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Also Schlafly is dead, and not a damn was given.
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On September 06 2016 10:42 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2016 10:08 kwizach wrote:Soaring ocean temperature is 'greatest hidden challenge of our generation
The soaring temperature of the oceans is the “greatest hidden challenge of our generation” that is altering the make-up of marine species, shrinking fishing areas and starting to spread disease to humans, according to the most comprehensive analysis yet of ocean warming.
The oceans have already sucked up an enormous amount of heat due to escalating greenhouse gas emissions, affecting marine species from microbes to whales, according to an International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) report involving the work of 80 scientists from a dozen countries.
The profound changes underway in the oceans are starting to impact people, the report states. “Due to a domino effect, key human sectors are at threat, especially fisheries, aquaculture, coastal risk management, health and coastal tourism.”
Dan Laffoley, IUCN marine adviser and one of the report’s lead authors, said: “What we are seeing now is running well ahead of what we can cope with. The overall outlook is pretty gloomy.
“We perhaps haven’t realised the gross effect we are having on the oceans, we don’t appreciate what they do for us. We are locking ourselves into a future where a lot of the poorer people in the world will miss out.”
The scale of warming in the ocean, which covers around 70% of the planet, is “truly staggering”, the report states. The upper few metres of ocean have warmed by around 0.13C a decade since the start of the 20th century, with a 1-4C increase in global ocean warming by the end of this century. SourceOut of curiosity, is there anyone in this thread who either doesn't believe in global warming/climate change, or believes that humans are not (or barely) responsible? I'd assume so, we even have some 9/11 truthers around here
On September 06 2016 10:56 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2016 05:19 Sermokala wrote:
I'm surprised GH hasn't come in yet and given the easy answer of "black people"
But really Black people get screwed over the most over these trade deals. They came to La Detroit and Chicago for the manufacturing jobs and when they dried up in the 70's the communities collapsed economically because the programs were shit for them.
Then because of the lost of tax base we get the basis for the shitty situation in those towns. Not to mention the flat lineing of the value of labor in the country due to the opening of labor in other countries in the market. You don't have to make the argument against free trade deals complex if you don't want to. You introduce a low cost alternative to what you have now and people will go for the low cost alternative. I agree that Detroit and Chicago are an absolute mess but what about Pittsburgh? "The steel city" but fuckall steel is still made there.Reinvented itself and is high on Americas most desirable cities list.The problems with Detroit and Chicago go far beyond manufacturing jobs being automated or offshored, it's a culture thing. Anyway just seen the latest news clip of Clinton, the worst coughing fit yet.Something is seriously wrong with this woman.Will she be able to last through the debates without another long attack?
heck, we even have some clinton-is-actually-about-to-drop-dead-ers
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On September 06 2016 11:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Also Schlafly is dead, and not a damn was given.
A conservative icon and a wonderful human being, she will be missed. It is good that people like you are dancing on her grave, as a reminder of the fight we're in. The level of politics we've descended to began long before Trump.
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On September 06 2016 11:00 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2016 10:42 Dan HH wrote:On September 06 2016 10:08 kwizach wrote:Soaring ocean temperature is 'greatest hidden challenge of our generation
The soaring temperature of the oceans is the “greatest hidden challenge of our generation” that is altering the make-up of marine species, shrinking fishing areas and starting to spread disease to humans, according to the most comprehensive analysis yet of ocean warming.
The oceans have already sucked up an enormous amount of heat due to escalating greenhouse gas emissions, affecting marine species from microbes to whales, according to an International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) report involving the work of 80 scientists from a dozen countries.
The profound changes underway in the oceans are starting to impact people, the report states. “Due to a domino effect, key human sectors are at threat, especially fisheries, aquaculture, coastal risk management, health and coastal tourism.”
Dan Laffoley, IUCN marine adviser and one of the report’s lead authors, said: “What we are seeing now is running well ahead of what we can cope with. The overall outlook is pretty gloomy.
“We perhaps haven’t realised the gross effect we are having on the oceans, we don’t appreciate what they do for us. We are locking ourselves into a future where a lot of the poorer people in the world will miss out.”
The scale of warming in the ocean, which covers around 70% of the planet, is “truly staggering”, the report states. The upper few metres of ocean have warmed by around 0.13C a decade since the start of the 20th century, with a 1-4C increase in global ocean warming by the end of this century. SourceOut of curiosity, is there anyone in this thread who either doesn't believe in global warming/climate change, or believes that humans are not (or barely) responsible? I'd assume so, we even have some 9/11 truthers around here I'd be sincerely surprised to find truthers. Now myself, I disagree with the aspects of climate alarmism (couldn't resist) which predict catastrophic irreversible harm if huge international projects limiting carbon dioxide emissions are not taken in the next 20 years or whatever.
Do you believe that global warming/climate change is happening? And if so, do you believe that humans are responsible?
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On September 06 2016 11:49 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2016 11:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Also Schlafly is dead, and not a damn was given. A conservative icon and a wonderful human being, she will be missed. It is good that people like you are dancing on her grave, as a reminder of the fight we're in. The level of politics we've descended to began long before Trump.
So a hero in your eyes is someone who help defeat the Equal Rights Amendment?! Who also compared battered women of seeking free R&R... Who also said women belong in the house and kitchen.
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Like others before, sad for her family's loss, but glad she will no longer have influence over others lives.
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She was an ardent defender of marital rape. Satan simply called her home after a long lifetime of service.
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On September 06 2016 11:59 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2016 11:00 Danglars wrote:On September 06 2016 10:42 Dan HH wrote:On September 06 2016 10:08 kwizach wrote:Soaring ocean temperature is 'greatest hidden challenge of our generation
The soaring temperature of the oceans is the “greatest hidden challenge of our generation” that is altering the make-up of marine species, shrinking fishing areas and starting to spread disease to humans, according to the most comprehensive analysis yet of ocean warming.
The oceans have already sucked up an enormous amount of heat due to escalating greenhouse gas emissions, affecting marine species from microbes to whales, according to an International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) report involving the work of 80 scientists from a dozen countries.
The profound changes underway in the oceans are starting to impact people, the report states. “Due to a domino effect, key human sectors are at threat, especially fisheries, aquaculture, coastal risk management, health and coastal tourism.”
Dan Laffoley, IUCN marine adviser and one of the report’s lead authors, said: “What we are seeing now is running well ahead of what we can cope with. The overall outlook is pretty gloomy.
“We perhaps haven’t realised the gross effect we are having on the oceans, we don’t appreciate what they do for us. We are locking ourselves into a future where a lot of the poorer people in the world will miss out.”
The scale of warming in the ocean, which covers around 70% of the planet, is “truly staggering”, the report states. The upper few metres of ocean have warmed by around 0.13C a decade since the start of the 20th century, with a 1-4C increase in global ocean warming by the end of this century. SourceOut of curiosity, is there anyone in this thread who either doesn't believe in global warming/climate change, or believes that humans are not (or barely) responsible? I'd assume so, we even have some 9/11 truthers around here I'd be sincerely surprised to find truthers. Now myself, I disagree with the aspects of climate alarmism (couldn't resist) which predict catastrophic irreversible harm if huge international projects limiting carbon dioxide emissions are not taken in the next 20 years or whatever. Do you believe that global warming/climate change is happening? And if so, do you believe that humans are responsible?
Climates always change, mostly without primary cause human involvement. I'd be a noob to say climate is static.
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On September 06 2016 12:24 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2016 11:59 kwizach wrote:On September 06 2016 11:00 Danglars wrote:On September 06 2016 10:42 Dan HH wrote:On September 06 2016 10:08 kwizach wrote:Soaring ocean temperature is 'greatest hidden challenge of our generation
The soaring temperature of the oceans is the “greatest hidden challenge of our generation” that is altering the make-up of marine species, shrinking fishing areas and starting to spread disease to humans, according to the most comprehensive analysis yet of ocean warming.
The oceans have already sucked up an enormous amount of heat due to escalating greenhouse gas emissions, affecting marine species from microbes to whales, according to an International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) report involving the work of 80 scientists from a dozen countries.
The profound changes underway in the oceans are starting to impact people, the report states. “Due to a domino effect, key human sectors are at threat, especially fisheries, aquaculture, coastal risk management, health and coastal tourism.”
Dan Laffoley, IUCN marine adviser and one of the report’s lead authors, said: “What we are seeing now is running well ahead of what we can cope with. The overall outlook is pretty gloomy.
“We perhaps haven’t realised the gross effect we are having on the oceans, we don’t appreciate what they do for us. We are locking ourselves into a future where a lot of the poorer people in the world will miss out.”
The scale of warming in the ocean, which covers around 70% of the planet, is “truly staggering”, the report states. The upper few metres of ocean have warmed by around 0.13C a decade since the start of the 20th century, with a 1-4C increase in global ocean warming by the end of this century. SourceOut of curiosity, is there anyone in this thread who either doesn't believe in global warming/climate change, or believes that humans are not (or barely) responsible? I'd assume so, we even have some 9/11 truthers around here I'd be sincerely surprised to find truthers. Now myself, I disagree with the aspects of climate alarmism (couldn't resist) which predict catastrophic irreversible harm if huge international projects limiting carbon dioxide emissions are not taken in the next 20 years or whatever. Do you believe that global warming/climate change is happening? And if so, do you believe that humans are responsible? Climates always change, mostly without primary cause human involvement. I'd be a noob to say climate is static.
So just to be clear, you do not think that the climate is changing (in any meaningful way) differently than it already was changing prior to the industrial revolution? And you therefore do not believe that mankind has a substantial impact on the way the climate is changing?
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On September 06 2016 12:02 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2016 11:49 Danglars wrote:On September 06 2016 11:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Also Schlafly is dead, and not a damn was given. A conservative icon and a wonderful human being, she will be missed. It is good that people like you are dancing on her grave, as a reminder of the fight we're in. The level of politics we've descended to began long before Trump. So a hero in your eyes is someone who help defeat the Equal Rights Amendment?! Who also compared battered women of seeking free R&R... Who also said women belong in the house and kitchen.
A hero for a number of reasons including her successful campaign against the ERA. Effective political action and great articles. America's lost a good one and all the right people "don't give a damn." Particularly the low, very low ones.
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On September 06 2016 12:33 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2016 12:24 Danglars wrote:On September 06 2016 11:59 kwizach wrote:On September 06 2016 11:00 Danglars wrote:On September 06 2016 10:42 Dan HH wrote:On September 06 2016 10:08 kwizach wrote:Soaring ocean temperature is 'greatest hidden challenge of our generation
The soaring temperature of the oceans is the “greatest hidden challenge of our generation” that is altering the make-up of marine species, shrinking fishing areas and starting to spread disease to humans, according to the most comprehensive analysis yet of ocean warming.
The oceans have already sucked up an enormous amount of heat due to escalating greenhouse gas emissions, affecting marine species from microbes to whales, according to an International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) report involving the work of 80 scientists from a dozen countries.
The profound changes underway in the oceans are starting to impact people, the report states. “Due to a domino effect, key human sectors are at threat, especially fisheries, aquaculture, coastal risk management, health and coastal tourism.”
Dan Laffoley, IUCN marine adviser and one of the report’s lead authors, said: “What we are seeing now is running well ahead of what we can cope with. The overall outlook is pretty gloomy.
“We perhaps haven’t realised the gross effect we are having on the oceans, we don’t appreciate what they do for us. We are locking ourselves into a future where a lot of the poorer people in the world will miss out.”
The scale of warming in the ocean, which covers around 70% of the planet, is “truly staggering”, the report states. The upper few metres of ocean have warmed by around 0.13C a decade since the start of the 20th century, with a 1-4C increase in global ocean warming by the end of this century. SourceOut of curiosity, is there anyone in this thread who either doesn't believe in global warming/climate change, or believes that humans are not (or barely) responsible? I'd assume so, we even have some 9/11 truthers around here I'd be sincerely surprised to find truthers. Now myself, I disagree with the aspects of climate alarmism (couldn't resist) which predict catastrophic irreversible harm if huge international projects limiting carbon dioxide emissions are not taken in the next 20 years or whatever. Do you believe that global warming/climate change is happening? And if so, do you believe that humans are responsible? Climates always change, mostly without primary cause human involvement. I'd be a noob to say climate is static. So just to be clear, you do not think that the climate is changing (in any meaningful way) differently than it already was changing prior to the industrial revolution? And you therefore do not believe that mankind has a substantial impact on the way the climate is changing? I very much think how climates change now are quite different than other prior pre-industrial revolution periods like the ice age, the little ice age, and the medieval warm period. Mankind had as much involvement then as now.
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On September 06 2016 12:55 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2016 12:33 kwizach wrote:On September 06 2016 12:24 Danglars wrote:On September 06 2016 11:59 kwizach wrote:On September 06 2016 11:00 Danglars wrote:On September 06 2016 10:42 Dan HH wrote:On September 06 2016 10:08 kwizach wrote:Soaring ocean temperature is 'greatest hidden challenge of our generation
The soaring temperature of the oceans is the “greatest hidden challenge of our generation” that is altering the make-up of marine species, shrinking fishing areas and starting to spread disease to humans, according to the most comprehensive analysis yet of ocean warming.
The oceans have already sucked up an enormous amount of heat due to escalating greenhouse gas emissions, affecting marine species from microbes to whales, according to an International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) report involving the work of 80 scientists from a dozen countries.
The profound changes underway in the oceans are starting to impact people, the report states. “Due to a domino effect, key human sectors are at threat, especially fisheries, aquaculture, coastal risk management, health and coastal tourism.”
Dan Laffoley, IUCN marine adviser and one of the report’s lead authors, said: “What we are seeing now is running well ahead of what we can cope with. The overall outlook is pretty gloomy.
“We perhaps haven’t realised the gross effect we are having on the oceans, we don’t appreciate what they do for us. We are locking ourselves into a future where a lot of the poorer people in the world will miss out.”
The scale of warming in the ocean, which covers around 70% of the planet, is “truly staggering”, the report states. The upper few metres of ocean have warmed by around 0.13C a decade since the start of the 20th century, with a 1-4C increase in global ocean warming by the end of this century. SourceOut of curiosity, is there anyone in this thread who either doesn't believe in global warming/climate change, or believes that humans are not (or barely) responsible? I'd assume so, we even have some 9/11 truthers around here I'd be sincerely surprised to find truthers. Now myself, I disagree with the aspects of climate alarmism (couldn't resist) which predict catastrophic irreversible harm if huge international projects limiting carbon dioxide emissions are not taken in the next 20 years or whatever. Do you believe that global warming/climate change is happening? And if so, do you believe that humans are responsible? Climates always change, mostly without primary cause human involvement. I'd be a noob to say climate is static. So just to be clear, you do not think that the climate is changing (in any meaningful way) differently than it already was changing prior to the industrial revolution? And you therefore do not believe that mankind has a substantial impact on the way the climate is changing? I very much think how climates change now are quite different than other prior pre-industrial revolution periods like the ice age, the little ice age, and the medieval warm period. Mankind had as much involvement then as now.
Does it bother you to have come to a different conclusion than the vast majority of people qualified to have an opinion on the subject, a group which you are not a part of.
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On September 06 2016 12:57 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2016 12:55 Danglars wrote:On September 06 2016 12:33 kwizach wrote:On September 06 2016 12:24 Danglars wrote:On September 06 2016 11:59 kwizach wrote:On September 06 2016 11:00 Danglars wrote:On September 06 2016 10:42 Dan HH wrote:On September 06 2016 10:08 kwizach wrote:Soaring ocean temperature is 'greatest hidden challenge of our generation
The soaring temperature of the oceans is the “greatest hidden challenge of our generation” that is altering the make-up of marine species, shrinking fishing areas and starting to spread disease to humans, according to the most comprehensive analysis yet of ocean warming.
The oceans have already sucked up an enormous amount of heat due to escalating greenhouse gas emissions, affecting marine species from microbes to whales, according to an International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) report involving the work of 80 scientists from a dozen countries.
The profound changes underway in the oceans are starting to impact people, the report states. “Due to a domino effect, key human sectors are at threat, especially fisheries, aquaculture, coastal risk management, health and coastal tourism.”
Dan Laffoley, IUCN marine adviser and one of the report’s lead authors, said: “What we are seeing now is running well ahead of what we can cope with. The overall outlook is pretty gloomy.
“We perhaps haven’t realised the gross effect we are having on the oceans, we don’t appreciate what they do for us. We are locking ourselves into a future where a lot of the poorer people in the world will miss out.”
The scale of warming in the ocean, which covers around 70% of the planet, is “truly staggering”, the report states. The upper few metres of ocean have warmed by around 0.13C a decade since the start of the 20th century, with a 1-4C increase in global ocean warming by the end of this century. SourceOut of curiosity, is there anyone in this thread who either doesn't believe in global warming/climate change, or believes that humans are not (or barely) responsible? I'd assume so, we even have some 9/11 truthers around here I'd be sincerely surprised to find truthers. Now myself, I disagree with the aspects of climate alarmism (couldn't resist) which predict catastrophic irreversible harm if huge international projects limiting carbon dioxide emissions are not taken in the next 20 years or whatever. Do you believe that global warming/climate change is happening? And if so, do you believe that humans are responsible? Climates always change, mostly without primary cause human involvement. I'd be a noob to say climate is static. So just to be clear, you do not think that the climate is changing (in any meaningful way) differently than it already was changing prior to the industrial revolution? And you therefore do not believe that mankind has a substantial impact on the way the climate is changing? I very much think how climates change now are quite different than other prior pre-industrial revolution periods like the ice age, the little ice age, and the medieval warm period. Mankind had as much involvement then as now. Does it bother you to have come to a different conclusion than the vast majority of people qualified to have an opinion on the subject, a group which you are not a part of.
I really haven't heard many scientists say we're heading into an ice age, to be honest.
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On September 06 2016 13:19 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2016 12:57 KwarK wrote:On September 06 2016 12:55 Danglars wrote:On September 06 2016 12:33 kwizach wrote:On September 06 2016 12:24 Danglars wrote:On September 06 2016 11:59 kwizach wrote:On September 06 2016 11:00 Danglars wrote:On September 06 2016 10:42 Dan HH wrote:On September 06 2016 10:08 kwizach wrote:Soaring ocean temperature is 'greatest hidden challenge of our generation
The soaring temperature of the oceans is the “greatest hidden challenge of our generation” that is altering the make-up of marine species, shrinking fishing areas and starting to spread disease to humans, according to the most comprehensive analysis yet of ocean warming.
The oceans have already sucked up an enormous amount of heat due to escalating greenhouse gas emissions, affecting marine species from microbes to whales, according to an International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) report involving the work of 80 scientists from a dozen countries.
The profound changes underway in the oceans are starting to impact people, the report states. “Due to a domino effect, key human sectors are at threat, especially fisheries, aquaculture, coastal risk management, health and coastal tourism.”
Dan Laffoley, IUCN marine adviser and one of the report’s lead authors, said: “What we are seeing now is running well ahead of what we can cope with. The overall outlook is pretty gloomy.
“We perhaps haven’t realised the gross effect we are having on the oceans, we don’t appreciate what they do for us. We are locking ourselves into a future where a lot of the poorer people in the world will miss out.”
The scale of warming in the ocean, which covers around 70% of the planet, is “truly staggering”, the report states. The upper few metres of ocean have warmed by around 0.13C a decade since the start of the 20th century, with a 1-4C increase in global ocean warming by the end of this century. SourceOut of curiosity, is there anyone in this thread who either doesn't believe in global warming/climate change, or believes that humans are not (or barely) responsible? I'd assume so, we even have some 9/11 truthers around here I'd be sincerely surprised to find truthers. Now myself, I disagree with the aspects of climate alarmism (couldn't resist) which predict catastrophic irreversible harm if huge international projects limiting carbon dioxide emissions are not taken in the next 20 years or whatever. Do you believe that global warming/climate change is happening? And if so, do you believe that humans are responsible? Climates always change, mostly without primary cause human involvement. I'd be a noob to say climate is static. So just to be clear, you do not think that the climate is changing (in any meaningful way) differently than it already was changing prior to the industrial revolution? And you therefore do not believe that mankind has a substantial impact on the way the climate is changing? I very much think how climates change now are quite different than other prior pre-industrial revolution periods like the ice age, the little ice age, and the medieval warm period. Mankind had as much involvement then as now. Does it bother you to have come to a different conclusion than the vast majority of people qualified to have an opinion on the subject, a group which you are not a part of. I really haven't heard many scientists say we're heading into an ice age, to be honest.
But you just said that you believe that mankind has no (well, same as it did in pre-industrial times) involvement in the change of climate now. That's not about ice ages, that's saying that mankind hasn't had an impact on the climate, a conclusion that is in conflict with that of the climate scientists.
Are you changing your argument from no manmade climate change to no ice ages?
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Are there any other nations at all that actively debate climate science in the political realm?
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On September 06 2016 13:29 PassiveAce wrote:
Are there any other nations at all that actively debate climate science in the political realm?
UK doesn't, we're in the "it's real, what's the least we can do to make the hippies shut up about it" camp in England and the Scots are all about going 100% clean energy because they're a bunch of dirty liberals.
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On September 06 2016 13:29 PassiveAce wrote:
Are there any other nations at all that actively debate climate science in the political realm?
<raises hand sheepishly from australia>
If I recall correctly, the opinion of our previous prime minister on the topic of manmade climate change is "it's crap".
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On September 06 2016 13:29 PassiveAce wrote:
Are there any other nations at all that actively debate climate science in the political realm?
Not really no.
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Nope, just the fight between "the industry/market will handle it on its own" and "we need strong laws/state funded research and incentives too reach our goals".
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On September 06 2016 13:29 PassiveAce wrote:
Are there any other nations at all that actively debate climate science in the political realm?
Pretty sure that even if there are, they didn't take snowballs into the local equivalent of the Senate to prove that climate change was false...
I understand that we can have a debate about whether we should do anything in response to anthropogenic climate change, but the mind boggles that anyone is still capable of saying it is not happening.
Fuck, I just got back from a trip around South America, and the glaciers in the tropical Andes are a sad, and very very obvious testament to the changing climate. The only plausible explanation anyone has for such a rapid change, is all the greenhouse gases us humans belch into the air.
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