EPTNot a very effective ad if it starts with Trump chastising Hillary and the message is that it's okay because we think Clinton is just doing the same thing Trump does.
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oBlade
United States6468 Posts
Not a very effective ad if it starts with Trump chastising Hillary and the message is that it's okay because we think Clinton is just doing the same thing Trump does. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
Her [Clinton's] dismal public standing on questions of candor, combined with decades of conspiracy theories about her health, had already produced an uncommon challenge for aides and supporters seeking to tamp down speculation about her physical condition. More substantively, among Democrats worried that Mrs. Clinton has failed to make a more forceful case for her candidacy since the party’s convention, her illness has reinforced the danger of a Trump-centric strategy — leaving the Clinton side without a memorable affirmative message to hammer home, especially when its chief messenger is on the mend. The focus on Mr. Trump has done little to remedy Mrs. Clinton’s trust deficit with voters. And despite volumes of policy proposals, even Clinton supporters often strain to identify cohesive themes, independent of Mr. Trump, in her campaign. www.nytimes.com | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On September 14 2016 02:09 oBlade wrote: Not a very effective ad if it starts with Trump chastising Hillary and the message is that it's okay because we think Clinton is just doing the same thing Trump does. Well I think it's saying Trump does it to a much greater extent, so we should keep this in perspective. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On September 14 2016 02:02 Doodsmack wrote: A day after Donald Trump passionately attacked Hillary Clinton’s assertion that half of his supporters fall into a “basket of deplorables,” the Democratic nominee’s campaign is hitting back with a new ad using his own comments about Americans to attack him. The one-minute ad, published online late Monday, begins with a clip of Trump blasting Clinton at a rally in Baltimore earlier in the day. “You can’t lead this nation if you have such a low opinion for its citizens,” Trump said of Clinton’s comments, which she partially walked back over the weekend. The ad quickly pivots to a compilation of Trump soundbites from the campaign trail, including his criticism of his GOP rivals’ supporters (“How stupid are the people of this country?”); his questioning of the fact that an American-born federal judge of Mexican descent was adjudicating a lawsuit against Trump University (“We’re building a wall — he’s a Mexican”); his attempt to reach out to African-American voters (“You’re living in poverty. Your schools are no good. You have no jobs. What the hell do you have to lose?”); and his comments about Rosie O’Donnell (“She’s a disgusting pig”). Is it only Trump, or is it standard for candidates to speak as if they're talking to 8 years old children? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18436 Posts
On September 14 2016 02:09 oBlade wrote: Not a very effective ad if it starts with Trump chastising Hillary and the message is that it's okay because we think Clinton is just doing the same thing Trump does. You put it into context. The ad deliberately rips it out of context. I don't think the context here is sufficiently linked to what Trump said for people to remember it through the ad (unless they were already firmly set on voting Trump, in which case the ad isn't aimed at them in the first place). Either way, it's a race to the bottom. I agree with you on that. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
On September 14 2016 02:13 TheDwf wrote: Is it only Trump, or is it standard for candidates to speak as if they're talking to 8 years old children? Trump's style is very much his own among politicians, though folks like Matt Bevin and Rick Scott speak somewhat similarly. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On September 14 2016 02:13 TheDwf wrote: Is it only Trump, or is it standard for candidates to speak as if they're talking to 8 years old children? It's moreso Trump than others. there's actually some research and analysis on the topic: http://www.cmu.edu/news/stories/archives/2016/march/speechifying.html http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a39031/trump-fourth-grade-level/ | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6642 Posts
yeah, not at all reassured by this interview lol, admits to fainting numerous times, ignoring her doctor's advice, easily dehydrated but takes no steps to counter that, didn't admit to pneumonia until she absolutely had to then tries to deflect everything on Trump, what a joke. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
Nope, she just showed everyone that she has no intention of changing course and just wants to coast on the hope that she can win on Trump disapproval. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 14 2016 02:41 LegalLord wrote: Hillary supporters (rather than reluctant voters) are not really any better. Well at least you found a way to feel superior to both of them. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On September 14 2016 02:42 Plansix wrote: Well at least you found a way to feel superior to both of them. It's not hard, it just requires a moderate amount of ability to acknowledge the flaws of each candidate. As opposed to the denialism I highlighted a few pages back of course (Hillary flaws are fake -> Not actually fake -> "but trump so w/e"). | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On September 14 2016 02:43 LegalLord wrote: It's not hard, it just requires a moderate amount of ability to acknowledge the flaws of each candidate. As opposed to the denial is I highlighted a few pages back of course (Hillary flaws are fake -> Not actually fake -> "but trump so w/e). As long as Trump is barrrrrrrrrrrrrrrely worse than Clinton, I will not hesitate for a moment to vote for Clinton. People focus way too much on having a good candidate. Maybe sometimes you don't get a good candidate. Oh fucking well. Not a whole lot I/we can do about it right now, so all that's left is a pros and cons list of what we have. I'm not in the habit of patting myself on the back for voting 3rd party, so I get what I get. I still firmly believe that a Trump presidency would be bad in ways we don't even think about because he is so grossly unqualified. Trump is no more qualified to be president than I am. That's terrifying. So I vote Clinton because I think she'll keep the lights on. I fully appreciate all the bad parts about her, but I only have 2 choices. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Not everyone defending Hillary is guilty of the latter, but some definitely are. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On September 14 2016 00:15 Doodsmack wrote: Wolf Blitzer: Is David Duke a deplorable person? Mike Pence: I'm not in the business of name-calling, Wolf. - Mike Pence, distinguishing himself from his running mate, 9/12/16 Why bother posting if you're going to post the most out of context garbage I've seen in this thread all week? If bad quality or misleading information should receive a warning/ban, not sure how you can get much closer. | ||
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JW_DTLA
242 Posts
On September 14 2016 03:05 FiWiFaKi wrote: Why bother posting if you're going to post the most out of context garbage I've seen in this thread all week? If bad quality or misleading information should receive a warning/ban, not sure how you can get much closer. Here's the missing context: The VP you support hates Hillary so much that he won't even call David Duke Deplorable. To do so would have been to acknowledge even a hint of truth to her "basket of deplorables" statement. http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/12/politics/mike-pence-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-election-2016/ | ||
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