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On September 12 2016 09:29 Mohdoo wrote:
Is this not an amazing excuse to get rid of Clinton? I really think Kaine could just stumbled into the white House at this point. His comparable baggage is practically nonexistent. He's a shoe in, right?
unless the candidate themself bows out; you can't ditch them over a temporary illness (not sure you could ditch them at all, but certainly not over temporary illness)
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On September 12 2016 09:28 ZeaL. wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 09:01 jello_biafra wrote:+ Show Spoiler +https://twitter.com/DavidShuster/status/775093724363784192
Is it even possible for them to do this? My understanding is they can't get on the ballot in most states at this late stage. David Shuster is an unemployed hack, you can pretty much ignore everything he tweets.
Didnt he get fired because he said something stupid about Chelsea and had some verbals with Hillary Staffers defending his insults ?
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Pneumonia: Brought to you by grand godfather Russian president Vladimir Putin.
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On September 12 2016 09:43 MasterCynical wrote:
Pneumonia: Brought to you by grand godfather Russian president Vladimir Putin.
The ultimate end to this election: November 1st, it is found Trump paid Russian operatives to get her sick.
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Dr. Jill Stein, the Green Party's candidate for president, said Sunday in Iowa that she would not have assassinated Osama bin Laden but would have brought him to justice for his role in the attacks on the United States on Sept. 11, 2001.
“I think assassinations … they’re against international law to start with and to that effect, I think I would not have assassinated Osama bin Laden but would have captured him and brought him to trial,” Stein said.
Bin Laden, the founder of al-Qaida, was shot and killed by U.S. special forces during a raid at a residence in Pakistan in 2011. The Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, and a failed attack that downed a passenger jet in Pennsylvania, killed nearly 3,000 people. Today, tens of thousands of people have become ill and thousands have died from illnesses attributed to the attacks.
Stein made her comments in an interview before her first Iowa campaign appearance, a rally that attracted more than 150 on the grounds of the Iowa State Capitol. The organizer and several of the speakers were former national delegates of Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders. During the rally, Stein argued for a renewable energy and jobs program that she says would eliminate fossil fuel use in the U.S. by 2030.
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She said that on 9/11?
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On September 12 2016 09:29 Mohdoo wrote:
Is this not an amazing excuse to get rid of Clinton? I really think Kaine could just stumbled into the white House at this point. His comparable baggage is practically nonexistent. He's a shoe in, right?
That will never happen. You will hear no one but the reporter speculating this.
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United States44415 Posts
On September 12 2016 09:51 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +Dr. Jill Stein, the Green Party's candidate for president, said Sunday in Iowa that she would not have assassinated Osama bin Laden but would have brought him to justice for his role in the attacks on the United States on Sept. 11, 2001.
“I think assassinations … they’re against international law to start with and to that effect, I think I would not have assassinated Osama bin Laden but would have captured him and brought him to trial,” Stein said.
Bin Laden, the founder of al-Qaida, was shot and killed by U.S. special forces during a raid at a residence in Pakistan in 2011. The Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, and a failed attack that downed a passenger jet in Pennsylvania, killed nearly 3,000 people. Today, tens of thousands of people have become ill and thousands have died from illnesses attributed to the attacks.
Stein made her comments in an interview before her first Iowa campaign appearance, a rally that attracted more than 150 on the grounds of the Iowa State Capitol. The organizer and several of the speakers were former national delegates of Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders. During the rally, Stein argued for a renewable energy and jobs program that she says would eliminate fossil fuel use in the U.S. by 2030. SourceShe said that on 9/11?
Jeremy Corbyn (leader of the UK Labour Party) has said the same previously. It's not a completely baseless stance, the way we show we're better than these people is by doing shit by the book. If we had the opportunity to take him alive, try him for his crimes and then execute him, there is certainly a case for arguing that we should have done so. However I don't disagree with the course that was chosen, trying him risked martyring him.
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The RNC movement to get rid of Trump failed, and Hillary has by far less opposition within the DNC thanks to her connections than Trump in the RNC.
There's no way it happens, as much as we might prefer alternative candidates.
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On September 12 2016 09:58 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 09:51 ticklishmusic wrote:Dr. Jill Stein, the Green Party's candidate for president, said Sunday in Iowa that she would not have assassinated Osama bin Laden but would have brought him to justice for his role in the attacks on the United States on Sept. 11, 2001.
“I think assassinations … they’re against international law to start with and to that effect, I think I would not have assassinated Osama bin Laden but would have captured him and brought him to trial,” Stein said.
Bin Laden, the founder of al-Qaida, was shot and killed by U.S. special forces during a raid at a residence in Pakistan in 2011. The Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, and a failed attack that downed a passenger jet in Pennsylvania, killed nearly 3,000 people. Today, tens of thousands of people have become ill and thousands have died from illnesses attributed to the attacks.
Stein made her comments in an interview before her first Iowa campaign appearance, a rally that attracted more than 150 on the grounds of the Iowa State Capitol. The organizer and several of the speakers were former national delegates of Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders. During the rally, Stein argued for a renewable energy and jobs program that she says would eliminate fossil fuel use in the U.S. by 2030. SourceShe said that on 9/11? Jeremy Corbyn (leader of the UK Labour Party) has said the same previously. It's not a completely baseless stance, the way we show we're better than these people is by doing shit by the book. If we had the opportunity to take him alive, try him for his crimes and then execute him, there is certainly a case for arguing that we should have done so. However I don't disagree with the course that was chosen, trying him risked martyring him.
In the context of how the raid went down, they didn't have much of a choice. They were already pretty pressed for time because being a few minutes away from an airbase in a foreign country that didn't authorize your presence, is not a scenario you can operate slowly in.
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On September 12 2016 09:58 TheYango wrote:
The RNC movement to get rid of Trump failed, and Hillary has by far less opposition within the DNC thanks to her connections than Trump in the RNC.
There's no way it happens, as much as we might prefer alternative candidates.
The only way it happens is if Hillary herself wants to step down because of health reasons. Possible, but very implausible.
On September 12 2016 09:51 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +Dr. Jill Stein, the Green Party's candidate for president, said Sunday in Iowa that she would not have assassinated Osama bin Laden but would have brought him to justice for his role in the attacks on the United States on Sept. 11, 2001.
“I think assassinations … they’re against international law to start with and to that effect, I think I would not have assassinated Osama bin Laden but would have captured him and brought him to trial,” Stein said.
Bin Laden, the founder of al-Qaida, was shot and killed by U.S. special forces during a raid at a residence in Pakistan in 2011. The Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, and a failed attack that downed a passenger jet in Pennsylvania, killed nearly 3,000 people. Today, tens of thousands of people have become ill and thousands have died from illnesses attributed to the attacks.
Stein made her comments in an interview before her first Iowa campaign appearance, a rally that attracted more than 150 on the grounds of the Iowa State Capitol. The organizer and several of the speakers were former national delegates of Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders. During the rally, Stein argued for a renewable energy and jobs program that she says would eliminate fossil fuel use in the U.S. by 2030. SourceShe said that on 9/11?
This is why the Stein/Sanders comparison is inapt, this is just being politically tone deaf for no reason. It won't gain her any votes and will just make those not in her party view her in a hostile manner. I mostly agree with her, but this is just an awful way to frame the statement unless she's purely look to draw attention for controversy.
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United States44415 Posts
On September 12 2016 10:01 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 09:58 KwarK wrote:On September 12 2016 09:51 ticklishmusic wrote:Dr. Jill Stein, the Green Party's candidate for president, said Sunday in Iowa that she would not have assassinated Osama bin Laden but would have brought him to justice for his role in the attacks on the United States on Sept. 11, 2001.
“I think assassinations … they’re against international law to start with and to that effect, I think I would not have assassinated Osama bin Laden but would have captured him and brought him to trial,” Stein said.
Bin Laden, the founder of al-Qaida, was shot and killed by U.S. special forces during a raid at a residence in Pakistan in 2011. The Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, and a failed attack that downed a passenger jet in Pennsylvania, killed nearly 3,000 people. Today, tens of thousands of people have become ill and thousands have died from illnesses attributed to the attacks.
Stein made her comments in an interview before her first Iowa campaign appearance, a rally that attracted more than 150 on the grounds of the Iowa State Capitol. The organizer and several of the speakers were former national delegates of Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders. During the rally, Stein argued for a renewable energy and jobs program that she says would eliminate fossil fuel use in the U.S. by 2030. SourceShe said that on 9/11? Jeremy Corbyn (leader of the UK Labour Party) has said the same previously. It's not a completely baseless stance, the way we show we're better than these people is by doing shit by the book. If we had the opportunity to take him alive, try him for his crimes and then execute him, there is certainly a case for arguing that we should have done so. However I don't disagree with the course that was chosen, trying him risked martyring him. In the context of how the raid went down, they didn't have much of a choice. They were already pretty pressed for time because being a few minutes away from an airbase in a foreign country that didn't authorize your presence, is not a scenario you can operate slowly in.
I know. I said as much here If we had the opportunity
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I feel like they could have manhandled him and if things started to go south put one in his brain and take the corpse. But I've also got zero problem with how shit went down either.
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On September 12 2016 10:20 OuchyDathurts wrote:
I feel like they could have manhandled him and if things started to go south put one in his brain and take the corpse. But I've also got zero problem with how shit went down either.
Would have worked great if he happened to have a suicide vest on. Or if they mistook him for anyone else during a very rushed raid in the middle of the night.
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I heard he was holding an AKS-74 when they kicked in his door.
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On September 12 2016 06:33 Acrofales wrote:That sounds legit. But also incredibly stupid and reckless to be out on the campaign trail with pneumonia. It's something most people recover from with no complications, but it is still a pretty serious infection. Anyway, she will be coughing for weeks of she has pneumonia, so that won't do well at the debates...
I honestly don't buy the pneumonia thing.
*puts tinfoil hat on*
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On September 12 2016 11:19 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 06:33 Acrofales wrote:That sounds legit. But also incredibly stupid and reckless to be out on the campaign trail with pneumonia. It's something most people recover from with no complications, but it is still a pretty serious infection. Anyway, she will be coughing for weeks of she has pneumonia, so that won't do well at the debates... I honestly don't buy the pneumonia thing. *puts tinfoil hat on*
Yeah, a big chance it's a huge white lie, people who take that at face value are gullible lol.
I wonder how much of an impact it will cause, this event plus the calling 25% of the USA deplorables. We're getting not too far from Trump in primary levels with this kind of language.
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Not all of us can be the free thinking people who get their news from Infowars.
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Yes, we all know there's very low chances for an old person to get pneumonia, she probably has megaebola
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On September 12 2016 11:22 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 11:19 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 12 2016 06:33 Acrofales wrote:That sounds legit. But also incredibly stupid and reckless to be out on the campaign trail with pneumonia. It's something most people recover from with no complications, but it is still a pretty serious infection. Anyway, she will be coughing for weeks of she has pneumonia, so that won't do well at the debates... I honestly don't buy the pneumonia thing. *puts tinfoil hat on* Yeah, a big chance it's a huge white lie, people who take that at face value are gullible lol. I wonder how much of an impact it will cause, this event plus the calling 25% of the USA deplorables. We're getting not too far from Trump in primary levels with this kind of language.
more like 20%; or maybe a lot less, I need to check which definition she used.
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On September 12 2016 11:22 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 11:19 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 12 2016 06:33 Acrofales wrote:That sounds legit. But also incredibly stupid and reckless to be out on the campaign trail with pneumonia. It's something most people recover from with no complications, but it is still a pretty serious infection. Anyway, she will be coughing for weeks of she has pneumonia, so that won't do well at the debates... I honestly don't buy the pneumonia thing. *puts tinfoil hat on* Yeah, a big chance it's a huge white lie, people who take that at face value are gullible lol. I wonder how much of an impact it will cause, this event plus the calling 25% of the USA deplorables. We're getting not too far from Trump in primary levels with this kind of language.
Ive had pneumonia before. if she really did have pneumonia, should have announced it weeks ago and just make press statement that she';s recovering from it. Why would you hide it for this long if true?
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