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On June 10 2016 02:25 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 02:22 NukeD wrote:
So then is it okay for me to be a racist (hold racist beliefs) if I never act upon it? If you never act on them, then only you know you hold them. Why would you need anyone's approval? And isn't asking for approval acting on those beliefs in some small way?
So by your own definition how is Trump a racist? What has he done and acted on that is 'racist'.
The double-standards of you people just blows my mind.
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On June 10 2016 02:29 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 02:25 Plansix wrote:On June 10 2016 02:22 NukeD wrote:
So then is it okay for me to be a racist (hold racist beliefs) if I never act upon it? If you never act on them, then only you know you hold them. Why would you need anyone's approval? And isn't asking for approval acting on those beliefs in some small way? So by your own definition how is Trump a racist? What has he done and acted on that is 'racist'. The double-standards of you people just blows my mind.
I would say that using racist sentiments to rally people and get people fired up is causing racial tensions.
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On June 10 2016 02:18 Plansix wrote:
Systematic Racism against white people is possible in China. Or another area where non-whites control the system of power. A black person can be bigoted against a white person in the US.
But systemic racism against whites as a whole does not exist in the US at any significantly measurable scale. We hold the majority of power in the country and that benefits us over other demographics.
Just going to have to come up with a new word. Then they can't try to force the old white guy definition down the throat of the people who actually study/deal with it. Being called racist, or being told that black people can't be racist toward white people is the closest many white people come to feeling what racism is like, it's not even a fraction as bad as racism, but look how disturbing it is for them.
I wish just for like a year they could wake up in a world where they actually experienced racism so they could understand the difference thoroughly.
Though that wasn't even what I was saying, that was just a reflexive response on the topic that had nothing to do with my post. I was pointing out that just because some black people do/say something, doesn't mean it's not racist when white people do it, and people should really stop with that absurd reasoning.
Black and Mexican people supporting Trump or some policy does not mean he/it is, by association, unable to be racist or to be advocating racist policies (not a comment on whether he is or not). People need to disabuse themselves of that nonsense already.
EDIT: btw "racist" much like "marriage" hasn't had some static definition forever. It's a relatively recent word and has already been redefined before the professors got to it. Definitions change (welcome to language), this "racism" thing feels like arguing with a second grader about his use of the word "fagot" or "gay".
"But, but, but, the dictionary says..."
"Sit down, and shut up Tommy"
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On June 10 2016 02:29 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 02:25 Plansix wrote:On June 10 2016 02:22 NukeD wrote:
So then is it okay for me to be a racist (hold racist beliefs) if I never act upon it? If you never act on them, then only you know you hold them. Why would you need anyone's approval? And isn't asking for approval acting on those beliefs in some small way? So by your own definition how is Trump a racist? What has he done and acted on that is 'racist'. The double-standards of you people just blows my mind.
I think my opinion of Trump and racism has been pretty clear. And his record as a business owner and the number of times he has been accused and sued for racist practices shows he does not confine his beliefs to thought alone. I never cared much about your approval of my standards either.
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On June 10 2016 02:08 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 02:06 Surth wrote:
The thing is - and I mean this without malice - you don't get to decide whether you a racist or not. Much like I don't get to decide whether I am an asshole or not. You may not feel like you are being racist, that doesn't mean you're not. (and I'm not saying you are.) I like how people with dicks get to self-identify as women, but when it comes to whether someone is racist, we'll let the community decide.
Gender is based on how you view yourself. Racism is based on how you view other people. One is completely subjective to the individual, the other is based on how you treat others and is therefore less subjective.
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On June 10 2016 02:30 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 02:29 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 10 2016 02:25 Plansix wrote:On June 10 2016 02:22 NukeD wrote:
So then is it okay for me to be a racist (hold racist beliefs) if I never act upon it? If you never act on them, then only you know you hold them. Why would you need anyone's approval? And isn't asking for approval acting on those beliefs in some small way? So by your own definition how is Trump a racist? What has he done and acted on that is 'racist'. The double-standards of you people just blows my mind. I would say that using racist sentiments to rally people and get people fired up is causing racial tensions.
How is that racist
and my example of the BLM advocate's tweets advocating 'white genocide' not racist?
IM SO CONFUSED BY THIS PHENOMENON
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On June 10 2016 02:29 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 02:25 Plansix wrote:On June 10 2016 02:22 NukeD wrote:
So then is it okay for me to be a racist (hold racist beliefs) if I never act upon it? If you never act on them, then only you know you hold them. Why would you need anyone's approval? And isn't asking for approval acting on those beliefs in some small way? So by your own definition how is Trump a racist? What has he done and acted on that is 'racist'. The double-standards of you people just blows my mind.
to speak is to act. like a speech act!
On June 10 2016 02:27 xDaunt wrote:
Sure. I am not a fan of subjectivism and its bastard son, moral relativism. I like the objective -- the black and white.
And my comment wasn't necessarily aimed at you (I have no idea what you think about tranny rights). Think of it as a scud missile aimed at the left in general.
moral relativism is dumb (and not as widely spread within "postmodernism" as some people think); objectivity does not exist. So you're halfway there! 
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On June 10 2016 02:31 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 02:18 Plansix wrote:
Systematic Racism against white people is possible in China. Or another area where non-whites control the system of power. A black person can be bigoted against a white person in the US.
But systemic racism against whites as a whole does not exist in the US at any significantly measurable scale. We hold the majority of power in the country and that benefits us over other demographics.
Just going to have to come up with a new word. Then they can't try to force the old white guy definition down the throat of the people who actually study/deal with it . Being called racist, or being told that black people can't be racist toward white people is the closest many white people come to feeling what racism is like, it's not even a fraction as bad as racism, but look how disturbing it is for them. I wish just for like a year they could wake up in a world where they actually experienced racism so they could understand the difference thoroughly.
This is so incredibly racist and hypocritical I don't even know how you can seriously be saying these things.
It's almost as bad as when Bernie literally said in a debate that white people don't know what it's like to be poor and live in poverty.
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On June 10 2016 02:29 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 02:25 Plansix wrote:On June 10 2016 02:22 NukeD wrote:
So then is it okay for me to be a racist (hold racist beliefs) if I never act upon it? If you never act on them, then only you know you hold them. Why would you need anyone's approval? And isn't asking for approval acting on those beliefs in some small way? So by your own definition how is Trump a racist? What has he done and acted on that is 'racist'. The double-standards of you people just blows my mind.
I mean many trump supporters are dumb people who hate non-whites because they bought into the GOP myth that without the ethnics we'd be living in the american dream.
Trump supporters hate mexicans, trump supporters hate black people, and some, I assume, are good people.
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On June 10 2016 02:35 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 02:29 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 10 2016 02:25 Plansix wrote:On June 10 2016 02:22 NukeD wrote:
So then is it okay for me to be a racist (hold racist beliefs) if I never act upon it? If you never act on them, then only you know you hold them. Why would you need anyone's approval? And isn't asking for approval acting on those beliefs in some small way? So by your own definition how is Trump a racist? What has he done and acted on that is 'racist'. The double-standards of you people just blows my mind. I mean many trump supporters are dumb people who hate non-whites because they bought into the GOP myth that without the ethnics we'd be living in the american dream. Trump supporters hate mexicans, trump supporters hate black people, and some, I assume, are good people.
Well played. Well played.
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It's so hilarious the left is calling Trump hitler when this new regressive-left movement is more like the rise of Nazi-era racism than anything from the right.
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FINALLY A CHURCHILL QUOTE. I've been waiting more than 4000 pages!
But seriously dude, you know nothing about nazism, lol.
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On June 10 2016 02:35 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 02:29 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 10 2016 02:25 Plansix wrote:On June 10 2016 02:22 NukeD wrote:
So then is it okay for me to be a racist (hold racist beliefs) if I never act upon it? If you never act on them, then only you know you hold them. Why would you need anyone's approval? And isn't asking for approval acting on those beliefs in some small way? So by your own definition how is Trump a racist? What has he done and acted on that is 'racist'. The double-standards of you people just blows my mind. I mean many trump supporters are dumb people who hate non-whites because they bought into the GOP myth that without the ethnics we'd be living in the american dream. Trump supporters hate mexicans, trump supporters hate black people, and some, I assume, are good people.
'I mean many people opposed to trump are dumb people who think trump supporters actually hate non-whites because they bought into the Democratic Party myth that all republicans and conservatives are racist bible-thumping hicks.'
'Nevertrumpers are uneducated, they are easily manipulated, and some, I assume, are good people.'
Let's avoid these types of useless inflammatory generalizations in the future.
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On June 10 2016 02:32 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 02:30 Mohdoo wrote:On June 10 2016 02:29 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 10 2016 02:25 Plansix wrote:On June 10 2016 02:22 NukeD wrote:
So then is it okay for me to be a racist (hold racist beliefs) if I never act upon it? If you never act on them, then only you know you hold them. Why would you need anyone's approval? And isn't asking for approval acting on those beliefs in some small way? So by your own definition how is Trump a racist? What has he done and acted on that is 'racist'. The double-standards of you people just blows my mind. I would say that using racist sentiments to rally people and get people fired up is causing racial tensions. How is that racist and my example of the BLM advocate's tweets advocating 'white genocide' not racist? IM SO CONFUSED BY THIS PHENOMENON
BLM is trash. I consider BLM to be equally toxic as Trump because of how much BLM has discredited black empowerment movements across the country. There is a certain amount of condescending taboo regarding black rights after BLM. It's similar to how Trump's wall has hurt the effort to crack down on illegal immigration. Someone can't bring up tougher borders without being asked if they support the wall. Same kinda deal with black rights as a result of BLM.
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On June 10 2016 02:39 Surth wrote:
FINALLY A CHURCHILL QUOTE. I've been waiting more than 4000 pages!
But seriously dude, you know nothing about nazism, lol.
I know more about it than the regressive left who actually thinks comparing Trump to Hitler isn't fucking retarded.
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I love it when people attribute quotes to historical figures when here is no record of them saying those things.
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On June 10 2016 02:19 Nyxisto wrote:
racism in any meaningful sense of the word comes from a place of power and is perpetuated by institutions, the police, the education system and so on. In this case you cannot really be racist against white people because what ever you're going to do is always going to stay at the individual level without any wider social repercussions.
Yeah, because power is only reserved for white people of course, where have I heard that before? Can you be racist against Asians or are Asians superprivileged so that kind of prejudice doesn't count either?
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On June 10 2016 02:32 Surth wrote:moral relativism is dumb (and not as widely spread within "postmodernism" as some people think); objectivity does not exist. So you're halfway there!
Questioning the existence of objectivity is an interesting philosophical exercise, but it leads to a complete shit show when applied towards societal governance.
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On June 10 2016 02:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Let's avoid these types of useless inflammatory generalizations in the future.
On June 10 2016 02:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:It's so hilarious the left is calling Trump hitler when this new regressive-left movement is more like the rise of Nazi-era racism than anything from the right.
You're my favorite poster in this thread, by the way.
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The 9th Circuit has just ruled that the 2nd Amendment doesn't guarantee a right to concealed carry.
Also, lol Surth
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