|
Read the rules in the OP before posting, please.In order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a re-read to refresh your memory! The vast majority of you are contributing in a healthy way, keep it up! NOTE: When providing a source, explain why you feel it is relevant and what purpose it adds to the discussion if it's not obvious. Also take note that unsubstantiated tweets/posts meant only to rekindle old arguments can result in a mod action. |
On June 11 2016 06:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2016 03:52 NukeD wrote:On June 11 2016 03:34 Biff The Understudy wrote:On June 11 2016 03:26 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 11 2016 03:22 Biff The Understudy wrote:On June 11 2016 03:15 Mohdoo wrote:Europeans are better informed on American politics than Americans  Look at it from the good side, everyone is taking interest in what happens in your country (on a slightly more cynical note, maybe people around the globe are just shit scared of having that orange clown anywhere near the nuclear button.) Yea because the 'she's often forgetful' crook voting for NAFTA and the Iraq war and the Libyan crisis (leading to the rise of ISIL) is better judgment and safer around nuclear codes. If you want to just flame the candidate you don't support like it's an obvious choice this works both ways. + Show Spoiler + You really think Trump has as good a judgment as Hillary on foreign politics? We talk of a guy who boast about carpet bombing the middle east, torturing prisoners and killing civilian if they are on the family of a bad guy. I don't like Clinton hawkish positions, just as I don't like Obama's drone war and the way he has dealt with pretty much everything on foreign affairs. But that's America, and that won't change. There is a continuity in American foreign policies since the Vietnam war (again, with the exception of Bush, for the worst, he was a special case). Reagan, Bush father, Clinton, Obama, all have basically be on the same line when it comes to foreign affairs, and Hillary will carry on. I don't like it, it really sucks. But Clinton is not a lunatic, and yeah, I don't mind her having the nuclear button close because she won't ever press it. I really do mind in the case of The Donald because frankly, I'm not that sure. I wouldn't have liked to have him in office when 9/11 happened, keeping in mind we had the worst president in over a century. And I repeat myself: back up with facts that Hillary is a crook, thanks. Unless you want to transform that debate into schoolboy taunts, as Trump is currently doing. This whole thing boils down to whether you are satisfied with current state of countries, globalism, capitalism, mega corporations and where all that heads to, or you want change. I think we live in an era where capitalism is under a big microscope of the general population, where people feel it has reached an end of the spectrum where it serves capital and not the people, and a lot of people want it toned down. Hillary represents "the establishment" and a continuation of these policies, where Trump on the other hand represents an outsider and a change in peoples eyes, for better or for worse. People have again and again had this discourse, and voted for someone who was promising a quick radical change despite being obviously a horrendous person with despicable ideas. My intention is NOT to pull a Godwin, but your reasoning is exactly what Germans were saying when they brought Hitler to power. It's not to say it's the same, but the reasoning "the system is bad, let's have some change" and vote for a lunatic hasn't had a very good record last century.
Yes because Trump is comparible to hitler.
Hitler committed genocide. Trump wants to round up all the illegal immigrants and send them home.
Another similarity, Hitler was imprisoned prior to taking power and wrote the lovely supremacist book titled 'Mein Kampf'
Trump on the other hand was a successful billionaire entrepreneur who employed countless people and wrote a bestseller book on good business practice.
They clearly have so much in common *disappointed sigh*
|
When no one else advocates for war crimes and more torture, he sort of stands out. So yeah.
|
On June 11 2016 07:23 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2016 05:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 11 2016 05:26 biology]major wrote:
Well I'm not just voting for trump because of his personality or character lol, I agree with his positions on immigration, trade and terrorism. My point is I would outright reject a candidate who I feel is not trust worthy, doesn't matter what they say why should I believe them? What are his current positions? I have so much trouble keeping track of which week it is, and with his foot in his mouth every other day I have trouble hearing what he says. I know that his view on terrorism is to purposely kill innocent people and relatives. Sounds really nice. I guess you don't have to worry about collateral damage when you're actually aiming for everyone, terrorist or not! You're literally taking the worst possible interpretation of what he says. How do you think this is a fair way to discuss politics?
He literally said we need to go after their familes....
|
On June 11 2016 07:23 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2016 05:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 11 2016 05:26 biology]major wrote:
Well I'm not just voting for trump because of his personality or character lol, I agree with his positions on immigration, trade and terrorism. My point is I would outright reject a candidate who I feel is not trust worthy, doesn't matter what they say why should I believe them? What are his current positions? I have so much trouble keeping track of which week it is, and with his foot in his mouth every other day I have trouble hearing what he says. I know that his view on terrorism is to purposely kill innocent people and relatives. Sounds really nice. I guess you don't have to worry about collateral damage when you're actually aiming for everyone, terrorist or not! You're literally taking the worst possible interpretation of what he says. How do you think this is a fair way to discuss politics?
"When you get these terrorists you have to take out their families"
His actual live quote
+ Show Spoiler +
Please give me a better interpretation of what he says there.
|
On June 11 2016 06:47 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2016 06:37 xDaunt wrote:On June 11 2016 05:26 biology]major wrote:
Well I'm not just voting for trump because of his personality or character lol, I agree with his positions on immigration, trade and terrorism. My point is I would outright reject a candidate who I feel is not trust worthy, doesn't matter what they say why should I believe them? Don't you just love the contortions that Hillary supporters have to go through to whitewash her past and explain away her duplicitous nature? Also, don't underestimate the significance of the bolded part above. Those are the key Trump issues. He has scored a ton of points with them throughout his campaign, and he's going to continue to score points with them against Hillary. I don't think so. He has won a party gone batshit crazy with batshit crazy propositions. The base of the GOP is so radicalized and so far on the right that it is likely to be seduced by the idea of torturing people, killing civilians, banning muslims, bullying foreign countries and building a wall that won't be built because it makes 0 sense. The bad news for you guys is that the average american is not as biggoted and ignorant as the base of your party. Those propositions that got him elected by the party simply horrify most people, because they are horrifying. And I won't start to talk about the part where he insulted every minorities with one racist attack after another. That works great to get the votes of a party of angry white men, much less to get elected to the highest office of such a diverse country.
I am genuinely baffled that you believe all of these things and presume to think you're coming at this with an open mind.
Can you cite some examples of his racist attacks?
Also there are millions of non-whites and females in the republican party whenever you liberals love spewing that myth it just makes you look uneducated and biased.
|
On June 11 2016 06:56 farvacola wrote:Trump's base is not like you, xDaunt, I promise 
Glad we have you to tell us all about how terrible his base is.
|
On June 11 2016 07:30 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2016 06:47 Biff The Understudy wrote:On June 11 2016 06:37 xDaunt wrote:On June 11 2016 05:26 biology]major wrote:
Well I'm not just voting for trump because of his personality or character lol, I agree with his positions on immigration, trade and terrorism. My point is I would outright reject a candidate who I feel is not trust worthy, doesn't matter what they say why should I believe them? Don't you just love the contortions that Hillary supporters have to go through to whitewash her past and explain away her duplicitous nature? Also, don't underestimate the significance of the bolded part above. Those are the key Trump issues. He has scored a ton of points with them throughout his campaign, and he's going to continue to score points with them against Hillary. I don't think so. He has won a party gone batshit crazy with batshit crazy propositions. The base of the GOP is so radicalized and so far on the right that it is likely to be seduced by the idea of torturing people, killing civilians, banning muslims, bullying foreign countries and building a wall that won't be built because it makes 0 sense. The bad news for you guys is that the average american is not as biggoted and ignorant as the base of your party. Those propositions that got him elected by the party simply horrify most people, because they are horrifying. And I won't start to talk about the part where he insulted every minorities with one racist attack after another. That works great to get the votes of a party of angry white men, much less to get elected to the highest office of such a diverse country. I am genuinely baffled that you believe all of these things and presume to think you're coming at this with an open mind. Can you cite some examples of his racist attacks? Also there are millions of non-whites and females in the republican party whenever you liberals love spewing that myth it just makes you look uneducated and biased.
Bro, you come here every day asking the same questions. Every day we provide you with things we feel make him racist. Every day you deny it makes him racist.
We think he is racist. You don’t. We have accepted this. You need to.
|
On June 11 2016 07:23 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2016 05:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 11 2016 05:26 biology]major wrote:
Well I'm not just voting for trump because of his personality or character lol, I agree with his positions on immigration, trade and terrorism. My point is I would outright reject a candidate who I feel is not trust worthy, doesn't matter what they say why should I believe them? What are his current positions? I have so much trouble keeping track of which week it is, and with his foot in his mouth every other day I have trouble hearing what he says. I know that his view on terrorism is to purposely kill innocent people and relatives. Sounds really nice. I guess you don't have to worry about collateral damage when you're actually aiming for everyone, terrorist or not! You're literally taking the worst possible interpretation of what he says. How do you think this is a fair way to discuss politics?
I'm not sure why you keep denying things that Trump explicitly says and does, but you're one of like ten people left in existence who seems to think that he doesn't say and do bigoted and racist things. He also explicitly said what I posted; it's not an interpretation. Gorsameth posted the direct soundbite, and it's not even the only time he's said things like that.
|
United States43129 Posts
On June 11 2016 07:26 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2016 06:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:On June 11 2016 03:52 NukeD wrote:On June 11 2016 03:34 Biff The Understudy wrote:On June 11 2016 03:26 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 11 2016 03:22 Biff The Understudy wrote:On June 11 2016 03:15 Mohdoo wrote:Europeans are better informed on American politics than Americans Look at it from the good side, everyone is taking interest in what happens in your country (on a slightly more cynical note, maybe people around the globe are just shit scared of having that orange clown anywhere near the nuclear button.) Yea because the 'she's often forgetful' crook voting for NAFTA and the Iraq war and the Libyan crisis (leading to the rise of ISIL) is better judgment and safer around nuclear codes. If you want to just flame the candidate you don't support like it's an obvious choice this works both ways. + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqLxhNj9oyA You really think Trump has as good a judgment as Hillary on foreign politics? We talk of a guy who boast about carpet bombing the middle east, torturing prisoners and killing civilian if they are on the family of a bad guy. I don't like Clinton hawkish positions, just as I don't like Obama's drone war and the way he has dealt with pretty much everything on foreign affairs. But that's America, and that won't change. There is a continuity in American foreign policies since the Vietnam war (again, with the exception of Bush, for the worst, he was a special case). Reagan, Bush father, Clinton, Obama, all have basically be on the same line when it comes to foreign affairs, and Hillary will carry on. I don't like it, it really sucks. But Clinton is not a lunatic, and yeah, I don't mind her having the nuclear button close because she won't ever press it. I really do mind in the case of The Donald because frankly, I'm not that sure. I wouldn't have liked to have him in office when 9/11 happened, keeping in mind we had the worst president in over a century. And I repeat myself: back up with facts that Hillary is a crook, thanks. Unless you want to transform that debate into schoolboy taunts, as Trump is currently doing. This whole thing boils down to whether you are satisfied with current state of countries, globalism, capitalism, mega corporations and where all that heads to, or you want change. I think we live in an era where capitalism is under a big microscope of the general population, where people feel it has reached an end of the spectrum where it serves capital and not the people, and a lot of people want it toned down. Hillary represents "the establishment" and a continuation of these policies, where Trump on the other hand represents an outsider and a change in peoples eyes, for better or for worse. People have again and again had this discourse, and voted for someone who was promising a quick radical change despite being obviously a horrendous person with despicable ideas. My intention is NOT to pull a Godwin, but your reasoning is exactly what Germans were saying when they brought Hitler to power. It's not to say it's the same, but the reasoning "the system is bad, let's have some change" and vote for a lunatic hasn't had a very good record last century. Yes because Trump is comparible to hitler. Hitler committed genocide. Trump wants to round up all the illegal immigrants and send them home.
You understand that when people talk about Hitler being brought to power that was actually before the Holocaust, right? Because it seems an awful lot like you don't. The comparison was being made with 1933 Hitler, not 1945 Hitler. And it wasn't ambiguous, not sure how you missed it.
|
On June 11 2016 07:30 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2016 07:23 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 11 2016 05:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 11 2016 05:26 biology]major wrote:
Well I'm not just voting for trump because of his personality or character lol, I agree with his positions on immigration, trade and terrorism. My point is I would outright reject a candidate who I feel is not trust worthy, doesn't matter what they say why should I believe them? What are his current positions? I have so much trouble keeping track of which week it is, and with his foot in his mouth every other day I have trouble hearing what he says. I know that his view on terrorism is to purposely kill innocent people and relatives. Sounds really nice. I guess you don't have to worry about collateral damage when you're actually aiming for everyone, terrorist or not! You're literally taking the worst possible interpretation of what he says. How do you think this is a fair way to discuss politics? "When you get these terrorists you have to take out their families" His actual live quote + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1eXRXL0nkk#t=1m40s Please give me a better interpretation of what he says there.
take out, yknow, as in take out to dinner. butter them up before we get them to convert. teach them the wonders of pork. hey it was just a suggestion.
|
On June 11 2016 07:30 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2016 06:47 Biff The Understudy wrote:On June 11 2016 06:37 xDaunt wrote:On June 11 2016 05:26 biology]major wrote:
Well I'm not just voting for trump because of his personality or character lol, I agree with his positions on immigration, trade and terrorism. My point is I would outright reject a candidate who I feel is not trust worthy, doesn't matter what they say why should I believe them? Don't you just love the contortions that Hillary supporters have to go through to whitewash her past and explain away her duplicitous nature? Also, don't underestimate the significance of the bolded part above. Those are the key Trump issues. He has scored a ton of points with them throughout his campaign, and he's going to continue to score points with them against Hillary. I don't think so. He has won a party gone batshit crazy with batshit crazy propositions. The base of the GOP is so radicalized and so far on the right that it is likely to be seduced by the idea of torturing people, killing civilians, banning muslims, bullying foreign countries and building a wall that won't be built because it makes 0 sense. The bad news for you guys is that the average american is not as biggoted and ignorant as the base of your party. Those propositions that got him elected by the party simply horrify most people, because they are horrifying. And I won't start to talk about the part where he insulted every minorities with one racist attack after another. That works great to get the votes of a party of angry white men, much less to get elected to the highest office of such a diverse country. I am genuinely baffled that you believe all of these things and presume to think you're coming at this with an open mind. Can you cite some examples of his racist attacks?
Have you ever watched the movie Groundhog Day?
|
On June 11 2016 07:26 Plansix wrote:
When no one else advocates for war crimes and more torture, he sort of stands out. So yeah.
Alright let's do something strange and instead of saying he's a psycho who wants to torture people let's actually talk about the policy.
Do you think if we capture high-ranking ISIL officials, we should be able to use any-means-necessary to extract information from them that may prevent future terrorist attacks and save lives?
I do. That does not mean I am a psychopath who loves torture.
I simply would rather not allow another Paris attack to happen, or Belgian airport bombing, or any sort of event involving the murder of masses of innocent people just trying to live their lives by radical islamic terrorists driven by hatred.
This is something Trump is willing to do.
Clinton is not.
Clinton is going to fight for the rights of the terrorist. Trump is going to fight for innocent people. I will vote for Trump's policy over Clinton's any day of the week.
(also just on a funny side-note, Clinton was in favor of this a few years ago but the current Clinton is no longer. just another example of her flip-flopping on everything).
|
On June 11 2016 06:29 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2016 05:26 biology]major wrote:
Well I'm not just voting for trump because of his personality or character lol, I agree with his positions on immigration, trade and terrorism. My point is I would outright reject a candidate who I feel is not trust worthy, doesn't matter what they say why should I believe them? And you think banning all muslims from entering the country is a good idea? And that building a 24 billion dollar wall (plus maintenance, mind you) is a serious proposition, while most illegal immigrant enter the country legally? Like, seriously?
I think "ban all muslims" is better than the left who fail to even say the words islamic terrorists. I am highly against accepting refugees, every day I go through new york subway I fear some crazy lunatic will pull something. I want someone who is serious about it. The people who support ISIS either silently or openly is MUCH greater than what is portrayed by the media. This is obviously true in middle east, there are quite a few ISIS sympathizers there but even in the U.S.! Banning all muslims is actually not feasible, there is no identification for being a muslim. So with trump I know that atleast refugees will be banned, and that is good enough.
24 billion wall, the cost is irrelevant. Seriously the U.S. is 20 trillion in debt, I'm not an economist by anymeans (not a biologist either) but I stopped caring about the debt a long time ago. The wall would have to be either manned 24/7 or patrolled by drones. Either way I don't expect the wall to solve immigration issue, but I think it is a much needed symbol to say fuck you to mexico. A country that has been sending us their worst citizens. Yeah they need to escape their shitty situation and deserve a better life, but the U.S is a sovereign nation with a border. Once the wall is established I think the next step would be visas, it should get the ball rolling though.
|
On June 11 2016 07:33 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2016 07:26 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 11 2016 06:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:On June 11 2016 03:52 NukeD wrote:On June 11 2016 03:34 Biff The Understudy wrote:On June 11 2016 03:26 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 11 2016 03:22 Biff The Understudy wrote:On June 11 2016 03:15 Mohdoo wrote:Europeans are better informed on American politics than Americans Look at it from the good side, everyone is taking interest in what happens in your country (on a slightly more cynical note, maybe people around the globe are just shit scared of having that orange clown anywhere near the nuclear button.) Yea because the 'she's often forgetful' crook voting for NAFTA and the Iraq war and the Libyan crisis (leading to the rise of ISIL) is better judgment and safer around nuclear codes. If you want to just flame the candidate you don't support like it's an obvious choice this works both ways. + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqLxhNj9oyA You really think Trump has as good a judgment as Hillary on foreign politics? We talk of a guy who boast about carpet bombing the middle east, torturing prisoners and killing civilian if they are on the family of a bad guy. I don't like Clinton hawkish positions, just as I don't like Obama's drone war and the way he has dealt with pretty much everything on foreign affairs. But that's America, and that won't change. There is a continuity in American foreign policies since the Vietnam war (again, with the exception of Bush, for the worst, he was a special case). Reagan, Bush father, Clinton, Obama, all have basically be on the same line when it comes to foreign affairs, and Hillary will carry on. I don't like it, it really sucks. But Clinton is not a lunatic, and yeah, I don't mind her having the nuclear button close because she won't ever press it. I really do mind in the case of The Donald because frankly, I'm not that sure. I wouldn't have liked to have him in office when 9/11 happened, keeping in mind we had the worst president in over a century. And I repeat myself: back up with facts that Hillary is a crook, thanks. Unless you want to transform that debate into schoolboy taunts, as Trump is currently doing. This whole thing boils down to whether you are satisfied with current state of countries, globalism, capitalism, mega corporations and where all that heads to, or you want change. I think we live in an era where capitalism is under a big microscope of the general population, where people feel it has reached an end of the spectrum where it serves capital and not the people, and a lot of people want it toned down. Hillary represents "the establishment" and a continuation of these policies, where Trump on the other hand represents an outsider and a change in peoples eyes, for better or for worse. People have again and again had this discourse, and voted for someone who was promising a quick radical change despite being obviously a horrendous person with despicable ideas. My intention is NOT to pull a Godwin, but your reasoning is exactly what Germans were saying when they brought Hitler to power. It's not to say it's the same, but the reasoning "the system is bad, let's have some change" and vote for a lunatic hasn't had a very good record last century. Yes because Trump is comparible to hitler. Hitler committed genocide. Trump wants to round up all the illegal immigrants and send them home. You understand that when people talk about Hitler being brought to power that was actually before the Holocaust, right? Because it seems an awful lot like you don't. The comparison was being made with 1933 Hitler, not 1945 Hitler. And it wasn't ambiguous, not sure how you missed it.
Did you bother to read the rest of my post before you asked that question?
A little inference would imply I clearly understand he did this after his ascent to power. 1933 Hitler had already been imprisoned and written the Mein Kampf.
I said this in the post you quoted. How did you miss it?
|
On June 11 2016 07:33 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2016 07:30 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 11 2016 06:47 Biff The Understudy wrote:On June 11 2016 06:37 xDaunt wrote:On June 11 2016 05:26 biology]major wrote:
Well I'm not just voting for trump because of his personality or character lol, I agree with his positions on immigration, trade and terrorism. My point is I would outright reject a candidate who I feel is not trust worthy, doesn't matter what they say why should I believe them? Don't you just love the contortions that Hillary supporters have to go through to whitewash her past and explain away her duplicitous nature? Also, don't underestimate the significance of the bolded part above. Those are the key Trump issues. He has scored a ton of points with them throughout his campaign, and he's going to continue to score points with them against Hillary. I don't think so. He has won a party gone batshit crazy with batshit crazy propositions. The base of the GOP is so radicalized and so far on the right that it is likely to be seduced by the idea of torturing people, killing civilians, banning muslims, bullying foreign countries and building a wall that won't be built because it makes 0 sense. The bad news for you guys is that the average american is not as biggoted and ignorant as the base of your party. Those propositions that got him elected by the party simply horrify most people, because they are horrifying. And I won't start to talk about the part where he insulted every minorities with one racist attack after another. That works great to get the votes of a party of angry white men, much less to get elected to the highest office of such a diverse country. I am genuinely baffled that you believe all of these things and presume to think you're coming at this with an open mind. Can you cite some examples of his racist attacks? Also there are millions of non-whites and females in the republican party whenever you liberals love spewing that myth it just makes you look uneducated and biased. Bro, you come here every day asking the same questions. Every day we provide you with things we feel make him racist. Every day you deny it makes him racist. We think he is racist. You don’t. We have accepted this. You need to.
I'm still waiting for an example of his racist attacks.
You come in here every day slandering him and his supporters without any sort of reasoning behind your hateful attacks against him.
I accept that you don't think he's a racist. I also accept the fact that you refuse to offer evidence of his racism and that I reserve the right to criticize you on holding irrational views.
|
He also talked about relocating all the Jews and removing them from Germany. I don't think Trump his Hilter, but lets not forget that was the initial pitch. Trump is just a bigot.
Edit: bro, you gunna be waiting a long time because people are getting feed up with playing your little game. Get over it. No one is here to change your mind. You like Trump. We think he is a racist ass clown.
|
On June 11 2016 07:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2016 07:26 Plansix wrote:
When no one else advocates for war crimes and more torture, he sort of stands out. So yeah. Alright let's do something strange and instead of saying he's a psycho who wants to torture people let's actually talk about the policy. Do you think if we capture high-ranking ISIL officials, we should be able to use any-means-necessary to extract information from them that may prevent future terrorist attacks and save lives? I do. That does not mean I am a psychopath who loves torture. I simply would rather not allow another Paris attack to happen, or Belgian airport bombing, or any sort of event involving the murder of masses of innocent people just trying to live their lives by radical islamic terrorists driven by hatred. This is something Trump is willing to do. Clinton is not. Clinton is going to fight for the rights of the terrorist. Trump is going to fight for innocent people. I will vote for Trump's policy over Clinton's any day of the week. (also just on a funny side-note, Clinton was in favor of this a few years ago but the current Clinton is no longer. just another example of her flip-flopping on everything).
So you think we should murder their families to make examples.
You think we fight a 'to PC' war and should throw away the Geneva convention and commit warcrimes.
I heard glassing the middle east would quiet them right down. Would that be acceptable?
See, some of us don't think we should becomes as bad as our worst enemy to fight them. Because are we really any different from them then?
Btw, good to see you gave up so quickly on attempted to provide a different interpretation to his statement and that your instead going with the 'so what' defense.
|
On June 11 2016 07:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2016 07:26 Plansix wrote:
When no one else advocates for war crimes and more torture, he sort of stands out. So yeah. Alright let's do something strange and instead of saying he's a psycho who wants to torture people let's actually talk about the policy. Do you think if we capture high-ranking ISIL officials, we should be able to use any-means-necessary to extract information from them that may prevent future terrorist attacks and save lives? I do. That does not mean I am a psychopath who loves torture. I simply would rather not allow another Paris attack to happen, or Belgian airport bombing, or any sort of event involving the murder of masses of innocent people just trying to live their lives by radical islamic terrorists driven by hatred. This is something Trump is willing to do. Clinton is not. Clinton is going to fight for the rights of the terrorist. Trump is going to fight for innocent people. I will vote for Trump's policy over Clinton's any day of the week. (also just on a funny side-note, Clinton was in favor of this a few years ago but the current Clinton is no longer. just another example of her flip-flopping on everything).
you seem unaware of the ineffectiveness of torture; or of the long-term damage to our principles and image that results from its use.
Trump literally said he'd go after innocent people, in ways that are a war crime.
You esem quite unaware of the point of protecting our values.
|
On June 11 2016 07:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2016 07:26 Plansix wrote:
When no one else advocates for war crimes and more torture, he sort of stands out. So yeah. Do you think if we capture high-ranking ISIL officials, we should be able to use any-means-necessary to extract information from them that may prevent future terrorist attacks and save lives? I do. That does not mean I am a psychopath who loves torture.
We're not saying you love torture, but hating torture while also advocating torture isn't any better. 
And by the way (I always hate making this argument, it reeks of economic thinking), torture isnt even very good at extracting information in the first place. I mean, this is common knowledge even within pop culture, right? There's no point in getting people ot talk if they do not actually know anything, because they will start talking about things they will invent in that very second.
I simply would rather not allow another Paris attack to happen, or Belgian airport bombing, or any sort of event involving the murder of masses of innocent people just trying to live their lives by radical islamic terrorists driven by hatred.
You can't stop terrorism. It's literally impossible.
but I think it is a much needed symbol to say fuck you to mexico. A country that has been sending us their worst citizens.
hahaha. dude.
|
On June 11 2016 07:41 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2016 07:33 Plansix wrote:On June 11 2016 07:30 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 11 2016 06:47 Biff The Understudy wrote:On June 11 2016 06:37 xDaunt wrote:On June 11 2016 05:26 biology]major wrote:
Well I'm not just voting for trump because of his personality or character lol, I agree with his positions on immigration, trade and terrorism. My point is I would outright reject a candidate who I feel is not trust worthy, doesn't matter what they say why should I believe them? Don't you just love the contortions that Hillary supporters have to go through to whitewash her past and explain away her duplicitous nature? Also, don't underestimate the significance of the bolded part above. Those are the key Trump issues. He has scored a ton of points with them throughout his campaign, and he's going to continue to score points with them against Hillary. I don't think so. He has won a party gone batshit crazy with batshit crazy propositions. The base of the GOP is so radicalized and so far on the right that it is likely to be seduced by the idea of torturing people, killing civilians, banning muslims, bullying foreign countries and building a wall that won't be built because it makes 0 sense. The bad news for you guys is that the average american is not as biggoted and ignorant as the base of your party. Those propositions that got him elected by the party simply horrify most people, because they are horrifying. And I won't start to talk about the part where he insulted every minorities with one racist attack after another. That works great to get the votes of a party of angry white men, much less to get elected to the highest office of such a diverse country. I am genuinely baffled that you believe all of these things and presume to think you're coming at this with an open mind. Can you cite some examples of his racist attacks? Also there are millions of non-whites and females in the republican party whenever you liberals love spewing that myth it just makes you look uneducated and biased. Bro, you come here every day asking the same questions. Every day we provide you with things we feel make him racist. Every day you deny it makes him racist. We think he is racist. You don’t. We have accepted this. You need to. I'm still waiting for an example of his racist attacks. You come in here every day slandering him and his supporters without any sort of reasoning behind your hateful attacks against him. I accept that you don't think he's a racist. I also accept the fact that you refuse to offer evidence of his racism and that I reserve the right to criticize you on holding irrational views.
Every day you ask for evidence that Trump is a racist.
Every day we post evidence that Trump is a racist.
Heck, every week there seems to be new evidence that we can add to the ever-growing compilation. We should call these updates "Now That's What I Call Racism!" and we'd have like 20 volumes already.
Nearly every person knows that Trump is a racist.
Except you. You keep dodging all of these statements and actions that Trump makes, as if you're some sort of Denial Neo in the Trump Matrix. What kind of evidence can a person give to someone who doesn't believe in evidence?
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
