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SoSexy
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RvB
Netherlands6261 Posts
On January 18 2016 13:35 Wegandi wrote: The only GOP candidate that could wallop Clinton is Rand. When it comes to independents and disenfranchised/more liberal Democrats he crushes. On issues of Drug War, Foreign Policy, National Security State/4th Amendment, sentencing reform/mandatory minimums, corporate welfare, etc. The question would be, would Rand win enough independents/dems/minority votes to cover the losses of Neo-Con votes that would slide over to Clinton in a general. Certainly be far more enriching than any of the other GOP candidates for sure. Maybe voters could finally get a real choice if it's Bernie vs Rand. Do you want socialism and an overpowering Government, or liberty, property rights/markets. I've been waiting for someone like him to vote for in The Netherlands for ages now. Instead I'm stuck with conservatives and social liberals =/. | ||
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ticklishmusic
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Doublemint
Austria8689 Posts
"again a sign of Obama's weakness, If I were president, Iran would have never even gotten a hold of our brave men and women. they would know better, we don't negotiate with terrorists, we bomb them into submission. and stand by our allies in the region!" - Presidential Candidate Ted Rubio Trump. | ||
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Plansix
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Chewbacca.
United States3634 Posts
Will likely be voting for Rand in Republican primary, and then I'm not sure who in the general election. | ||
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kwizach
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On January 18 2016 13:35 Wegandi wrote: The only GOP candidate that could wallop Clinton is Rand. When it comes to independents and disenfranchised/more liberal Democrats he crushes. On issues of Drug War, Foreign Policy, National Security State/4th Amendment, sentencing reform/mandatory minimums, corporate welfare, etc. The question would be, would Rand win enough independents/dems/minority votes to cover the losses of Neo-Con votes that would slide over to Clinton in a general. Just... wow. Rand would get absolutely crushed by Clinton. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. -Martin Luther King The irony, oh man. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 19 2016 02:11 ticklishmusic wrote: This is a very random point, but remember the Asian girl who got booed at the BLM rally because she said people should be judged not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character? The irony, oh man. The only thing I am seeing is the exact same tactic that was used to discredit MLK back then. Discrediting is protesters, claiming they were violent and generally throwing shade. Have no doubt that if the internet and smartphones existed back then, the shade that would be thrown would have been endless. The amusing part is that people point to MLK as the example of the "good civil rights leader that was polite and not aggressive" when he was nothing of the sort. Some folks even claim he would “denounce” BLM, which pure comic gold. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On January 19 2016 01:17 Plansix wrote: Kerry is really doing an amazing job with these prisoner releases and other work with Iran. Its so much easier to make these deals when congress members are not threatening to bomb that country to please their base. They are prisoner swaps, things that Isreal-Palestine and countries in open war routinely negotiate. Such an option was always possible if you switch mindset from "these are terrorists" to " this is a country we are engaged in war with. " | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On January 19 2016 02:20 Plansix wrote: The only thing I am seeing is the exact same tactic that was used to discredit MLK back then. Discrediting is protesters, claiming they were violent and generally throwing shade. Have no doubt that if the internet and smartphones existed back then, the shade that would be thrown would have been endless. The amusing part is that people point to MLK as the example of the "good civil rights leader that was polite and not aggressive" when he was nothing of the sort. Some folks even claim he would “denounce” BLM, which pure comic gold. I'm not trying to throw shade, though my opinion is that a good portion of BLM (especially the on-campus stuff) is kinda lousy. It's also hilarious that they clearly don't know or recognize what is quite possibly the most famous line from MLK's speech. Oh, I know he wasn't all rainbows and butterflies and kumbaya, but at least he knew how to make things happen. If someone could go up to heaven/the afterlife and tell him about BLM, he'd probably facepalm at how ineffective it and other self-appointed civil rights organizations are. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 19 2016 02:47 ticklishmusic wrote: I'm not trying to throw shade, though my opinion is that a good portion of BLM (especially the on-campus stuff) is kinda lousy. It's also hilarious that they clearly don't know or recognize what is quite possibly the most famous line from MLK's speech. Oh, I know he wasn't all rainbows and butterflies and kumbaya, but at least he knew how to make things happen. If someone could go up to heaven/the afterlife and tell him about BLM, he'd probably facepalm at how ineffective it and other self-appointed civil rights organizations are. When you claim that he “knew how to get shit done,” you miss the part where white leaders told the black community to not follow MLK and seek a more “peaceful” way to resolve civil rights issues. That he was accused being “to angry” and attempting to insight mass violence. And any violent act that took place around a protest he was part of was blamed on the entire group and him. He “got shit done” by ignoring all of those claims and just going forward. So every time someone points youtube “take down of BLM” the lesson from MLK is to just ignore it. Because it doesn't matter that a small group of students on a campus said a mean thing while being filmed. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7951 Posts
On January 18 2016 13:35 Wegandi wrote: The only GOP candidate that could wallop Clinton is Rand. When it comes to independents and disenfranchised/more liberal Democrats he crushes. On issues of Drug War, Foreign Policy, National Security State/4th Amendment, sentencing reform/mandatory minimums, corporate welfare, etc. The question would be, would Rand win enough independents/dems/minority votes to cover the losses of Neo-Con votes that would slide over to Clinton in a general. Certainly be far more enriching than any of the other GOP candidates for sure. Maybe voters could finally get a real choice if it's Bernie vs Rand. Do you want socialism and an overpowering Government, or liberty, property rights/markets. I rofled. Rand gets his politics from Atlas Shrugged and basically not a thing he says makes any sense or has any connection with the real world. I don't have an opinion about Sanders, but it looks like he is promoting a European like system. Now, I live in Norway and have lived in Sweden, which both have the two most "overpowering" states in the world, and I can tell you that compared to the States (or England, which is what comes closest to the States in Europe and where I also lived 6 years), those countries are an absolute paradise (and yes, I pay gladly 37% taxes. I don't mourn that money, since everything it pays for is basically amazing, from healthcare to education, to culture, etc etc etc). I would politely rephrase your sentence: do you want a social democracy as exists in Europe, or do you want a country where you can absolutely fuck yourself if you are poor (even more than now, as crazy at it sounds) and where corporations are totally unregulated (oh wow, that seems like suuuuch a good idea). | ||
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Plansix
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JW_DTLA
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They were complaining about black on black crime and saying that if MLK just followed the order the status quo directed him to he would get everything he wanted. They were wrong then, wrong now. http://www.thekingcenter.org/archive/document/hate-mail-regarding-race-relations-mlk | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-35342658 who in God's name thought that this was a good idea | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
That book is super dumb and totally misrepresents history, so I'm glad they pulled it for being shitty and bad. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On January 19 2016 03:53 JW_DTLA wrote: Protest movements (MLK, BLM, Occupy) have always been subject to scorn for going beyond social norms in their speech. But that is the point. Protest movements are supposed to go beyond what is comfortable for people who like the status quo. Remember that protest movements are trying to move the status quo, thus will always be going beyond what respectable people would want them to do. They were complaining about black on black crime and saying that if MLK just followed the order the status quo directed him to he would get everything he wanted. They were wrong then, wrong now. http://www.thekingcenter.org/archive/document/hate-mail-regarding-race-relations-mlk My experience with on-campus BLM protestors has been them blocking access to hospitals, shouting at people getting chemotherapy and screaming for half the faculty/admin to be fired and to be replaced with black people. There's a difference between effective protesting while going beyond social norms and being angry, unreasonable assholes. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Back then people thought MLK and his protesters were unreasonable assholes too. | ||
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