election but its a legitimate argument especially with how finicky polls can get with bias and methodology. Also it doesn't matter that Hillary said a fourth of the nation and romney said half it matters that obama said that the president should represent all Americans regardless.
I would argue that the number of people at a rally does not matter once full presidential race has start and both candidates have the backing and funding of the respective political parties. If they want to pull a crowd of friendly followers, both camps can do that. I think the discussion around polling and the people not showing up to rallies is more relevant to the election.
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Clearly, oversensitivity is in the eye of the beholder 
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The New York State attorney general's office has opened a broad inquiry into the Trump Foundation, the office confirms.
The inquiry concerns, among other things, Donald Trump buying a portrait of himself and a donation to a group supporting Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi, a Trump supporter, according to a source in the office.
The question is whether Trump Foundation made accurate disclosures, a source said. Further details about the portrait and other donations were not immediately available.
The contribution to Bondi's fundraising committee has drawn scrutiny because her office declined to join a lawsuit against Trump regarding his now-shuttered school, Trump University.
The Attorney General, Eric Schneiderman, a Hillary Clinton supporter, is pursuing litigation against Trump over Trump University, accusing him of “mis[leading] consumers into paying for a series of expensive courses that did not deliver on their promises.”
Yahoo
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I saw that article last night. From what the Washington Post has dug up, the Trump Foundation is pure shady business. Of course Trump while whine about the NY attorney general, but that is his natural state when he is told he is breaking laws.
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On September 14 2016 23:45 Plansix wrote:
I saw that article last night. From what the Washington Post has dug up, the Trump Foundation is pure shady business. Of course Trump while whine about the NY attorney general, but that is his natural state when he is told he is breaking laws.
Clearly Trump needs to take lessons from Clinton in how to run a scam foundation without getting caught.
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On September 14 2016 23:45 Plansix wrote:
I saw that article last night. From what the Washington Post has dug up, the Trump Foundation is pure shady business. Of course Trump while whine about the NY attorney general, but that is his natural state when he is told he is breaking laws.
And not just a whine - an all out assault. THAT is Trump's strategy. The fierceness of the counterattack is meant to lend credibility to it.
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On September 14 2016 23:48 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 23:45 Plansix wrote:
I saw that article last night. From what the Washington Post has dug up, the Trump Foundation is pure shady business. Of course Trump while whine about the NY attorney general, but that is his natural state when he is told he is breaking laws. Clearly Trump needs to take lessons from Clinton in how to run a scam foundation without getting caught.
◾Clinton Development Initiative staff in Africa train rural farmers and help them get access to seeds, equipment and markets for their crops.
◾Clinton Climate Initiative staff help governments in Africa and the Caribbean region with reforestation efforts, and in island nations to help develop renewable energy projects.
◾Staff at the Clinton Health Access Initiative, an independent, affiliated entity, work in dozens of nations to lower the cost of HIV/AIDS medicine, scale up pediatric AIDS treatment and promote treatment of diarrhea through life-saving Zinc/ORS treatment.
◾Clinton Health Matters staff work with local governments and businesses in the United States to develop wellness and physical activity plans.
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I thought the Bondi issue was settled. She called him up and said she was looking into Trump University and also she was fund raising and explained that this absolutely wasn't a shakedown. The Trump Foundation therefore wrote her fund raising PAC a check and then changed their books to record this as a donation to a different charity which they didn't give shit to. Trump repeatedly defended the donation to Bondi and said that he definitely meant to do it. Then someone pointed out that he'd recorded it as a donation to a different charity and that Bondi's PAC wasn't a charity and the charity he said he gave the money to hadn't gotten shit. So Trump explained that it was all a misunderstanding and that he never meant to donate to Bondi's PAC and that he always meant to donate to the charity and he had the Trump Foundation give the same amount to that charity while repaying the Bondi PAC bribe himself.
I don't know how anyone could have a problem with that. It's like Donald says
When they call, I give. And you know what, when I need something from them two years later, three years later, I call them. They are there for me. That's a broken system.
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On September 14 2016 23:08 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 22:39 Plansix wrote:On September 14 2016 22:30 TheTenthDoc wrote:On September 14 2016 17:58 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Brutal Fascinating that Trump believes half his supporters constitutes almost half the country. If he really thinks that's how much support he has it's no surprise he thinks polls and the election will be rigged. Trump has complained several times that the reporters “pay too much attention to the polls and not his rallies.” I bet he feels that the polls are not catching all of his supporters and there are of them out there, in secret. He is the type of person that simple assumes data is flawed if it disagrees with the views he wants to hold. To be fair he gets a ton more turnout at his rallies then hillary gets and that gets no press attention at all practically and polls get all the attention. I'm not sure what or if its relevant to the election but its a legitimate argument especially with how finicky polls can get with bias and methodology. Also it doesn't matter that Hillary said a fourth of the nation and romney said half it matters that obama said that the president should represent all Americans regardless.
He also systematically lies about the size of his rallies, so anyone quoting Trump's rally numbers from his own statements gets burned when the local governments tell them it was literally impossible for them to be as large as he says they were. Not surprising the press doesn't report on them much.
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On September 15 2016 00:18 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 23:08 Sermokala wrote:On September 14 2016 22:39 Plansix wrote:On September 14 2016 22:30 TheTenthDoc wrote:On September 14 2016 17:58 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Brutal Fascinating that Trump believes half his supporters constitutes almost half the country. If he really thinks that's how much support he has it's no surprise he thinks polls and the election will be rigged. Trump has complained several times that the reporters “pay too much attention to the polls and not his rallies.” I bet he feels that the polls are not catching all of his supporters and there are of them out there, in secret. He is the type of person that simple assumes data is flawed if it disagrees with the views he wants to hold. To be fair he gets a ton more turnout at his rallies then hillary gets and that gets no press attention at all practically and polls get all the attention. I'm not sure what or if its relevant to the election but its a legitimate argument especially with how finicky polls can get with bias and methodology. Also it doesn't matter that Hillary said a fourth of the nation and romney said half it matters that obama said that the president should represent all Americans regardless. He also systematically lies about the size of his rallies, so anyone quoting Trump's rally numbers from his own statements gets burned when the local governments tell them it was literally impossible for them to be as large as he says they were. Not surprising the press doesn't report on them much.
It would behoove the press to estimate the crowd on their own if they're going to attend them to get the footage we see every other day from them. More local press go for quotes and news to see a national politician come to their smaller town or city.
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On September 15 2016 00:25 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2016 00:18 TheTenthDoc wrote:On September 14 2016 23:08 Sermokala wrote:On September 14 2016 22:39 Plansix wrote:On September 14 2016 22:30 TheTenthDoc wrote:On September 14 2016 17:58 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Brutal Fascinating that Trump believes half his supporters constitutes almost half the country. If he really thinks that's how much support he has it's no surprise he thinks polls and the election will be rigged. Trump has complained several times that the reporters “pay too much attention to the polls and not his rallies.” I bet he feels that the polls are not catching all of his supporters and there are of them out there, in secret. He is the type of person that simple assumes data is flawed if it disagrees with the views he wants to hold. To be fair he gets a ton more turnout at his rallies then hillary gets and that gets no press attention at all practically and polls get all the attention. I'm not sure what or if its relevant to the election but its a legitimate argument especially with how finicky polls can get with bias and methodology. Also it doesn't matter that Hillary said a fourth of the nation and romney said half it matters that obama said that the president should represent all Americans regardless. He also systematically lies about the size of his rallies, so anyone quoting Trump's rally numbers from his own statements gets burned when the local governments tell them it was literally impossible for them to be as large as he says they were. Not surprising the press doesn't report on them much. It would behoove the press to estimate the crowd on their own if they're going to attend them to get the footage we see every other day from them. More local press go for quotes and news to see a national politician come to their smaller town or city.
Most of that video is shared or provided by other outlets. The reporters that cover Trump have access, but guessing the size of the crowd would be pure speculation with no foundation in reality.
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And lest we forget the size of Bernie rallies and how well those translated into results in California.
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On September 14 2016 23:50 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 23:48 Gorsameth wrote:On September 14 2016 23:45 Plansix wrote:
I saw that article last night. From what the Washington Post has dug up, the Trump Foundation is pure shady business. Of course Trump while whine about the NY attorney general, but that is his natural state when he is told he is breaking laws. Clearly Trump needs to take lessons from Clinton in how to run a scam foundation without getting caught. ◾Clinton Development Initiative staff in Africa train rural farmers and help them get access to seeds, equipment and markets for their crops. ◾Clinton Climate Initiative staff help governments in Africa and the Caribbean region with reforestation efforts, and in island nations to help develop renewable energy projects. ◾Staff at the Clinton Health Access Initiative, an independent, affiliated entity, work in dozens of nations to lower the cost of HIV/AIDS medicine, scale up pediatric AIDS treatment and promote treatment of diarrhea through life-saving Zinc/ORS treatment. ◾Clinton Health Matters staff work with local governments and businesses in the United States to develop wellness and physical activity plans.
Sorry I should have been cleared. I was being utterly sarcastic.
Some people here have repeatedly tried to cast doubt on the Clinton Foundation and yet it is Trump's foundation that is being investigated.
The irony is sweet.
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Whether Trump fudges the number of supporters who attend his rallies is rather irrelevant when he clearly is a much larger draw than Hillary.
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On September 15 2016 00:31 xDaunt wrote:
Whether Drumpf fudges the number of supporters who attend his rallies is rather irrelevant when he clearly is a much larger draw than Hillary.
Its ok to lie as long as you are winning ..... WIN WIN WIN.
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