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On July 12 2016 19:20 Surth wrote: what I find so hilarious about the screams of "PC! PC!" is that it shows, in essence, that almost everyone, on every side of the discourse, wishes to show himself to be a victim. Finding virtue in suffering - truly, we are all christians. The melodramatic mode rules us all.
maybe we need some nietzschean belief in tragedy again.
bardtown: I don't worry about "islamic" terrorism in the first place, so I'm not worried about the government calling it by whatever name, so I'm not worried about PC. Sorry.
Projection. Pointing out a societal flaw does not make me a victim. I'm an outside observer, for Christ's sake; how can I be a victim? Also, whether you are worried about Islamic terrorism or not is just a sideline, as PC culture is ubiquitous.
ok i'll bite
can you actually pick and choose a few contexts where you think PC culture is especially damaging?
Hiding Cologne mass rape from publjc and Britains pakistani rape gangs.
What was hidden there? What part of the public missed it being on the frontpages for like a month?
I don't remember if it was "succsesfully hidden" but the higher ups tried to hide that actual rape happened.
On July 12 2016 19:20 Surth wrote: what I find so hilarious about the screams of "PC! PC!" is that it shows, in essence, that almost everyone, on every side of the discourse, wishes to show himself to be a victim. Finding virtue in suffering - truly, we are all christians. The melodramatic mode rules us all.
maybe we need some nietzschean belief in tragedy again.
bardtown: I don't worry about "islamic" terrorism in the first place, so I'm not worried about the government calling it by whatever name, so I'm not worried about PC. Sorry.
Projection. Pointing out a societal flaw does not make me a victim. I'm an outside observer, for Christ's sake; how can I be a victim? Also, whether you are worried about Islamic terrorism or not is just a sideline, as PC culture is ubiquitous.
ok i'll bite
can you actually pick and choose a few contexts where you think PC culture is especially damaging?
In the UK there is one single example which is completely damning, whereby 1,400 young girls were abused by Pakistani muslim men, over the span of a decade, because the police in Rotherham did not want to be seen as racist.
In the US you have things like boys being drugged into submission for behaving like boys (because, of course, there are absolutely no differences between boys and girls).
Why would we blame “PC culture” rather than blame the police for putting their own public image over the safety of children? Why blame some ethereal concept when there are very real people to blame for what happened?
It is not an isolated incident. The same story was repeated in other towns, and will be uncovered in more to come. This is not a few individual instances of misconduct, it is a pervasive attitude to muslims in the UK. Local councils were complicit, as were media who portrayed everybody who brought the issue up as racists.
We have also allowed "unofficial" sharia courts to be instated, which treat women's testimony as being half as valuable as men's testiomy, and enforce arranged marriages, etc. The entire establishment are too scared to call a spade a spade. By which I mean that they are too scared to call a backwards culture a backwards culture.
On July 12 2016 19:20 Surth wrote: what I find so hilarious about the screams of "PC! PC!" is that it shows, in essence, that almost everyone, on every side of the discourse, wishes to show himself to be a victim. Finding virtue in suffering - truly, we are all christians. The melodramatic mode rules us all.
maybe we need some nietzschean belief in tragedy again.
bardtown: I don't worry about "islamic" terrorism in the first place, so I'm not worried about the government calling it by whatever name, so I'm not worried about PC. Sorry.
Projection. Pointing out a societal flaw does not make me a victim. I'm an outside observer, for Christ's sake; how can I be a victim? Also, whether you are worried about Islamic terrorism or not is just a sideline, as PC culture is ubiquitous.
ok i'll bite
can you actually pick and choose a few contexts where you think PC culture is especially damaging?
In the UK there is one single example which is completely damning, whereby 1,400 young girls were abused by Pakistani muslim men, over the span of a decade, because the police in Rotherham did not want to be seen as racist.
In the US you have things like boys being drugged into submission for behaving like boys (because, of course, there are absolutely no differences between boys and girls).
Why would we blame “PC culture” rather than blame the police for putting their own public image over the safety of children? Why blame some ethereal concept when there are very real people to blame for what happened?
Really you cant see the connection? Damn.
I can, but I need to make several leaps before I cite it as the root cause. Self interest and cowardice of the department is much more tenable and real than some vague concept of “PC culture” being responsible. It sounds like the boogieman people blame for things when the real problem, shitty police departments with a culture of not giving a shit, is too difficult to deal with.
On July 12 2016 19:20 Surth wrote: what I find so hilarious about the screams of "PC! PC!" is that it shows, in essence, that almost everyone, on every side of the discourse, wishes to show himself to be a victim. Finding virtue in suffering - truly, we are all christians. The melodramatic mode rules us all.
maybe we need some nietzschean belief in tragedy again.
bardtown: I don't worry about "islamic" terrorism in the first place, so I'm not worried about the government calling it by whatever name, so I'm not worried about PC. Sorry.
Projection. Pointing out a societal flaw does not make me a victim. I'm an outside observer, for Christ's sake; how can I be a victim? Also, whether you are worried about Islamic terrorism or not is just a sideline, as PC culture is ubiquitous.
ok i'll bite
can you actually pick and choose a few contexts where you think PC culture is especially damaging?
In the UK there is one single example which is completely damning, whereby 1,400 young girls were abused by Pakistani muslim men, over the span of a decade, because the police in Rotherham did not want to be seen as racist.
In the US you have things like boys being drugged into submission for behaving like boys (because, of course, there are absolutely no differences between boys and girls).
Why would we blame “PC culture” rather than blame the police for putting their own public image over the safety of children? Why blame some ethereal concept when there are very real people to blame for what happened?
The entire establishment are too scared to call a spade a spade. By which I mean that they are too scared to call a backwards culture a backwards culture.
You mean call it out in a manner that meets your approval and denounces all of Islam?
If you read the reuters article about the crime, it says that the sentence is due to loophole in the law that was just recently closed. I agree the sentence is far to light, but it looks like the wording of the law failed the victim in this case.
On July 12 2016 19:20 Surth wrote: what I find so hilarious about the screams of "PC! PC!" is that it shows, in essence, that almost everyone, on every side of the discourse, wishes to show himself to be a victim. Finding virtue in suffering - truly, we are all christians. The melodramatic mode rules us all.
maybe we need some nietzschean belief in tragedy again.
bardtown: I don't worry about "islamic" terrorism in the first place, so I'm not worried about the government calling it by whatever name, so I'm not worried about PC. Sorry.
Projection. Pointing out a societal flaw does not make me a victim. I'm an outside observer, for Christ's sake; how can I be a victim? Also, whether you are worried about Islamic terrorism or not is just a sideline, as PC culture is ubiquitous.
ok i'll bite
can you actually pick and choose a few contexts where you think PC culture is especially damaging?
In the UK there is one single example which is completely damning, whereby 1,400 young girls were abused by Pakistani muslim men, over the span of a decade, because the police in Rotherham did not want to be seen as racist.
In the US you have things like boys being drugged into submission for behaving like boys (because, of course, there are absolutely no differences between boys and girls).
Why would we blame “PC culture” rather than blame the police for putting their own public image over the safety of children? Why blame some ethereal concept when there are very real people to blame for what happened?
Really you cant see the connection? Damn.
I can, but I need to make several leaps before I cite it as the root cause. Self interest and cowardice of the department is much more tenable and real than some vague concept of “PC culture” being responsible. It sounds like the boogieman people blame for things when the real problem, shitty police departments with a culture of not giving a shit, is too difficult to deal with.
On July 12 2016 19:20 Surth wrote: what I find so hilarious about the screams of "PC! PC!" is that it shows, in essence, that almost everyone, on every side of the discourse, wishes to show himself to be a victim. Finding virtue in suffering - truly, we are all christians. The melodramatic mode rules us all.
maybe we need some nietzschean belief in tragedy again.
bardtown: I don't worry about "islamic" terrorism in the first place, so I'm not worried about the government calling it by whatever name, so I'm not worried about PC. Sorry.
Projection. Pointing out a societal flaw does not make me a victim. I'm an outside observer, for Christ's sake; how can I be a victim? Also, whether you are worried about Islamic terrorism or not is just a sideline, as PC culture is ubiquitous.
ok i'll bite
can you actually pick and choose a few contexts where you think PC culture is especially damaging?
In the UK there is one single example which is completely damning, whereby 1,400 young girls were abused by Pakistani muslim men, over the span of a decade, because the police in Rotherham did not want to be seen as racist.
In the US you have things like boys being drugged into submission for behaving like boys (because, of course, there are absolutely no differences between boys and girls).
Why would we blame “PC culture” rather than blame the police for putting their own public image over the safety of children? Why blame some ethereal concept when there are very real people to blame for what happened?
The entire establishment are too scared to call a spade a spade. By which I mean that they are too scared to call a backwards culture a backwards culture.
You mean call it out in a manner that meets your approval and denounces all of Islam?
You tell me. Is it Islam that teaches that women are worth less than men, or some subset thereof? Whatever it is, it has no place in the civilised world.
Given that this is the US politics thread, though, it would be better to return to instances of PC culture in the US.
On July 12 2016 23:52 Plansix wrote: If you read the reuters article about the crime, it says that the sentence is due to loophole in the law that was just recently closed. I agree the sentence is far to light, but it looks like the wording of the law failed the victim in this case.
I see, i'll have to look into that, hopefully future attacks will be met with much harsher conditions, we really need better deterrents.
On July 12 2016 19:20 Surth wrote: what I find so hilarious about the screams of "PC! PC!" is that it shows, in essence, that almost everyone, on every side of the discourse, wishes to show himself to be a victim. Finding virtue in suffering - truly, we are all christians. The melodramatic mode rules us all.
maybe we need some nietzschean belief in tragedy again.
bardtown: I don't worry about "islamic" terrorism in the first place, so I'm not worried about the government calling it by whatever name, so I'm not worried about PC. Sorry.
Projection. Pointing out a societal flaw does not make me a victim. I'm an outside observer, for Christ's sake; how can I be a victim? Also, whether you are worried about Islamic terrorism or not is just a sideline, as PC culture is ubiquitous.
ok i'll bite
can you actually pick and choose a few contexts where you think PC culture is especially damaging?
In the US you have things like boys being drugged into submission for behaving like boys (because, of course, there are absolutely no differences between boys and girls).
i would like sources on this because this is too vague for me to efficiently google
also i would like the explicit connection to why this is on PC culture specifically spelled out for me actually nvm i got it i just parsed what you meant
idk liberal extremists arent synonymous with PC in my head
On July 12 2016 19:20 Surth wrote: what I find so hilarious about the screams of "PC! PC!" is that it shows, in essence, that almost everyone, on every side of the discourse, wishes to show himself to be a victim. Finding virtue in suffering - truly, we are all christians. The melodramatic mode rules us all.
maybe we need some nietzschean belief in tragedy again.
bardtown: I don't worry about "islamic" terrorism in the first place, so I'm not worried about the government calling it by whatever name, so I'm not worried about PC. Sorry.
Projection. Pointing out a societal flaw does not make me a victim. I'm an outside observer, for Christ's sake; how can I be a victim? Also, whether you are worried about Islamic terrorism or not is just a sideline, as PC culture is ubiquitous.
ok i'll bite
can you actually pick and choose a few contexts where you think PC culture is especially damaging?
In the UK there is one single example which is completely damning, whereby 1,400 young girls were abused by Pakistani muslim men, over the span of a decade, because the police in Rotherham did not want to be seen as racist.
In the US you have things like boys being drugged into submission for behaving like boys (because, of course, there are absolutely no differences between boys and girls).
Why would we blame “PC culture” rather than blame the police for putting their own public image over the safety of children? Why blame some ethereal concept when there are very real people to blame for what happened?
Really you cant see the connection? Damn.
I can, but I need to make several leaps before I cite it as the root cause. Self interest and cowardice of the department is much more tenable and real than some vague concept of “PC culture” being responsible. It sounds like the boogieman people blame for things when the real problem, shitty police departments with a culture of not giving a shit, is too difficult to deal with.
On July 12 2016 23:40 bardtown wrote:
On July 12 2016 23:34 Plansix wrote:
On July 12 2016 23:29 bardtown wrote:
On July 12 2016 22:18 kapibara-san wrote:
On July 12 2016 22:16 bardtown wrote:
On July 12 2016 19:20 Surth wrote: what I find so hilarious about the screams of "PC! PC!" is that it shows, in essence, that almost everyone, on every side of the discourse, wishes to show himself to be a victim. Finding virtue in suffering - truly, we are all christians. The melodramatic mode rules us all.
maybe we need some nietzschean belief in tragedy again.
bardtown: I don't worry about "islamic" terrorism in the first place, so I'm not worried about the government calling it by whatever name, so I'm not worried about PC. Sorry.
Projection. Pointing out a societal flaw does not make me a victim. I'm an outside observer, for Christ's sake; how can I be a victim? Also, whether you are worried about Islamic terrorism or not is just a sideline, as PC culture is ubiquitous.
ok i'll bite
can you actually pick and choose a few contexts where you think PC culture is especially damaging?
In the UK there is one single example which is completely damning, whereby 1,400 young girls were abused by Pakistani muslim men, over the span of a decade, because the police in Rotherham did not want to be seen as racist.
In the US you have things like boys being drugged into submission for behaving like boys (because, of course, there are absolutely no differences between boys and girls).
Why would we blame “PC culture” rather than blame the police for putting their own public image over the safety of children? Why blame some ethereal concept when there are very real people to blame for what happened?
The entire establishment are too scared to call a spade a spade. By which I mean that they are too scared to call a backwards culture a backwards culture.
You mean call it out in a manner that meets your approval and denounces all of Islam?
You tell me. Is it Islam that teaches that women are worth less than men, or some subset thereof? Whatever it is, it has no place in the civilised world.
Given that this is the US politics thread, though, it would be better to return to instances of PC culture in the US.
The world is a big place. If you are going to truths about Islam you are going to need to narrow it down from a population larger than the entire United States. Otherwise the will always be “sometimes”.
On July 12 2016 19:20 Surth wrote: what I find so hilarious about the screams of "PC! PC!" is that it shows, in essence, that almost everyone, on every side of the discourse, wishes to show himself to be a victim. Finding virtue in suffering - truly, we are all christians. The melodramatic mode rules us all.
maybe we need some nietzschean belief in tragedy again.
bardtown: I don't worry about "islamic" terrorism in the first place, so I'm not worried about the government calling it by whatever name, so I'm not worried about PC. Sorry.
Projection. Pointing out a societal flaw does not make me a victim. I'm an outside observer, for Christ's sake; how can I be a victim? Also, whether you are worried about Islamic terrorism or not is just a sideline, as PC culture is ubiquitous.
ok i'll bite
can you actually pick and choose a few contexts where you think PC culture is especially damaging?
In the UK there is one single example which is completely damning, whereby 1,400 young girls were abused by Pakistani muslim men, over the span of a decade, because the police in Rotherham did not want to be seen as racist.
In the US you have things like boys being drugged into submission for behaving like boys (because, of course, there are absolutely no differences between boys and girls).
Why would we blame “PC culture” rather than blame the police for putting their own public image over the safety of children? Why blame some ethereal concept when there are very real people to blame for what happened?
It is not an isolated incident. The same story was repeated in other towns, and will be uncovered in more to come. This is not a few individual instances of misconduct, it is a pervasive attitude to muslims in the UK. Local councils were complicit, as were media who portrayed everybody who brought the issue up as racists.
We have also allowed "unofficial" sharia courts to be instated, which treat women's testimony as being half as valuable as men's testiomy, and enforce arranged marriages, etc. The entire establishment are too scared to call a spade a spade. By which I mean that they are too scared to call a backwards culture a backwards culture.
On July 12 2016 23:47 Reaps wrote: Meanwhile the first two migrants convicted of sexual assault at the Cologne attacks walked free with a suspended sentence.
On July 12 2016 23:47 Reaps wrote: Meanwhile the first two migrants convicted of sexual assault at the Cologne attacks walked free with a suspended sentence.
On July 12 2016 19:20 Surth wrote: what I find so hilarious about the screams of "PC! PC!" is that it shows, in essence, that almost everyone, on every side of the discourse, wishes to show himself to be a victim. Finding virtue in suffering - truly, we are all christians. The melodramatic mode rules us all.
maybe we need some nietzschean belief in tragedy again.
bardtown: I don't worry about "islamic" terrorism in the first place, so I'm not worried about the government calling it by whatever name, so I'm not worried about PC. Sorry.
Projection. Pointing out a societal flaw does not make me a victim. I'm an outside observer, for Christ's sake; how can I be a victim? Also, whether you are worried about Islamic terrorism or not is just a sideline, as PC culture is ubiquitous.
ok i'll bite
can you actually pick and choose a few contexts where you think PC culture is especially damaging?
In the UK there is one single example which is completely damning, whereby 1,400 young girls were abused by Pakistani muslim men, over the span of a decade, because the police in Rotherham did not want to be seen as racist.
In the US you have things like boys being drugged into submission for behaving like boys (because, of course, there are absolutely no differences between boys and girls).
Why would we blame “PC culture” rather than blame the police for putting their own public image over the safety of children? Why blame some ethereal concept when there are very real people to blame for what happened?
It is not an isolated incident. The same story was repeated in other towns, and will be uncovered in more to come. This is not a few individual instances of misconduct, it is a pervasive attitude to muslims in the UK. Local councils were complicit, as were media who portrayed everybody who brought the issue up as racists.
We have also allowed "unofficial" sharia courts to be instated, which treat women's testimony as being half as valuable as men's testiomy, and enforce arranged marriages, etc. The entire establishment are too scared to call a spade a spade. By which I mean that they are too scared to call a backwards culture a backwards culture.
We don't have sharia courts in the UK.
There are "unofficial" ones in small Muslim community's, some of which have been reported on mainstream TV media. It didn't look like your usual Sharia court which you would have in Muslim country's though, both men and women got to have a equal say from what was shown.
On July 12 2016 19:20 Surth wrote: what I find so hilarious about the screams of "PC! PC!" is that it shows, in essence, that almost everyone, on every side of the discourse, wishes to show himself to be a victim. Finding virtue in suffering - truly, we are all christians. The melodramatic mode rules us all.
maybe we need some nietzschean belief in tragedy again.
bardtown: I don't worry about "islamic" terrorism in the first place, so I'm not worried about the government calling it by whatever name, so I'm not worried about PC. Sorry.
Projection. Pointing out a societal flaw does not make me a victim. I'm an outside observer, for Christ's sake; how can I be a victim? Also, whether you are worried about Islamic terrorism or not is just a sideline, as PC culture is ubiquitous.
ok i'll bite
can you actually pick and choose a few contexts where you think PC culture is especially damaging?
In the UK there is one single example which is completely damning, whereby 1,400 young girls were abused by Pakistani muslim men, over the span of a decade, because the police in Rotherham did not want to be seen as racist.
In the US you have things like boys being drugged into submission for behaving like boys (because, of course, there are absolutely no differences between boys and girls).
Why would we blame “PC culture” rather than blame the police for putting their own public image over the safety of children? Why blame some ethereal concept when there are very real people to blame for what happened?
It is not an isolated incident. The same story was repeated in other towns, and will be uncovered in more to come. This is not a few individual instances of misconduct, it is a pervasive attitude to muslims in the UK. Local councils were complicit, as were media who portrayed everybody who brought the issue up as racists.
We have also allowed "unofficial" sharia courts to be instated, which treat women's testimony as being half as valuable as men's testiomy, and enforce arranged marriages, etc. The entire establishment are too scared to call a spade a spade. By which I mean that they are too scared to call a backwards culture a backwards culture.
We don't have sharia courts in the UK.
There are "unofficial" ones in small Muslim community's, some of which have been reported on mainstream TV media. It didn't look like your usual Sharia court which you would have in Muslim country's though, both men and women got to have a equal say from what was shown.
From what was shown. The ones you want to be concerned about are the ones which would never allow media in in the first place. He's nitpicking, though, because they call themselves 'councils'.
On July 12 2016 23:47 Reaps wrote: Meanwhile the first two migrants convicted of sexual assault at the Cologne attacks walked free with a suspended sentence.
Isn't Breitbart like Stormfront-lite? Surprised to see links to it here
Similar, without the public association with white supremacists and racists in general. But they market to the same audience in general. They are not well regarded for their accuracy or balance.
On July 12 2016 19:20 Surth wrote: what I find so hilarious about the screams of "PC! PC!" is that it shows, in essence, that almost everyone, on every side of the discourse, wishes to show himself to be a victim. Finding virtue in suffering - truly, we are all christians. The melodramatic mode rules us all.
maybe we need some nietzschean belief in tragedy again.
bardtown: I don't worry about "islamic" terrorism in the first place, so I'm not worried about the government calling it by whatever name, so I'm not worried about PC. Sorry.
Projection. Pointing out a societal flaw does not make me a victim. I'm an outside observer, for Christ's sake; how can I be a victim? Also, whether you are worried about Islamic terrorism or not is just a sideline, as PC culture is ubiquitous.
ok i'll bite
can you actually pick and choose a few contexts where you think PC culture is especially damaging?
In the UK there is one single example which is completely damning, whereby 1,400 young girls were abused by Pakistani muslim men, over the span of a decade, because the police in Rotherham did not want to be seen as racist.
In the US you have things like boys being drugged into submission for behaving like boys (because, of course, there are absolutely no differences between boys and girls).
Why would we blame “PC culture” rather than blame the police for putting their own public image over the safety of children? Why blame some ethereal concept when there are very real people to blame for what happened?
It is not an isolated incident. The same story was repeated in other towns, and will be uncovered in more to come. This is not a few individual instances of misconduct, it is a pervasive attitude to muslims in the UK. Local councils were complicit, as were media who portrayed everybody who brought the issue up as racists.
We have also allowed "unofficial" sharia courts to be instated, which treat women's testimony as being half as valuable as men's testiomy, and enforce arranged marriages, etc. The entire establishment are too scared to call a spade a spade. By which I mean that they are too scared to call a backwards culture a backwards culture.
We don't have sharia courts in the UK.
There are "unofficial" ones in small Muslim community's, some of which have been reported on mainstream TV media. It didn't look like your usual Sharia court which you would have in Muslim country's though, both men and women got to have a equal say from what was shown.
Usually the sharia law crowd are crying about the 1996 Arbitration Act. In either case though it is neither a court nor a law. It is people choosing to follow their religious teachings in their own lives and communities. Not really much that can or should be done about that.
On July 12 2016 23:47 Reaps wrote: Meanwhile the first two migrants convicted of sexual assault at the Cologne attacks walked free with a suspended sentence.
On July 12 2016 19:20 Surth wrote: what I find so hilarious about the screams of "PC! PC!" is that it shows, in essence, that almost everyone, on every side of the discourse, wishes to show himself to be a victim. Finding virtue in suffering - truly, we are all christians. The melodramatic mode rules us all.
maybe we need some nietzschean belief in tragedy again.
bardtown: I don't worry about "islamic" terrorism in the first place, so I'm not worried about the government calling it by whatever name, so I'm not worried about PC. Sorry.
Projection. Pointing out a societal flaw does not make me a victim. I'm an outside observer, for Christ's sake; how can I be a victim? Also, whether you are worried about Islamic terrorism or not is just a sideline, as PC culture is ubiquitous.
ok i'll bite
can you actually pick and choose a few contexts where you think PC culture is especially damaging?
In the UK there is one single example which is completely damning, whereby 1,400 young girls were abused by Pakistani muslim men, over the span of a decade, because the police in Rotherham did not want to be seen as racist.
In the US you have things like boys being drugged into submission for behaving like boys (because, of course, there are absolutely no differences between boys and girls).
Why would we blame “PC culture” rather than blame the police for putting their own public image over the safety of children? Why blame some ethereal concept when there are very real people to blame for what happened?
It is not an isolated incident. The same story was repeated in other towns, and will be uncovered in more to come. This is not a few individual instances of misconduct, it is a pervasive attitude to muslims in the UK. Local councils were complicit, as were media who portrayed everybody who brought the issue up as racists.
We have also allowed "unofficial" sharia courts to be instated, which treat women's testimony as being half as valuable as men's testiomy, and enforce arranged marriages, etc. The entire establishment are too scared to call a spade a spade. By which I mean that they are too scared to call a backwards culture a backwards culture.
We don't have sharia courts in the UK.
There are "unofficial" ones in small Muslim community's, some of which have been reported on mainstream TV media. It didn't look like your usual Sharia court which you would have in Muslim country's though, both men and women got to have a equal say from what was shown.
From what was shown. The ones you want to be concerned about are the ones which would never allow media in in the first place. He's nitpicking, though, because they call themselves 'councils'.
People, off their own volition (more or less), chose to have a 3e party arbitrate disputes in a completely non-binding manner.
In legal terms it is no different then asking friend A to arbitrate an argument you have with friend B about which Pokemon is better.
EPT
