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LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-01 08:45:58
April 01 2016 08:43 GMT
#70221
Lol Testie, what "Honest Journalism" are you talking about here?
US Media have always been incredibly biased, on left or right, even all of us around the world know that.

And cruz is an outright Psychopath, way more dangerous than Trump I hope everyone sees that. If you want a cold calculating Frank Underwood like figure who unlike Hillary actually can make himself appear reasonably sincere with his pre-orchestrated phrases, Cruz is your man. You can see the difference between him and Trump - when Trump owned him in the debate NY Values there was just a smirk on Cruz's face when he knew he lost. Where Trump tends to lose his shit visibly when you attack even his hands.

If Cruz actually had charisma of Bill Clinton or Obama calibre we'd be all screwed
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Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
April 01 2016 08:55 GMT
#70222
On April 01 2016 10:46 Soularion wrote:
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On April 01 2016 10:31 Slaughter wrote:
Wisconsin to Cruz? That doesn't seem to be a state that would be in his roundhouse.

Yeah, it's an odd upset that I think proves how big the anti-Trump movement is. Although - just like every poll is showing him losing Wisconsin, pretty much - he's also winning NY by 50+ which should be enough to get him towards that magic number unless everything goes wrong.

Also, Sanders handily winning Wisconsin polling now. A 5-6 point win still isn't what he wants from the state, but considering his history of outperforming polls he should hit his benchmark pretty nicely.


The target is +16 (see 538 above).
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
April 01 2016 10:50 GMT
#70223
Media is biased mostly towards the establishment more news at 11.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
April 01 2016 10:59 GMT
#70224
https://berniesingles.com/


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SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
April 01 2016 12:33 GMT
#70225
I agree that the media being corrrupt isn't any breaking news. However, i think that testie is right in that it has reached to a ridiculous level of dishonesty and corruption. I pretty much watch every trump rally, speech and debate on youtube. The level that they twist trumps words around is obscene. They are completly out in the open about and don't even care how obvious it is.
puerk
Profile Joined February 2015
Germany855 Posts
April 01 2016 12:42 GMT
#70226
On April 01 2016 21:33 SolaR- wrote:
I agree that the media being corrrupt isn't any breaking news. However, i think that testie is right in that it has reached to a ridiculous level of dishonesty and corruption. I pretty much watch every trump rally, speech and debate on youtube. The level that they twist trumps words around is obscene. They are completly out in the open about and don't even care how obvious it is.

how is this spin?: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/03/21/a-transcript-of-donald-trumps-meeting-with-the-washington-post-editorial-board/

it is the full hour long interview transcript, and he seriously stumbles and bumbles total painfully stupid bullshit
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-01 12:43:02
April 01 2016 12:42 GMT
#70227
Bernie supporters care about her emails? When did that happen? I couldn't possibly give a fuck less about them. She's got a lot of problems, Benghazi and emails don't even register on the list.

I don't know if I'd go so far as to call Trump a sociopath but he without a doubt has Narcissistic Personality Disorder. He fits that bill to a T. Thinks he's literally gods gift to everything but has the thinnest skin in the known universe.

The media has a bias, always has, always will. There's no way of reporting that doesn't involve influencing the story somehow. I don't think linking to anything involving Milo is helping your argument though. He's in the same boat as Trump and Cruz. Even if they had 1 idea I could agree with they're such despicable pieces of shit that nothing they say is of any value to me. If you want to cry about the media don't then go to a video of a high ranking member of a joke of a site.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18832 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-01 12:48:06
April 01 2016 12:46 GMT
#70228
On April 01 2016 21:42 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Bernie supporters care about her emails? When did that happen? I couldn't possibly give a fuck less about them. She's got a lot of problems, Benghazi and emails don't even register on the list.

I don't know if I'd go so far as to call Trump a sociopath but he without a doubt has Narcissistic Personality Disorder. He fits that bill to a T. Thinks he's literally gods gift to everything but has the thinnest skin in the known universe.

The media has a bias, always has, always will. There's no way of reporting that doesn't involve influencing the story somehow. I don't think linking to anything involving Milo is helping your argument though. He's in the same boat as Trump and Cruz. Even if they had 1 idea I could agree with they're such despicable pieces of shit that nothing they say is of any value to me. If you want to cry about the media don't then go to a video of a high ranking member of a joke of a site.

But society is so biased against men these days with its culture of PC over-emphasis, didn't you know?

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Milo is the hero people like Testie deserve, not the hero they need


In more accurate and useful news...

The nation’s hiring boom continued its momentum in March, with government data released Friday morning showing the economy added 215,000 jobs last month.

Employers have been bringing on workers at a rapid clip for the past two years, and the strengthening job market is encouraging many people who had been on the sidelines to start looking for work. That pushed the unemployment rate up slightly to 5 percent in March, according to the data from the Labor Department.

Healthy job growth also has helped reassure policymakers in Washington and investors on Wall Street that the U.S. economy has withstood the turmoil from overseas — at least so far. A slowdown in China is weakening global growth, particularly in developing countries that fed its once-voracious appetite for natural resources. In addition, a worldwide glut of oil has pummeled the once high-flying energy industry in America.

“Despite all the negative reports we’ve had overseas and with the energy sector melting down, still fundamentally the labor market is in great shape,” said Andrew Chamberlain, chief economist at jobs site Glassdoor. “We see no sign of slowing.”

The shaky global outlook caused wild swings in financial markets earlier this year that some analysts feared could derail the U.S. recovery. But many of those developments have since reversed: Wall Street has regained its footing, and oil prices are off the lows reached earlier this year. The U.S. dollar, which has soared since 2014, has fallen back to the levels last seen five months ago, before the Federal Reserve signaled it was ready to raise interest rates for the first time since the recession.

Meanwhile, hiring in America continued unabated. A closely watched private estimate of job growth by payroll processor ADP and Moody’s Analytics released earlier this week showed the economy created 200,000 positions in March. It indicated a surge of hiring in the trade, transportation and utilities sector, which added 42,000 jobs. The services industry was the next-biggest job creator with 28,000 positions.


US economy adds 215,000 jobs in March, jobless rate ticks up to 5 percent
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OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
April 01 2016 12:49 GMT
#70229
On April 01 2016 21:46 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2016 21:42 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Bernie supporters care about her emails? When did that happen? I couldn't possibly give a fuck less about them. She's got a lot of problems, Benghazi and emails don't even register on the list.

I don't know if I'd go so far as to call Trump a sociopath but he without a doubt has Narcissistic Personality Disorder. He fits that bill to a T. Thinks he's literally gods gift to everything but has the thinnest skin in the known universe.

The media has a bias, always has, always will. There's no way of reporting that doesn't involve influencing the story somehow. I don't think linking to anything involving Milo is helping your argument though. He's in the same boat as Trump and Cruz. Even if they had 1 idea I could agree with they're such despicable pieces of shit that nothing they say is of any value to me. If you want to cry about the media don't then go to a video of a high ranking member of a joke of a site.

But society is so biased against men these days with its culture of PC over-emphasis, didn't you know?


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Milo is the hero people like Testie deserve, not the hero they need


I don't disagree that this obsession with being PC goes too far. Doesn't change the fact that Milo is a skid stain of a human who shock jocks things to get attention.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18832 Posts
April 01 2016 12:50 GMT
#70230
Damnit Ouchy, I was being facetious!
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
April 01 2016 14:04 GMT
#70231
Speaking of PC, my alma mater made international news over kids whining about someone chalking "make america great again" somewhere on campus. This is why I don't go back very often.
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13984 Posts
April 01 2016 14:07 GMT
#70232
Its not like Drumpf is doing himself any favors in the "what he really thinks" category. He clearly has no problem saying sexist and raciest things even by republican standards. He lacks any dignity or self control as a politician nor does he have any policy that hes proposing will help us.

Granted I doubt anyone was seeing the GOP presidential bench get so exposed on the campaign trail but trump has reinvented the shitshow nomination cycle.
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ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
April 01 2016 14:28 GMT
#70233
On April 01 2016 16:16 SK.Testie wrote:
They're very, very different. Cruz is not even representing his real positions in this campaign, if he has any.

Cruz is copying Trump for votes and in some cases attempting to outdo him. i.e. patrolling Muslim neighbourhoods. But he's really not remotely like Trump. He's pretending to be like Trump because he's seen how well it's worked. But he's far behind him in both votes and delegates.

Trump is the most misrepresented man in America right now. The media literally does not care about facts right now with regard to Trump. The headlines that CNN chooses on what stays up for X amount of time and what doesn't get reported (even if it's a bigger story) is downright absurd at this point. They simply have a mission, destroy this man. A shame they never show all the great things he's done, does, and instead misrepresent and blow anything he's ever said out of proportion. Twitter censored both the TedCruz sex scandal & the #stopislam hashtags recently. Zuckerberg working with Merkel.

If CNN, the NYT, etc weren't buried so far up Hillary's ass the coverage would look a lot different. It's funny how Bernie supporters have realized this and their anger is everywhere about it all over the internet. All of a sudden Bernie's supporters are the #1 proponents of looking into Hillary's e-mails & they don't notice the hilarity of themselves basically being the Republicans on the Benghazi committee.

But seriously, Cruz should leave a slime trail when he walks. I think Eri misrepresents Trump when he calls him a sociopath. I really doubt he's a sociopath. Cruz? Yes. Trump? No. His motto is clear, if someone's trying to take you down, they are fair game to get dragged into a fight that they probably weren't expecting.

One of the countless examples of even CNN going with outright lies.
The 15 year old who was "sexually assaulted" & pepper sprayed at Trump rally.
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I'm genuinely concerned that the "regressive left" thinks the media not even caring about facts anymore is a bad thing. So long as the end justifies the means. This is not even close to honest journalism anymore.

Excellent interview within.
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Embrace your inner tinfoil hat Testie. I won't speak for other posters, but I don't need the media (which is obviously biased, and has been for a long time) to show me that Trump is a dangerous buffoon. You just have to listen to him speak for 5 minutes to understand that. For someone who is trying to rail against the MSM propaganda machine, you are certainly doing your part to espouse the Trump propaganda machine.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 01 2016 14:47 GMT
#70234
On April 01 2016 21:49 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2016 21:46 farvacola wrote:
On April 01 2016 21:42 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Bernie supporters care about her emails? When did that happen? I couldn't possibly give a fuck less about them. She's got a lot of problems, Benghazi and emails don't even register on the list.

I don't know if I'd go so far as to call Trump a sociopath but he without a doubt has Narcissistic Personality Disorder. He fits that bill to a T. Thinks he's literally gods gift to everything but has the thinnest skin in the known universe.

The media has a bias, always has, always will. There's no way of reporting that doesn't involve influencing the story somehow. I don't think linking to anything involving Milo is helping your argument though. He's in the same boat as Trump and Cruz. Even if they had 1 idea I could agree with they're such despicable pieces of shit that nothing they say is of any value to me. If you want to cry about the media don't then go to a video of a high ranking member of a joke of a site.

But society is so biased against men these days with its culture of PC over-emphasis, didn't you know?


+ Show Spoiler +
Milo is the hero people like Testie deserve, not the hero they need


I don't disagree that this obsession with being PC goes too far. Doesn't change the fact that Milo is a skid stain of a human who shock jocks things to get attention.

The continued existence of Milo with his complete lack of any talent beyond pandering baffles scientist. The man’s only purpose in life is to ruin lives and stoke his own ego. And maybe try to look like a low rent Matt Smith from Dr. Who.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 01 2016 14:49 GMT
#70235
Reince Priebus, the chair of the Republican National Committee, said on Thursday evening that he's not concerned about the three remaining Republican presidential candidates' comments suggesting they may break a pledge to support the eventual nominee.

"We’re going into potentially — we don’t know for sure — but potentially an open convention. So the candidates, I think, are going to posture a little bit as far as what they are willing to do and who they’re willing to support and who they’re not," he told Fox News' Greta Van Susteren.

Van Susteren asked Priebus if he discussed the pledge with Donald Trump at their Thursday afternoon meeting. Priebus would not say whether the topic came up, but then addressed whether it would be a problem if a candidate broke the pledge to support the eventual nominee.

"I'm not really worried about in regards supporting the eventual nominee or the party," he said. "They've all agreed to that, by virtue of in one case signing our data agreement. They're not going to get the data and the tools of the RNC, and run to be our nominee, and tell me that they're not going to support the party. It doesn't work that way. They’re running to be the nominee of our party."

The RNC chair did offer a limited description of his meeting with Trump. He confirmed that the two spoke about the convention and emphasized that meetings with candidates while they are in town is not uncommon.

"We did talk about unity and working together and making sure when we go to Cleveland, and when we come out of Cleveland, that we're working in the same direction," Priebus said. "And part of that is just talking more and making sure that we’ve got open channels of communication, so pretty normal stuff actually."


Source
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Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
April 01 2016 14:54 GMT
#70236
Saying that "media" is biased is one of those glib things people say nowadays. It's manifestly silly, though, as Fox news is definitely not biased in the same way as the Guardian. So to save that "media as a whole" is biased towards the establishment is just silly.

What is true, though, is that quality media fact checks their pieces and have a high standard for this, so people who make outrageous claims get called out. That's really what's happening to the populist Trump's, Sanders's and Cruz's of this world.

As a reader or political analyst, all that's left is to read as many different sources as possible and decide for yourself (yes, you should watch Fox news as well.)
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 01 2016 15:01 GMT
#70237
A federal judge ruled Thursday that Mississippi’s ban on same-sex couples adopting children is unconstitutional, making gay adoption legal in all 50 states.

U.S. District Judge Daniel Jordan issued a preliminary injunction against the ban, citing the Supreme Court’s decision legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide last summer. The injunction blocks Mississippi from enforcing its 16-year-old anti-gay adoption law.

The Supreme Court ruling “foreclosed litigation over laws interfering with the right to marry and rights and responsibilities intertwined with marriage,” Jordan wrote. “It also seems highly unlikely that the same court that held a state cannot ban gay marriage because it would deny benefits — expressly including the right to adopt — would then conclude that married gay couples can be denied that very same benefit.”

The challenge to Mississippi’s law was filed last year by four same-sex couples, who were joined by the Campaign for Southern Equality and the Family Equality Council.

“Two sets of our clients have waited many (almost 9 and 16) years to become legal parents to the children they have loved and cared for since birth,” Roberta Kaplan, lead attorney for the plaintiffs, said in a statement. “We hope that it should finally be clear that discrimination against gay people simply because they are gay violates the Constitution in all 50 states, including Mississippi.”

The Human Rights Campaign’s Mississippi state director Rob Hill also praised the ruling.

“This welcome decision affirms that qualified same-sex couples in Mississippi seeking to become adoptive or foster parents are entitled to equal treatment under the law, and commits to the well-being of children in our state who need loving homes,” he said in a statement. “Judge Jordan has repudiated reprehensible efforts by our elected leaders to deny legal rights to our families. They are on the wrong side of history, and today’s decision confirms, yet again, that they are also on the wrong side of the law.”

The one-sentence Mississippi law — which reads, simply, “Adoption by couples of the same gender is prohibited” — was adopted in 2000. While several other states, including Alabama, Florida, Nebraska and Michigan, had similar bans, all have since been overturned.


Source
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18832 Posts
April 01 2016 15:04 GMT
#70238
Fox News tends to do a fairly good job of covering apolitical news stories, and once one gets a good grasp of their partisan inflection relative to political topics, it's usually not too difficult to sift through their bias in the interest of seizing upon the useful components of a given news story. The same goes for most of the main news outlets; a bit of critical thinking and exposure to alternative news outlets are all one needs in order to consume mainstream media without falling victim to its biased tendencies.

In most cases, simply throwing up one's hands and saying "all media is uselessly biased" is cover for some sort of ideological discomfort with what is being discussed.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42966 Posts
April 01 2016 15:06 GMT
#70239
On April 01 2016 04:25 Nyxisto wrote:
fusion is five years away from being five years away. Fission is really expensive and has lots of drawbacks. There's simply no need for it given that pretty much every developed nation could go fully renewable in the next few decades. I'm pretty sure there is some MIT study out there that has modeled this for every US state until 2050 or something

Fusion is five funded years away and will be four years away after they actually fund it for one year. It's criminally underfunded.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42966 Posts
April 01 2016 15:08 GMT
#70240
On April 01 2016 04:55 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2016 04:38 puerk wrote:
yes everything is great in france
In 2016 the European Commission assessed that France's nuclear decommissioning liabilities were seriously underfunded, with only 23 billion euros of earmarked assets to cover 74.1 billion euros of expected decommissioning costs.

it is always the same, nuclear gets huge indirect subventions for building, waste processing and decommissioning, to make it look like a sucess story, that is more a vanity project for the national soul


Bingo. If Nuclear was such a cost efficient money maker, why aren't capitalists lining up to make more nuclear plants? That capital won't do it without government help reveals that Nuclear can't be as cheap as its advocates say.

And all the cost estimates ignore the utterly unpaid for costs of dealing with the waste when we have nowhere to dispose of it (see: Yucca Mountain failure) and the uninsurable worst case scenario (Fhukushima).

Because nobody will insure it and the startup cost is extremely high. But for your information the Chinese government is actively building nuclear power plants on contract as a money making scheme, most recently in the UK. They can afford the construction costs in exchange for a guaranteed purchase price on the power.
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