US Politics Mega-thread - Page 2845

On February 05 2016 06:14 farvacola wrote:

I'll tell you one thing: hispanics are just as likely to not vote for another hispanic as they are likely to vote for another hispanic, particularly when Cubans are involved. Take this from the son of a naturalized citizen from Mexico.

On February 05 2016 06:34 GreenHorizons wrote:
I'm just thankful that this group wasn't the group that had to get voting rights for black folks or women. "Listen, rich white men run the world , always have, always will. Fighting it is pointless"

It's so early to give up on radical change. Just so much defeatism it's sad.

Also Hillary charging a public college, she represented as a senator, $275k for a 30 min speech (even if it funneled into her foundation) is just not what we're looking for in a President.

And no, I wouldn't do that, and Bernie wouldn't either. Hillary should just run as the moderate centrist she is.

On February 05 2016 07:35 ticklishmusic wrote:


There are big differences between civil rights and revamping our healthcare system, so that's a very lazy comparison.

Hillary was paid 275K to speak at a school, she's clearly in the pocket of public education . Also, you do realize people get paid to do things, like if Beyonce gave a concert at a public university you bet she'd be making 6 figs.

On February 05 2016 07:56 Mohdoo wrote:
Running as a moderate, great way to lose a primary.

NEW YORK -- Hillary Clinton has postponed another fundraiser with financial services executives amid heavy criticism from rival Bernie Sanders that she is too close to Wall Street.

Clinton will no longer attend an event in Boston scheduled for Friday that was to be hosted by Jonathan Lavine, managing director of Bain Capital affiliate Sankaty Advisors, sources close to the matter said.

The event has not been canceled but will now be held sometime after the New Hampshire primary, which takes place Feb. 9. It is the second such postponement in the last two weeks. The Clinton campaign last week said a New York City event that was set for Thursday with executives from investment management firm BlackRock would now be held Feb. 16th.

The postponements come after Vermont senator Sanders ripped Clinton last week for leaving Iowa to attend a fundraiser in Philadelphia with financial services executives that featured a live performance with Bon Jovi.

On February 05 2016 08:07 GreenHorizons wrote:


Well to be fair she already is mostly running as a moderate (far more so before Bernie gained traction), it's more her supporters trying to sell her as a progressive since she's started to try to present herself as one.

She needs to make up her mind on whether she wants to collect money from these folks or not, trying to bury her fundraising into politically advantageous times just continues to fit the narrative.



Source

Truth is she's dependent on these types of fundraisers in order to keep up with Bernie's fundraising (she raised ~$6,000,000 less than Bernie in January)

On February 05 2016 08:59 Mohdoo wrote:


All Clinton needs to do is ride the socialist train as subtly as possible until the dirty south comes into play. She's playing a long game and isn't letting NH ruin the mood. Rubio is getting creamed early on, yet he is a clear frontrunner. It's just a sad reality of how diverse our country is.

"There has never been a more tainted victory in the Iowa caucuses,” a spokesman for Ben Carson’s campaign said on Tuesday. He was referring to what he called Ted Cruz’s “abject lies” and, particularly, to what appears to have been a concerted effort on the part of the Cruz campaign to persuade voters at caucuses that Carson had dropped out. Carson himself told Fox News that his wife had had to personally refute that rumor at one caucus site—and once she had, he said, he won there. “Isn’t this the exact kind of thing that the American people are tired of? Why would we want to continue that kind of, you know, shenanigans?” Donald Trump put the charge in his own terms in a tweet: “Ted Cruz didn’t win Iowa, he stole it. That is why all of the polls were so wrong and why he got far more votes than anticipated. Bad!”

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Many politicians are shameless; what seems to set Cruz apart is his unhidden pride in the craft of the political slur, the artistry of nastiness. Even his opponents were impressed by his get-out-the-vote operation, but Cruz couldn’t stop himself from offering an additional factor: his persistent attacks on “New York values” had resonated, he told ABC News. “Everyone knows what New York values are,” he said. We do, in this town. Does anyone know what Ted Cruz’s values are?

On February 05 2016 07:51 GreenHorizons wrote:


First the political revolution isn't about just "revamping our healthcare system", which strikes me as obvious.

It's not about just "getting paid", and I hold my potential president to a higher standard than Beyonce.

She should just run as the moderate she is so that explanations like you just gave don't come off so silly.

On February 05 2016 09:36 Souma wrote:
ticklish you're as blind about Hillary as GH is about Bernie. If I wasn't sick as a donkey I'd elaborate but reading both of your ridiculously biased comments annoys me to no end as a liberal.

On February 05 2016 09:18 Acrofales wrote:
Black people un Nevada?

On February 05 2016 09:23 ticklishmusic wrote:


I'm going to sound snooty and smug, but what separates me and you is I understand the difference between changing our healthcare system and civil rights. Without saying civil rights was easy or finishing the importance in any way, healthcare and a lot of what Bernie is proposing to tackle is far more challenging from a legislative and functional (I'll call it that) standpoint.

Then what is it about? What's wrong with getting paid. What differentiates a payment from the NY school system from one from some finance execs? I agree wholeheartedly that there is something wrong with our finance system as well as our campaign finance system, but when you throw around GS and investment firm like they're the chupacabra, it's not going to accomplish anything. Do you have any idea what Bain Capital or Blackrock even do?

I think the arguments over labels is patently ridiculous. Hillary made a great points yesterday about letting ideas stand for themselves.

On February 05 2016 09:39 Mohdoo wrote:


So you thought you'd just take a moment to post saying that someone's posts are bad? How is that constructive?

On February 05 2016 09:33 DickMcFanny wrote:
Does anyone have a link to this week's debate between Bernie and HRC? The one Rachel Maddow and that guy from Meet the Press moderated?

On February 05 2016 06:18 cLutZ wrote:
If your are talking about the gay-marriage + weed libertarians, perhaps some of them would shift to Sanders, we already have seen the gay-marriage schism form between those that were on the side of Marriage equality, but jumped off the train when the advocacy movement when it started to push for vendors to be compelled to serve weddings on threat of civil and criminal liabilities. Just as feminism has lost a bunch of libertarian-minded supporters as it went from a movement that went from tearing down barriers to erecting strange new ones.

Its a schism that happens whenever libertarians-of-convenience (who like the rhetorical stance of freedom) realize mere freedom no longer serves their ends. If I were to shoehorn this into "no true Scotsman" they would be the French or some other nation fighting with the Scots with the purpose of weakening the English, but then after the war is over they try to take over and tax all of Scotland's ports.

On February 05 2016 09:43 Souma wrote:

Was I supposed to be constructive?