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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-20 02:11:36
April 20 2016 02:10 GMT
#72761
I think it was the same in 08 too with Obama, still suprising I guess.

in this thread Bernie supporters get shit on, yet on most social media canals(esp reddit) Hillary supporters get shit on.

neither are representative for the supporters on either side(hopefully).
WriterXiao8~~
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
April 20 2016 02:10 GMT
#72762
On April 20 2016 11:07 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I'm a bit surprised at how many more people voting democrat than republican here.

I know it's NY and all, but damn.


Funny how Sanders would win NY today. I wonder how good an indicator primary voter turnout will be on general election this year. Turnout is so high that it might just be a repeat o.0
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24335 Posts
April 20 2016 02:11 GMT
#72763
On April 20 2016 11:07 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2016 10:49 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 20 2016 10:47 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Are we still expecting Bernie to go till the end or drop out?

He's going to need what, 70% of the popular vote after today to catch Hillary when neglecting super delegates after today?


It's not likely to stay 60 - 40, so yeah he's going to continue. I think regardless, he's going to stay in the spot light in case after a couple months of savaging from Trump, Hillary doesn't look like such a strong nominee.

lol what do you mean? winning from behind?


I'm saying she's already lost ~1% since that post, with less than 60%, she gets significantly less delegates than if she had gotten more.

Also that he's not going to just endorse her and go away. After Trump savages Hillary for a couple months (either during the primary or after) the growing support may look better than the waning support of Hillary.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
April 20 2016 02:14 GMT
#72764
On April 20 2016 11:10 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2016 11:07 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I'm a bit surprised at how many more people voting democrat than republican here.

I know it's NY and all, but damn.


Funny how Sanders would win NY today. I wonder how good an indicator primary voter turnout will be on general election this year. Turnout is so high that it might just be a repeat o.0


Supposedly not that good from what I've read, since earlier in the campaign Republicans were having way more voters and that there aren't many conclusions to draw from it.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
April 20 2016 02:14 GMT
#72765
i do hope you keep believing in that. i welcome a tea party of the left. would be fun.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24335 Posts
April 20 2016 02:16 GMT
#72766
On April 20 2016 11:14 oneofthem wrote:
i do hope you keep believing in that. i welcome a tea party of the left. would be fun.


Won't be surprised if a few months from now (provided the superdelegates side with Hillary) Democrats are falling at Sanders supporters feet for not giving up and keeping him around as a viable alternative.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
April 20 2016 02:18 GMT
#72767
Bernie to speak in 30

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/2016/04/19/watch-bernie-sanders-holds-news-conference-945-pm-vermont/83260964/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 20 2016 02:19 GMT
#72768
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Reaper9
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1724 Posts
April 20 2016 02:21 GMT
#72769
Don't know what Cruz expected with that comment lol.
I post only when my brain works.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11605 Posts
April 20 2016 02:24 GMT
#72770
Win a battle, but lose a war?
Or perhaps win the Iowa battle, but lose the bigger NY battle.
Moderator5000 of our finest Taliban warriors have been released! Rise up my brothers. Mashalla! al-Donald ibn-Frederick al-Masih allows it.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-20 02:25:19
April 20 2016 02:24 GMT
#72771
On April 20 2016 11:18 ticklishmusic wrote:
Bernie to speak in 30

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/2016/04/19/watch-bernie-sanders-holds-news-conference-945-pm-vermont/83260964/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

huh

isnt it way past 9:45 pm in Vermon

oh its on already.
WriterXiao8~~
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24335 Posts
April 20 2016 02:25 GMT
#72772
On April 20 2016 11:18 ticklishmusic wrote:
Bernie to speak in 30

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/2016/04/19/watch-bernie-sanders-holds-news-conference-945-pm-vermont/83260964/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter



Bernie confirms he's not dropping out and still plans to win. Expresses serious concerns about the voting in New York and that the Comptroller also spoke about a rash of "irregularities".

Concerns about ~30% of registered voters being excluded from today's voting. Hillary not so concerned about them not being able to participate.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
April 20 2016 02:28 GMT
#72773
On April 20 2016 11:25 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2016 11:18 ticklishmusic wrote:
Bernie to speak in 30

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/2016/04/19/watch-bernie-sanders-holds-news-conference-945-pm-vermont/83260964/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter



Bernie confirms he's not dropping out and still plans to win. Expresses serious concerns about the voting in New York and that the Comptroller also spoke about a rash of "irregularities".

Concerns about ~30% of registered voters being excluded from today's voting. Hillary not so concerned about them not being able to participate.



Her campaign was talking about them all day but no matter how it turned out it did not matter. Even if it was enough to completely erase this deficit (which is unlikely but lets say somehow it draws him to a tie or even a 2 point win) then the deficit in pledged delagates is still far to big at this point in the election for him to come back on with proportional allocation especially with the coming states favoring her greatly.

I agree its an issue and both sides spent all day complaining about it but at the end of the day its good this was discovered in an already decided primary instead of in a contested general election.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24335 Posts
April 20 2016 02:35 GMT
#72774
On April 20 2016 11:28 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2016 11:25 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 20 2016 11:18 ticklishmusic wrote:
Bernie to speak in 30

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/2016/04/19/watch-bernie-sanders-holds-news-conference-945-pm-vermont/83260964/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter



Bernie confirms he's not dropping out and still plans to win. Expresses serious concerns about the voting in New York and that the Comptroller also spoke about a rash of "irregularities".

Concerns about ~30% of registered voters being excluded from today's voting. Hillary not so concerned about them not being able to participate.



Her campaign was talking about them all day but no matter how it turned out it did not matter. Even if it was enough to completely erase this deficit (which is unlikely but lets say somehow it draws him to a tie or even a 2 point win) then the deficit in pledged delagates is still far to big at this point in the election for him to come back on with proportional allocation especially with the coming states favoring her greatly.

I agree its an issue and both sides spent all day complaining about it but at the end of the day its good this was discovered in an already decided primary instead of in a contested general election.


Did Hillary say something about it I missed?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 20 2016 02:39 GMT
#72775
On April 20 2016 11:28 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2016 11:25 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 20 2016 11:18 ticklishmusic wrote:
Bernie to speak in 30

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/2016/04/19/watch-bernie-sanders-holds-news-conference-945-pm-vermont/83260964/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter



Bernie confirms he's not dropping out and still plans to win. Expresses serious concerns about the voting in New York and that the Comptroller also spoke about a rash of "irregularities".

Concerns about ~30% of registered voters being excluded from today's voting. Hillary not so concerned about them not being able to participate.



Her campaign was talking about them all day but no matter how it turned out it did not matter. Even if it was enough to completely erase this deficit (which is unlikely but lets say somehow it draws him to a tie or even a 2 point win) then the deficit in pledged delagates is still far to big at this point in the election for him to come back on with proportional allocation especially with the coming states favoring her greatly.

I agree its an issue and both sides spent all day complaining about it but at the end of the day its good this was discovered in an already decided primary instead of in a contested general election.


That's because she needs to them to vote her or Cruz/Trump waltz right into the Oval office. Among Sander supporters her numbers are dismal.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
April 20 2016 02:41 GMT
#72776
sanders supporters can show themselves right now i don't even care lol.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
April 20 2016 02:45 GMT
#72777
On April 20 2016 11:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2016 11:28 Adreme wrote:
On April 20 2016 11:25 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 20 2016 11:18 ticklishmusic wrote:
Bernie to speak in 30

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/2016/04/19/watch-bernie-sanders-holds-news-conference-945-pm-vermont/83260964/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter



Bernie confirms he's not dropping out and still plans to win. Expresses serious concerns about the voting in New York and that the Comptroller also spoke about a rash of "irregularities".

Concerns about ~30% of registered voters being excluded from today's voting. Hillary not so concerned about them not being able to participate.



Her campaign was talking about them all day but no matter how it turned out it did not matter. Even if it was enough to completely erase this deficit (which is unlikely but lets say somehow it draws him to a tie or even a 2 point win) then the deficit in pledged delagates is still far to big at this point in the election for him to come back on with proportional allocation especially with the coming states favoring her greatly.

I agree its an issue and both sides spent all day complaining about it but at the end of the day its good this was discovered in an already decided primary instead of in a contested general election.


That's because she needs to them to vote her or Cruz/Trump waltz right into the Oval office. Among Sander supporters her numbers are dismal.


I believe in 2008 Obama was doing far worse among Hilary's voters around this time to the point where there was a serious concern that Hilary voters going for McCain could be what loses democrats an unlosable election.

As for the general I honestly do not think she is as much worried about Trump or Cruz winning (there numbers are so dismal i wouldnt even worry about it) but she is worried about Bernie supporters staying home and not voting thus not giving her the numbers in congress she needs to do things. At her core she is a pragmatist and this is the more logical concern so its probably why she was talking about having plans to implement versions of Bernies ideas in her speech to try and make herself more acceptable in a general.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14203 Posts
April 20 2016 02:45 GMT
#72778
you don't care for about half the parties base really not likeing the presumptive nominee?

Dems should be a lot more scared looking at those numbers then they are now I think. I would think the argument between the base being too unhappy to show up vs being too pissed at trump to not vote is not the one they want the election to be about.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
April 20 2016 02:47 GMT
#72779
08 wasn't an ideological divide. just women getting into fits or whatnot. this though, will not pass.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-20 02:49:21
April 20 2016 02:48 GMT
#72780
On April 20 2016 11:45 Sermokala wrote:
you don't care for about half the parties base really not likeing the presumptive nominee?


That's also the case for the Republican party, I really don't see how the alienation in the Democratic party is bigger than the respective Republican situation. Hillary doesn't need 100% of the Dem party she only needs to win the general election
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