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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
May 01 2016 15:25 GMT
#74201
Not any of the good stuff, I assure you.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
May 01 2016 15:26 GMT
#74202
"The only candidate who could win the only election that mattered."

I can't believe I just watched a political ad with worse writing than Batman vs. Superman.
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
May 01 2016 15:35 GMT
#74203
On May 02 2016 00:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2016 00:19 zeo wrote:


That feeling when you don't know what is or isn't satire anymore in American politics


Are you kidding me. What kind of drugs are the Kasich campaign on?

"Not authorized by any candidate or candidates committee"
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15664 Posts
May 01 2016 16:13 GMT
#74204
On May 01 2016 23:13 oneofthem wrote:
bloomberg telling it like it is

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/bloomberg-goes-after-trump-sanders-in-address.html

lol pony though


It's funny how no one else can seem to realize Bernie is just a demagogue. Dehumanize a group and stick it to them, real bad, as a way to finally give the population what they have deserved for so long. Boy, never heard that before. rofl.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44222 Posts
May 01 2016 16:18 GMT
#74205
On May 02 2016 00:35 Chewbacca. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2016 00:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 02 2016 00:19 zeo wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wuib2Vo3hSo

That feeling when you don't know what is or isn't satire anymore in American politics


Are you kidding me. What kind of drugs are the Kasich campaign on?

"Not authorized by any candidate or candidates committee"


That's probably the best part lol
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
May 01 2016 16:21 GMT
#74206
Sanders raises $26m in April
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15664 Posts
May 01 2016 16:31 GMT
#74207
On May 02 2016 01:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
Sanders raises $26m in April


WOOOHOOO!!!

And this is during his desperate plea for people to help him win NY.

This election, both parties were dealt a demagogue ready to give us the world if only we were willing to demonize a certain group. The democratic party has made me proud by having the collective sense to realize that while we support many of his ideas, Bernie is ultimately bad for our country as president.

Cheers, my fellow progressives!
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44222 Posts
May 01 2016 16:35 GMT
#74208
On May 02 2016 01:31 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2016 01:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
Sanders raises $26m in April


WOOOHOOO!!!

And this is during his desperate plea for people to help him win NY.

This election, both parties were dealt a demagogue ready to give us the world if only we were willing to demonize a certain group. The democratic party has made me proud by having the collective sense to realize that while we support many of his ideas, Bernie is ultimately bad for our country as president.

Cheers, my fellow progressives!


Why? Also, the article explains that even though it's less than last month, it's still nearly $10M above the monthly average for his campaign.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15664 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-01 16:43:42
May 01 2016 16:43 GMT
#74209
On May 02 2016 01:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2016 01:31 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
Sanders raises $26m in April


WOOOHOOO!!!

And this is during his desperate plea for people to help him win NY.

This election, both parties were dealt a demagogue ready to give us the world if only we were willing to demonize a certain group. The democratic party has made me proud by having the collective sense to realize that while we support many of his ideas, Bernie is ultimately bad for our country as president.

Cheers, my fellow progressives!


Why? Also, the article explains that even though it's less than last month, it's still nearly $10M above the monthly average for his campaign.


Sure, above the average because he used to be polling at like 4%. His funding has been growing pretty much this entire time. And the funding pushes were massive to try to somehow do ok in NY. And after losing so bad in the NE, this news is going to discourage people from donating more. We're going to see both Sanders and Cruz supporters having particularly low turnout in Indiana after a series of morale killing news cycles. He just keeps losing things he says he's gonna win. S4P is even losing a ton of focus. Its less about mobilizing and more about optimistic articles. The whole thing is falling apart because it had no core to begin with. This is a like 41% decrease. That's totally insane. People dropped him bad.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44222 Posts
May 01 2016 16:52 GMT
#74210
On May 02 2016 01:43 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2016 01:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:31 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
Sanders raises $26m in April


WOOOHOOO!!!

And this is during his desperate plea for people to help him win NY.

This election, both parties were dealt a demagogue ready to give us the world if only we were willing to demonize a certain group. The democratic party has made me proud by having the collective sense to realize that while we support many of his ideas, Bernie is ultimately bad for our country as president.

Cheers, my fellow progressives!


Why? Also, the article explains that even though it's less than last month, it's still nearly $10M above the monthly average for his campaign.


Sure, above the average because he used to be polling at like 4%. His funding has been growing pretty much this entire time. And the funding pushes were massive to try to somehow do ok in NY. And after losing so bad in the NE, this news is going to discourage people from donating more. We're going to see both Sanders and Cruz supporters having particularly low turnout in Indiana after a series of morale killing news cycles. He just keeps losing things he says he's gonna win. S4P is even losing a ton of focus. Its less about mobilizing and more about optimistic articles. The whole thing is falling apart because it had no core to begin with. This is a like 41% decrease. That's totally insane. People dropped him bad.


Okay, but can you please answer me why you think Bernie is bad for our country as president?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23173 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-01 16:57:38
May 01 2016 16:56 GMT
#74211
On May 02 2016 01:43 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2016 01:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:31 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
Sanders raises $26m in April


WOOOHOOO!!!

And this is during his desperate plea for people to help him win NY.

This election, both parties were dealt a demagogue ready to give us the world if only we were willing to demonize a certain group. The democratic party has made me proud by having the collective sense to realize that while we support many of his ideas, Bernie is ultimately bad for our country as president.

Cheers, my fellow progressives!


Why? Also, the article explains that even though it's less than last month, it's still nearly $10M above the monthly average for his campaign.


Sure, above the average because he used to be polling at like 4%. His funding has been growing pretty much this entire time. And the funding pushes were massive to try to somehow do ok in NY. And after losing so bad in the NE, this news is going to discourage people from donating more. We're going to see both Sanders and Cruz supporters having particularly low turnout in Indiana after a series of morale killing news cycles. He just keeps losing things he says he's gonna win. S4P is even losing a ton of focus. Its less about mobilizing and more about optimistic articles. The whole thing is falling apart because it had no core to begin with. This is a like 41% decrease. That's totally insane. People dropped him bad.


I'm guessing the reason Hillary isn't running any ads in upcoming states and has 20 primary fundraisers over the next week is because her donor base is so much stronger?

How many fundraiser events has either had, and who is raising more money for their campaign and from who again?

As for Wilmore, that performance wasn't for you guys or the people in that audience (most of them anyway), black people, for the most part, thought that was the funniest Wilmore's ever been.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15664 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-01 17:08:21
May 01 2016 17:04 GMT
#74212
On May 02 2016 01:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2016 01:43 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:31 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
Sanders raises $26m in April


WOOOHOOO!!!

And this is during his desperate plea for people to help him win NY.

This election, both parties were dealt a demagogue ready to give us the world if only we were willing to demonize a certain group. The democratic party has made me proud by having the collective sense to realize that while we support many of his ideas, Bernie is ultimately bad for our country as president.

Cheers, my fellow progressives!


Why? Also, the article explains that even though it's less than last month, it's still nearly $10M above the monthly average for his campaign.


Sure, above the average because he used to be polling at like 4%. His funding has been growing pretty much this entire time. And the funding pushes were massive to try to somehow do ok in NY. And after losing so bad in the NE, this news is going to discourage people from donating more. We're going to see both Sanders and Cruz supporters having particularly low turnout in Indiana after a series of morale killing news cycles. He just keeps losing things he says he's gonna win. S4P is even losing a ton of focus. Its less about mobilizing and more about optimistic articles. The whole thing is falling apart because it had no core to begin with. This is a like 41% decrease. That's totally insane. People dropped him bad.


Okay, but can you please answer me why you think Bernie is bad for our country as president?


Out of all conversations our forum is had, this is perhaps the subject I have spoken on in the most depth. I just can't bring myself to type up the detail I have so far, but you may be able to argue me into elaborating.

In short:

1. If we were to call governance some kinda class where people study and learn how to do things. How to regulate, legislate, make things happen, etc. I think Bernie would score poorly compared to Clinton. Looking at their LinkedIn profile, I would hire Clinton before even scheduling an interview with Bernie. You can disagree with what she did as SoS, but I think she gained a ton of value experience and will have more knowledge with which to make future decisions in terms of governance. It's not just that Clinton is great. It's also that Bernie has been a 1 trick pony his entire political career (something he somehow tries to spin as positive). He comes across as so wildly ignorant in so many interviews I just can't see past it.

2. Bernie takes stances, openly, which say "We have tried to work with ___ and tried to get ____. We can't get half of what we want? That's it. I want all of it. I want every fucking bit because I am tired of compromising my values!". That's the thinking that shut down the government, 100%. I can't support someone who lets themselves think like that. It isn't logical or reasonable in any way. It is principled, but I don't think being principled is intrinsically good. I think Bernie is a perfect example of when being principled is a bad thing.

On May 02 2016 01:56 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2016 01:43 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:31 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
Sanders raises $26m in April


WOOOHOOO!!!

And this is during his desperate plea for people to help him win NY.

This election, both parties were dealt a demagogue ready to give us the world if only we were willing to demonize a certain group. The democratic party has made me proud by having the collective sense to realize that while we support many of his ideas, Bernie is ultimately bad for our country as president.

Cheers, my fellow progressives!


Why? Also, the article explains that even though it's less than last month, it's still nearly $10M above the monthly average for his campaign.


Sure, above the average because he used to be polling at like 4%. His funding has been growing pretty much this entire time. And the funding pushes were massive to try to somehow do ok in NY. And after losing so bad in the NE, this news is going to discourage people from donating more. We're going to see both Sanders and Cruz supporters having particularly low turnout in Indiana after a series of morale killing news cycles. He just keeps losing things he says he's gonna win. S4P is even losing a ton of focus. Its less about mobilizing and more about optimistic articles. The whole thing is falling apart because it had no core to begin with. This is a like 41% decrease. That's totally insane. People dropped him bad.


I'm guessing the reason Hillary isn't running any ads in upcoming states and has 20 primary fundraisers over the next week is because her donor base is so much stronger?

How many fundraiser events has either had, and who is raising more money for their campaign and from who again?

As for Wilmore, that performance wasn't for you guys or the people in that audience (most of them anyway), black people, for the most part, thought that was the funniest Wilmore's ever been.


You're the only one here who doesn't realize the primary election is over. It is all posturing from here. The fact that you keep thinking Clinton needs to clinch the nomination before the convention is so telling. You just have no sense of what is realistic and what isn't. If Hilary Clinton has a single delegate above Bernie, she will receive an overwhelming number of delegates. The DNC is strongly against Bernie for a variety of reasons. Many of which I think are shared opinions with myself. Bernie's only hope is majority. That is gone. It really, really is gone.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23173 Posts
May 01 2016 17:17 GMT
#74213
On May 02 2016 02:04 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2016 01:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:43 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:31 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
Sanders raises $26m in April


WOOOHOOO!!!

And this is during his desperate plea for people to help him win NY.

This election, both parties were dealt a demagogue ready to give us the world if only we were willing to demonize a certain group. The democratic party has made me proud by having the collective sense to realize that while we support many of his ideas, Bernie is ultimately bad for our country as president.

Cheers, my fellow progressives!


Why? Also, the article explains that even though it's less than last month, it's still nearly $10M above the monthly average for his campaign.


Sure, above the average because he used to be polling at like 4%. His funding has been growing pretty much this entire time. And the funding pushes were massive to try to somehow do ok in NY. And after losing so bad in the NE, this news is going to discourage people from donating more. We're going to see both Sanders and Cruz supporters having particularly low turnout in Indiana after a series of morale killing news cycles. He just keeps losing things he says he's gonna win. S4P is even losing a ton of focus. Its less about mobilizing and more about optimistic articles. The whole thing is falling apart because it had no core to begin with. This is a like 41% decrease. That's totally insane. People dropped him bad.


Okay, but can you please answer me why you think Bernie is bad for our country as president?


Out of all conversations our forum is had, this is perhaps the subject I have spoken on in the most depth. I just can't bring myself to type up the detail I have so far, but you may be able to argue me into elaborating.

In short:

1. If we were to call governance some kinda class where people study and learn how to do things. How to regulate, legislate, make things happen, etc. I think Bernie would score poorly compared to Clinton. Looking at their LinkedIn profile, I would hire Clinton before even scheduling an interview with Bernie. You can disagree with what she did as SoS, but I think she gained a ton of value experience and will have more knowledge with which to make future decisions in terms of governance. It's not just that Clinton is great. It's also that Bernie has been a 1 trick pony his entire political career (something he somehow tries to spin as positive). He comes across as so wildly ignorant in so many interviews I just can't see past it.

2. Bernie takes stances, openly, which say "We have tried to work with ___ and tried to get ____. We can't get half of what we want? That's it. I want all of it. I want every fucking bit because I am tired of compromising my values!". That's the thinking that shut down the government, 100%. I can't support someone who lets themselves think like that. It isn't logical or reasonable in any way. It is principled, but I don't think being principled is intrinsically good. I think Bernie is a perfect example of when being principled is a bad thing.

Show nested quote +
On May 02 2016 01:56 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:43 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:31 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
Sanders raises $26m in April


WOOOHOOO!!!

And this is during his desperate plea for people to help him win NY.

This election, both parties were dealt a demagogue ready to give us the world if only we were willing to demonize a certain group. The democratic party has made me proud by having the collective sense to realize that while we support many of his ideas, Bernie is ultimately bad for our country as president.

Cheers, my fellow progressives!


Why? Also, the article explains that even though it's less than last month, it's still nearly $10M above the monthly average for his campaign.


Sure, above the average because he used to be polling at like 4%. His funding has been growing pretty much this entire time. And the funding pushes were massive to try to somehow do ok in NY. And after losing so bad in the NE, this news is going to discourage people from donating more. We're going to see both Sanders and Cruz supporters having particularly low turnout in Indiana after a series of morale killing news cycles. He just keeps losing things he says he's gonna win. S4P is even losing a ton of focus. Its less about mobilizing and more about optimistic articles. The whole thing is falling apart because it had no core to begin with. This is a like 41% decrease. That's totally insane. People dropped him bad.


I'm guessing the reason Hillary isn't running any ads in upcoming states and has 20 primary fundraisers over the next week is because her donor base is so much stronger?

How many fundraiser events has either had, and who is raising more money for their campaign and from who again?

As for Wilmore, that performance wasn't for you guys or the people in that audience (most of them anyway), black people, for the most part, thought that was the funniest Wilmore's ever been.


You're the only one here who doesn't realize the primary election is over. It is all posturing from here. The fact that you keep thinking Clinton needs to clinch the nomination before the convention is so telling. You just have no sense of what is realistic and what isn't. If Hilary Clinton has a single delegate above Bernie, she will receive an overwhelming number of delegates. The DNC is strongly against Bernie for a variety of reasons. Many of which I think are shared opinions with myself. Bernie's only hope is majority. That is gone. It really, really is gone.


So if it's over why does she have 20 fundraising events this week for it? She doesn't realize it's over too, or she is posturing that she'll still be dependent on big money donors in the general too?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15664 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-01 17:25:04
May 01 2016 17:18 GMT
#74214
On May 02 2016 02:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2016 02:04 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:43 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:31 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
Sanders raises $26m in April


WOOOHOOO!!!

And this is during his desperate plea for people to help him win NY.

This election, both parties were dealt a demagogue ready to give us the world if only we were willing to demonize a certain group. The democratic party has made me proud by having the collective sense to realize that while we support many of his ideas, Bernie is ultimately bad for our country as president.

Cheers, my fellow progressives!


Why? Also, the article explains that even though it's less than last month, it's still nearly $10M above the monthly average for his campaign.


Sure, above the average because he used to be polling at like 4%. His funding has been growing pretty much this entire time. And the funding pushes were massive to try to somehow do ok in NY. And after losing so bad in the NE, this news is going to discourage people from donating more. We're going to see both Sanders and Cruz supporters having particularly low turnout in Indiana after a series of morale killing news cycles. He just keeps losing things he says he's gonna win. S4P is even losing a ton of focus. Its less about mobilizing and more about optimistic articles. The whole thing is falling apart because it had no core to begin with. This is a like 41% decrease. That's totally insane. People dropped him bad.


Okay, but can you please answer me why you think Bernie is bad for our country as president?


Out of all conversations our forum is had, this is perhaps the subject I have spoken on in the most depth. I just can't bring myself to type up the detail I have so far, but you may be able to argue me into elaborating.

In short:

1. If we were to call governance some kinda class where people study and learn how to do things. How to regulate, legislate, make things happen, etc. I think Bernie would score poorly compared to Clinton. Looking at their LinkedIn profile, I would hire Clinton before even scheduling an interview with Bernie. You can disagree with what she did as SoS, but I think she gained a ton of value experience and will have more knowledge with which to make future decisions in terms of governance. It's not just that Clinton is great. It's also that Bernie has been a 1 trick pony his entire political career (something he somehow tries to spin as positive). He comes across as so wildly ignorant in so many interviews I just can't see past it.

2. Bernie takes stances, openly, which say "We have tried to work with ___ and tried to get ____. We can't get half of what we want? That's it. I want all of it. I want every fucking bit because I am tired of compromising my values!". That's the thinking that shut down the government, 100%. I can't support someone who lets themselves think like that. It isn't logical or reasonable in any way. It is principled, but I don't think being principled is intrinsically good. I think Bernie is a perfect example of when being principled is a bad thing.

On May 02 2016 01:56 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:43 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:31 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
Sanders raises $26m in April


WOOOHOOO!!!

And this is during his desperate plea for people to help him win NY.

This election, both parties were dealt a demagogue ready to give us the world if only we were willing to demonize a certain group. The democratic party has made me proud by having the collective sense to realize that while we support many of his ideas, Bernie is ultimately bad for our country as president.

Cheers, my fellow progressives!


Why? Also, the article explains that even though it's less than last month, it's still nearly $10M above the monthly average for his campaign.


Sure, above the average because he used to be polling at like 4%. His funding has been growing pretty much this entire time. And the funding pushes were massive to try to somehow do ok in NY. And after losing so bad in the NE, this news is going to discourage people from donating more. We're going to see both Sanders and Cruz supporters having particularly low turnout in Indiana after a series of morale killing news cycles. He just keeps losing things he says he's gonna win. S4P is even losing a ton of focus. Its less about mobilizing and more about optimistic articles. The whole thing is falling apart because it had no core to begin with. This is a like 41% decrease. That's totally insane. People dropped him bad.


I'm guessing the reason Hillary isn't running any ads in upcoming states and has 20 primary fundraisers over the next week is because her donor base is so much stronger?

How many fundraiser events has either had, and who is raising more money for their campaign and from who again?

As for Wilmore, that performance wasn't for you guys or the people in that audience (most of them anyway), black people, for the most part, thought that was the funniest Wilmore's ever been.


You're the only one here who doesn't realize the primary election is over. It is all posturing from here. The fact that you keep thinking Clinton needs to clinch the nomination before the convention is so telling. You just have no sense of what is realistic and what isn't. If Hilary Clinton has a single delegate above Bernie, she will receive an overwhelming number of delegates. The DNC is strongly against Bernie for a variety of reasons. Many of which I think are shared opinions with myself. Bernie's only hope is majority. That is gone. It really, really is gone.


So if it's over why does she have 20 fundraising events this week for it? She doesn't realize it's over too, or she is posturing that she'll still be dependent on big money donors in the general too?


She'll still be dependent on big money donors in the general election. That's a given. That's how things are done and how they will continue to be done this election. Maybe even the next one. Big money behind the left and the right is going to be how this election goes. This is nothing new, it shouldn't be hard for you to imagine.

Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21647 Posts
May 01 2016 17:19 GMT
#74215
On May 02 2016 02:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
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On May 02 2016 02:04 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:43 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:31 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
Sanders raises $26m in April


WOOOHOOO!!!

And this is during his desperate plea for people to help him win NY.

This election, both parties were dealt a demagogue ready to give us the world if only we were willing to demonize a certain group. The democratic party has made me proud by having the collective sense to realize that while we support many of his ideas, Bernie is ultimately bad for our country as president.

Cheers, my fellow progressives!


Why? Also, the article explains that even though it's less than last month, it's still nearly $10M above the monthly average for his campaign.


Sure, above the average because he used to be polling at like 4%. His funding has been growing pretty much this entire time. And the funding pushes were massive to try to somehow do ok in NY. And after losing so bad in the NE, this news is going to discourage people from donating more. We're going to see both Sanders and Cruz supporters having particularly low turnout in Indiana after a series of morale killing news cycles. He just keeps losing things he says he's gonna win. S4P is even losing a ton of focus. Its less about mobilizing and more about optimistic articles. The whole thing is falling apart because it had no core to begin with. This is a like 41% decrease. That's totally insane. People dropped him bad.


Okay, but can you please answer me why you think Bernie is bad for our country as president?


Out of all conversations our forum is had, this is perhaps the subject I have spoken on in the most depth. I just can't bring myself to type up the detail I have so far, but you may be able to argue me into elaborating.

In short:

1. If we were to call governance some kinda class where people study and learn how to do things. How to regulate, legislate, make things happen, etc. I think Bernie would score poorly compared to Clinton. Looking at their LinkedIn profile, I would hire Clinton before even scheduling an interview with Bernie. You can disagree with what she did as SoS, but I think she gained a ton of value experience and will have more knowledge with which to make future decisions in terms of governance. It's not just that Clinton is great. It's also that Bernie has been a 1 trick pony his entire political career (something he somehow tries to spin as positive). He comes across as so wildly ignorant in so many interviews I just can't see past it.

2. Bernie takes stances, openly, which say "We have tried to work with ___ and tried to get ____. We can't get half of what we want? That's it. I want all of it. I want every fucking bit because I am tired of compromising my values!". That's the thinking that shut down the government, 100%. I can't support someone who lets themselves think like that. It isn't logical or reasonable in any way. It is principled, but I don't think being principled is intrinsically good. I think Bernie is a perfect example of when being principled is a bad thing.

On May 02 2016 01:56 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:43 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:31 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
Sanders raises $26m in April


WOOOHOOO!!!

And this is during his desperate plea for people to help him win NY.

This election, both parties were dealt a demagogue ready to give us the world if only we were willing to demonize a certain group. The democratic party has made me proud by having the collective sense to realize that while we support many of his ideas, Bernie is ultimately bad for our country as president.

Cheers, my fellow progressives!


Why? Also, the article explains that even though it's less than last month, it's still nearly $10M above the monthly average for his campaign.


Sure, above the average because he used to be polling at like 4%. His funding has been growing pretty much this entire time. And the funding pushes were massive to try to somehow do ok in NY. And after losing so bad in the NE, this news is going to discourage people from donating more. We're going to see both Sanders and Cruz supporters having particularly low turnout in Indiana after a series of morale killing news cycles. He just keeps losing things he says he's gonna win. S4P is even losing a ton of focus. Its less about mobilizing and more about optimistic articles. The whole thing is falling apart because it had no core to begin with. This is a like 41% decrease. That's totally insane. People dropped him bad.


I'm guessing the reason Hillary isn't running any ads in upcoming states and has 20 primary fundraisers over the next week is because her donor base is so much stronger?

How many fundraiser events has either had, and who is raising more money for their campaign and from who again?

As for Wilmore, that performance wasn't for you guys or the people in that audience (most of them anyway), black people, for the most part, thought that was the funniest Wilmore's ever been.


You're the only one here who doesn't realize the primary election is over. It is all posturing from here. The fact that you keep thinking Clinton needs to clinch the nomination before the convention is so telling. You just have no sense of what is realistic and what isn't. If Hilary Clinton has a single delegate above Bernie, she will receive an overwhelming number of delegates. The DNC is strongly against Bernie for a variety of reasons. Many of which I think are shared opinions with myself. Bernie's only hope is majority. That is gone. It really, really is gone.


So if it's over why does she have 20 fundraising events this week for it? She doesn't realize it's over too, or she is posturing that she'll still be dependent on big money donors in the general too?

Its ... its ... almost as if there is a general election still to come.

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5537 Posts
May 01 2016 17:19 GMT
#74216
On May 01 2016 20:30 kwizach wrote:
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On May 01 2016 15:46 oBlade wrote:
On May 01 2016 11:29 kwizach wrote:
On May 01 2016 10:38 oBlade wrote:
On May 01 2016 09:34 kwizach wrote:
On May 01 2016 02:22 oBlade wrote:
On April 30 2016 20:48 kwizach wrote:
On April 30 2016 11:23 oBlade wrote:
On April 30 2016 10:58 kwizach wrote:
On April 30 2016 10:34 oBlade wrote:
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I don't think it's true, which is why it's useful to suppose something for the sake of argument.

It sounds like what's going on is you want to paint with a broad brush because it looks more severe. For example, if you said "Donald Trump insults presidential candidate and former CEO Carly Fiorina's appearance - another battlefield in the war on women," it would sound suspect. Many of us don't see any issue. But if you abstract and use the magic word, like in this case "sexism," it gets people to associate the worst, and you end up with these articles and rants and Guardian blogs that make the candidate sound like Ted Bundy.

I know you don't think it's true. You also "had no idea" whether the woman doing as obvious a Nazi salute as can be outside a Trump rally was indeed doing a Nazi salute (spoiler alert: she was). I'm not painting with a broad brush, I am describing Trump's rhetoric. The fact that you don't like that description doesn't make it any less accurate.

You're talking about the woman who isn't a Nazi again?

We definitely agree that my liking or disliking your characterization of Trump's rhetoric isn't what makes it inaccurate.

Yes, I am talking about that woman -- I'm not saying she was a Nazi, I'm saying she was doing a Nazi salute, which anyone with an ounce of honesty agreed was the case. She said so as well. You, on the other hand, could not even bring yourself to admit she was doing a Nazi salute.

The implications of what people were trying to do with that picture (woman with Trump shirt and arm in the air) were obvious. I didn't dismiss that she could be making the gesture. She did it because people were harassing her, which was something I found likely (along with the possibility of it being a staged photo).

Again, it wasn't simply about discussing the implications of the gesture, but what the gesture itself was. You couldn't even bring yourself to admit she was doing a Nazi salute.

And it bothers you personally that I exercised skepticism about what some private citizen was doing with her arm for a few seconds months ago?

Why would it bother me personally? It's simply a perfect illustration of you turning a blind eye to the reality of anything negative appearing in the same sentence as "Trump", even if it's a clear as day Nazi salute (again, I'm not talking about the intent behind the salute, only the gesture itself).

What do you mean, I hope you're not implying if you make a sentence from "Nazi salute" and "Trump" that he's somehow guilty by association?

I am saying that you are so much of a Trump apologist that you're going to turn a blind eye to, or deny, the reality of anything with a negative connotation that has even a remote connection to Trump, even if he has no actual responsibility over it, and even if the facts of the matter are hitting you in the face. Now, if you're done asking me about unrelated claims that I'm not making, we can drop this vacuous exchange.

If you can't do anything but repeat yourself 50 times, you ought to stop starting conversations with me.

I've already told you I never, at any moment, dismissed that she was doing the salute. If you recall, this was at a time when clickbaiters were desperately trying to milk the appearance of any kind of white supremacy or Nazi connection to Trump. They had just tried to frame the right-hand voting pledge as the Nazi salute. Skepticism was totally appropriate. Even calling me an apologist over a non-issue like this now assumes that there's something to apologize for.

Drone, this link explains what was going on in case you didn't see it: http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/03/12/trump-supporter-who-made-nazi-salute-explains-why-she-made-the-gesture/
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23173 Posts
May 01 2016 17:28 GMT
#74217
On May 02 2016 02:18 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2016 02:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 02 2016 02:04 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:43 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:31 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
Sanders raises $26m in April


WOOOHOOO!!!

And this is during his desperate plea for people to help him win NY.

This election, both parties were dealt a demagogue ready to give us the world if only we were willing to demonize a certain group. The democratic party has made me proud by having the collective sense to realize that while we support many of his ideas, Bernie is ultimately bad for our country as president.

Cheers, my fellow progressives!


Why? Also, the article explains that even though it's less than last month, it's still nearly $10M above the monthly average for his campaign.


Sure, above the average because he used to be polling at like 4%. His funding has been growing pretty much this entire time. And the funding pushes were massive to try to somehow do ok in NY. And after losing so bad in the NE, this news is going to discourage people from donating more. We're going to see both Sanders and Cruz supporters having particularly low turnout in Indiana after a series of morale killing news cycles. He just keeps losing things he says he's gonna win. S4P is even losing a ton of focus. Its less about mobilizing and more about optimistic articles. The whole thing is falling apart because it had no core to begin with. This is a like 41% decrease. That's totally insane. People dropped him bad.


Okay, but can you please answer me why you think Bernie is bad for our country as president?


Out of all conversations our forum is had, this is perhaps the subject I have spoken on in the most depth. I just can't bring myself to type up the detail I have so far, but you may be able to argue me into elaborating.

In short:

1. If we were to call governance some kinda class where people study and learn how to do things. How to regulate, legislate, make things happen, etc. I think Bernie would score poorly compared to Clinton. Looking at their LinkedIn profile, I would hire Clinton before even scheduling an interview with Bernie. You can disagree with what she did as SoS, but I think she gained a ton of value experience and will have more knowledge with which to make future decisions in terms of governance. It's not just that Clinton is great. It's also that Bernie has been a 1 trick pony his entire political career (something he somehow tries to spin as positive). He comes across as so wildly ignorant in so many interviews I just can't see past it.

2. Bernie takes stances, openly, which say "We have tried to work with ___ and tried to get ____. We can't get half of what we want? That's it. I want all of it. I want every fucking bit because I am tired of compromising my values!". That's the thinking that shut down the government, 100%. I can't support someone who lets themselves think like that. It isn't logical or reasonable in any way. It is principled, but I don't think being principled is intrinsically good. I think Bernie is a perfect example of when being principled is a bad thing.

On May 02 2016 01:56 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:43 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:31 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
Sanders raises $26m in April


WOOOHOOO!!!

And this is during his desperate plea for people to help him win NY.

This election, both parties were dealt a demagogue ready to give us the world if only we were willing to demonize a certain group. The democratic party has made me proud by having the collective sense to realize that while we support many of his ideas, Bernie is ultimately bad for our country as president.

Cheers, my fellow progressives!


Why? Also, the article explains that even though it's less than last month, it's still nearly $10M above the monthly average for his campaign.


Sure, above the average because he used to be polling at like 4%. His funding has been growing pretty much this entire time. And the funding pushes were massive to try to somehow do ok in NY. And after losing so bad in the NE, this news is going to discourage people from donating more. We're going to see both Sanders and Cruz supporters having particularly low turnout in Indiana after a series of morale killing news cycles. He just keeps losing things he says he's gonna win. S4P is even losing a ton of focus. Its less about mobilizing and more about optimistic articles. The whole thing is falling apart because it had no core to begin with. This is a like 41% decrease. That's totally insane. People dropped him bad.


I'm guessing the reason Hillary isn't running any ads in upcoming states and has 20 primary fundraisers over the next week is because her donor base is so much stronger?

How many fundraiser events has either had, and who is raising more money for their campaign and from who again?

As for Wilmore, that performance wasn't for you guys or the people in that audience (most of them anyway), black people, for the most part, thought that was the funniest Wilmore's ever been.


You're the only one here who doesn't realize the primary election is over. It is all posturing from here. The fact that you keep thinking Clinton needs to clinch the nomination before the convention is so telling. You just have no sense of what is realistic and what isn't. If Hilary Clinton has a single delegate above Bernie, she will receive an overwhelming number of delegates. The DNC is strongly against Bernie for a variety of reasons. Many of which I think are shared opinions with myself. Bernie's only hope is majority. That is gone. It really, really is gone.


So if it's over why does she have 20 fundraising events this week for it? She doesn't realize it's over too, or she is posturing that she'll still be dependent on big money donors in the general too?


She'll still be dependent on big money donors in the general election. That's a given. That's how things are done and how they will continue to be done this election. Maybe even the next one. Big money behind the left and the right is going to be how this election goes. This is nothing new, it shouldn't be hard for you to imagine.




There's someone outraising her without them, she's the only viable candidate using the corrupting citizens united case to her advantage. To act as if it is a necessary evil ignores that she's being outraised by someone who isn't exploiting it.

On May 02 2016 02:19 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2016 02:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 02 2016 02:04 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:43 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:31 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
Sanders raises $26m in April


WOOOHOOO!!!

And this is during his desperate plea for people to help him win NY.

This election, both parties were dealt a demagogue ready to give us the world if only we were willing to demonize a certain group. The democratic party has made me proud by having the collective sense to realize that while we support many of his ideas, Bernie is ultimately bad for our country as president.

Cheers, my fellow progressives!


Why? Also, the article explains that even though it's less than last month, it's still nearly $10M above the monthly average for his campaign.


Sure, above the average because he used to be polling at like 4%. His funding has been growing pretty much this entire time. And the funding pushes were massive to try to somehow do ok in NY. And after losing so bad in the NE, this news is going to discourage people from donating more. We're going to see both Sanders and Cruz supporters having particularly low turnout in Indiana after a series of morale killing news cycles. He just keeps losing things he says he's gonna win. S4P is even losing a ton of focus. Its less about mobilizing and more about optimistic articles. The whole thing is falling apart because it had no core to begin with. This is a like 41% decrease. That's totally insane. People dropped him bad.


Okay, but can you please answer me why you think Bernie is bad for our country as president?


Out of all conversations our forum is had, this is perhaps the subject I have spoken on in the most depth. I just can't bring myself to type up the detail I have so far, but you may be able to argue me into elaborating.

In short:

1. If we were to call governance some kinda class where people study and learn how to do things. How to regulate, legislate, make things happen, etc. I think Bernie would score poorly compared to Clinton. Looking at their LinkedIn profile, I would hire Clinton before even scheduling an interview with Bernie. You can disagree with what she did as SoS, but I think she gained a ton of value experience and will have more knowledge with which to make future decisions in terms of governance. It's not just that Clinton is great. It's also that Bernie has been a 1 trick pony his entire political career (something he somehow tries to spin as positive). He comes across as so wildly ignorant in so many interviews I just can't see past it.

2. Bernie takes stances, openly, which say "We have tried to work with ___ and tried to get ____. We can't get half of what we want? That's it. I want all of it. I want every fucking bit because I am tired of compromising my values!". That's the thinking that shut down the government, 100%. I can't support someone who lets themselves think like that. It isn't logical or reasonable in any way. It is principled, but I don't think being principled is intrinsically good. I think Bernie is a perfect example of when being principled is a bad thing.

On May 02 2016 01:56 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:43 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:31 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
Sanders raises $26m in April


WOOOHOOO!!!

And this is during his desperate plea for people to help him win NY.

This election, both parties were dealt a demagogue ready to give us the world if only we were willing to demonize a certain group. The democratic party has made me proud by having the collective sense to realize that while we support many of his ideas, Bernie is ultimately bad for our country as president.

Cheers, my fellow progressives!


Why? Also, the article explains that even though it's less than last month, it's still nearly $10M above the monthly average for his campaign.


Sure, above the average because he used to be polling at like 4%. His funding has been growing pretty much this entire time. And the funding pushes were massive to try to somehow do ok in NY. And after losing so bad in the NE, this news is going to discourage people from donating more. We're going to see both Sanders and Cruz supporters having particularly low turnout in Indiana after a series of morale killing news cycles. He just keeps losing things he says he's gonna win. S4P is even losing a ton of focus. Its less about mobilizing and more about optimistic articles. The whole thing is falling apart because it had no core to begin with. This is a like 41% decrease. That's totally insane. People dropped him bad.


I'm guessing the reason Hillary isn't running any ads in upcoming states and has 20 primary fundraisers over the next week is because her donor base is so much stronger?

How many fundraiser events has either had, and who is raising more money for their campaign and from who again?

As for Wilmore, that performance wasn't for you guys or the people in that audience (most of them anyway), black people, for the most part, thought that was the funniest Wilmore's ever been.


You're the only one here who doesn't realize the primary election is over. It is all posturing from here. The fact that you keep thinking Clinton needs to clinch the nomination before the convention is so telling. You just have no sense of what is realistic and what isn't. If Hilary Clinton has a single delegate above Bernie, she will receive an overwhelming number of delegates. The DNC is strongly against Bernie for a variety of reasons. Many of which I think are shared opinions with myself. Bernie's only hope is majority. That is gone. It really, really is gone.


So if it's over why does she have 20 fundraising events this week for it? She doesn't realize it's over too, or she is posturing that she'll still be dependent on big money donors in the general too?

Its ... its ... almost as if there is a general election still to come.



Except they're not for general election money they are for primary money?
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15664 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-01 17:40:48
May 01 2016 17:33 GMT
#74218
On May 02 2016 02:28 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2016 02:18 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 02:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 02 2016 02:04 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:43 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:31 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
Sanders raises $26m in April


WOOOHOOO!!!

And this is during his desperate plea for people to help him win NY.

This election, both parties were dealt a demagogue ready to give us the world if only we were willing to demonize a certain group. The democratic party has made me proud by having the collective sense to realize that while we support many of his ideas, Bernie is ultimately bad for our country as president.

Cheers, my fellow progressives!


Why? Also, the article explains that even though it's less than last month, it's still nearly $10M above the monthly average for his campaign.


Sure, above the average because he used to be polling at like 4%. His funding has been growing pretty much this entire time. And the funding pushes were massive to try to somehow do ok in NY. And after losing so bad in the NE, this news is going to discourage people from donating more. We're going to see both Sanders and Cruz supporters having particularly low turnout in Indiana after a series of morale killing news cycles. He just keeps losing things he says he's gonna win. S4P is even losing a ton of focus. Its less about mobilizing and more about optimistic articles. The whole thing is falling apart because it had no core to begin with. This is a like 41% decrease. That's totally insane. People dropped him bad.


Okay, but can you please answer me why you think Bernie is bad for our country as president?


Out of all conversations our forum is had, this is perhaps the subject I have spoken on in the most depth. I just can't bring myself to type up the detail I have so far, but you may be able to argue me into elaborating.

In short:

1. If we were to call governance some kinda class where people study and learn how to do things. How to regulate, legislate, make things happen, etc. I think Bernie would score poorly compared to Clinton. Looking at their LinkedIn profile, I would hire Clinton before even scheduling an interview with Bernie. You can disagree with what she did as SoS, but I think she gained a ton of value experience and will have more knowledge with which to make future decisions in terms of governance. It's not just that Clinton is great. It's also that Bernie has been a 1 trick pony his entire political career (something he somehow tries to spin as positive). He comes across as so wildly ignorant in so many interviews I just can't see past it.

2. Bernie takes stances, openly, which say "We have tried to work with ___ and tried to get ____. We can't get half of what we want? That's it. I want all of it. I want every fucking bit because I am tired of compromising my values!". That's the thinking that shut down the government, 100%. I can't support someone who lets themselves think like that. It isn't logical or reasonable in any way. It is principled, but I don't think being principled is intrinsically good. I think Bernie is a perfect example of when being principled is a bad thing.

On May 02 2016 01:56 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:43 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:31 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
Sanders raises $26m in April


WOOOHOOO!!!

And this is during his desperate plea for people to help him win NY.

This election, both parties were dealt a demagogue ready to give us the world if only we were willing to demonize a certain group. The democratic party has made me proud by having the collective sense to realize that while we support many of his ideas, Bernie is ultimately bad for our country as president.

Cheers, my fellow progressives!


Why? Also, the article explains that even though it's less than last month, it's still nearly $10M above the monthly average for his campaign.


Sure, above the average because he used to be polling at like 4%. His funding has been growing pretty much this entire time. And the funding pushes were massive to try to somehow do ok in NY. And after losing so bad in the NE, this news is going to discourage people from donating more. We're going to see both Sanders and Cruz supporters having particularly low turnout in Indiana after a series of morale killing news cycles. He just keeps losing things he says he's gonna win. S4P is even losing a ton of focus. Its less about mobilizing and more about optimistic articles. The whole thing is falling apart because it had no core to begin with. This is a like 41% decrease. That's totally insane. People dropped him bad.


I'm guessing the reason Hillary isn't running any ads in upcoming states and has 20 primary fundraisers over the next week is because her donor base is so much stronger?

How many fundraiser events has either had, and who is raising more money for their campaign and from who again?

As for Wilmore, that performance wasn't for you guys or the people in that audience (most of them anyway), black people, for the most part, thought that was the funniest Wilmore's ever been.


You're the only one here who doesn't realize the primary election is over. It is all posturing from here. The fact that you keep thinking Clinton needs to clinch the nomination before the convention is so telling. You just have no sense of what is realistic and what isn't. If Hilary Clinton has a single delegate above Bernie, she will receive an overwhelming number of delegates. The DNC is strongly against Bernie for a variety of reasons. Many of which I think are shared opinions with myself. Bernie's only hope is majority. That is gone. It really, really is gone.


So if it's over why does she have 20 fundraising events this week for it? She doesn't realize it's over too, or she is posturing that she'll still be dependent on big money donors in the general too?


She'll still be dependent on big money donors in the general election. That's a given. That's how things are done and how they will continue to be done this election. Maybe even the next one. Big money behind the left and the right is going to be how this election goes. This is nothing new, it shouldn't be hard for you to imagine.




There's someone outraising her without them, she's the only viable candidate using the corrupting citizens united case to her advantage. To act as if it is a necessary evil ignores that she's being outraised by someone who isn't exploiting it.


That doesn't matter at all. Bernie lost the election because of reasons that have nothing to do with fundraising. He didn't get enough votes and we are going to use the system the person with the most votes uses. How in the world do you keep feeling like you are making a point? He lost and his system of getting elected is poor and ineffective. Now that he can't hit the majority, we are moving on to the general election. His message didn't resonate well enough and the Clinton campaign waged a strong war against him, done just right. She played the game right and the north east gave our glorious goddess the final bump she needed.

EDIT: are candidates only able to fundraise for one election at a time? If so, I imagine our goddess has a way around it. She's very resourceful.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-01 17:44:00
May 01 2016 17:43 GMT
#74219
WASHINGTON — Donald Trump holds a double-digit lead over his Republican rivals in Indiana’s GOP primary, according to a new NBC/Wall Street Journal/Marist poll released Sunday.

Nearly half of the state’s likely Republican primary voters, 49 percent, said they support Trump, while 34 percent back Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and 13 percent support Ohio Gov. John Kasich.

With less than three days left before Hoosiers go to the polls on Tuesday, Trump’s 15-point lead over his nearest rival is the latest sign that the GOP front-runner has a realistic shot at amassing the 1,237 delegates needed to win the nomination outright.

Indiana awards a total of 57 Republican primary delegates, 30 to the winner statewide, and another 27 to the winners of its nine congressional districts. Trump currently has 996 pledged delegates.

It’s difficult to overstate the significance of Indiana to the “Stop Trump” movement. Home to large blocs of socially conservative and evangelical Republicans, Indiana is widely seen as the last state in the nominating process where Cruz stands a chance of defeating Trump.

“The entire country is looking to Indiana,” Cruz said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “And I think the country is really depending on Indiana to choose the direction of this race.”

The new poll also reveals that a last-minute plan hatched by the Cruz and Kasich campaigns to cut into Trump’s support may have backfired.


Source
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23173 Posts
May 01 2016 17:43 GMT
#74220
On May 02 2016 02:33 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2016 02:28 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 02 2016 02:18 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 02:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 02 2016 02:04 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:43 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:31 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
Sanders raises $26m in April


WOOOHOOO!!!

And this is during his desperate plea for people to help him win NY.

This election, both parties were dealt a demagogue ready to give us the world if only we were willing to demonize a certain group. The democratic party has made me proud by having the collective sense to realize that while we support many of his ideas, Bernie is ultimately bad for our country as president.

Cheers, my fellow progressives!


Why? Also, the article explains that even though it's less than last month, it's still nearly $10M above the monthly average for his campaign.


Sure, above the average because he used to be polling at like 4%. His funding has been growing pretty much this entire time. And the funding pushes were massive to try to somehow do ok in NY. And after losing so bad in the NE, this news is going to discourage people from donating more. We're going to see both Sanders and Cruz supporters having particularly low turnout in Indiana after a series of morale killing news cycles. He just keeps losing things he says he's gonna win. S4P is even losing a ton of focus. Its less about mobilizing and more about optimistic articles. The whole thing is falling apart because it had no core to begin with. This is a like 41% decrease. That's totally insane. People dropped him bad.


Okay, but can you please answer me why you think Bernie is bad for our country as president?


Out of all conversations our forum is had, this is perhaps the subject I have spoken on in the most depth. I just can't bring myself to type up the detail I have so far, but you may be able to argue me into elaborating.

In short:

1. If we were to call governance some kinda class where people study and learn how to do things. How to regulate, legislate, make things happen, etc. I think Bernie would score poorly compared to Clinton. Looking at their LinkedIn profile, I would hire Clinton before even scheduling an interview with Bernie. You can disagree with what she did as SoS, but I think she gained a ton of value experience and will have more knowledge with which to make future decisions in terms of governance. It's not just that Clinton is great. It's also that Bernie has been a 1 trick pony his entire political career (something he somehow tries to spin as positive). He comes across as so wildly ignorant in so many interviews I just can't see past it.

2. Bernie takes stances, openly, which say "We have tried to work with ___ and tried to get ____. We can't get half of what we want? That's it. I want all of it. I want every fucking bit because I am tired of compromising my values!". That's the thinking that shut down the government, 100%. I can't support someone who lets themselves think like that. It isn't logical or reasonable in any way. It is principled, but I don't think being principled is intrinsically good. I think Bernie is a perfect example of when being principled is a bad thing.

On May 02 2016 01:56 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:43 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:31 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 02 2016 01:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
Sanders raises $26m in April


WOOOHOOO!!!

And this is during his desperate plea for people to help him win NY.

This election, both parties were dealt a demagogue ready to give us the world if only we were willing to demonize a certain group. The democratic party has made me proud by having the collective sense to realize that while we support many of his ideas, Bernie is ultimately bad for our country as president.

Cheers, my fellow progressives!


Why? Also, the article explains that even though it's less than last month, it's still nearly $10M above the monthly average for his campaign.


Sure, above the average because he used to be polling at like 4%. His funding has been growing pretty much this entire time. And the funding pushes were massive to try to somehow do ok in NY. And after losing so bad in the NE, this news is going to discourage people from donating more. We're going to see both Sanders and Cruz supporters having particularly low turnout in Indiana after a series of morale killing news cycles. He just keeps losing things he says he's gonna win. S4P is even losing a ton of focus. Its less about mobilizing and more about optimistic articles. The whole thing is falling apart because it had no core to begin with. This is a like 41% decrease. That's totally insane. People dropped him bad.


I'm guessing the reason Hillary isn't running any ads in upcoming states and has 20 primary fundraisers over the next week is because her donor base is so much stronger?

How many fundraiser events has either had, and who is raising more money for their campaign and from who again?

As for Wilmore, that performance wasn't for you guys or the people in that audience (most of them anyway), black people, for the most part, thought that was the funniest Wilmore's ever been.


You're the only one here who doesn't realize the primary election is over. It is all posturing from here. The fact that you keep thinking Clinton needs to clinch the nomination before the convention is so telling. You just have no sense of what is realistic and what isn't. If Hilary Clinton has a single delegate above Bernie, she will receive an overwhelming number of delegates. The DNC is strongly against Bernie for a variety of reasons. Many of which I think are shared opinions with myself. Bernie's only hope is majority. That is gone. It really, really is gone.


So if it's over why does she have 20 fundraising events this week for it? She doesn't realize it's over too, or she is posturing that she'll still be dependent on big money donors in the general too?


She'll still be dependent on big money donors in the general election. That's a given. That's how things are done and how they will continue to be done this election. Maybe even the next one. Big money behind the left and the right is going to be how this election goes. This is nothing new, it shouldn't be hard for you to imagine.




There's someone outraising her without them, she's the only viable candidate using the corrupting citizens united case to her advantage. To act as if it is a necessary evil ignores that she's being outraised by someone who isn't exploiting it.


That doesn't matter at all. Bernie lost the election because of reasons that have nothing to do with fundraising. He didn't get enough votes and we are going to use the system the person with the most votes uses. How in the world do you keep feeling like you are making a point? He lost and his system of getting elected is poor and ineffective. Now that he can't hit the majority, we are moving on to the general election. His message didn't resonate well enough and the Clinton campaign waged a strong war against him, done just right. She played the game right and the north east gave our glorious goddess the final bump she needed.


So despite someone proving that Hillary didn't need to exploit citizens united we're all supposed to accept that she's justified in her exploitation of it?

No she shouldn't have used it, and no it's not "just how things are" If Bernie and Trump were the nominees neither would have used it, so there would be no justification to start using it in the general. With Hillary as the nominee Trump would be given the opportunity to whack her for using it, then get his own and claim he is defending himself against Democrats exploiting citizens united (and he'd be right).

"glorious goddess" lol.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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