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On June 04 2016 07:55 Plansix wrote:
Its been a while since I seen someone use the term 'breadwinner' without it dripping with irony. And go employ that choice theory out there in the relationship world. Tell me how it works out. I'll wait.
Mostly personal crap to plansix since technically asked. Still waiting on your high tier intellectuals btw. Genuinely eager to read their works so that I can understand your point of view better.
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It's works unbelievably well? Excellent dinners for nearly a decade have ensued, thanks for asking. I buy food thus you must cook the food. Though I like cooking anyway so there's that. It's super simple stuff. Trump's world is a little different. His wife has the choice of working. Complete freedom.
I've had like a total of 3 arguments in over the last decade of relationships, all of them very minor and mature. 0% yelling. All the years very happy.
What is your argument against a free lodger not cooking dinner? Or, is how tersely he put it 'problematic' because it implies a threat of violence may happen. Which of course, would never be ok.
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Horrific non farm payrolls yesterday.
Expected 159,000, Actual 38,000.Prior two months also revised lower.Worst since 2010.
Expect the USA to be in recession by November, allowing Trump to win in a landslide.
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On June 04 2016 08:15 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Horrific non farm payrolls yesterday.
Expected 159,000, Actual 38,000.Prior two months also revised lower.Worst since 2010.
Expect the USA to be in recession by November, allowing Trump to win in a landslide.
Unemployment is at 4.7%. Of course theres more to the story than that, like the Verizon strike and labor participation rate which i mentioned yesterday. Recessions are around the corner when unemployment is this low.
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United States42009 Posts
On June 04 2016 08:15 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Horrific non farm payrolls yesterday.
Expected 159,000, Actual 38,000.Prior two months also revised lower.Worst since 2010.
Expect the USA to be in recession by November, allowing Trump to win in a landslide.
You understand that nobody in this topic gives any credence to your predictions, right? Because every few weeks you make a prediction about the economy and how this thing you read about on zerohedge or whatever is giving you unique insights into the world economy which nobody else can see and nobody responds and the thing doesn't happen. So tell me, why do you do it? Why is the US Politics Megathread where you are hosting your stock tips blog? What can we do to get you to make a geocities site like the other people like you?
You don't have to answer this, I don't actually want to know the answers, I just want you to ask yourself these questions and then maybe, just maybe, stop.
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On June 04 2016 08:20 CorsairHero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 08:15 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Horrific non farm payrolls yesterday.
Expected 159,000, Actual 38,000.Prior two months also revised lower.Worst since 2010.
Expect the USA to be in recession by November, allowing Trump to win in a landslide. Unemployment is at 4.7%. Of course theres more to the story than that, like the Verizon strike and labor participation rate which i mentioned yesterday. Recessions are around the corner when unemployment is this low.
You seriously think unemployment is at 4.7?
Sanders doesn't.
https://berniesanders.com/real-unemployment-above-10-percent-low-wage-workers-hardest-hit/
10% still a low estimate i think but yeah.The unemployment rate dropping from 4.9% to 4.7% in a month where only 38,000 jobs were created is pretty laughable.
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I think the stats are what they are, and are probably more accurate, better sourced, and more clearly defined than your claims on what should constitute "real" unemployment; so I lend them far more credence.
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On June 04 2016 08:27 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 08:20 CorsairHero wrote:On June 04 2016 08:15 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Horrific non farm payrolls yesterday.
Expected 159,000, Actual 38,000.Prior two months also revised lower.Worst since 2010.
Expect the USA to be in recession by November, allowing Trump to win in a landslide. Unemployment is at 4.7%. Of course theres more to the story than that, like the Verizon strike and labor participation rate which i mentioned yesterday. Recessions are around the corner when unemployment is this low. You seriously think unemployment is at 4.7? Sanders doesn't. https://berniesanders.com/real-unemployment-above-10-percent-low-wage-workers-hardest-hit/10% still a low estimate i think but yeah.The unemployment rate dropping from 4.9% to 4.7% in a month where only 38,000 jobs were created is pretty laughable.
Yes of course it's 4.7%. Obviously your definition doesn't match the Feds. Like i said, look at the labor participation rate and other factors for a better picture of what's going on.
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On June 04 2016 08:26 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 08:15 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Horrific non farm payrolls yesterday.
Expected 159,000, Actual 38,000.Prior two months also revised lower.Worst since 2010.
Expect the USA to be in recession by November, allowing Trump to win in a landslide. You understand that nobody in this topic gives any credence to your predictions, right? Because every few weeks you make a prediction about the economy and how this thing you read about on zerohedge or whatever is giving you unique insights into the world economy which nobody else can see and nobody responds and the thing doesn't happen. So tell me, why do you do it? Why is the US Politics Megathread where you are hosting your stock tips blog? What can we do to get you to make a geocities site like the other people like you? You don't have to answer this, I don't actually want to know the answers, I just want you to ask yourself these questions and then maybe, just maybe, stop.
Obama has added 10 trillion to the debt.It doesn't take much insight to see the USA is in huge trouble.While the far left vocal minority wants to make this election about the right for men to use the womens bathroom or whatever the biggest issue is always the economy.It's always #1 in the surveys.
Trump said the same thing two months ago, now we are seeing the numbers truly deteriorate.Must be hard for the far left fringe to swallow.Maybe they could move to Trudeaus liberal paradise if things weren't even worse there.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/us-presidential-election-trump-predicts-massive-recession/news-story/415b4a2f3ce001e77625eab366e088d1
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United States42009 Posts
On June 04 2016 08:36 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 08:26 KwarK wrote:On June 04 2016 08:15 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Horrific non farm payrolls yesterday.
Expected 159,000, Actual 38,000.Prior two months also revised lower.Worst since 2010.
Expect the USA to be in recession by November, allowing Trump to win in a landslide. You understand that nobody in this topic gives any credence to your predictions, right? Because every few weeks you make a prediction about the economy and how this thing you read about on zerohedge or whatever is giving you unique insights into the world economy which nobody else can see and nobody responds and the thing doesn't happen. So tell me, why do you do it? Why is the US Politics Megathread where you are hosting your stock tips blog? What can we do to get you to make a geocities site like the other people like you? You don't have to answer this, I don't actually want to know the answers, I just want you to ask yourself these questions and then maybe, just maybe, stop. I didn't read a single word you said.
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On June 04 2016 08:36 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 08:26 KwarK wrote:On June 04 2016 08:15 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Horrific non farm payrolls yesterday.
Expected 159,000, Actual 38,000.Prior two months also revised lower.Worst since 2010.
Expect the USA to be in recession by November, allowing Trump to win in a landslide. You understand that nobody in this topic gives any credence to your predictions, right? Because every few weeks you make a prediction about the economy and how this thing you read about on zerohedge or whatever is giving you unique insights into the world economy which nobody else can see and nobody responds and the thing doesn't happen. So tell me, why do you do it? Why is the US Politics Megathread where you are hosting your stock tips blog? What can we do to get you to make a geocities site like the other people like you? You don't have to answer this, I don't actually want to know the answers, I just want you to ask yourself these questions and then maybe, just maybe, stop. Obama has added 10 trillion to the debt.It doesn't take much insight to see the USA is in huge trouble.While the far left vocal minority wants to make this election about the right for men to use the womens bathroom or whatever the biggest issue is always the economy.It's always #1 in the surveys. Trump said the same thing two months ago, now we are seeing the numbers truly deteriorate.Must be hard for the far left fringe to swallow.Maybe they could move to Trudeaus liberal paradise if things weren't even worse there. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/us-presidential-election-trump-predicts-massive-recession/news-story/415b4a2f3ce001e77625eab366e088d1
It's kind of like the crooked Hillary thing. Sooner or later something will come up if you say it enough. A recession is likely to happen regardless of who is in office given the past data on bull market length.
As for Canada, we have our own debt problems (T2 adding 100 billion of debt over 4 years) as well as record high personal debt.
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On June 04 2016 07:04 CannonsNCarriers wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 06:55 oBlade wrote:On June 04 2016 06:03 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Watch this 2 minute Trump Video where to triples down on attacking Judge Curiel for being "Mexican" (thus non-American like Trump is). I recant my objections to calling his ass fascist. He has straight up racial theories going on. Trump is not pretending to be racist to win over the rubes, this is the real Trump if you listen to him. If you vote for this steaming pile of shit, that shit will stain you for the rest of your days. All Trump voters will be made to account for this garbage.
He's saying the judge's background could explain if he was biased in the case because of Trump's politics. After months of being taught that, with his stance on immigration, Trump is a racist and Hispanics don't like him, why is that suggestion so unfathomable? All-white juries aren't great for black defendants, right? I could understand if someone was reasonable, like, "That's possible, but it's not true in this instance: Trump U is just that much of a ripoff." But instead we have to fill social media with calling him a "steaming pile of shit" to make sure the media fills the news with important issues like this. The point is Trump regards Judge Curiel as a Mexican and thus less American than Trump. This is pure racism. No way to spin this and Trump is insisting Curiel's Mexicanness makes him biased against all-American Trump. That is straight white nationalist talk and you know it.
That wasn't the point, or we didn't watch the same video. He's saying the judge isn't being fair based on not dismissing the case when the plaintiff withdrew and some other things that I already can't remember. Now, if he were biased, what might the reason be - perhaps for him his background is at odds with Trump's politics. I have no idea how you dug white nationalism out of that. And what do you mean "regards," his parents are from Mexico, how is that not his background? Are we headed down the road where "Mexican" is going to be a slur?
On June 04 2016 07:04 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Also, if you really want to fight this on the merits,
I wonder why you didn't think of that by default.
On June 04 2016 07:04 CannonsNCarriers wrote:know that Judge Curiel has been more than fair to Trump. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/06/donald-trump-gonzalo-curiel/485636/"In short, if Curiel is a “hater of Donald Trump,” there is no evidence of it in this case. There’s nothing unusual or suspicious about his rulings so far in the lawsuits. While Curiel has allowed the case to proceed to trial, he has granted Trump some partial victories along the way on the size and scope of the cases. And instead of letting the trial unfold alongside Trump’s bid for the White House, Curiel delayed its start until after the election. Indeed, what’s not in the public record is telling. Trump has publicly complained about Curiel since at least 2014, when one of his lawyers claimed Trump would ask Curiel to recuse himself based on his alleged (and unspecified) “animosity toward Mr. Trump and his views” after Curiel rejected his motion for dismissal. Almost two years later, no motion for recusal can be found on the docket of either case, then or now."
Yes, the person being sued obviously might not have an objective view of what's fair. What I want to know is if (hypothetically) you thought the claims of unfairness held weight, would you still be so outraged?
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On June 04 2016 08:40 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 08:36 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On June 04 2016 08:26 KwarK wrote:On June 04 2016 08:15 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Horrific non farm payrolls yesterday.
Expected 159,000, Actual 38,000.Prior two months also revised lower.Worst since 2010.
Expect the USA to be in recession by November, allowing Trump to win in a landslide. You understand that nobody in this topic gives any credence to your predictions, right? Because every few weeks you make a prediction about the economy and how this thing you read about on zerohedge or whatever is giving you unique insights into the world economy which nobody else can see and nobody responds and the thing doesn't happen. So tell me, why do you do it? Why is the US Politics Megathread where you are hosting your stock tips blog? What can we do to get you to make a geocities site like the other people like you? You don't have to answer this, I don't actually want to know the answers, I just want you to ask yourself these questions and then maybe, just maybe, stop. I didn't read a single word you said.
The left has a habit of doing that whenever unsustainable spending and untenable debts are discussed 
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On June 04 2016 08:26 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 08:15 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Horrific non farm payrolls yesterday.
Expected 159,000, Actual 38,000.Prior two months also revised lower.Worst since 2010.
Expect the USA to be in recession by November, allowing Trump to win in a landslide. You understand that nobody in this topic gives any credence to your predictions, right? Because every few weeks you make a prediction about the economy and how this thing you read about on zerohedge or whatever is giving you unique insights into the world economy which nobody else can see and nobody responds and the thing doesn't happen. So tell me, why do you do it? Why is the US Politics Megathread where you are hosting your stock tips blog? What can we do to get you to make a geocities site like the other people like you? You don't have to answer this, I don't actually want to know the answers, I just want you to ask yourself these questions and then maybe, just maybe, stop.
I wonder if he put up money and actually shorted the US market.
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On June 04 2016 08:45 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 07:04 CannonsNCarriers wrote:On June 04 2016 06:55 oBlade wrote:On June 04 2016 06:03 CannonsNCarriers wrote:Watch this 2 minute Trump Video where to triples down on attacking Judge Curiel for being "Mexican" (thus non-American like Trump is). I recant my objections to calling his ass fascist. He has straight up racial theories going on. Trump is not pretending to be racist to win over the rubes, this is the real Trump if you listen to him. If you vote for this steaming pile of shit, that shit will stain you for the rest of your days. All Trump voters will be made to account for this garbage. https://twitter.com/TheLeadCNN/status/738831980201119744 He's saying the judge's background could explain if he was biased in the case because of Trump's politics. After months of being taught that, with his stance on immigration, Trump is a racist and Hispanics don't like him, why is that suggestion so unfathomable? All-white juries aren't great for black defendants, right? I could understand if someone was reasonable, like, "That's possible, but it's not true in this instance: Trump U is just that much of a ripoff." But instead we have to fill social media with calling him a "steaming pile of shit" to make sure the media fills the news with important issues like this. The point is Trump regards Judge Curiel as a Mexican and thus less American than Trump. This is pure racism. No way to spin this and Trump is insisting Curiel's Mexicanness makes him biased against all-American Trump. That is straight white nationalist talk and you know it. That wasn't the point, or we didn't watch the same video. He's saying the judge isn't being fair based on not dismissing the case when the plaintiff withdrew and some other things that I already can't remember. Now, if he were biased, what might the reason be - perhaps for him his background is at odds with Trump's politics. I have no idea how you dug white nationalism out of that. And what do you mean "regards," his parents are from Mexico, how is that not his background? Are we headed down the road where "Mexican" is going to be a slur?
A founding principle of America is that anyone, from any background, can become an American. That people from all around the world come to America for a better life because they believe in the country and want to join it. That if you're born on American soil, you're in, that if you become naturalized, you're in. Only the native Americans predate this principle, for everyone else, from Curiel to Trump, heritage is heritage but citizenship is citizenship. So when Trump says that Curiel isn't capable of being an impartial American judge because, even though he was born here, his parents were not that's a big deal. If we accept what he is saying at face value then that's hugely un-American. If we read between the lines to what he is really saying, it's that Hispanics cannot be Americans.
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On June 04 2016 08:45 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 07:04 CannonsNCarriers wrote:On June 04 2016 06:55 oBlade wrote:On June 04 2016 06:03 CannonsNCarriers wrote:Watch this 2 minute Trump Video where to triples down on attacking Judge Curiel for being "Mexican" (thus non-American like Trump is). I recant my objections to calling his ass fascist. He has straight up racial theories going on. Trump is not pretending to be racist to win over the rubes, this is the real Trump if you listen to him. If you vote for this steaming pile of shit, that shit will stain you for the rest of your days. All Trump voters will be made to account for this garbage. https://twitter.com/TheLeadCNN/status/738831980201119744 He's saying the judge's background could explain if he was biased in the case because of Trump's politics. After months of being taught that, with his stance on immigration, Trump is a racist and Hispanics don't like him, why is that suggestion so unfathomable? All-white juries aren't great for black defendants, right? I could understand if someone was reasonable, like, "That's possible, but it's not true in this instance: Trump U is just that much of a ripoff." But instead we have to fill social media with calling him a "steaming pile of shit" to make sure the media fills the news with important issues like this. The point is Trump regards Judge Curiel as a Mexican and thus less American than Trump. This is pure racism. No way to spin this and Trump is insisting Curiel's Mexicanness makes him biased against all-American Trump. That is straight white nationalist talk and you know it. That wasn't the point, or we didn't watch the same video. He's saying the judge isn't being fair based on not dismissing the case when the plaintiff withdrew and some other things that I already can't remember. Now, if he were biased, what might the reason be - perhaps for him his background is at odds with Trump's politics. I have no idea how you dug white nationalism out of that. And what do you mean "regards," his parents are from Mexico, how is that not his background? Are we headed down the road where "Mexican" is going to be a slur? Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 07:04 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Also, if you really want to fight this on the merits, I wonder why you didn't think of that by default. Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 07:04 CannonsNCarriers wrote:know that Judge Curiel has been more than fair to Trump. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/06/donald-trump-gonzalo-curiel/485636/"In short, if Curiel is a “hater of Donald Trump,” there is no evidence of it in this case. There’s nothing unusual or suspicious about his rulings so far in the lawsuits. While Curiel has allowed the case to proceed to trial, he has granted Trump some partial victories along the way on the size and scope of the cases. And instead of letting the trial unfold alongside Trump’s bid for the White House, Curiel delayed its start until after the election. Indeed, what’s not in the public record is telling. Trump has publicly complained about Curiel since at least 2014, when one of his lawyers claimed Trump would ask Curiel to recuse himself based on his alleged (and unspecified) “animosity toward Mr. Trump and his views” after Curiel rejected his motion for dismissal. Almost two years later, no motion for recusal can be found on the docket of either case, then or now." Yes, the person being sued obviously might not have an objective view of what's fair. What I want to know is if (hypothetically) you thought the claims of unfairness held weight, would you still be so outraged?
Yes. Trump is espousing White Nationalist principles**. Trump is saying that because Judge Curiel is "Mexican" (in his words), Curiel can't be an unbiased judge and Trump needs a real American judge. Trump is implicitly saying that "Mexicans" aren't as American as Trump. That is White Nationalism. That is racist. That is an evil that we haven't seen since 1960s era politicians.
It just so happens that Trump is utterly wrong on the merits too. So he is a racist, and a liar, and wrong!
** Specifically, that only white people like Trump can be real Americans whereas Mexican-American Citizens like Curiel are not trustworthy and less than American than Trumpkins despite citizenship.
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are there any governmental systems that are reliably good at not going into debt?
I mean, governments seem to keep getting into debt trouble; but in general it's not that hard to avoid debt, especially debt of questionable soundness (as opposed to debt that clearly finances worthwhile investments).
It's always sad how easy it should be and yet there's issues.
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the other funny thing of course being that Trump is such a huge thin skinned megalomaniac who still hasn't gotten over somebody insulting his tiny hands ten years ago that he can't possibly imagine that a Mexican judge still might judge him completely fairly and objectively. I really doubt that any Black or Hispanic judge would still be doing their job if they'd get upset about anybody throwing racism at them.
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On June 04 2016 09:02 zlefin wrote:
are there any governmental systems that are reliably good at not going into debt?
I mean, governments seem to keep getting into debt trouble; but in general it's not that hard to avoid debt, especially debt of questionable soundness (as opposed to debt that clearly finances worthwhile investments).
It's always sad how easy it should be and yet there's issues.
Canada from 1997 to 2009 went from debt as 64% of GDP to 32%. 562 billion in 1997 to 464 billion in 2009 inflation adjusted.
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On June 04 2016 09:08 CorsairHero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 09:02 zlefin wrote:
are there any governmental systems that are reliably good at not going into debt?
I mean, governments seem to keep getting into debt trouble; but in general it's not that hard to avoid debt, especially debt of questionable soundness (as opposed to debt that clearly finances worthwhile investments).
It's always sad how easy it should be and yet there's issues. Canada from 1997 to 2009 went from debt as 64% of GDP to 32%. 562 billion in 1997 to 464 billion in 2009 inflation adjusted.
I don't mean individual times; as those always happen, but governmental structures which reliably do such.
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On June 04 2016 08:51 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 08:45 oBlade wrote:On June 04 2016 07:04 CannonsNCarriers wrote:On June 04 2016 06:55 oBlade wrote:On June 04 2016 06:03 CannonsNCarriers wrote:Watch this 2 minute Trump Video where to triples down on attacking Judge Curiel for being "Mexican" (thus non-American like Trump is). I recant my objections to calling his ass fascist. He has straight up racial theories going on. Trump is not pretending to be racist to win over the rubes, this is the real Trump if you listen to him. If you vote for this steaming pile of shit, that shit will stain you for the rest of your days. All Trump voters will be made to account for this garbage. https://twitter.com/TheLeadCNN/status/738831980201119744 He's saying the judge's background could explain if he was biased in the case because of Trump's politics. After months of being taught that, with his stance on immigration, Trump is a racist and Hispanics don't like him, why is that suggestion so unfathomable? All-white juries aren't great for black defendants, right? I could understand if someone was reasonable, like, "That's possible, but it's not true in this instance: Trump U is just that much of a ripoff." But instead we have to fill social media with calling him a "steaming pile of shit" to make sure the media fills the news with important issues like this. The point is Trump regards Judge Curiel as a Mexican and thus less American than Trump. This is pure racism. No way to spin this and Trump is insisting Curiel's Mexicanness makes him biased against all-American Trump. That is straight white nationalist talk and you know it. That wasn't the point, or we didn't watch the same video. He's saying the judge isn't being fair based on not dismissing the case when the plaintiff withdrew and some other things that I already can't remember. Now, if he were biased, what might the reason be - perhaps for him his background is at odds with Trump's politics. I have no idea how you dug white nationalism out of that. And what do you mean "regards," his parents are from Mexico, how is that not his background? Are we headed down the road where "Mexican" is going to be a slur? A founding principle of America is that anyone, from any background, can become an American. That people from all around the world come to America for a better life because they believe in the country and want to join it. That if you're born on American soil, you're in, that if you become naturalized, you're in. Only the native Americans predate this principle, for everyone else, from Curiel to Trump, heritage is heritage but citizenship is citizenship. So when Trump says that Curiel isn't capable of being an impartial American judge because, even though he was born here, his parents were not that's a big deal. If we accept what he is saying at face value then that's hugely un-American. If we read between the lines to what he is really saying, it's that Hispanics cannot be Americans.
He's saying he's biased in specifically this case. Not that Hispanics can't be federal judges or even that this judge should be impeached or however you remove judges. With respect, I don't think you're reading between the lines so much as composing.
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