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The issue stems from lack of awareness that the internet is a series of echo chambers. You see this in fandom all the time. A comic/video game/TV show will have 5-10 million viewers/readers/players. But the subreddit will consider themselves the entire community with 50k subscribers. A video on youtube will have 2 million views, but someone will cite 30k dislikes to show that the video is hated. Our ability to section ourselves off from alternative views has never been greater. And we generally do not respect how seductive that the behavior of seeking the path of least resistance is. Especially when it comes to views we identify as core to our beliefs.
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On July 12 2016 22:17 kapibara-san wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2016 22:07 xM(Z wrote:
hmm, no psychology shenanigans; to me it's basic physics - you need x amount of energy to do x task; you get that energy from foods and stuff (the brain uses up to 20% of ones body's total haul; that's pretty insane) . the brain's physics is anything but basic i studied physics and this, "the brain uses up to 20% of ones body's total haul; that's pretty insane," while probably true, does not tell you at all about how the brain consumes energy or what mental tasks consume energy in what proportions it's really not useful to use the literal scientific physical definition of energy in this context and if you're talking about basic physics, then you can't actually deny conservation of energy...
just an addendum because this is off topic now so i won't pursue it further: brain uses two thirds of its energy consumption on neuron firing and one third on cell maintenance(as a tangent http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3265709 on verbal fluency and brain energy consumption).
your last statement is ... pending a context. done, GG.
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On July 12 2016 22:42 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2016 22:35 NukeD wrote:On July 12 2016 22:18 kapibara-san wrote:On July 12 2016 22:16 bardtown wrote:On July 12 2016 19:20 Surth wrote:
what I find so hilarious about the screams of "PC! PC!" is that it shows, in essence, that almost everyone, on every side of the discourse, wishes to show himself to be a victim. Finding virtue in suffering - truly, we are all christians. The melodramatic mode rules us all.
maybe we need some nietzschean belief in tragedy again.
bardtown: I don't worry about "islamic" terrorism in the first place, so I'm not worried about the government calling it by whatever name, so I'm not worried about PC. Sorry. Projection. Pointing out a societal flaw does not make me a victim. I'm an outside observer, for Christ's sake; how can I be a victim? Also, whether you are worried about Islamic terrorism or not is just a sideline, as PC culture is ubiquitous. ok i'll bite can you actually pick and choose a few contexts where you think PC culture is especially damaging? Hiding Cologne mass rape from publjc and Britains pakistani rape gangs. What was hidden there? What part of the public missed it being on the frontpages for like a month?
The incident was hidden and was only reported on after people started spreading the incident all over social media.
It was like that in Sweden aswell.
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On July 12 2016 23:05 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2016 22:42 mahrgell wrote:On July 12 2016 22:35 NukeD wrote:On July 12 2016 22:18 kapibara-san wrote:On July 12 2016 22:16 bardtown wrote:On July 12 2016 19:20 Surth wrote:
what I find so hilarious about the screams of "PC! PC!" is that it shows, in essence, that almost everyone, on every side of the discourse, wishes to show himself to be a victim. Finding virtue in suffering - truly, we are all christians. The melodramatic mode rules us all.
maybe we need some nietzschean belief in tragedy again.
bardtown: I don't worry about "islamic" terrorism in the first place, so I'm not worried about the government calling it by whatever name, so I'm not worried about PC. Sorry. Projection. Pointing out a societal flaw does not make me a victim. I'm an outside observer, for Christ's sake; how can I be a victim? Also, whether you are worried about Islamic terrorism or not is just a sideline, as PC culture is ubiquitous. ok i'll bite can you actually pick and choose a few contexts where you think PC culture is especially damaging? Hiding Cologne mass rape from publjc and Britains pakistani rape gangs. What was hidden there? What part of the public missed it being on the frontpages for like a month? The incident was hidden and was only reported on after people started spreading the incident all over social media.
Who hid it?
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On July 12 2016 23:08 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2016 23:05 NukeD wrote:On July 12 2016 22:42 mahrgell wrote:On July 12 2016 22:35 NukeD wrote:On July 12 2016 22:18 kapibara-san wrote:On July 12 2016 22:16 bardtown wrote:On July 12 2016 19:20 Surth wrote:
what I find so hilarious about the screams of "PC! PC!" is that it shows, in essence, that almost everyone, on every side of the discourse, wishes to show himself to be a victim. Finding virtue in suffering - truly, we are all christians. The melodramatic mode rules us all.
maybe we need some nietzschean belief in tragedy again.
bardtown: I don't worry about "islamic" terrorism in the first place, so I'm not worried about the government calling it by whatever name, so I'm not worried about PC. Sorry. Projection. Pointing out a societal flaw does not make me a victim. I'm an outside observer, for Christ's sake; how can I be a victim? Also, whether you are worried about Islamic terrorism or not is just a sideline, as PC culture is ubiquitous. ok i'll bite can you actually pick and choose a few contexts where you think PC culture is especially damaging? Hiding Cologne mass rape from publjc and Britains pakistani rape gangs. What was hidden there? What part of the public missed it being on the frontpages for like a month? The incident was hidden and was only reported on after people started spreading the incident all over social media. Who hid it?
Police and media.
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Elizabeth Warren just scored a victory in her battle to keep bankers out of Washington jobs.
Tucked into the Democrats’ draft party platform is a pledge long promoted by the liberal Massachusetts senator that could limit Wall Street’s influence in a Hillary Clinton administration.
Under the header of fixing the financial system, Democrats adopted Warren’s mantra that “personnel is policy,” vowing to only appoint officials “who are not beholden to the industries they regulate." The language could give progressives ammunition to oppose any prospective agency officials who they do not think will act in the public interest.
The move follows years of pushback by Warren and other liberal Democrats against President Barack Obama's appointment of financial industry insiders to key economic posts.
Now, Democrats as a party are signaling that they want to make it harder for Wall Street sympathizers to get top jobs in Washington. They say they are seeking ”people with a track record of standing up to power and safeguarding the public trust."
"That commitment is a huge deal, as it means that Clinton embraces the idea that hiring skeptics of corporate misbehavior is a key metric to assess her administration,” said Jeff Hauser, director of the Revolving Door Project, a nonprofit that scrutinizes executive-branch appointments. "The high-profile nature of this platform fight and this specific language makes it much more consequential than little-noticed language in past platforms."
Warren didn’t respond to a request for comment. Clinton’s campaign declined to comment.
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On July 12 2016 23:09 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2016 23:08 Plansix wrote:On July 12 2016 23:05 NukeD wrote:On July 12 2016 22:42 mahrgell wrote:On July 12 2016 22:35 NukeD wrote:On July 12 2016 22:18 kapibara-san wrote:On July 12 2016 22:16 bardtown wrote:On July 12 2016 19:20 Surth wrote:
what I find so hilarious about the screams of "PC! PC!" is that it shows, in essence, that almost everyone, on every side of the discourse, wishes to show himself to be a victim. Finding virtue in suffering - truly, we are all christians. The melodramatic mode rules us all.
maybe we need some nietzschean belief in tragedy again.
bardtown: I don't worry about "islamic" terrorism in the first place, so I'm not worried about the government calling it by whatever name, so I'm not worried about PC. Sorry. Projection. Pointing out a societal flaw does not make me a victim. I'm an outside observer, for Christ's sake; how can I be a victim? Also, whether you are worried about Islamic terrorism or not is just a sideline, as PC culture is ubiquitous. ok i'll bite can you actually pick and choose a few contexts where you think PC culture is especially damaging? Hiding Cologne mass rape from publjc and Britains pakistani rape gangs. What was hidden there? What part of the public missed it being on the frontpages for like a month? The incident was hidden and was only reported on after people started spreading the incident all over social media. Who hid it? Police and media.
It was reported on the 1st of January basically all day. Yeah. Totally hidden. Seriously...
Only because some people were still having a hangover and wouldn't have noticed a bomb explosion under their bed does not mean it was hidden from them.
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On July 12 2016 23:09 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2016 23:08 Plansix wrote:On July 12 2016 23:05 NukeD wrote:On July 12 2016 22:42 mahrgell wrote:On July 12 2016 22:35 NukeD wrote:On July 12 2016 22:18 kapibara-san wrote:On July 12 2016 22:16 bardtown wrote:On July 12 2016 19:20 Surth wrote:
what I find so hilarious about the screams of "PC! PC!" is that it shows, in essence, that almost everyone, on every side of the discourse, wishes to show himself to be a victim. Finding virtue in suffering - truly, we are all christians. The melodramatic mode rules us all.
maybe we need some nietzschean belief in tragedy again.
bardtown: I don't worry about "islamic" terrorism in the first place, so I'm not worried about the government calling it by whatever name, so I'm not worried about PC. Sorry. Projection. Pointing out a societal flaw does not make me a victim. I'm an outside observer, for Christ's sake; how can I be a victim? Also, whether you are worried about Islamic terrorism or not is just a sideline, as PC culture is ubiquitous. ok i'll bite can you actually pick and choose a few contexts where you think PC culture is especially damaging? Hiding Cologne mass rape from publjc and Britains pakistani rape gangs. What was hidden there? What part of the public missed it being on the frontpages for like a month? The incident was hidden and was only reported on after people started spreading the incident all over social media. Who hid it? Police and media.
The police don’t report every crime to the public and generally try to keep rape cases low profile for the victim’s sake. Do you have any proof a media outlet had the story and willfully withheld it?
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On July 12 2016 23:14 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2016 23:09 NukeD wrote:On July 12 2016 23:08 Plansix wrote:On July 12 2016 23:05 NukeD wrote:On July 12 2016 22:42 mahrgell wrote:On July 12 2016 22:35 NukeD wrote:On July 12 2016 22:18 kapibara-san wrote:On July 12 2016 22:16 bardtown wrote:On July 12 2016 19:20 Surth wrote:
what I find so hilarious about the screams of "PC! PC!" is that it shows, in essence, that almost everyone, on every side of the discourse, wishes to show himself to be a victim. Finding virtue in suffering - truly, we are all christians. The melodramatic mode rules us all.
maybe we need some nietzschean belief in tragedy again.
bardtown: I don't worry about "islamic" terrorism in the first place, so I'm not worried about the government calling it by whatever name, so I'm not worried about PC. Sorry. Projection. Pointing out a societal flaw does not make me a victim. I'm an outside observer, for Christ's sake; how can I be a victim? Also, whether you are worried about Islamic terrorism or not is just a sideline, as PC culture is ubiquitous. ok i'll bite can you actually pick and choose a few contexts where you think PC culture is especially damaging? Hiding Cologne mass rape from publjc and Britains pakistani rape gangs. What was hidden there? What part of the public missed it being on the frontpages for like a month? The incident was hidden and was only reported on after people started spreading the incident all over social media. Who hid it? Police and media. It was reported on the 1st of January basically all day. Yeah. Totally hidden. Seriously... Only because some people were still having a hangover and wouldn't have noticed a bomb explosion under their bed does not mean it was hidden from them.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year's_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany
The Cologne assaults were not reported by the national media for days, and The Local says many news outlets started reporting it only after a wave of anger on social media made covering the story unavoidable.[43] Although Cologne Mayor Henriette Reker condemned the assaults, she was strongly criticized for some of her comments and was accused of blaming the victims. Cologne's police chief, Wolfgang Albers, was transferred to provisional retirement for his handling of the situation. The police response and delayed media reaction met strong criticism from German citizens, with some placing blame on the European migrant crisis.[28] The governments of Slovakia and the Czech Republic have called for an emergency EU meeting following these events and various other EU governments made statements concerning the attacks.
This is from wikipedia article. There are lots of other sources but I used up my phone Internet and can't open any bigger page.
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There's that proving a negative thing again, and from a single source with a distinct anti-immigration stance no less.
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That isn’t proof the media withheld the information, only that they were not aware of it for days. And it’s not like the school is going to rush to tell the media about a sexual assault, considering media attention is generally negative for the victims. Same with the police, who generally prefer that the media not be neck deep in an investigation.
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On July 12 2016 23:17 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2016 23:14 mahrgell wrote:On July 12 2016 23:09 NukeD wrote:On July 12 2016 23:08 Plansix wrote:On July 12 2016 23:05 NukeD wrote:On July 12 2016 22:42 mahrgell wrote:On July 12 2016 22:35 NukeD wrote:On July 12 2016 22:18 kapibara-san wrote:On July 12 2016 22:16 bardtown wrote:On July 12 2016 19:20 Surth wrote:
what I find so hilarious about the screams of "PC! PC!" is that it shows, in essence, that almost everyone, on every side of the discourse, wishes to show himself to be a victim. Finding virtue in suffering - truly, we are all christians. The melodramatic mode rules us all.
maybe we need some nietzschean belief in tragedy again.
bardtown: I don't worry about "islamic" terrorism in the first place, so I'm not worried about the government calling it by whatever name, so I'm not worried about PC. Sorry. Projection. Pointing out a societal flaw does not make me a victim. I'm an outside observer, for Christ's sake; how can I be a victim? Also, whether you are worried about Islamic terrorism or not is just a sideline, as PC culture is ubiquitous. ok i'll bite can you actually pick and choose a few contexts where you think PC culture is especially damaging? Hiding Cologne mass rape from publjc and Britains pakistani rape gangs. What was hidden there? What part of the public missed it being on the frontpages for like a month? The incident was hidden and was only reported on after people started spreading the incident all over social media. Who hid it? Police and media. It was reported on the 1st of January basically all day. Yeah. Totally hidden. Seriously... Only because some people were still having a hangover and wouldn't have noticed a bomb explosion under their bed does not mean it was hidden from them. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year's_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_GermanyShow nested quote +The Cologne assaults were not reported by the national media for days, and The Local says many news outlets started reporting it only after a wave of anger on social media made covering the story unavoidable.[43] Although Cologne Mayor Henriette Reker condemned the assaults, she was strongly criticized for some of her comments and was accused of blaming the victims. Cologne's police chief, Wolfgang Albers, was transferred to provisional retirement for his handling of the situation. The police response and delayed media reaction met strong criticism from German citizens, with some placing blame on the European migrant crisis.[28] The governments of Slovakia and the Czech Republic have called for an emergency EU meeting following these events and various other EU governments made statements concerning the attacks. This is from wikipedia article. There are lots of other sources but I used up my phone Internet and can't open any bigger page.
It was reported, that something happened on the 1st of January. Just nobody knew details. Police confirmed incidents on the 2nd. But guess what. There was no journalist present, so yes, the media did not know the full extent to what happened. And Police massively lacked presence too so they were pretty clueless.
There is nothing about hiding, there is just something about "we do not report, what we don't know/can not confirm". But you have proven well enough, that you don't care about such things and just love to shoot in the wind.
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Cologne is a bad example, I think those unrelated to politics are much better like the case of x-men movie poster or even our own little starcraft scandal with Kas tweeting about rape (I'm not defending the tweet, I mean people who took it seriously, reaaaally seriously).
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On July 12 2016 23:23 Plansix wrote:
That isn’t proof the media withheld the information, only that they were not aware of it for days. And it’s not like the school is going to rush to tell the media about a sexual assault, considering media attention is generally negative for the victims. Same with the police, who generally prefer that the media not be neck deep in an investigation.
Normally I would agree with you but I am sceptical because the same thing happened in the UK and Sweden.
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The problem is that those instances are not serious and have relatively little impact on the actual well-being of individuals. Folks complaining about racial or genderized overtones in advertisements or expressions are one thing; actually substantiating the claim that "PC culture" is doing real harm is another.
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On July 12 2016 22:18 kapibara-san wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2016 22:16 bardtown wrote:On July 12 2016 19:20 Surth wrote:
what I find so hilarious about the screams of "PC! PC!" is that it shows, in essence, that almost everyone, on every side of the discourse, wishes to show himself to be a victim. Finding virtue in suffering - truly, we are all christians. The melodramatic mode rules us all.
maybe we need some nietzschean belief in tragedy again.
bardtown: I don't worry about "islamic" terrorism in the first place, so I'm not worried about the government calling it by whatever name, so I'm not worried about PC. Sorry. Projection. Pointing out a societal flaw does not make me a victim. I'm an outside observer, for Christ's sake; how can I be a victim? Also, whether you are worried about Islamic terrorism or not is just a sideline, as PC culture is ubiquitous. ok i'll bite can you actually pick and choose a few contexts where you think PC culture is especially damaging?
In the UK there is one single example which is completely damning, whereby 1,400 young girls were abused by Pakistani muslim men, over the span of a decade, because the police in Rotherham did not want to be seen as racist.
In the US you have things like boys being drugged into submission for behaving like boys (because, of course, there are absolutely no differences between boys and girls).
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On July 12 2016 22:42 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2016 22:35 NukeD wrote:On July 12 2016 22:18 kapibara-san wrote:On July 12 2016 22:16 bardtown wrote:On July 12 2016 19:20 Surth wrote:
what I find so hilarious about the screams of "PC! PC!" is that it shows, in essence, that almost everyone, on every side of the discourse, wishes to show himself to be a victim. Finding virtue in suffering - truly, we are all christians. The melodramatic mode rules us all.
maybe we need some nietzschean belief in tragedy again.
bardtown: I don't worry about "islamic" terrorism in the first place, so I'm not worried about the government calling it by whatever name, so I'm not worried about PC. Sorry. Projection. Pointing out a societal flaw does not make me a victim. I'm an outside observer, for Christ's sake; how can I be a victim? Also, whether you are worried about Islamic terrorism or not is just a sideline, as PC culture is ubiquitous. ok i'll bite can you actually pick and choose a few contexts where you think PC culture is especially damaging? Hiding Cologne mass rape from publjc and Britains pakistani rape gangs. What was hidden there? What part of the public missed it being on the frontpages for like a month?
I think he's referring to the police statement after new years eve, which pretty much read like "All good, nothing special happened.". But I guess this is more due to the police failing on doing their job right and trying to cover up, not because the culprits were muslim.
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On July 12 2016 23:24 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2016 23:17 NukeD wrote:On July 12 2016 23:14 mahrgell wrote:On July 12 2016 23:09 NukeD wrote:On July 12 2016 23:08 Plansix wrote:On July 12 2016 23:05 NukeD wrote:On July 12 2016 22:42 mahrgell wrote:On July 12 2016 22:35 NukeD wrote:On July 12 2016 22:18 kapibara-san wrote:On July 12 2016 22:16 bardtown wrote:
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Projection. Pointing out a societal flaw does not make me a victim. I'm an outside observer, for Christ's sake; how can I be a victim? Also, whether you are worried about Islamic terrorism or not is just a sideline, as PC culture is ubiquitous. ok i'll bite can you actually pick and choose a few contexts where you think PC culture is especially damaging? Hiding Cologne mass rape from publjc and Britains pakistani rape gangs. What was hidden there? What part of the public missed it being on the frontpages for like a month? The incident was hidden and was only reported on after people started spreading the incident all over social media. Who hid it? Police and media. It was reported on the 1st of January basically all day. Yeah. Totally hidden. Seriously... Only because some people were still having a hangover and wouldn't have noticed a bomb explosion under their bed does not mean it was hidden from them. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year's_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_GermanyThe Cologne assaults were not reported by the national media for days, and The Local says many news outlets started reporting it only after a wave of anger on social media made covering the story unavoidable.[43] Although Cologne Mayor Henriette Reker condemned the assaults, she was strongly criticized for some of her comments and was accused of blaming the victims. Cologne's police chief, Wolfgang Albers, was transferred to provisional retirement for his handling of the situation. The police response and delayed media reaction met strong criticism from German citizens, with some placing blame on the European migrant crisis.[28] The governments of Slovakia and the Czech Republic have called for an emergency EU meeting following these events and various other EU governments made statements concerning the attacks. This is from wikipedia article. There are lots of other sources but I used up my phone Internet and can't open any bigger page. It was reported, that something happened on the 1st of January. Just nobody knew details. Police confirmed incidents on the 2nd. But guess what. There was no journalist present, so yes, the media did not know the full extent to what happened. And Police massively lacked presence too so they were pretty clueless. There is nothing about hiding, there is just something about "we do not report, what we don't know/can not confirm". But you have proven well enough, that you don't care about such things and just love to shoot in the wind.
Obviously you would know better than me since you are from Germany. I am just reproducing what was reported here in Croatia and what I read from internet (such as the wiki). I believe I had enough ground to make the statement and by all means you are welcome to disprove them and I am open to being educated on the subject so there is no need for personal attacks.
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On July 12 2016 23:29 bardtown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2016 22:18 kapibara-san wrote:On July 12 2016 22:16 bardtown wrote:On July 12 2016 19:20 Surth wrote:
what I find so hilarious about the screams of "PC! PC!" is that it shows, in essence, that almost everyone, on every side of the discourse, wishes to show himself to be a victim. Finding virtue in suffering - truly, we are all christians. The melodramatic mode rules us all.
maybe we need some nietzschean belief in tragedy again.
bardtown: I don't worry about "islamic" terrorism in the first place, so I'm not worried about the government calling it by whatever name, so I'm not worried about PC. Sorry. Projection. Pointing out a societal flaw does not make me a victim. I'm an outside observer, for Christ's sake; how can I be a victim? Also, whether you are worried about Islamic terrorism or not is just a sideline, as PC culture is ubiquitous. ok i'll bite can you actually pick and choose a few contexts where you think PC culture is especially damaging? In the UK there is one single example which is completely damning, whereby 1,400 young girls were abused by Pakistani muslim men, over the span of a decade, because the police in Rotherham did not want to be seen as racist. In the US you have things like boys being drugged into submission for behaving like boys (because, of course, there are absolutely no differences between boys and girls).
Why would we blame “PC culture” rather than blame the police for putting their own public image over the safety of children? Why blame some ethereal concept when there are very real people to blame for what happened?
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On July 12 2016 23:34 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2016 23:29 bardtown wrote:On July 12 2016 22:18 kapibara-san wrote:On July 12 2016 22:16 bardtown wrote:On July 12 2016 19:20 Surth wrote:
what I find so hilarious about the screams of "PC! PC!" is that it shows, in essence, that almost everyone, on every side of the discourse, wishes to show himself to be a victim. Finding virtue in suffering - truly, we are all christians. The melodramatic mode rules us all.
maybe we need some nietzschean belief in tragedy again.
bardtown: I don't worry about "islamic" terrorism in the first place, so I'm not worried about the government calling it by whatever name, so I'm not worried about PC. Sorry. Projection. Pointing out a societal flaw does not make me a victim. I'm an outside observer, for Christ's sake; how can I be a victim? Also, whether you are worried about Islamic terrorism or not is just a sideline, as PC culture is ubiquitous. ok i'll bite can you actually pick and choose a few contexts where you think PC culture is especially damaging? In the UK there is one single example which is completely damning, whereby 1,400 young girls were abused by Pakistani muslim men, over the span of a decade, because the police in Rotherham did not want to be seen as racist. In the US you have things like boys being drugged into submission for behaving like boys (because, of course, there are absolutely no differences between boys and girls). Why would we blame “PC culture” rather than blame the police for putting their own public image over the safety of children? Why blame some ethereal concept when there are very real people to blame for what happened?
Really you cant see the connection? Damn.
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