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On May 07 2016 08:51 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2016 08:32 Mohdoo wrote:
I dream of a day that Trump gives me a nickname. Mohdoo? More like Doodoo.
<3
On May 07 2016 08:58 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +Two of Donald Trump's defeated rivals said Friday that they will not support him in the general election, predicting disaster for the party and asking conservatives to focus on electing Republicans to offices down the ballot.
Former Florida governor Jeb Bush, whom Trump had treated with utter contempt during primary season, announced his decision in a Facebook post. Dismissing Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton as an "untrustworthy liberal politician," Bush said he would "support principled conservatives at the state and federal levels, just as I have done my entire life." To Bush, that does not include Trump.
"The American Presidency is an office that goes beyond just politics," Bush wrote. "It requires of its occupant great fortitude and humility and the temperament and strong character to deal with the unexpected challenges that will inevitably impact our nation in the next four years. Donald Trump has not demonstrated that temperament or strength of character. He has not displayed a respect for the Constitution. And, he is not a consistent conservative. These are all reasons why I cannot support his candidacy."
Earlier on Friday, Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) sent reporters a statement explaining his own reasons for rejecting Trump.
"I absolutely will not support Hillary Clinton for President," Graham wrote. "I also cannot in good conscience support Donald Trump because I do not believe he is a reliable Republican conservative nor has he displayed the judgment and temperament to serve as commander in chief." Jeb Bush and Lindsey Graham won’t back Trump
Straight up splintering of the party. Unreal. I honestly expected everyone to rally. The GOP has always been nothing if not united.
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Just to clarify we knew that Iraq had chemical weapons as we had sold them to iraq for the iran-iraq war. And we knew that Saddam was willing to use them on his people when he gassed the kurds to his north.
The WMD's that we were led to go to war over were nuclear in origin and were proven to be lias based on a lieing scource that everyone told us was a liar but the administration went forward with it anyway. I know its small potatoes but its important to keep history straight.
Really though we should have went full imperial on the middle east. Ask Korea japan and Germany how the reverse colonial experience works out. Middle east just isn ready for democracy and the bill of rights without a generation of brain washing and reeducation. .
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On May 07 2016 08:23 Plansix wrote:
I think you are confused. No one here is saying we are/should charge Bush and Cheney. I am not even saying that. We elected them. We gave them the power to take us to war and the immunity from prosecution if they were wrong. We believed them. That war was popular at the time. Everyone supported it at the time.
We have no one to blame but ourselves. And I didn't vote for them. But I am still to blame.
Well their crimes were international and most of the people on the planet (e.g. Iraqis) didn't vote for them, so that seems like an odd defence.
Obviously this will never ever ever ever happen, but I don't see how any decent person could be against the idea of them being charged.
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This trump rally is amazing.
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On May 07 2016 10:50 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2016 08:51 LegalLord wrote:On May 07 2016 08:32 Mohdoo wrote:
I dream of a day that Trump gives me a nickname. Mohdoo? More like Doodoo. <3 Show nested quote +On May 07 2016 08:58 farvacola wrote:Two of Donald Trump's defeated rivals said Friday that they will not support him in the general election, predicting disaster for the party and asking conservatives to focus on electing Republicans to offices down the ballot.
Former Florida governor Jeb Bush, whom Trump had treated with utter contempt during primary season, announced his decision in a Facebook post. Dismissing Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton as an "untrustworthy liberal politician," Bush said he would "support principled conservatives at the state and federal levels, just as I have done my entire life." To Bush, that does not include Trump.
"The American Presidency is an office that goes beyond just politics," Bush wrote. "It requires of its occupant great fortitude and humility and the temperament and strong character to deal with the unexpected challenges that will inevitably impact our nation in the next four years. Donald Trump has not demonstrated that temperament or strength of character. He has not displayed a respect for the Constitution. And, he is not a consistent conservative. These are all reasons why I cannot support his candidacy."
Earlier on Friday, Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) sent reporters a statement explaining his own reasons for rejecting Trump.
"I absolutely will not support Hillary Clinton for President," Graham wrote. "I also cannot in good conscience support Donald Trump because I do not believe he is a reliable Republican conservative nor has he displayed the judgment and temperament to serve as commander in chief." Jeb Bush and Lindsey Graham won’t back Trump Straight up splintering of the party. Unreal. I honestly expected everyone to rally. The GOP has always been nothing if not united.
The RINOs are leaving the party en masse. Fuck 'em. No one has any use for those hypocrites.
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On May 07 2016 10:50 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2016 08:51 LegalLord wrote:On May 07 2016 08:32 Mohdoo wrote:
I dream of a day that Trump gives me a nickname. Mohdoo? More like Doodoo. <3 Show nested quote +On May 07 2016 08:58 farvacola wrote:Two of Donald Trump's defeated rivals said Friday that they will not support him in the general election, predicting disaster for the party and asking conservatives to focus on electing Republicans to offices down the ballot.
Former Florida governor Jeb Bush, whom Trump had treated with utter contempt during primary season, announced his decision in a Facebook post. Dismissing Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton as an "untrustworthy liberal politician," Bush said he would "support principled conservatives at the state and federal levels, just as I have done my entire life." To Bush, that does not include Trump.
"The American Presidency is an office that goes beyond just politics," Bush wrote. "It requires of its occupant great fortitude and humility and the temperament and strong character to deal with the unexpected challenges that will inevitably impact our nation in the next four years. Donald Trump has not demonstrated that temperament or strength of character. He has not displayed a respect for the Constitution. And, he is not a consistent conservative. These are all reasons why I cannot support his candidacy."
Earlier on Friday, Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) sent reporters a statement explaining his own reasons for rejecting Trump.
"I absolutely will not support Hillary Clinton for President," Graham wrote. "I also cannot in good conscience support Donald Trump because I do not believe he is a reliable Republican conservative nor has he displayed the judgment and temperament to serve as commander in chief." Jeb Bush and Lindsey Graham won’t back Trump Straight up splintering of the party. Unreal. I honestly expected everyone to rally. The GOP has always been nothing if not united.
There goes ~3% of Republican primary voters
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On May 07 2016 11:42 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2016 10:50 Mohdoo wrote:On May 07 2016 08:51 LegalLord wrote:On May 07 2016 08:32 Mohdoo wrote:
I dream of a day that Trump gives me a nickname. Mohdoo? More like Doodoo. <3 On May 07 2016 08:58 farvacola wrote:Two of Donald Trump's defeated rivals said Friday that they will not support him in the general election, predicting disaster for the party and asking conservatives to focus on electing Republicans to offices down the ballot.
Former Florida governor Jeb Bush, whom Trump had treated with utter contempt during primary season, announced his decision in a Facebook post. Dismissing Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton as an "untrustworthy liberal politician," Bush said he would "support principled conservatives at the state and federal levels, just as I have done my entire life." To Bush, that does not include Trump.
"The American Presidency is an office that goes beyond just politics," Bush wrote. "It requires of its occupant great fortitude and humility and the temperament and strong character to deal with the unexpected challenges that will inevitably impact our nation in the next four years. Donald Trump has not demonstrated that temperament or strength of character. He has not displayed a respect for the Constitution. And, he is not a consistent conservative. These are all reasons why I cannot support his candidacy."
Earlier on Friday, Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) sent reporters a statement explaining his own reasons for rejecting Trump.
"I absolutely will not support Hillary Clinton for President," Graham wrote. "I also cannot in good conscience support Donald Trump because I do not believe he is a reliable Republican conservative nor has he displayed the judgment and temperament to serve as commander in chief." Jeb Bush and Lindsey Graham won’t back Trump Straight up splintering of the party. Unreal. I honestly expected everyone to rally. The GOP has always been nothing if not united. The RINOs are leaving the party en masse. Fuck 'em. No one has any use for those hypocrites.
Leaving only the true authoritarians behind. I really hope there aren't enough of those to wield any major federal influence.
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WASHINGTON — In a biting critique of the presumptive Republican nominee, President Obama said Friday that Donald J. Trump should be subjected to serious scrutiny and not be allowed to treat the presidential campaign like “a reality show.”
“We are in serious times, and this is a really serious job,” Mr. Obama said after being asked about Mr. Trump at a White House news conference. “This is not entertainment. This is not a reality show. This is a contest for the presidency of the United States.”
The president suggested that Mr. Trump’s statements and proposals would wither under “exacting standards and genuine scrutiny,” saying that particular attention must be paid to campaign promises made by Mr. Trump — or any other candidate — on issues like the budget, the economy and foreign policy.
“You know, if they take a position on international issues that could threaten war or has the potential of upending our critical relationships with other countries or would potentially break the financial system, that needs to be reported on,” Mr. Obama said.
“What I’m concerned about is the degree to which reporting and information starts emphasizing the spectacle and the circus,” he added, “because that’s not something we can afford.”
Taking questions from reporters at the White House for the first time since Mr. Trump became the presumptive nominee on Tuesday, the president chided the news media over its coverage of the campaign, saying it had not yet focused on serious issues.
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On May 07 2016 11:03 Sermokala wrote:
Just to clarify we knew that Iraq had chemical weapons as we had sold them to iraq for the iran-iraq war. And we knew that Saddam was willing to use them on his people when he gassed the kurds to his north.
Apologist.
Most likely you even know that this is bullshit, that's the sad part.
PS: the only people who "knew" were hawks and retards. Everybody else in fact doesn't know to this point who's responsible for Halabja.
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they obviously had some 'wmd' given how widely used that label is. some ww 1 mustard gas would be wmd.
the kind of nuclear/chem stuff that was the basis of the invasion was not there.
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On May 07 2016 11:42 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2016 10:50 Mohdoo wrote:On May 07 2016 08:51 LegalLord wrote:On May 07 2016 08:32 Mohdoo wrote:
I dream of a day that Trump gives me a nickname. Mohdoo? More like Doodoo. <3 On May 07 2016 08:58 farvacola wrote:Two of Donald Trump's defeated rivals said Friday that they will not support him in the general election, predicting disaster for the party and asking conservatives to focus on electing Republicans to offices down the ballot.
Former Florida governor Jeb Bush, whom Trump had treated with utter contempt during primary season, announced his decision in a Facebook post. Dismissing Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton as an "untrustworthy liberal politician," Bush said he would "support principled conservatives at the state and federal levels, just as I have done my entire life." To Bush, that does not include Trump.
"The American Presidency is an office that goes beyond just politics," Bush wrote. "It requires of its occupant great fortitude and humility and the temperament and strong character to deal with the unexpected challenges that will inevitably impact our nation in the next four years. Donald Trump has not demonstrated that temperament or strength of character. He has not displayed a respect for the Constitution. And, he is not a consistent conservative. These are all reasons why I cannot support his candidacy."
Earlier on Friday, Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) sent reporters a statement explaining his own reasons for rejecting Trump.
"I absolutely will not support Hillary Clinton for President," Graham wrote. "I also cannot in good conscience support Donald Trump because I do not believe he is a reliable Republican conservative nor has he displayed the judgment and temperament to serve as commander in chief." Jeb Bush and Lindsey Graham won’t back Trump Straight up splintering of the party. Unreal. I honestly expected everyone to rally. The GOP has always been nothing if not united. The RINOs are leaving the party en masse. Fuck 'em. No one has any use for those hypocrites.
Trump is basically an orange colored RINO. He's even friends with the other orange RINO, John Boehner.
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On May 07 2016 12:02 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2016 11:03 Sermokala wrote:
Just to clarify we knew that Iraq had chemical weapons as we had sold them to iraq for the iran-iraq war. And we knew that Saddam was willing to use them on his people when he gassed the kurds to his north.
Apologist. Most likely you even know that this is bullshit, that's the sad part. PS: the only people who "knew" were hawks and retards. Everybody else in fact doesn't know to this point who's responsible for Halabja.
I was going to respond that I wasn't an apologist by how if you literaly just read the rest of my post you'd see i was just clarifying that it was nuclear weapons we were going into Iraq for not the chemical types of WMD's but then you just had to put that little end part in.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_chemical_attack
So apparently the US isn't the only one that supplied them with the chemicals. We're talking thousands of tons of chemical weapon precursors coming from Singapore, The Dutch, Egypt, India and even old West Germany.
Dieter Backfisch, managing director of West German company Karl Kolb GmbH, was quoted by saying in 1989 that "for people in Germany poison gas is something quite terrible, but this does not worry customers abroad."[
So what the fuck am I even apologizing for? thats what bugs me least of all.
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lol why even bother to lie about it, oh that's right, it would be illegal otherwise.
You all still want to tell me that she isn't using HVF funds (that couldn't be dispersed to her campaign) to raise more money for her campaign?
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On May 07 2016 13:37 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2016 11:42 xDaunt wrote:On May 07 2016 10:50 Mohdoo wrote:On May 07 2016 08:51 LegalLord wrote:On May 07 2016 08:32 Mohdoo wrote:
I dream of a day that Trump gives me a nickname. Mohdoo? More like Doodoo. <3 On May 07 2016 08:58 farvacola wrote:Two of Donald Trump's defeated rivals said Friday that they will not support him in the general election, predicting disaster for the party and asking conservatives to focus on electing Republicans to offices down the ballot.
Former Florida governor Jeb Bush, whom Trump had treated with utter contempt during primary season, announced his decision in a Facebook post. Dismissing Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton as an "untrustworthy liberal politician," Bush said he would "support principled conservatives at the state and federal levels, just as I have done my entire life." To Bush, that does not include Trump.
"The American Presidency is an office that goes beyond just politics," Bush wrote. "It requires of its occupant great fortitude and humility and the temperament and strong character to deal with the unexpected challenges that will inevitably impact our nation in the next four years. Donald Trump has not demonstrated that temperament or strength of character. He has not displayed a respect for the Constitution. And, he is not a consistent conservative. These are all reasons why I cannot support his candidacy."
Earlier on Friday, Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) sent reporters a statement explaining his own reasons for rejecting Trump.
"I absolutely will not support Hillary Clinton for President," Graham wrote. "I also cannot in good conscience support Donald Trump because I do not believe he is a reliable Republican conservative nor has he displayed the judgment and temperament to serve as commander in chief." Jeb Bush and Lindsey Graham won’t back Trump Straight up splintering of the party. Unreal. I honestly expected everyone to rally. The GOP has always been nothing if not united. The RINOs are leaving the party en masse. Fuck 'em. No one has any use for those hypocrites. Trump is basically an orange colored RINO. He's even friends with the other orange RINO, John Boehner.
Don't tell the RINO's that Trump is one of them. They may actually get even more apoplectic. And for what it's worth, I don't think Trump is a RINO. He's something else and quite possibly the harbinger of a new form conservatism.
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On May 07 2016 15:26 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2016 13:37 Introvert wrote:On May 07 2016 11:42 xDaunt wrote:On May 07 2016 10:50 Mohdoo wrote:On May 07 2016 08:51 LegalLord wrote:On May 07 2016 08:32 Mohdoo wrote:
I dream of a day that Trump gives me a nickname. Mohdoo? More like Doodoo. <3 On May 07 2016 08:58 farvacola wrote:Two of Donald Trump's defeated rivals said Friday that they will not support him in the general election, predicting disaster for the party and asking conservatives to focus on electing Republicans to offices down the ballot.
Former Florida governor Jeb Bush, whom Trump had treated with utter contempt during primary season, announced his decision in a Facebook post. Dismissing Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton as an "untrustworthy liberal politician," Bush said he would "support principled conservatives at the state and federal levels, just as I have done my entire life." To Bush, that does not include Trump.
"The American Presidency is an office that goes beyond just politics," Bush wrote. "It requires of its occupant great fortitude and humility and the temperament and strong character to deal with the unexpected challenges that will inevitably impact our nation in the next four years. Donald Trump has not demonstrated that temperament or strength of character. He has not displayed a respect for the Constitution. And, he is not a consistent conservative. These are all reasons why I cannot support his candidacy."
Earlier on Friday, Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) sent reporters a statement explaining his own reasons for rejecting Trump.
"I absolutely will not support Hillary Clinton for President," Graham wrote. "I also cannot in good conscience support Donald Trump because I do not believe he is a reliable Republican conservative nor has he displayed the judgment and temperament to serve as commander in chief." Jeb Bush and Lindsey Graham won’t back Trump Straight up splintering of the party. Unreal. I honestly expected everyone to rally. The GOP has always been nothing if not united. The RINOs are leaving the party en masse. Fuck 'em. No one has any use for those hypocrites. Trump is basically an orange colored RINO. He's even friends with the other orange RINO, John Boehner. Don't tell the RINO's that Trump is one of them. They may actually get even more apoplectic. And for what it's worth, I don't think Trump is a RINO. He's something else and quite possibly the harbinger of a new form conservatism.
He's not a RINO as normally imagined, but if we look only at the acronym I think it's appropriate.
Yeah the only RINOs will get all angry, but that's too bad.
I wouldn't call what Trump is selling a new form of conservatism. I'd rather distance that name from Trumpism entirely, though we'll see if that's possible.
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On May 07 2016 11:55 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2016 10:50 Mohdoo wrote:On May 07 2016 08:51 LegalLord wrote:On May 07 2016 08:32 Mohdoo wrote:
I dream of a day that Trump gives me a nickname. Mohdoo? More like Doodoo. <3 On May 07 2016 08:58 farvacola wrote:Two of Donald Trump's defeated rivals said Friday that they will not support him in the general election, predicting disaster for the party and asking conservatives to focus on electing Republicans to offices down the ballot.
Former Florida governor Jeb Bush, whom Trump had treated with utter contempt during primary season, announced his decision in a Facebook post. Dismissing Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton as an "untrustworthy liberal politician," Bush said he would "support principled conservatives at the state and federal levels, just as I have done my entire life." To Bush, that does not include Trump.
"The American Presidency is an office that goes beyond just politics," Bush wrote. "It requires of its occupant great fortitude and humility and the temperament and strong character to deal with the unexpected challenges that will inevitably impact our nation in the next four years. Donald Trump has not demonstrated that temperament or strength of character. He has not displayed a respect for the Constitution. And, he is not a consistent conservative. These are all reasons why I cannot support his candidacy."
Earlier on Friday, Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) sent reporters a statement explaining his own reasons for rejecting Trump.
"I absolutely will not support Hillary Clinton for President," Graham wrote. "I also cannot in good conscience support Donald Trump because I do not believe he is a reliable Republican conservative nor has he displayed the judgment and temperament to serve as commander in chief." Jeb Bush and Lindsey Graham won’t back Trump Straight up splintering of the party. Unreal. I honestly expected everyone to rally. The GOP has always been nothing if not united. There goes ~3% of Republican primary voters
The less neo-Cons the better, Graham and other vultures leaving the party can only be a good thing. And Jeb is a pathetic joke, my only hope is that McCain also commits political suicide like these two.
Edit: Trump will gain voters when they see who is against him in the GOP.
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On May 07 2016 15:26 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2016 13:37 Introvert wrote:On May 07 2016 11:42 xDaunt wrote:On May 07 2016 10:50 Mohdoo wrote:On May 07 2016 08:51 LegalLord wrote:On May 07 2016 08:32 Mohdoo wrote:
I dream of a day that Trump gives me a nickname. Mohdoo? More like Doodoo. <3 On May 07 2016 08:58 farvacola wrote:Two of Donald Trump's defeated rivals said Friday that they will not support him in the general election, predicting disaster for the party and asking conservatives to focus on electing Republicans to offices down the ballot.
Former Florida governor Jeb Bush, whom Trump had treated with utter contempt during primary season, announced his decision in a Facebook post. Dismissing Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton as an "untrustworthy liberal politician," Bush said he would "support principled conservatives at the state and federal levels, just as I have done my entire life." To Bush, that does not include Trump.
"The American Presidency is an office that goes beyond just politics," Bush wrote. "It requires of its occupant great fortitude and humility and the temperament and strong character to deal with the unexpected challenges that will inevitably impact our nation in the next four years. Donald Trump has not demonstrated that temperament or strength of character. He has not displayed a respect for the Constitution. And, he is not a consistent conservative. These are all reasons why I cannot support his candidacy."
Earlier on Friday, Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) sent reporters a statement explaining his own reasons for rejecting Trump.
"I absolutely will not support Hillary Clinton for President," Graham wrote. "I also cannot in good conscience support Donald Trump because I do not believe he is a reliable Republican conservative nor has he displayed the judgment and temperament to serve as commander in chief." Jeb Bush and Lindsey Graham won’t back Trump Straight up splintering of the party. Unreal. I honestly expected everyone to rally. The GOP has always been nothing if not united. The RINOs are leaving the party en masse. Fuck 'em. No one has any use for those hypocrites. Trump is basically an orange colored RINO. He's even friends with the other orange RINO, John Boehner. Don't tell the RINO's that Trump is one of them. They may actually get even more apoplectic. And for what it's worth, I don't think Trump is a RINO. He's something else and quite possibly the harbinger of a new form conservatism.
None of the policy, but all the authoritarianism. He has new answers every day, but the answers are always Trump power and vengeful punishments on those in the out groups. He promises the ingroup that the out group will suffer for wronging them, and only his force of personality can accomplish it.
Today he proposed that he would halve the national debt by simply offering our creditors half the money. Utter madness, but those Chinese creditors are going to get it wont they! Just a few words from Trump and he will halve the national debt.
http://time.com/money/4320832/donald-trump-national-federal-debt-deal/
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On May 07 2016 11:03 Sermokala wrote:
Really though we should have went full imperial on the middle east. Ask Korea japan and Germany how the reverse colonial experience works out. Middle east just isn ready for democracy and the bill of rights without a generation of brain washing and reeducation. .
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH
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