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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17975 Posts
February 05 2016 02:55 GMT
#56921
clinton bought every minute in the advertising blocks, didnt she?
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-05 03:00:40
February 05 2016 03:00 GMT
#56922
Weak initial reply from Sanders on current efforts to fight ISIS. He had to mention his opposition to the Iraq War at one point, but this felt shoehorned.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17975 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-05 03:02:28
February 05 2016 03:01 GMT
#56923
he also entirely avoided the question about Afghanistan...

edit: he gotforced to answer it and that was really really bad
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 05 2016 03:02 GMT
#56924
Sanders is improving on foreign policy, but he needs to move away from "I didn't vote from Iraq".
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 05 2016 03:04 GMT
#56925
On February 05 2016 12:01 Acrofales wrote:
he also entirely avoided the question about Afghanistan...

edit: he gotforced to answer it and that was really really bad


It was an awful question. Hillary answered it correctly ("I'd have to evaluate the circumstances at the time"), Bernie is still definitely more uncomfortable with foreign policy.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-05 03:07:43
February 05 2016 03:05 GMT
#56926
I hate how these debate questions are framed as "what would you do in this incredibly complex situation".

Only the Great Decider, Dubya himself, could YOLO and say yes/no/x in these situations.

EDIT: Sanders, please move off the Iraq thing (side note: Kerry voted for Iraq). Hillary has more hawkish foreign policy. She voted for it. A lot of people did. Move on, end of story. I don't like Hillary's answer about hurrdurr experience either TBH.
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Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
February 05 2016 03:06 GMT
#56927
Sanders is getting torn apart pretty hard on foreign policy though, it really seems like he has no program
Hexe
Profile Joined August 2014
United States332 Posts
February 05 2016 03:07 GMT
#56928
wow i didnt know hillary clinton was the one who took down bin laden and got the iran nuclear deal done
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17975 Posts
February 05 2016 03:07 GMT
#56929
On February 05 2016 12:05 ticklishmusic wrote:
I hate how these debate questions are framed as "what would you do in this incredibly complex situation".

Only the Great Decider, Dubya himself, could YOLO and say yes/no/x in these situations.

i agree on the way this question was phrased, but there is still a bad way to answer it and bernie managed to find it.

hillary is really nailing bernie on this foreign policy issue.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 05 2016 03:08 GMT
#56930
On February 05 2016 12:07 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2016 12:05 ticklishmusic wrote:
I hate how these debate questions are framed as "what would you do in this incredibly complex situation".

Only the Great Decider, Dubya himself, could YOLO and say yes/no/x in these situations.

i agree on the way this question was phrased, but there is still a bad way to answer it and bernie managed to find it.

hillary is really nailing bernie on this foreign policy issue.


I gotta say, I love his finger wag though.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 05 2016 03:08 GMT
#56931
On February 05 2016 12:07 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2016 12:05 ticklishmusic wrote:
I hate how these debate questions are framed as "what would you do in this incredibly complex situation".

Only the Great Decider, Dubya himself, could YOLO and say yes/no/x in these situations.

i agree on the way this question was phrased, but there is still a bad way to answer it and bernie managed to find it.

hillary is really nailing bernie on this foreign policy issue.


I think they're dumb questions because the correct answer is basically no answer or it's complicated and I'd need to see all the facts.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23188 Posts
February 05 2016 03:09 GMT
#56932
The problem with Hillary is even where she has an advantage (foreign policy) she still can't help but exaggerate and mislead on Sanders positions.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 05 2016 03:10 GMT
#56933
I like how both sides are admitting their shortcomings to some degree.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
February 05 2016 03:12 GMT
#56934
When is Bernie going to take the kid gloves off? He's repeatedly getting bitched by Clinton on this foreign policy stuff. There are soooooooooo many things that he could call Hillary out on, but just won't.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4742 Posts
February 05 2016 03:12 GMT
#56935
Have they brought up Libya?
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-05 03:20:00
February 05 2016 03:13 GMT
#56936
Sanders' answer on Russia/Iran/North Korea was also poor. He didn't seem to have anything to say about Russia, and he was almost improvising on NK/being extremely generic.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
February 05 2016 03:15 GMT
#56937
It feels like he didn't prepare on foreign policy and is trying to find answers on the fly, very weird.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 05 2016 03:16 GMT
#56938
It feels like these guys are campaigning so hard they aren't really prepping for these debates, that last answer from Sanders on major threats was meh, he needs to work on his fopo.

Wonder who in each campaign is playing the opponents, IIRC Kerry played Romney for Obama

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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17975 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-05 03:17:23
February 05 2016 03:16 GMT
#56939
there's a big difference between a crazy dictator who can be a big threat for a very short time when (if) he goes nuts, and the long term agression that russia is showing. and i agree with clinton here. the latter is a significantly larger problem.
Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
February 05 2016 03:24 GMT
#56940
North Korea needs a lot of work on nuclear delivery to really threaten the United States (or even Japan), Russia could send much of the US back to the stone age right now.
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