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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
August 29 2016 15:33 GMT
#96881
Wiener's at it again, just when the political news was getting boring (unless you include Kaepernick). The sideshow America needs.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 29 2016 15:35 GMT
#96882
On August 30 2016 00:33 Danglars wrote:
Wiener's at it again, just when the political news was getting boring (unless you include Kaepernick). The sideshow America needs.

That man and his name are a headline and pun generating machine. His misbehavior is almost always news worthy simply because he writes his own headlines.
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
August 29 2016 15:35 GMT
#96883
Anyone know if Wiener's ancestors come from Vienna (Wien)? I'm wondering if that's where his last name came from.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 29 2016 15:37 GMT
#96884
More than three dozen just-released audits reveal how some private Medicare plans overcharged the government for the majority of elderly patients they treated, often by overstating the severity of certain medical conditions, such as diabetes and depression.

The Center for Public Integrity recently obtained, through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, the federal audits of 37 Medicare Advantage programs. These audits have never before been made public, and though they reveal overpayments from 2007 — money that has since been paid back — many plans are still appealing the findings.

Medicare Advantage is a privately run alternative to standard Medicare; it has been growing in popularity and now enrolls more than 17 million seniors. In 2014, Medicare paid the health plans more than $160 billion.

But there's growing controversy over the accuracy of billings, which are based on a formula called a risk score; it is designed to pay Medicare Advantage plans higher rates for sicker patients and less for people in good health. In a series of articles published in 2014, the Center for Public Integrity reported that overspending tied to inflated risk scores has cost taxpayers tens of billions of dollars in recent years.

In May, a Government Accountability Office report called for "fundamental improvements" to curb excess charges linked to faulty risk scores. In addition, at least half a dozen health-industry insiders have filed whistleblower lawsuits that accuse Medicare Advantage insurers of manipulating risk scores to boost profits.

The audits from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services show that all but two of the 37 health plans audited for 2007 were overpaid — typically several hundred thousand dollars too much — for the sample of 201 patients examined at each plan.

Among the insurers charging the government too much: five Humana Inc. health plans, three UnitedHealth Care Group plans and four Wellpoint Inc. plans. CPI reporters approached the administrators of these plans for an interview, but all declined to comment.


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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 29 2016 15:41 GMT
#96885
On August 29 2016 22:16 ticklishmusic wrote:


I am the biased media, literally just repeating what Donald Trump says


The funniest part about this is Trump says his method for stopping the crime is to "get tough on crime". Tougher police action is EXACTLY what will get Trump the black vote!
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-29 15:49:44
August 29 2016 15:47 GMT
#96886
On August 30 2016 00:35 zlefin wrote:
Anyone know if Wiener's ancestors come from Vienna (Wien)? I'm wondering if that's where his last name came from.


Pretty sure its a jewish/yiddish name with some kind of Bavarian root. Either that or my freshman year room mate lied to me.

Fucking Carlos Danger....
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
August 29 2016 15:57 GMT
#96887
On August 30 2016 00:28 Plansix wrote:
I love watching the tech industry squirm under the weight their front in center role in news media. People who believed they were above bias and let “the information speak for itself”. Now they have to face the harsh truth that they might be presenting stories that would have been relegated to that weird dude holding a sign in the subway telling you the lizard people are taking over.

The tech industry is a bit arrogant and tends to think that it is god's gift to the world. The kind of arrogance that makes them think that software is the answer to all of life's problems is nothing new.

I remember back when notable tech individuals (including, notably, Peter Thiel) used to say that Twitter was changing the world for the better by being a platform to organize revolutionary movements against evil governments. I suppose the jerk in me would like to point out that it was also used by ISIS to radicalize Westerners and that therefore Twitter caused ISIS too.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-29 15:58:22
August 29 2016 15:58 GMT
#96888
On August 30 2016 00:47 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2016 00:35 zlefin wrote:
Anyone know if Wiener's ancestors come from Vienna (Wien)? I'm wondering if that's where his last name came from.


Pretty sure its a jewish/yiddish name with some kind of Bavarian root. Either that or my freshman year room mate lied to me.

Fucking Carlos Danger....

Seems about right: Weiner surname.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 29 2016 15:58 GMT
#96889
Agreed. The best adjective to describe tech isn't innovation, it's arrogance.
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
August 29 2016 16:04 GMT
#96890
On August 30 2016 00:28 Plansix wrote:
Also in the news, in an effort to remove human bias from their news feed, Facebook put software in charge. Within a day or so, completely fake story was given the endorsement of Facebook’s trending topics.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/08/29/a-fake-headline-about-megyn-kelly-was-trending-on-facebook/

I love watching the tech industry squirm under the weight their front in center role in news media. People who believed they were above bias and let “the information speak for itself”. Now they have to face the harsh truth that they might be presenting stories that would have been relegated to that weird dude holding a sign in the subway telling you the lizard people are taking over.

The real harsh truth is that people in general, completely unrelated to tech, enjoy fake stories and make no effort in verifying them before spreading them around.

"Trending" means its popular at the moment. When Facebook made the decision to stop manually curating what appears, this was the expected outcome. The question is whether they actually care about having a news role or not.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 29 2016 16:06 GMT
#96891
The tech industry used to throw around the word “disruptive” like it was a good thing. Then Uber came along and “disrupted” the taxi industry by straight up dodging regulation and bitching then people tired to apply the regulations to Uber. Then the industry just stopped using it for some reason.

And then they bitch about homeless people in their city and ask why they are allowed to exist there, while they pull in 80-120K a year.

At tech, you are the new Wall Street, god complex and all.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 29 2016 16:09 GMT
#96892
On August 30 2016 01:04 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2016 00:28 Plansix wrote:
Also in the news, in an effort to remove human bias from their news feed, Facebook put software in charge. Within a day or so, completely fake story was given the endorsement of Facebook’s trending topics.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/08/29/a-fake-headline-about-megyn-kelly-was-trending-on-facebook/

I love watching the tech industry squirm under the weight their front in center role in news media. People who believed they were above bias and let “the information speak for itself”. Now they have to face the harsh truth that they might be presenting stories that would have been relegated to that weird dude holding a sign in the subway telling you the lizard people are taking over.

The real harsh truth is that people in general, completely unrelated to tech, enjoy fake stories and make no effort in verifying them before spreading them around.

"Trending" means its popular at the moment. When Facebook made the decision to stop manually curating what appears, this was the expected outcome. The question is whether they actually care about having a news role or not.

They are making a lot of money off of providing people with news and worked out deals with all the news providers to profit share. So the answer is "yes". They want all the money from providing people with news, but none of those pesky moral problems like trying to make sure the public is well informed.

Really, that is the entire tech industry. Everyone gets access, even the guy holding up the lizard people sign. And sometimes he gets featured on facebook without context because twitter trending topics exists.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
August 29 2016 16:09 GMT
#96893
Huma is finally separating from anthony Weiner. Possibly sexting with his kid literally next to him in bed was a bit too much.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
August 29 2016 16:16 GMT
#96894
On August 30 2016 01:06 Plansix wrote:
The tech industry used to throw around the word “disruptive” like it was a good thing.

I always saw the use of the word "disruptive" as something akin to a teenager who thinks it amusing to pull pranks that really annoy other people, and to be proud of how "disruptive" they are being. It's not far from how I view some of the more trite creations of the "tech" industry.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 29 2016 16:16 GMT
#96895
Continuing efforts to reach out to black voters who have largely avoided supporting Donald Trump to this point, the Republican nominee's campaign announced that he will visit Detroit on Saturday to speak to the president and CEO of the only African-American owned and operated national Christian television network.

Trump will speak at Great Faith Ministries, a church in the heart of the city, where he will speak with Impact Network President and CEO and Bishop Wayne T. Jackson, the campaign said in a statement from surrogate Mark Burns, a pastor who set up a meeting between the candidate and Jackson.

"Mr. Trump will answer questions that are relevant to the African American community such as education (including HBCUs [historically black colleges and universities]), unemployment, making our streets safe and creating better opportunities for all," Burns said. "He will then give an address to outline policies that will impact minorities and the disenfranchised in our country. Citizens around the country will see, as I've have seen, the heart and compassion Mr. Trump has for all Americans, which includes minority communities whose votes have been taken for granted for far too long."

Trump has attempted to appeal to African-American as well as Hispanics voters in recent weeks, accusing Hillary Clinton of being a "bigot" and asking voters "what the hell do you have to lose?"


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Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9244 Posts
August 29 2016 16:20 GMT
#96896
Mylan to launch generic EpiPen at half the price of original

Mylan NV (MYL.O) said it would launch the first generic version of its allergy auto-injector EpiPen for $300, half the price of the branded product, the drugmaker's second step in less than a week to counter the backlash over the product's steep price.

The company reduced the out-of-pocket costs of EpiPen for some patients on Thursday, but kept the list price at about $600, a move that U.S. lawmakers and Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton said was not enough. EpiPen cost about $100 in 2008.

Mylan said on Monday it expected to launch the generic product "in several weeks," an unusual move considering the branded bestseller is still patent protected and major rival treatments have failed to get regulatory clearances.

Democratic senator Richard Blumenthal said Myl‎an may appear to be moving in the right direction, but its latest move raised as many questions as solutions, including why the price is still astronomically high and whether its action is a preemptive strike against a competing generic.

"Investigations are still vitally necessary into possible antitrust lawbreaking, and I will press for Senate hearings as well as FTC subpoenas," Blumenthal said in a statement.

[...]

"Our decision to launch a generic alternative to EpiPen is an extraordinary commercial response," Chief Executive Heather Bresch said Monday. "We determined that bypassing the brand system in this case and offering an additional alternative was the best option."

However, consumer watchdog group Public Citizen said Mylan's latest move was another "convoluted mechanism to avoid plain talk, admit to price gouging and just cut the price of EpiPen."

"The weirdness of a generic drug company offering a generic version of its own branded but off-patent product is a signal that something is wrong," President Robert Weissman said.

[...]


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mylan-nl-pricing-idUSKCN1140YF
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 29 2016 16:26 GMT
#96897
*golfclap*

Fucking leeches of society that is Mylan.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44247 Posts
August 29 2016 16:33 GMT
#96898
On August 30 2016 01:09 Nevuk wrote:
Huma is finally separating from anthony Weiner. Possibly sexting with his kid literally next to him in bed was a bit too much.

Not sure why the kid makes it an issue. When you're a responsible parent that means that you're basically going to have a kid with you 90% of the time but that most of what you're doing doesn't involve the kid. Home alone with the kid and need a shit, they get to watch. Need a shower and can't leave them unsupervised? Family shower time (assuming <5 here). As long as he didn't get his dick out I really don't see the big deal.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-29 16:36:15
August 29 2016 16:35 GMT
#96899
Donald Trump is eschewing traditional methods of preparation for the upcoming presidential debates, favoring lunch meetings at golf clubs over mock debates or briefing books, according to a Washington Post report out Saturday.

The Post reported that rather than reviewing policy positions or holding formal rehearsals, Trump prefers to hold Sunday lunch meetings over bacon cheeseburgers at the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, New Jersey with a group of confidants including former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani, conservative radio host Laura Ingraham and newly-minted campaign manager Kellyanne Conway.

“Donald Trump is the unpredictable X-factor and Hillary Clinton is the scripted statist," Conway explained to the newspaper.

Former Trump advisor Sam Nunberg agreed, telling the Post that the GOP candidate wants to be the "showstopper at the Roman Colosseum, the main event at WrestleMania" to Clinton's "professional and wonky" counterpoint.

“He’s an unconventional candidate, so debate prep in the classic sense doesn’t apply to him," Conway added. "That applies to the accoutrements that are usually associated with getting ready for debates: contrived gestures, lecterns, a group of consultants in belted khakis holed up in a cabin, the Socratic method of peppering questions. That’s not him.”

Brett O'Donnell, who served as debate coach to Mitt Romney in 2012, said that former top aide Paul Manafort had previously asked whether O'Donnell would prepare Trump for the debates.

Although those negotiations came to nothing, O'Donnell said that Trump should be worried. “He thinks he won all the primary debates,” O'Donnell told the Post, but when it comes to Clinton "he can’t just name-call her and have a wrestling match for 90 minutes.”

Unnamed sources told The Washington Post that Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner were also present at the meeting, as were newly-hired campaign CEO Steve Bannon and former Fox News boss Roger Ailes.

In a statement two weeks ago, the Trump campaign denied a report that Ailes was helping the candidate prepare for debates.

"He is not advising Mr. Trump or helping with debate prep. They are longtime friends, but he has no formal or informal role in the campaign," campaign spokeswoman Hope Hicks told the Hollywood Reporter.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
August 29 2016 16:35 GMT
#96900
On August 30 2016 01:09 Nevuk wrote:
Huma is finally separating from anthony Weiner. Possibly sexting with his kid literally next to him in bed was a bit too much.

Good for her. I firmly believe that politics attracts sociopaths like Weiner. It's just a matter of whether the politicians are smart enough to cover their tracks and not get caught.
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