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On February 10 2016 15:17 GreenHorizons wrote: Here's what should scare Democratic voters supporting Hillary thinking she's the better candidate in the general.
Hillary may end up with less votes than Donald Trump in NH
92% reporting puts Hillary at 88k votes, Trump at 92k.
Doubt it'll make a difference because no one really talks about it that way. I certainly didn't think of it.
On February 10 2016 11:41 ErectedZenith wrote: In the end, it will be Bernie Sanders vs The Don for the presidential seat.
The primary vision in Hillary's campaign is that she is a woman, you can fool girls who can't think for themselves but smart people will say "So what?".
Bernie Sanders' vision is to turn USA into a communism country. Donny's vision is to push capitalism to its apex.
Now it just depends on what Americans wants of their nation.
Next comes the proletariat revolution, I guess? I really don't think what he is advocating is communist, as such. I also rarely hear what Donny's vision actually beyond it will be fantastic and I'll hire guys, you'll never heard of before. They'll be great, way better than the current guys.
Dude, Donny literally wrote a book on his plans as president....
I can't say the same for Mr Burn.
Trump changes positions more often than Clinton. Dude has no clue how to keep anything consistent and you can't trust anything he says.
Have you listened to his interview with Oprah 15 years ago?
His POV literally is the same.
Quit it.
Abortion. The guy totally flipped within the last two years.
You can't run a Republican presidential campaign without saying you're "pro-life" when asked; suffice it to say that's not a big issue for his campaign, and it has little risk of translating into policy with Roe v. Wade.
Disagree entirely. Abortion is a huge issue in this campaign. 5? Supreme Court justices are over 70. Every Republican led state in the union has enacted some kind of abortion restriction. The Republican congress has passed anti-abortion bills. How often did Rubio say he was Pro-Life? How much of a big deal was it to Kasich when he was Governor? Abortion is on the ballot in 2016.
On February 10 2016 11:41 ErectedZenith wrote: In the end, it will be Bernie Sanders vs The Don for the presidential seat.
The primary vision in Hillary's campaign is that she is a woman, you can fool girls who can't think for themselves but smart people will say "So what?".
Bernie Sanders' vision is to turn USA into a communism country. Donny's vision is to push capitalism to its apex.
Now it just depends on what Americans wants of their nation.
Next comes the proletariat revolution, I guess? I really don't think what he is advocating is communist, as such. I also rarely hear what Donny's vision actually beyond it will be fantastic and I'll hire guys, you'll never heard of before. They'll be great, way better than the current guys.
Dude, Donny literally wrote a book on his plans as president....
I can't say the same for Mr Burn.
Trump changes positions more often than Clinton. Dude has no clue how to keep anything consistent and you can't trust anything he says.
Have you listened to his interview with Oprah 15 years ago?
His POV literally is the same.
Quit it.
Abortion. The guy totally flipped within the last two years.
You can't run a Republican presidential campaign without saying you're "pro-life" when asked; suffice it to say that's not a big issue for his campaign, and it has little risk of translating into policy with Roe v. Wade.
Disagree entirely. Abortion is a huge issue in this campaign. 5? Supreme Court justices are over 70. Every Republican led state in the union has enacted some kind of abortion restriction. The Republican congress has passed anti-abortion bills. How often did Rubio say he was Pro-Life? How much of a big deal was it to Kasich when he was Governor? Abortion is on the ballot in 2016.
Abortion is barely an issue in the world anymore. If you look overseas, its basically a debate between 6 and 10 weeks being the cutoff. If you look at science, that will be 1 day soon enough.
On February 10 2016 11:41 ErectedZenith wrote: In the end, it will be Bernie Sanders vs The Don for the presidential seat.
The primary vision in Hillary's campaign is that she is a woman, you can fool girls who can't think for themselves but smart people will say "So what?".
Bernie Sanders' vision is to turn USA into a communism country. Donny's vision is to push capitalism to its apex.
Now it just depends on what Americans wants of their nation.
Next comes the proletariat revolution, I guess? I really don't think what he is advocating is communist, as such. I also rarely hear what Donny's vision actually beyond it will be fantastic and I'll hire guys, you'll never heard of before. They'll be great, way better than the current guys.
Dude, Donny literally wrote a book on his plans as president....
I can't say the same for Mr Burn.
Trump changes positions more often than Clinton. Dude has no clue how to keep anything consistent and you can't trust anything he says.
Have you listened to his interview with Oprah 15 years ago?
His POV literally is the same.
Quit it.
Abortion. The guy totally flipped within the last two years.
You can't run a Republican presidential campaign without saying you're "pro-life" when asked; suffice it to say that's not a big issue for his campaign, and it has little risk of translating into policy with Roe v. Wade.
Disagree entirely. Abortion is a huge issue in this campaign. 5? Supreme Court justices are over 70. Every Republican led state in the union has enacted some kind of abortion restriction. The Republican congress has passed anti-abortion bills. How often did Rubio say he was Pro-Life? How much of a big deal was it to Kasich when he was Governor? Abortion is on the ballot in 2016.
Abortion is barely an issue in the world anymore. If you look overseas, its basically a debate between 6 and 10 weeks being the cutoff. If you look at science, that will be 1 day soon enough.
Basically this. Plus, even if a republican president is elected, and he stacks the Supreme Court with "conservative justices," I highly doubt that they'd overturn Roe v. Wade and eliminate abortions entirely.
When Trump came in second in Iowa, CNN was gloating the entire morning and afternoon. I turn it on this morning and they weren't even talking about the primaries lol.
On February 10 2016 11:41 ErectedZenith wrote: In the end, it will be Bernie Sanders vs The Don for the presidential seat.
The primary vision in Hillary's campaign is that she is a woman, you can fool girls who can't think for themselves but smart people will say "So what?".
Bernie Sanders' vision is to turn USA into a communism country. Donny's vision is to push capitalism to its apex.
Now it just depends on what Americans wants of their nation.
Next comes the proletariat revolution, I guess? I really don't think what he is advocating is communist, as such. I also rarely hear what Donny's vision actually beyond it will be fantastic and I'll hire guys, you'll never heard of before. They'll be great, way better than the current guys.
Dude, Donny literally wrote a book on his plans as president....
I can't say the same for Mr Burn.
Trump changes positions more often than Clinton. Dude has no clue how to keep anything consistent and you can't trust anything he says.
Have you listened to his interview with Oprah 15 years ago?
His POV literally is the same.
Quit it.
Abortion. The guy totally flipped within the last two years.
You can't run a Republican presidential campaign without saying you're "pro-life" when asked; suffice it to say that's not a big issue for his campaign, and it has little risk of translating into policy with Roe v. Wade.
Disagree entirely. Abortion is a huge issue in this campaign. 5? Supreme Court justices are over 70. Every Republican led state in the union has enacted some kind of abortion restriction. The Republican congress has passed anti-abortion bills. How often did Rubio say he was Pro-Life? How much of a big deal was it to Kasich when he was Governor? Abortion is on the ballot in 2016.
Abortion is barely an issue in the world anymore. If you look overseas, its basically a debate between 6 and 10 weeks being the cutoff. If you look at science, that will be 1 day soon enough.
Basically this. Plus, even if a republican president is elected, and he stacks the Supreme Court with "conservative justices," I highly doubt that they'd overturn Roe v. Wade and eliminate abortions entirely.
14 of 15 of the Republican presidential candidates have statements purporting to do exactly this. I haven't found them all, but just give these guys time. This is what they are running on. Bush2 ran on this. Alito certainly will vote to overturn. Maybe Roberts won't, but the next two justices won't be chiefs. You can try to play this down, but realize the Republicans you vote for absolutely do not play this down at all. Keep your eyes open.
On February 10 2016 17:14 zeo wrote: How does this even make sense?
You know how Bernie always says the game is rigged?
There have been 67 delegates projected to be alotted according to the voters.
Bernie has won ~44 of those 67 or ~65%
But we have super delegates which are a fail-safe to prevent the will of the people if they see fit.
Hillary has gotten over 400 of them to pledge toward her (though they are not obligated to uphold that pledge).
I am getting more and more confused regarding this system. Why are there 400 unelected delegates? American politics are really really weird.
During the 80's Democrat voters nominated people that were too left wing/hippie and got absolutely dominated in those elections. So their establishment came up with the super-delegate system to make sure they can have an electable candidate instead of a hippie/communist. I still think that this can backfire bigtime if Sanders wins every state but Hillary gets the nomination, people are going to be angry.
At least thats the way I see it, there is nothing democratic about these primaries.
On February 10 2016 18:34 Simberto wrote: I am getting more and more confused regarding this system. Why are there 400 unelected delegates? American politics are really really weird.
In fairness, most democracies are effectively JUST those 400. The "party grandees decide" technique is very widespread. The US thing is relatively unusual in allowing the masses this level of participation, although lately it has been gradually catching on elsewhere.
It's a weird system though, no disagreement. The Constitutional framers would be horrified by how irrational the whole thing is.
A much better system would be some kind of instant runoff voting system that happens everywhere at the same time.
On February 10 2016 11:58 ticklishmusic wrote: I hate to disrupt the circlejerk, but you so realize that Hillary is leading Nevada and South Carolina by 20 point margins... you can jigger that with turnout (which has been underestimated) and other things, but I'll take a month ban if Bernie wins both of them.
Bernie needs to show that he can win some other states before I'd put money on him winning the nomination. And he is hilariously unelectable at a national level.
One of our rare moments of agreement outside sports.
It's okay, we can be friends until the end of election season. Then we can go back to half-jokingly hostile.
To everyone else: So how about a banbet? 1 month NV + SC if Hillary/Sanders win both (you know what I mean), if there's a split we'll sigbet-- I tell you something to add to yours, you add to mine for a month.
Hmmmmm sure I'll take that.
Worst case, a 1 month break from posting. I could probably do with that anyway ^.^
someone willing to put something on the line (btw, how much money did you lose on the Iowa bet GH?)
farva is excepted ofc, congrats on his engagement/relationship/life sentence
I'll predict Sanders takes NV and Clinton keeps SC.
i predict hillary to take both, which is why i'm willing to risk a monthlong bet on that
On February 10 2016 11:58 ticklishmusic wrote: I hate to disrupt the circlejerk, but you so realize that Hillary is leading Nevada and South Carolina by 20 point margins... you can jigger that with turnout (which has been underestimated) and other things, but I'll take a month ban if Bernie wins both of them.
Bernie needs to show that he can win some other states before I'd put money on him winning the nomination. And he is hilariously unelectable at a national level.
One of our rare moments of agreement outside sports.
It's okay, we can be friends until the end of election season. Then we can go back to half-jokingly hostile.
To everyone else: So how about a banbet? 1 month NV + SC if Hillary/Sanders win both (you know what I mean), if there's a split we'll sigbet-- I tell you something to add to yours, you add to mine for a month.
Hmmmmm sure I'll take that.
Worst case, a 1 month break from posting. I could probably do with that anyway ^.^
someone willing to put something on the line (btw, how much money did you lose on the Iowa bet GH?)
farva is excepted ofc, congrats on his engagement/relationship/life sentence
Ha, I'm still happy to bet on the nomination if this blowout has given you knew hope? Nothing on Iowa, wouldn't want to remind people of that shadiness either if I was a Hillary supporter...
Bernie's margin of victory is bigger than Kasich's vote total haha.
its not giving me hope, i'm just going based on what i see. the only adjustment i've made is that polls underestimate bernie's turnout.
i'm trying to avoid arguing about that kind of stuff, but look, let's put it this way. both sides have supporters who are, to put it gently, overzealous. hillary has them and bernie has them. they both do and say things that arent proper. i wont cite any specific examples.
Bernie was in a similar position on Iowa one month beforehand. If things continue the way they are now, with more national exposure, and with Clinton campaign handling things questionably, I think there's a possibility (yes, very small) he could win both.
It's a weird political climate. Who knows! \o/
If Bernie wins expect the RNC to plaster his praise of Cuba and the USSR everywhere. The only way Bernie wins is if Trump wins and more than half the country stays home because they abhor both. Or, I could be wrong, and there is a silent socialist majority and in that case, we're all fucked. :p
On February 10 2016 18:34 Simberto wrote: I am getting more and more confused regarding this system. Why are there 400 unelected delegates? American politics are really really weird.
In fairness, most democracies are effectively JUST those 400. The "party grandees decide" technique is very widespread. The US thing is relatively unusual in allowing the masses this level of participation, although lately it has been gradually catching on elsewhere.
It's a weird system though, no disagreement. The Constitutional framers would be horrified by how irrational the whole thing is.
A much better system would be some kind of instant runoff voting system that happens everywhere at the same time.
It's really hard to compare the US system to most of the EU ones, because only a very few countries have this impenetrable barrier of just two parties. So if the "establishment" of a dominant party chooses candidates without public support, the party just fades and another party gets the votes. In the US as far as I understand, a success of a "3rd party" candidate would has rainbow-vomitting unicorn probability, so the matters internal to those parties matter much more.
Either you're being sarcastic or you have no idea what socialism entails.
As someone who lives in a capitalist hellhole that sacrificed infrastructure, education and decent medical system to give tax breaks to Google and Apple, I get to see the American system at work, and I'm not impressed.
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