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On September 03 2016 05:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:
So are these new FBI documents another tempest in a teapot or is everyone frothing at mouth about it legit or is it somewhere in between?
An unknown individual using the encrypted privacy tool Tor to hide their tracks accessed an email account on a Clinton family server, the FBI revealed Friday.
The incident appears to be the first confirmed intrusion into a piece of hardware associated with Hillary Clinton’s private email system
The new report also revealed that one of Clinton’s IT aides enabled Remote Desktop Protocol on the server, despite known vulnerabilities in the protocol. FBI investigators also could not determine if the widely recommended security protocol TLS was ever enabled.
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This is one of my personal favorites
10. Clinton told the FBI that she was unaware that the "C" marking on emailed documents meant they were confidential.
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I mean I accept that Hillary is still probably the "lesser evil", but I can't believe how many Dems are just swallowing this nonsense whole.
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On September 03 2016 05:13 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 04:53 zlefin wrote:
biology -> I'd answer your poll question; but I can't read anything inside spoilers, and I'm not sure thing setup as actual polls work either; ever since I had to disable a bunch of stuff to get tl to not crash my browser. So I'm not quite sure what your question is. my q was if you could replace hrc with any currently available democrat for office, would you? (no repeat obama)
I'd be tempted to give Jon Stewart a try;
otherwise, I might, not sure. No name comes to mind as a definite preference; but with some 50-ish senators, 20 governors, and a whole bunch of representatives; I might well find a few if I looked through them all.
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On September 03 2016 05:30 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 05:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:
So are these new FBI documents another tempest in a teapot or is everyone frothing at mouth about it legit or is it somewhere in between? Show nested quote +An unknown individual using the encrypted privacy tool Tor to hide their tracks accessed an email account on a Clinton family server, the FBI revealed Friday.
The incident appears to be the first confirmed intrusion into a piece of hardware associated with Hillary Clinton’s private email system
The new report also revealed that one of Clinton’s IT aides enabled Remote Desktop Protocol on the server, despite known vulnerabilities in the protocol. FBI investigators also could not determine if the widely recommended security protocol TLS was ever enabled. SourceThis is one of my personal favorites Show nested quote +10. Clinton told the FBI that she was unaware that the "C" marking on emailed documents meant they were confidential. sourcehttps://twitter.com/TheFix/status/771770100701626368I mean I accept that Hillary is still probably the "lesser evil", but I can't believe how many Dems are just swallowing this nonsense whole.
"probably"? You're a complete mess at this point.
We have 2 options. She's significantly better than Trump. That's where it ends.
EDIT: WRT the discussion of fantasy Clinton alternatives: brian sandoval. I would take him over anyone running right now. He is the GOP's best shot at Clinton having a single term presidency.
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On September 03 2016 05:37 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 05:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 03 2016 05:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:
So are these new FBI documents another tempest in a teapot or is everyone frothing at mouth about it legit or is it somewhere in between? An unknown individual using the encrypted privacy tool Tor to hide their tracks accessed an email account on a Clinton family server, the FBI revealed Friday.
The incident appears to be the first confirmed intrusion into a piece of hardware associated with Hillary Clinton’s private email system
The new report also revealed that one of Clinton’s IT aides enabled Remote Desktop Protocol on the server, despite known vulnerabilities in the protocol. FBI investigators also could not determine if the widely recommended security protocol TLS was ever enabled. SourceThis is one of my personal favorites 10. Clinton told the FBI that she was unaware that the "C" marking on emailed documents meant they were confidential. sourcehttps://twitter.com/TheFix/status/771770100701626368I mean I accept that Hillary is still probably the "lesser evil", but I can't believe how many Dems are just swallowing this nonsense whole. "probably"? You're a complete mess at this point. We have 2 options. She's significantly better than Trump. That's where it ends.
with this type of thinking you will swallow anything, but glad you solved the election.
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On September 03 2016 05:39 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 05:37 Mohdoo wrote:On September 03 2016 05:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 03 2016 05:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:
So are these new FBI documents another tempest in a teapot or is everyone frothing at mouth about it legit or is it somewhere in between? An unknown individual using the encrypted privacy tool Tor to hide their tracks accessed an email account on a Clinton family server, the FBI revealed Friday.
The incident appears to be the first confirmed intrusion into a piece of hardware associated with Hillary Clinton’s private email system
The new report also revealed that one of Clinton’s IT aides enabled Remote Desktop Protocol on the server, despite known vulnerabilities in the protocol. FBI investigators also could not determine if the widely recommended security protocol TLS was ever enabled. SourceThis is one of my personal favorites 10. Clinton told the FBI that she was unaware that the "C" marking on emailed documents meant they were confidential. sourcehttps://twitter.com/TheFix/status/771770100701626368I mean I accept that Hillary is still probably the "lesser evil", but I can't believe how many Dems are just swallowing this nonsense whole. "probably"? You're a complete mess at this point. We have 2 options. She's significantly better than Trump. That's where it ends. with this type of thinking you will swallow anything, but glad you solved the election.
No, it's that I'm not letting bullshit conspiracy thinking let me assume deleting emails means she is funding terrorism and planning 9/11. Until I see something truly damning and wrong, it's all irrelevant. Deleting shit is not reason to give a complete lunatic the presidency. He didn't even want to be president. We've been over what he offered Kasich. He's not remotely fit to be president and he even knows it.
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On September 03 2016 05:23 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 05:21 Plansix wrote:On September 03 2016 05:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:
So are these new FBI documents another tempest in a teapot or is everyone frothing at mouth about it legit or is it somewhere in between? They are nothing, IMO. I think the report hurts any argument against Clinton because they are so concise about how few emails contained sensitive information and how few of the emails were marked. And that she received almost all of classified information via physical documents. Citing that report doesn’t help make the case because it breaks down how little was found. It doesnt matter though. Now its out. And Trump can lie about it.
I dunno, he could already lie about it before. If these really aren't that damning-and given the bits I've seen people picking at and pointing out they don't seem that damning compared to "what might have been"-they don't seem to present him any new angles of attack.
(that so many people are targeting the memory angle or the "she had a concussion/blood clot angle" is the main reason I'm not sure how "yuuuge" they are)
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On September 03 2016 05:45 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 05:23 Rebs wrote:On September 03 2016 05:21 Plansix wrote:On September 03 2016 05:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:
So are these new FBI documents another tempest in a teapot or is everyone frothing at mouth about it legit or is it somewhere in between? They are nothing, IMO. I think the report hurts any argument against Clinton because they are so concise about how few emails contained sensitive information and how few of the emails were marked. And that she received almost all of classified information via physical documents. Citing that report doesn’t help make the case because it breaks down how little was found. It doesnt matter though. Now its out. And Trump can lie about it. I dunno, he could already lie about it before. If these really aren't that damning-and given the bits I've seen people picking at and pointing out they don't seem that damning compared to "what might have been"-they don't seem to present him any new angles of attack.
The documents show that there are all SORTS of conspiracy theories that are technically still possible. The leaks do not conclusively disprove anything wrong ever happening. And that's enough for some people.
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On September 03 2016 05:30 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 05:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:
So are these new FBI documents another tempest in a teapot or is everyone frothing at mouth about it legit or is it somewhere in between? Show nested quote +An unknown individual using the encrypted privacy tool Tor to hide their tracks accessed an email account on a Clinton family server, the FBI revealed Friday.
The incident appears to be the first confirmed intrusion into a piece of hardware associated with Hillary Clinton’s private email system
The new report also revealed that one of Clinton’s IT aides enabled Remote Desktop Protocol on the server, despite known vulnerabilities in the protocol. FBI investigators also could not determine if the widely recommended security protocol TLS was ever enabled. SourceThis is one of my personal favorites Show nested quote +10. Clinton told the FBI that she was unaware that the "C" marking on emailed documents meant they were confidential. sourceI mean I accept that Hillary is still probably the "lesser evil", but I can't believe how many Dems are just swallowing this nonsense whole.
Make the case why what she did was so bad. So she missed some (C) marks. So what? What bad happened? How big of a rule break was this? Was it enough to justify prosecution (note that Comey/FBI/DOJ all disagree with you)?
EDIT: even if you can show inconsistencies in answers about email and server arrangements ... so what? These are IT details. You need to make the case why this is so disastrously bad on its own. Someone can be a perfectly fine President and also not be able to keep the details of various servers and devices together. This is what IT departments are for.
EDIT2: let's assume you can show the email arrangement was bad and that HRC is a bad email server manager. Have you considered that there could be more important issues in this election than email server management? Like say ... defeating White Nationalism? The Supreme Court? Confronting Russian intervention in our Democracy? Taxes? Labor Law? The Environment? Our relationship with critical Eastern European allies?
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On September 03 2016 05:49 CannonsNCarriers wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 05:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 03 2016 05:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:
So are these new FBI documents another tempest in a teapot or is everyone frothing at mouth about it legit or is it somewhere in between? An unknown individual using the encrypted privacy tool Tor to hide their tracks accessed an email account on a Clinton family server, the FBI revealed Friday.
The incident appears to be the first confirmed intrusion into a piece of hardware associated with Hillary Clinton’s private email system
The new report also revealed that one of Clinton’s IT aides enabled Remote Desktop Protocol on the server, despite known vulnerabilities in the protocol. FBI investigators also could not determine if the widely recommended security protocol TLS was ever enabled. SourceThis is one of my personal favorites 10. Clinton told the FBI that she was unaware that the "C" marking on emailed documents meant they were confidential. sourceI mean I accept that Hillary is still probably the "lesser evil", but I can't believe how many Dems are just swallowing this nonsense whole. Make the case why what she did was so bad. So she missed some (C) marks. So what? What bad happened? How big of a rule break was this? Was it enough to justify prosecution (note that Comey/FBI/DOJ all disagree with you)?
She lied. She knew the documents were classified, but what to keep top secret documents on these server because she hates America. She also wanted to do shady dealings by having a bunch of government workers set up a server that wouldn’t be backed up in the most public way possible. And then after that setting up this secret server that literally everyone knew about, she did corrupt things on the server and deleted the emails afterwards.
So, the worst master plan to do corrupt things ever. All of that could have been handled by having a separate email account on a private Iphone.
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On September 03 2016 05:49 CannonsNCarriers wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 05:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 03 2016 05:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:
So are these new FBI documents another tempest in a teapot or is everyone frothing at mouth about it legit or is it somewhere in between? An unknown individual using the encrypted privacy tool Tor to hide their tracks accessed an email account on a Clinton family server, the FBI revealed Friday.
The incident appears to be the first confirmed intrusion into a piece of hardware associated with Hillary Clinton’s private email system
The new report also revealed that one of Clinton’s IT aides enabled Remote Desktop Protocol on the server, despite known vulnerabilities in the protocol. FBI investigators also could not determine if the widely recommended security protocol TLS was ever enabled. SourceThis is one of my personal favorites 10. Clinton told the FBI that she was unaware that the "C" marking on emailed documents meant they were confidential. sourceI mean I accept that Hillary is still probably the "lesser evil", but I can't believe how many Dems are just swallowing this nonsense whole. Make the case why what she did was so bad. So she missed some (C) marks. So what? What bad happened? How big of a rule break was this? Was it enough to justify prosecution (note that Comey/FBI/DOJ all disagree with you)? EDIT: even if you can show inconsistencies in answers about email and server arrangements ... so what? These are IT details. You need to make the case why this is so disastrously bad on its own. Someone can be a perfectly fine President and also not be able to keep the details of various servers and devices together. This is what IT departments are for. EDIT2: let's assume you can show the email arrangement was bad and that HRC is a bad email server manager. Have you considered that there could be more important issues in this election than email server management? Like say ... defeating White Nationalism? The Supreme Court? Confronting Russian intervention in our Democracy? Taxes? Labor Law? The Environment? Our relationship with critical Eastern European allies?
To me it is at least evidence that once more there will be a technology unaware person in charge of things, and worse still someone who surrounds herself with people who (allow her to) make these obvious mistakes. Mind you, I would still vote for her over Trump, because... well... I mean, I don't think I need to say anything there. But I still find it disappointing.
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On September 03 2016 05:55 a_flayer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 05:49 CannonsNCarriers wrote:On September 03 2016 05:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 03 2016 05:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:
So are these new FBI documents another tempest in a teapot or is everyone frothing at mouth about it legit or is it somewhere in between? An unknown individual using the encrypted privacy tool Tor to hide their tracks accessed an email account on a Clinton family server, the FBI revealed Friday.
The incident appears to be the first confirmed intrusion into a piece of hardware associated with Hillary Clinton’s private email system
The new report also revealed that one of Clinton’s IT aides enabled Remote Desktop Protocol on the server, despite known vulnerabilities in the protocol. FBI investigators also could not determine if the widely recommended security protocol TLS was ever enabled. SourceThis is one of my personal favorites 10. Clinton told the FBI that she was unaware that the "C" marking on emailed documents meant they were confidential. sourceI mean I accept that Hillary is still probably the "lesser evil", but I can't believe how many Dems are just swallowing this nonsense whole. Make the case why what she did was so bad. So she missed some (C) marks. So what? What bad happened? How big of a rule break was this? Was it enough to justify prosecution (note that Comey/FBI/DOJ all disagree with you)? EDIT: even if you can show inconsistencies in answers about email and server arrangements ... so what? These are IT details. You need to make the case why this is so disastrously bad on its own. Someone can be a perfectly fine President and also not be able to keep the details of various servers and devices together. This is what IT departments are for. EDIT2: let's assume you can show the email arrangement was bad and that HRC is a bad email server manager. Have you considered that there could be more important issues in this election than email server management? Like say ... defeating White Nationalism? The Supreme Court? Confronting Russian intervention in our Democracy? Taxes? Labor Law? The Environment? Our relationship with critical Eastern European allies? To me it is at least evidence that once more there will be a technology unaware person in charge of things, and worse still someone who surrounds herself with people who make these obvious mistakes.
The problem with that argument is that the people who set up the server were state department employees, which has had a long history of poorly secured digital information.
If congress had dug into this deeper, rather than just focusing on Clinton, they would have found out that most government agencies have terrible computer procedures. The press has been reporting this for years. The state department is no exception.
I'm not saying she did everything correctly or is perfect. But this problem isn't isolated just to her. I would be money the senate security committee members have practices that are just as bad.
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On September 03 2016 06:00 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 05:55 a_flayer wrote:On September 03 2016 05:49 CannonsNCarriers wrote:On September 03 2016 05:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 03 2016 05:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:
So are these new FBI documents another tempest in a teapot or is everyone frothing at mouth about it legit or is it somewhere in between? An unknown individual using the encrypted privacy tool Tor to hide their tracks accessed an email account on a Clinton family server, the FBI revealed Friday.
The incident appears to be the first confirmed intrusion into a piece of hardware associated with Hillary Clinton’s private email system
The new report also revealed that one of Clinton’s IT aides enabled Remote Desktop Protocol on the server, despite known vulnerabilities in the protocol. FBI investigators also could not determine if the widely recommended security protocol TLS was ever enabled. SourceThis is one of my personal favorites 10. Clinton told the FBI that she was unaware that the "C" marking on emailed documents meant they were confidential. sourceI mean I accept that Hillary is still probably the "lesser evil", but I can't believe how many Dems are just swallowing this nonsense whole. Make the case why what she did was so bad. So she missed some (C) marks. So what? What bad happened? How big of a rule break was this? Was it enough to justify prosecution (note that Comey/FBI/DOJ all disagree with you)? EDIT: even if you can show inconsistencies in answers about email and server arrangements ... so what? These are IT details. You need to make the case why this is so disastrously bad on its own. Someone can be a perfectly fine President and also not be able to keep the details of various servers and devices together. This is what IT departments are for. EDIT2: let's assume you can show the email arrangement was bad and that HRC is a bad email server manager. Have you considered that there could be more important issues in this election than email server management? Like say ... defeating White Nationalism? The Supreme Court? Confronting Russian intervention in our Democracy? Taxes? Labor Law? The Environment? Our relationship with critical Eastern European allies? To me it is at least evidence that once more there will be a technology unaware person in charge of things, and worse still someone who surrounds herself with people who make these obvious mistakes. The problem with that argument is that the people who set up the server were state department employees, which has had a long history of poorly secured digital information. If congress had dug into this deeper, rather than just focusing on Clinton, they would have found out that most government agencies have terrible computer procedures. The press has been reporting this for years. The state department is no exception.
How about her deleted emails? What's your defense for that
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On September 03 2016 06:01 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 06:00 Plansix wrote:On September 03 2016 05:55 a_flayer wrote:On September 03 2016 05:49 CannonsNCarriers wrote:On September 03 2016 05:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 03 2016 05:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:
So are these new FBI documents another tempest in a teapot or is everyone frothing at mouth about it legit or is it somewhere in between? An unknown individual using the encrypted privacy tool Tor to hide their tracks accessed an email account on a Clinton family server, the FBI revealed Friday.
The incident appears to be the first confirmed intrusion into a piece of hardware associated with Hillary Clinton’s private email system
The new report also revealed that one of Clinton’s IT aides enabled Remote Desktop Protocol on the server, despite known vulnerabilities in the protocol. FBI investigators also could not determine if the widely recommended security protocol TLS was ever enabled. SourceThis is one of my personal favorites 10. Clinton told the FBI that she was unaware that the "C" marking on emailed documents meant they were confidential. sourceI mean I accept that Hillary is still probably the "lesser evil", but I can't believe how many Dems are just swallowing this nonsense whole. Make the case why what she did was so bad. So she missed some (C) marks. So what? What bad happened? How big of a rule break was this? Was it enough to justify prosecution (note that Comey/FBI/DOJ all disagree with you)? EDIT: even if you can show inconsistencies in answers about email and server arrangements ... so what? These are IT details. You need to make the case why this is so disastrously bad on its own. Someone can be a perfectly fine President and also not be able to keep the details of various servers and devices together. This is what IT departments are for. EDIT2: let's assume you can show the email arrangement was bad and that HRC is a bad email server manager. Have you considered that there could be more important issues in this election than email server management? Like say ... defeating White Nationalism? The Supreme Court? Confronting Russian intervention in our Democracy? Taxes? Labor Law? The Environment? Our relationship with critical Eastern European allies? To me it is at least evidence that once more there will be a technology unaware person in charge of things, and worse still someone who surrounds herself with people who make these obvious mistakes. The problem with that argument is that the people who set up the server were state department employees, which has had a long history of poorly secured digital information. If congress had dug into this deeper, rather than just focusing on Clinton, they would have found out that most government agencies have terrible computer procedures. The press has been reporting this for years. The state department is no exception. How about her deleted emails? What's your defense for that
Do you use email in your job? I deleted 100+ emails today alone, maybe more.
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On September 03 2016 06:01 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 06:00 Plansix wrote:On September 03 2016 05:55 a_flayer wrote:On September 03 2016 05:49 CannonsNCarriers wrote:On September 03 2016 05:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 03 2016 05:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:
So are these new FBI documents another tempest in a teapot or is everyone frothing at mouth about it legit or is it somewhere in between? An unknown individual using the encrypted privacy tool Tor to hide their tracks accessed an email account on a Clinton family server, the FBI revealed Friday.
The incident appears to be the first confirmed intrusion into a piece of hardware associated with Hillary Clinton’s private email system
The new report also revealed that one of Clinton’s IT aides enabled Remote Desktop Protocol on the server, despite known vulnerabilities in the protocol. FBI investigators also could not determine if the widely recommended security protocol TLS was ever enabled. SourceThis is one of my personal favorites 10. Clinton told the FBI that she was unaware that the "C" marking on emailed documents meant they were confidential. sourceI mean I accept that Hillary is still probably the "lesser evil", but I can't believe how many Dems are just swallowing this nonsense whole. Make the case why what she did was so bad. So she missed some (C) marks. So what? What bad happened? How big of a rule break was this? Was it enough to justify prosecution (note that Comey/FBI/DOJ all disagree with you)? EDIT: even if you can show inconsistencies in answers about email and server arrangements ... so what? These are IT details. You need to make the case why this is so disastrously bad on its own. Someone can be a perfectly fine President and also not be able to keep the details of various servers and devices together. This is what IT departments are for. EDIT2: let's assume you can show the email arrangement was bad and that HRC is a bad email server manager. Have you considered that there could be more important issues in this election than email server management? Like say ... defeating White Nationalism? The Supreme Court? Confronting Russian intervention in our Democracy? Taxes? Labor Law? The Environment? Our relationship with critical Eastern European allies? To me it is at least evidence that once more there will be a technology unaware person in charge of things, and worse still someone who surrounds herself with people who make these obvious mistakes. The problem with that argument is that the people who set up the server were state department employees, which has had a long history of poorly secured digital information. If congress had dug into this deeper, rather than just focusing on Clinton, they would have found out that most government agencies have terrible computer procedures. The press has been reporting this for years. The state department is no exception. How about her deleted emails? What's your defense for that
My defense is "so what". Lots of emails gets deleted.
What's your offense? Name me the crime she can be charged with here. Bear in mind that previous administrations had lots of deleted emails. Then you need to explain why Comey/FBI/DOJ are wrong in electing not to bring the charges for email deletion.
EDIT: if your response is "optics", then my counter will be: more important issues this election than optics.
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On September 03 2016 06:02 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 06:01 biology]major wrote:On September 03 2016 06:00 Plansix wrote:On September 03 2016 05:55 a_flayer wrote:On September 03 2016 05:49 CannonsNCarriers wrote:On September 03 2016 05:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 03 2016 05:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:
So are these new FBI documents another tempest in a teapot or is everyone frothing at mouth about it legit or is it somewhere in between? An unknown individual using the encrypted privacy tool Tor to hide their tracks accessed an email account on a Clinton family server, the FBI revealed Friday.
The incident appears to be the first confirmed intrusion into a piece of hardware associated with Hillary Clinton’s private email system
The new report also revealed that one of Clinton’s IT aides enabled Remote Desktop Protocol on the server, despite known vulnerabilities in the protocol. FBI investigators also could not determine if the widely recommended security protocol TLS was ever enabled. SourceThis is one of my personal favorites 10. Clinton told the FBI that she was unaware that the "C" marking on emailed documents meant they were confidential. sourceI mean I accept that Hillary is still probably the "lesser evil", but I can't believe how many Dems are just swallowing this nonsense whole. Make the case why what she did was so bad. So she missed some (C) marks. So what? What bad happened? How big of a rule break was this? Was it enough to justify prosecution (note that Comey/FBI/DOJ all disagree with you)? EDIT: even if you can show inconsistencies in answers about email and server arrangements ... so what? These are IT details. You need to make the case why this is so disastrously bad on its own. Someone can be a perfectly fine President and also not be able to keep the details of various servers and devices together. This is what IT departments are for. EDIT2: let's assume you can show the email arrangement was bad and that HRC is a bad email server manager. Have you considered that there could be more important issues in this election than email server management? Like say ... defeating White Nationalism? The Supreme Court? Confronting Russian intervention in our Democracy? Taxes? Labor Law? The Environment? Our relationship with critical Eastern European allies? To me it is at least evidence that once more there will be a technology unaware person in charge of things, and worse still someone who surrounds herself with people who make these obvious mistakes. The problem with that argument is that the people who set up the server were state department employees, which has had a long history of poorly secured digital information. If congress had dug into this deeper, rather than just focusing on Clinton, they would have found out that most government agencies have terrible computer procedures. The press has been reporting this for years. The state department is no exception. How about her deleted emails? What's your defense for that Do you use email in your job? I deleted 100+ emails today alone, maybe more.
Do you delete your email archive back up as well? Can you explain the rationale for that?
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On September 03 2016 06:00 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 05:55 a_flayer wrote:On September 03 2016 05:49 CannonsNCarriers wrote:On September 03 2016 05:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 03 2016 05:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:
So are these new FBI documents another tempest in a teapot or is everyone frothing at mouth about it legit or is it somewhere in between? An unknown individual using the encrypted privacy tool Tor to hide their tracks accessed an email account on a Clinton family server, the FBI revealed Friday.
The incident appears to be the first confirmed intrusion into a piece of hardware associated with Hillary Clinton’s private email system
The new report also revealed that one of Clinton’s IT aides enabled Remote Desktop Protocol on the server, despite known vulnerabilities in the protocol. FBI investigators also could not determine if the widely recommended security protocol TLS was ever enabled. SourceThis is one of my personal favorites 10. Clinton told the FBI that she was unaware that the "C" marking on emailed documents meant they were confidential. sourceI mean I accept that Hillary is still probably the "lesser evil", but I can't believe how many Dems are just swallowing this nonsense whole. Make the case why what she did was so bad. So she missed some (C) marks. So what? What bad happened? How big of a rule break was this? Was it enough to justify prosecution (note that Comey/FBI/DOJ all disagree with you)? EDIT: even if you can show inconsistencies in answers about email and server arrangements ... so what? These are IT details. You need to make the case why this is so disastrously bad on its own. Someone can be a perfectly fine President and also not be able to keep the details of various servers and devices together. This is what IT departments are for. EDIT2: let's assume you can show the email arrangement was bad and that HRC is a bad email server manager. Have you considered that there could be more important issues in this election than email server management? Like say ... defeating White Nationalism? The Supreme Court? Confronting Russian intervention in our Democracy? Taxes? Labor Law? The Environment? Our relationship with critical Eastern European allies? To me it is at least evidence that once more there will be a technology unaware person in charge of things, and worse still someone who surrounds herself with people who make these obvious mistakes. The problem with that argument is that the people who set up the server were state department employees, which has had a long history of poorly secured digital information. If congress had dug into this deeper, rather than just focusing on Clinton, they would have found out that most government agencies have terrible computer procedures. The press has been reporting this for years. The state department is no exception. I'm not saying she did everything correctly or is perfect. But this problem isn't isolated just to her. I would be money the senate security committee members have practices that are just as bad.
I absolutely agree with you, but it still not encouraging. If she had been more aware of technology or surrounded herself with/took advice from people who are, then electing her into office could have meant that something would have been done about it. I'm not saying it that electing her will mean the situation will never improve (because the issue might be raised by others, or whatever), but it's not encouraging that she let this happen to her.
On September 03 2016 06:08 CorsairHero wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 06:02 Plansix wrote:On September 03 2016 06:01 biology]major wrote:On September 03 2016 06:00 Plansix wrote:On September 03 2016 05:55 a_flayer wrote:On September 03 2016 05:49 CannonsNCarriers wrote:On September 03 2016 05:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 03 2016 05:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:
So are these new FBI documents another tempest in a teapot or is everyone frothing at mouth about it legit or is it somewhere in between? An unknown individual using the encrypted privacy tool Tor to hide their tracks accessed an email account on a Clinton family server, the FBI revealed Friday.
The incident appears to be the first confirmed intrusion into a piece of hardware associated with Hillary Clinton’s private email system
The new report also revealed that one of Clinton’s IT aides enabled Remote Desktop Protocol on the server, despite known vulnerabilities in the protocol. FBI investigators also could not determine if the widely recommended security protocol TLS was ever enabled. SourceThis is one of my personal favorites 10. Clinton told the FBI that she was unaware that the "C" marking on emailed documents meant they were confidential. sourceI mean I accept that Hillary is still probably the "lesser evil", but I can't believe how many Dems are just swallowing this nonsense whole. Make the case why what she did was so bad. So she missed some (C) marks. So what? What bad happened? How big of a rule break was this? Was it enough to justify prosecution (note that Comey/FBI/DOJ all disagree with you)? EDIT: even if you can show inconsistencies in answers about email and server arrangements ... so what? These are IT details. You need to make the case why this is so disastrously bad on its own. Someone can be a perfectly fine President and also not be able to keep the details of various servers and devices together. This is what IT departments are for. EDIT2: let's assume you can show the email arrangement was bad and that HRC is a bad email server manager. Have you considered that there could be more important issues in this election than email server management? Like say ... defeating White Nationalism? The Supreme Court? Confronting Russian intervention in our Democracy? Taxes? Labor Law? The Environment? Our relationship with critical Eastern European allies? To me it is at least evidence that once more there will be a technology unaware person in charge of things, and worse still someone who surrounds herself with people who make these obvious mistakes. The problem with that argument is that the people who set up the server were state department employees, which has had a long history of poorly secured digital information. If congress had dug into this deeper, rather than just focusing on Clinton, they would have found out that most government agencies have terrible computer procedures. The press has been reporting this for years. The state department is no exception. How about her deleted emails? What's your defense for that Do you use email in your job? I deleted 100+ emails today alone, maybe more. Do you delete your email archive back up as well? Can you explain the rationale for that?
They were talking about PST files weren't they? Have you ever tried to work with those in networked environments with massive amounts of e-mails? It is not pretty. If it were server back-ups, then I don't think you can't personally fault Clinton for that, unless you go about it the way I described before.
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On September 03 2016 06:01 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 06:00 Plansix wrote:On September 03 2016 05:55 a_flayer wrote:On September 03 2016 05:49 CannonsNCarriers wrote:On September 03 2016 05:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 03 2016 05:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:
So are these new FBI documents another tempest in a teapot or is everyone frothing at mouth about it legit or is it somewhere in between? An unknown individual using the encrypted privacy tool Tor to hide their tracks accessed an email account on a Clinton family server, the FBI revealed Friday.
The incident appears to be the first confirmed intrusion into a piece of hardware associated with Hillary Clinton’s private email system
The new report also revealed that one of Clinton’s IT aides enabled Remote Desktop Protocol on the server, despite known vulnerabilities in the protocol. FBI investigators also could not determine if the widely recommended security protocol TLS was ever enabled. SourceThis is one of my personal favorites 10. Clinton told the FBI that she was unaware that the "C" marking on emailed documents meant they were confidential. sourceI mean I accept that Hillary is still probably the "lesser evil", but I can't believe how many Dems are just swallowing this nonsense whole. Make the case why what she did was so bad. So she missed some (C) marks. So what? What bad happened? How big of a rule break was this? Was it enough to justify prosecution (note that Comey/FBI/DOJ all disagree with you)? EDIT: even if you can show inconsistencies in answers about email and server arrangements ... so what? These are IT details. You need to make the case why this is so disastrously bad on its own. Someone can be a perfectly fine President and also not be able to keep the details of various servers and devices together. This is what IT departments are for. EDIT2: let's assume you can show the email arrangement was bad and that HRC is a bad email server manager. Have you considered that there could be more important issues in this election than email server management? Like say ... defeating White Nationalism? The Supreme Court? Confronting Russian intervention in our Democracy? Taxes? Labor Law? The Environment? Our relationship with critical Eastern European allies? To me it is at least evidence that once more there will be a technology unaware person in charge of things, and worse still someone who surrounds herself with people who make these obvious mistakes. The problem with that argument is that the people who set up the server were state department employees, which has had a long history of poorly secured digital information. If congress had dug into this deeper, rather than just focusing on Clinton, they would have found out that most government agencies have terrible computer procedures. The press has been reporting this for years. The state department is no exception. How about her deleted emails? What's your defense for that
It feels like you see deleting emails as the same as burying a body. As if deleting emails is conclusive evidence of the worst level of corruption. Looking at the ridiculous spin people have put on the emails we did get, I can see the justification, even in the absence of any wrongdoing. It's easy to make things seem worse than they are.
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On September 03 2016 06:02 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 06:01 biology]major wrote:On September 03 2016 06:00 Plansix wrote:On September 03 2016 05:55 a_flayer wrote:On September 03 2016 05:49 CannonsNCarriers wrote:On September 03 2016 05:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 03 2016 05:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:
So are these new FBI documents another tempest in a teapot or is everyone frothing at mouth about it legit or is it somewhere in between? An unknown individual using the encrypted privacy tool Tor to hide their tracks accessed an email account on a Clinton family server, the FBI revealed Friday.
The incident appears to be the first confirmed intrusion into a piece of hardware associated with Hillary Clinton’s private email system
The new report also revealed that one of Clinton’s IT aides enabled Remote Desktop Protocol on the server, despite known vulnerabilities in the protocol. FBI investigators also could not determine if the widely recommended security protocol TLS was ever enabled. SourceThis is one of my personal favorites 10. Clinton told the FBI that she was unaware that the "C" marking on emailed documents meant they were confidential. sourceI mean I accept that Hillary is still probably the "lesser evil", but I can't believe how many Dems are just swallowing this nonsense whole. Make the case why what she did was so bad. So she missed some (C) marks. So what? What bad happened? How big of a rule break was this? Was it enough to justify prosecution (note that Comey/FBI/DOJ all disagree with you)? EDIT: even if you can show inconsistencies in answers about email and server arrangements ... so what? These are IT details. You need to make the case why this is so disastrously bad on its own. Someone can be a perfectly fine President and also not be able to keep the details of various servers and devices together. This is what IT departments are for. EDIT2: let's assume you can show the email arrangement was bad and that HRC is a bad email server manager. Have you considered that there could be more important issues in this election than email server management? Like say ... defeating White Nationalism? The Supreme Court? Confronting Russian intervention in our Democracy? Taxes? Labor Law? The Environment? Our relationship with critical Eastern European allies? To me it is at least evidence that once more there will be a technology unaware person in charge of things, and worse still someone who surrounds herself with people who make these obvious mistakes. The problem with that argument is that the people who set up the server were state department employees, which has had a long history of poorly secured digital information. If congress had dug into this deeper, rather than just focusing on Clinton, they would have found out that most government agencies have terrible computer procedures. The press has been reporting this for years. The state department is no exception. How about her deleted emails? What's your defense for that Do you use email in your job? I deleted 100+ emails today alone, maybe more.
Your job isn't Secretary of State and you didn't use this:
http://www.dailywire.com/news/8681/clinton-purged-emails-reovery-prevention-software-robert-kraychik
On September 03 2016 06:03 CannonsNCarriers wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 06:01 biology]major wrote:On September 03 2016 06:00 Plansix wrote:On September 03 2016 05:55 a_flayer wrote:On September 03 2016 05:49 CannonsNCarriers wrote:On September 03 2016 05:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 03 2016 05:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:
So are these new FBI documents another tempest in a teapot or is everyone frothing at mouth about it legit or is it somewhere in between? An unknown individual using the encrypted privacy tool Tor to hide their tracks accessed an email account on a Clinton family server, the FBI revealed Friday.
The incident appears to be the first confirmed intrusion into a piece of hardware associated with Hillary Clinton’s private email system
The new report also revealed that one of Clinton’s IT aides enabled Remote Desktop Protocol on the server, despite known vulnerabilities in the protocol. FBI investigators also could not determine if the widely recommended security protocol TLS was ever enabled. SourceThis is one of my personal favorites 10. Clinton told the FBI that she was unaware that the "C" marking on emailed documents meant they were confidential. sourceI mean I accept that Hillary is still probably the "lesser evil", but I can't believe how many Dems are just swallowing this nonsense whole. Make the case why what she did was so bad. So she missed some (C) marks. So what? What bad happened? How big of a rule break was this? Was it enough to justify prosecution (note that Comey/FBI/DOJ all disagree with you)? EDIT: even if you can show inconsistencies in answers about email and server arrangements ... so what? These are IT details. You need to make the case why this is so disastrously bad on its own. Someone can be a perfectly fine President and also not be able to keep the details of various servers and devices together. This is what IT departments are for. EDIT2: let's assume you can show the email arrangement was bad and that HRC is a bad email server manager. Have you considered that there could be more important issues in this election than email server management? Like say ... defeating White Nationalism? The Supreme Court? Confronting Russian intervention in our Democracy? Taxes? Labor Law? The Environment? Our relationship with critical Eastern European allies? To me it is at least evidence that once more there will be a technology unaware person in charge of things, and worse still someone who surrounds herself with people who make these obvious mistakes. The problem with that argument is that the people who set up the server were state department employees, which has had a long history of poorly secured digital information. If congress had dug into this deeper, rather than just focusing on Clinton, they would have found out that most government agencies have terrible computer procedures. The press has been reporting this for years. The state department is no exception. How about her deleted emails? What's your defense for that My defense is "so what". Lots of emails gets deleted. What's your offense? Name me the crime she can be charged with here. Bear in mind that previous administrations had lots of deleted emails. Then you need to explain why Comey/FBI/DOJ are wrong in electing not to bring the charges for email deletion. EDIT: if your response is "optics", then my counter will be: more important issues this election than optics.
She may be too big to prosecute when other people were thrown under the bus by the intelligence state and convicted for less, that just means this is an issue the voter will have to punish her for.
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On September 03 2016 06:08 CorsairHero wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 06:02 Plansix wrote:On September 03 2016 06:01 biology]major wrote:On September 03 2016 06:00 Plansix wrote:On September 03 2016 05:55 a_flayer wrote:On September 03 2016 05:49 CannonsNCarriers wrote:On September 03 2016 05:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 03 2016 05:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:
So are these new FBI documents another tempest in a teapot or is everyone frothing at mouth about it legit or is it somewhere in between? An unknown individual using the encrypted privacy tool Tor to hide their tracks accessed an email account on a Clinton family server, the FBI revealed Friday.
The incident appears to be the first confirmed intrusion into a piece of hardware associated with Hillary Clinton’s private email system
The new report also revealed that one of Clinton’s IT aides enabled Remote Desktop Protocol on the server, despite known vulnerabilities in the protocol. FBI investigators also could not determine if the widely recommended security protocol TLS was ever enabled. SourceThis is one of my personal favorites 10. Clinton told the FBI that she was unaware that the "C" marking on emailed documents meant they were confidential. sourceI mean I accept that Hillary is still probably the "lesser evil", but I can't believe how many Dems are just swallowing this nonsense whole. Make the case why what she did was so bad. So she missed some (C) marks. So what? What bad happened? How big of a rule break was this? Was it enough to justify prosecution (note that Comey/FBI/DOJ all disagree with you)? EDIT: even if you can show inconsistencies in answers about email and server arrangements ... so what? These are IT details. You need to make the case why this is so disastrously bad on its own. Someone can be a perfectly fine President and also not be able to keep the details of various servers and devices together. This is what IT departments are for. EDIT2: let's assume you can show the email arrangement was bad and that HRC is a bad email server manager. Have you considered that there could be more important issues in this election than email server management? Like say ... defeating White Nationalism? The Supreme Court? Confronting Russian intervention in our Democracy? Taxes? Labor Law? The Environment? Our relationship with critical Eastern European allies? To me it is at least evidence that once more there will be a technology unaware person in charge of things, and worse still someone who surrounds herself with people who make these obvious mistakes. The problem with that argument is that the people who set up the server were state department employees, which has had a long history of poorly secured digital information. If congress had dug into this deeper, rather than just focusing on Clinton, they would have found out that most government agencies have terrible computer procedures. The press has been reporting this for years. The state department is no exception. How about her deleted emails? What's your defense for that Do you use email in your job? I deleted 100+ emails today alone, maybe more. Do you delete your email archive back up as well? Can you explain the rationale for that?
Shit doesn't get archived? I've done E-discovery, where you dig through emails from 3-5 years ago. Its a fucking nightmare and not everything makes its. Very little is worth keeping. Not everything makes it to the back up. Most systems don't archive instantly, they do it several times a day. Sometimes they miss stuff. Sometimes things are deleted from the archive because they are deemed to be not worth archiving or they are part of a larger chain that is already archived.
Do you really believe the goverment is going to archive every single email that passes through it's computers for decades?
Edit; This is the sort of fruitless debate where no one changes their minds. Its all about what we believe is true and we all think the others side are fools for believing what they believe. Like that Trump is Putin's love child and wants to make daddy proud by become president.
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On September 03 2016 06:13 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 06:08 CorsairHero wrote:On September 03 2016 06:02 Plansix wrote:On September 03 2016 06:01 biology]major wrote:On September 03 2016 06:00 Plansix wrote:On September 03 2016 05:55 a_flayer wrote:On September 03 2016 05:49 CannonsNCarriers wrote:On September 03 2016 05:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 03 2016 05:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:
So are these new FBI documents another tempest in a teapot or is everyone frothing at mouth about it legit or is it somewhere in between? An unknown individual using the encrypted privacy tool Tor to hide their tracks accessed an email account on a Clinton family server, the FBI revealed Friday.
The incident appears to be the first confirmed intrusion into a piece of hardware associated with Hillary Clinton’s private email system
The new report also revealed that one of Clinton’s IT aides enabled Remote Desktop Protocol on the server, despite known vulnerabilities in the protocol. FBI investigators also could not determine if the widely recommended security protocol TLS was ever enabled. SourceThis is one of my personal favorites 10. Clinton told the FBI that she was unaware that the "C" marking on emailed documents meant they were confidential. sourceI mean I accept that Hillary is still probably the "lesser evil", but I can't believe how many Dems are just swallowing this nonsense whole. Make the case why what she did was so bad. So she missed some (C) marks. So what? What bad happened? How big of a rule break was this? Was it enough to justify prosecution (note that Comey/FBI/DOJ all disagree with you)? EDIT: even if you can show inconsistencies in answers about email and server arrangements ... so what? These are IT details. You need to make the case why this is so disastrously bad on its own. Someone can be a perfectly fine President and also not be able to keep the details of various servers and devices together. This is what IT departments are for. EDIT2: let's assume you can show the email arrangement was bad and that HRC is a bad email server manager. Have you considered that there could be more important issues in this election than email server management? Like say ... defeating White Nationalism? The Supreme Court? Confronting Russian intervention in our Democracy? Taxes? Labor Law? The Environment? Our relationship with critical Eastern European allies? To me it is at least evidence that once more there will be a technology unaware person in charge of things, and worse still someone who surrounds herself with people who make these obvious mistakes. The problem with that argument is that the people who set up the server were state department employees, which has had a long history of poorly secured digital information. If congress had dug into this deeper, rather than just focusing on Clinton, they would have found out that most government agencies have terrible computer procedures. The press has been reporting this for years. The state department is no exception. How about her deleted emails? What's your defense for that Do you use email in your job? I deleted 100+ emails today alone, maybe more. Do you delete your email archive back up as well? Can you explain the rationale for that? Shit doesn't get archived? I've done E-discovery, where you dig through emails from 3-5 years ago. Its a fucking nightmare and not everything makes its. Very little is worth keeping. Not everything makes it to the back up. Most systems don't archive instantly, they do it several times a day. Sometimes they miss stuff. Sometimes things are deleted from the archive because they are deemed to be not worth archiving or they are part of a larger chain that is already archived. Do you really believe the goverment is going to archive every single email that passes through it's computers for decades? Edit; This is the sort of fruitless debate where no one changes their minds. Its all about what we believe is true and we all think the others side are fools for believing what they believe. Like that Trump is Putin's love child and wants to make daddy proud by become president.
Yeah I doubt anyone is going to change their minds, you guys are on some serious hrc kool aid if you think deleting 30k emails during the midst of an FBI investigation, immediately after the story came out is the same as deleting a few 100 emails at work.
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