EPTOn July 19 2016 07:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
A stupid thing to say, but some race had to contribute the most, I guess it would depend on how you rank the significance of certain historical events/technological advances.
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Chewbacca.
United States3634 Posts
A stupid thing to say, but some race had to contribute the most, I guess it would depend on how you rank the significance of certain historical events/technological advances. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5599 Posts
On July 19 2016 07:35 Mohdoo wrote: This is an alarming tweet, but I would hope to hear the context and what he "actually" said. https://mobile.twitter.com/MelioraMed/status/755168455855263744/video/1 I am watching a bit of the republican convent now and I can't help but think that this kind of primitive views on history and peoples value as human beings in different parts of the world are a logical result of the almost cult-like, unreflected america love and sensationalism displayed by the politicians. Its like some kind of mass psychosis to be honest. I have seen the political climate deteriorate a lot in Sweden in recent years because of populism and xenophobia offering easy explanations and solutions to marginalized and uneducated voters, but there is nothing here that comes close to this level vulgar idiocy. When I lived in France a couple of years ago, the brutality and overt racism that the front national party showed was scary, but there was nothing close to the celebration of utter nonsense that I find in the trump campaign. | ||
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kapibara-san
Japan415 Posts
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KwarK
United States43255 Posts
What white people did have going on for them is a quiet little backwater on the far end of the silk road that was sufficiently in the loop to get every single major technological development invented in China after just a few decades but didn't have to deal with Mongols very often and could slowly ascend the development ladder without too many resets. Now if you're just looking at the last 500 years then yeah, you get a very sudden and very dramatic feedback loop where advantage begets advantage and suddenly Europeans conquer the world and wipe out a bunch of people. But if we hadn't burned down the Chinese records in the Second Opium War we'd have literal millennia of the history of the greatest civilization in the world to read through. So basically there was no world before white people made one and they just happened to find all this useful stuff or whatever. | ||
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Archeon
3260 Posts
With the amount that Trump is getting quoted out of context and ridiculed and with the from EU-standards highly questionable US-interpretation of freedom of speech, which pretty much allows straight up lying without consequences, I wouldn't want to waste my time with a piece of paper that is this bad at hiding it's agenda. I mean there was a part quoted where low interest in/concentration when talking about one's own childhood is interpreted as ADHD. How much can I remember from my childhood? Barely anything, and I'm not 70. Honestly if I learned two things from this entire election, it's that large parts of the American populace are fed up with politicians and that large parts of the left-winged press are as useless and biased as the right press agencies like fox news. They do the same shit just from the other side. | ||
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oBlade
United States5769 Posts
On July 19 2016 05:03 kapibara-san wrote: the main point is that there doesn't seem to be much substance below his ego and his penchant for manipulative pandering and strong-arming people to his will. address this point with any evidence to the contrary, and then we'll be getting somewhere. i also explicitly already said that i'm not expecting epiphanies, just engagement, but here you are doing the same thing as ggtemplar and dismissing the whole thing by reducing it to something you find easily dismissable (a piece entirely dedicated to convincing people he has a big ego?). No, I read the whole piece, but that was my olive branch. The point being if ego is a concern for people, if they can only vote with a clear conscience for a candidate in the mold of Marcus Aurelius, then it's totally appropriate for them not to vote for Trump or even vote at all, that's something I can appreciate. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Roger Ailes's tenure as the head of Fox News may be coming to an end. Rupert Murdoch and sons Lachlan and James — co-chairmen and CEO, respectively, of parent company 21st Century Fox — have settled on removing the 76-year-old executive, say two sources briefed on a sexual-harassment investigation of Ailes being conducted by New York law firm Paul, Weiss. After reviewing the initial findings of the probe, James Murdoch is said to be arguing that Ailes should be presented with a choice this week to resign or face being fired. Lachlan is more aligned with their father, who thinks that no action should be taken until after the GOP convention this week. Another source confirms that all three are in agreement that Ailes needs to go. While Gretchen Carlson’s sexual-harassment lawsuit against Ailes sparked the investigation, sources say it has expanded into a wide-ranging inquiry into Ailes’s controversial management style. The interviews are now being conducted at Paul, Weiss’s midtown offices because of concerns that the Fox offices could be bugged, sources say. The lawyers are seeking to interview former female employees of Fox News in addition to current staff. They are also looking into the appropriateness of Ailes’s pressuring employees to speak out on his behalf, against his accusers. For instance, they are focusing on an op-ed written by Fox Business anchor Neil Cavuto in which Cavuto called the allegations against Ailes “sick.” As Cavuto is a manager at Fox News (his title is senior VP and managing editor), his comments could be seen as part of a corporate attempt to silence women who would speak out. 21st Century Fox did not respond for comment. Ailes’s spokesperson, Irena Briganti, also did not respond. Meanwhile, one Fox host told me that Ailes loyalists are reporting back on the investigation to his attorney, and Fox contributor, Susan Estrich. “They’re scared to death,” one Fox anchor told me. “The mood is bleak.” http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/07/murdochs-have-decided-to-remove-roger-ailes.html | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 19 2016 08:09 Nevuk wrote: There's a report that Ailes is being let go by fox this week: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/07/murdochs-have-decided-to-remove-roger-ailes.html That is what happens when nearly every public female member of the staff reports sexual harassment. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On July 19 2016 07:43 Chewbacca. wrote: A stupid thing to say, but some race had to contribute the most, I guess it would depend on how you rank the significance of certain historical events/technological advances. His statement was a bit more extreme than that : “This whole ‘white people’ business, though, does get a little tired, Charlie. I mean, I’d ask you to go back through history and figure out, where are these contributions that have been made by these other categories of people that you’re talking about? Where did any other sub-group of people contribute to civilization?” (He did qualify it a second later to just "western civilization") Source/video : http://www.mediaite.com/tv/steve-king-on-complaints-about-white-people-what-other-group-has-contributed-more-to-western-civilization/ | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 19 2016 07:45 Elroi wrote: https://mobile.twitter.com/MelioraMed/status/755168455855263744/video/1 I am watching a bit of the republican convent now and I can't help but think that this kind of primitive views on history and peoples value as human beings in different parts of the world are a logical result of the almost cult-like, unreflected america love and sensationalism displayed by the politicians. Its like some kind of mass psychosis to be honest. I have seen the political climate deteriorate a lot in Sweden in recent years because of populism and xenophobia offering easy explanations and solutions to marginalized and uneducated voters, but there is nothing here that comes close to this level vulgar idiocy. When I lived in France a couple of years ago, the brutality and overt racism that the front national party showed was scary, but there was nothing close to the celebration of utter nonsense that I find in the trump campaign. The most amazing part is that this shit would have been unheard 10 years ago. But here we are, rationalizing it, trying to make is seem less shit that is was. But its just natural progression of where the GOP is going at this point. Edit: that second video makes it worse. What does that have to do with politics today? Congrats, someone with the same skin color as you invented the printing press and cast iron wood stove. You don't get to retroactively take credit for that just because you have to use SPF 30 on a sunny day. Jesus. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Chewbacca.
United States3634 Posts
On July 19 2016 08:16 Nevuk wrote: His statement was a bit more extreme than that : (He did qualify it a second later to just "western civilization") Source/video : http://www.mediaite.com/tv/steve-king-on-complaints-about-white-people-what-other-group-has-contributed-more-to-western-civilization/ Agreed that it was still a stupid thing to say, but I am slightly bothered by the fact that they quote him ALMOST exactly, except for they remove a word in his final sentence, which completely changes the meaning of the sentence. "Where did any other sub-group of people contribute MORE to civilization." I mean god, it pretty much just guarantees that I'm not going to trust any article from that journalist/site, when they have to take a stupid statement, edit it to make it appear worse, and then play it off as the original quote. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 19 2016 08:23 Chewbacca. wrote: Agreed that it was still a stupid thing to say, but I am slightly bothered by the fact that they quote him ALMOST exactly, except for they remove a word in his final sentence, which completely changes the meaning of the sentence. "Where did any other sub-group of people contribute MORE to civilization." First off, he refers to all other races as a sub-group, like white is the default or some shit. And what the fuck does this have to do with US politics or the RNC platform? Beyond that it is super into the great achievements of white people? | ||
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Simberto
Germany11635 Posts
On July 19 2016 08:16 Nevuk wrote: His statement was a bit more extreme than that : (He did qualify it a second later to just "western civilization") Source/video : http://www.mediaite.com/tv/steve-king-on-complaints-about-white-people-what-other-group-has-contributed-more-to-western-civilization/ That is amazing. I am dumbfounded and have no idea what to say about that. I guess if you think that human civilisation started with the american independence, one could possibly make such a point, but even in that case it is very dubious, because it simply sees the fact that white europeans were dominant during that time period, surpressing everyone else so far that they are the only ones with the ability to make major contributions. If you really talk about "human civilisation", the whole thing becomes incredibly silly and nonsensical. And under no circumstances is it a smart thing to say. On July 19 2016 08:26 Plansix wrote: First off, he refers to all other races as a sub-group, like white is the default or some shit. And what the fuck does this have to do with US politics or the RNC platform? Beyond that it is super into the great achievements of white people? "Other sub-groups (of humanity). So white people are one subgroup of humanity, mongols are another, black people another, american indians another, etc... All of those are sub-groups of humanity, that is not a stupid sthing to say. I agree about it being shitty to leave out the word "more" in a direct quote. Have some integrity. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Chewbacca.
United States3634 Posts
On July 19 2016 08:26 Plansix wrote: First off, he refers to all other races as a sub-group, like white is the default or some shit. And what the fuck does this have to do with US politics or the RNC platform? Beyond that it is super into the great achievements of white people? I never said I agreed with his statement or thought it belonged in politics, just that I found it ridiculous that a place "reporting" the news, blatantly misquotes people to make a bad statement appear even worse. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 19 2016 08:30 Chewbacca. wrote: I never said I agreed with his statement or thought it belonged in politics, just that I found it ridiculous that a place "reporting" the news, blatantly misquotes people to make a bad statement appear even worse. The rest of the quote does not make it much better, tbh. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On July 19 2016 08:23 Chewbacca. wrote: Agreed that it was still a stupid thing to say, but I am slightly bothered by the fact that they quote him ALMOST exactly, except for they remove a word in his final sentence, which completely changes the meaning of the sentence. "Where did any other sub-group of people contribute MORE to civilization." I mean god, it pretty much just guarantees that I'm not going to trust any article from that journalist/site, when they have to take a stupid statement, edit it to make it appear worse, and then play it off as the original quote. It's mainly just a site that posts very fast updates on media topics with sources and has a .... weird partisan leaning, in that they just employ people that lean every direction so you end up with the journalists flaming each other half the time. And the comments section is almost always people of the opposite party flaming the article. Lots of fun, but not the best place for accurate quotes - it's not usually because of the leaning of any writer rather it's just the very rapid pace they put out articles (for instance that's the 11th article today for that writer, and the in site headline also disagrees with the quoted text lol, but it's only been up for 45 minutes. That specific journalist is just covering the convention and one of the few who tries to stay objective generally). They do always have a source, and generally have it up within a few minutes of any noteworthy exchanges on tv which is what makes them useful in spite of the above problems. I would consider it political because it's coming from a US state representative in response to a comment about changing demographic forces | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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