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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 30 2015 17:59 GMT
#47201
i should elaborate that the reason why it is harder or at least more complicated matter is that some of these great gold piles are concentrated in the form of private businesses and the like that cant easily or unwillingly to be transformed into index funds. these businesses can fail.

then you probably have multiple progenies sharing the inheritance and once in a while someone spends it all.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-30 18:09:14
September 30 2015 18:02 GMT
#47202
On October 01 2015 02:55 Sermokala wrote:
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On October 01 2015 02:42 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On October 01 2015 01:54 Sermokala wrote:
Jeb has an Hispanic wife, speaks spanish, and isnt for kicking brown people out. Not to mention his brother was able to leverage the Hispanic vote pretty well and that led to his presidency.

Hillary is being eaten alive by the email scandal and is being forced to tack left to fend off Bernie if she can even do that. Bernie for all of his pros can't seem to stop saying the word socialism which is terrible for Midwestern Reagan democrats.

Jeb doesn't need a plurality of Hispanic votes but if he can get the 30s to 40s on them he has a lot of battleground control Romney and McCain didnt.


Hillary isn't getting eaten alive by the email scandal, "socialist" isn't hurting Sanders in the way the right wants it to, and there is absolutely zero indication that any of the Republican candidates can do well with the black or Hispanic votes. If Jeb somehow gets out of his rut and turns a lot of things around then anything is possible, but based on all current polling information, you're grasping at straws.

I have no idea what you think the term socialist means in common parlance but in America it's not a good thing.


Imo, the more Bernie states that he is unashamed to be a democratic socialist, the less powerful the word "socialist" becomes as a derogatory statement. This is also contributed to by the fact that the right has been screaming about Obama being a socialist for the last 8 years.

I'm not in a position to look for a source right now, but I'm fairly certain I've seen polls indicating that while Americans in general are scared by the term "socialist", the ideas Bernie presents are ones that many Americans agree with. As this exposure penetrates more of the American public, I feel that the negative stigma on "socialism" will decrease even more.
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Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
September 30 2015 18:17 GMT
#47203
On October 01 2015 02:55 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2015 02:42 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On October 01 2015 01:54 Sermokala wrote:
Jeb has an Hispanic wife, speaks spanish, and isnt for kicking brown people out. Not to mention his brother was able to leverage the Hispanic vote pretty well and that led to his presidency.

Hillary is being eaten alive by the email scandal and is being forced to tack left to fend off Bernie if she can even do that. Bernie for all of his pros can't seem to stop saying the word socialism which is terrible for Midwestern Reagan democrats.

Jeb doesn't need a plurality of Hispanic votes but if he can get the 30s to 40s on them he has a lot of battleground control Romney and McCain didnt.


Hillary isn't getting eaten alive by the email scandal, "socialist" isn't hurting Sanders in the way the right wants it to, and there is absolutely zero indication that any of the Republican candidates can do well with the black or Hispanic votes. If Jeb somehow gets out of his rut and turns a lot of things around then anything is possible, but based on all current polling information, you're grasping at straws.

Hillary is stuck in a loop news cycle that she keeps feeding that's tanking her poll numbers and opens the door to sanders. I have no idea what you think the term socialist means in common parlance but in America it's not a good thing. Jeb hasn't made any large moves and he's just hovering around the top of the polls. If anything being a frontrunner is bad until primary season rolls around and things start mattering. I don't know what poll numbers your looking at but if you are going to argue by them at least provide something that supports it.

The last bush was able to get the Hispanic vote to some degree that's proof enough that he can get more then that when he has many advantages for it above his possible opponents. The black vote hasn't been considered in play by anyone so I don't get why people keep talking about it.


Again, Hillary's poll numbers aren't "tanking". You're buying into the media narrative. The email scandal is very superficial and will only really matter if something serious actually comes up. All that's ever covered is the same, irrelevant crap.

Also, we are not in the Cold War anymore. A large amount of Americans do not see "socialist" as a bad thing like the elderly do; more and more Americans equate "socialism" with "Nordic countries", where QoL is quite a bit better than in the U.S.

It's also been 11 years since GWB got elected. Since then, Jeb now has to deal with the baggage of an increasingly conservative Republican party that has made a lot of horrible statements and moves against the Hispanic population as well as the legacy of his brother's horrible tenure as president. Speaking Spanish and being married to a Hispanic woman doesn't make up for that kind of stuff on its own.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
September 30 2015 18:30 GMT
#47204
Clinton alienated another million voters.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/29/teamsters-withhold-hillary-clinton-endorsement-want-meet-donald-trump/

Teamsters Withhold Endorsement for Hillary Want to Meet With Donald Trump

The Teamsters union is withholding an endorsement for Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, further eroding Clinton’s support from Big Labor.

The Teamsters union’s general executive board voted unanimously Tuesday, 26-0, to hold off on endorsing Clinton at its meeting in Charleston, South Carolina. Fox News reports that the vote was meant as “an intentional snub” of Clinton for backing away from her previous support for the job-creating Keystone pipeline.

The union is holding off until union-friendly Vice President Joe Biden makes a decision about whether or not to run for president.

The union also seeks a “sit down” meeting with Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, whose recent tax reform proposal drastically lowers the corporate and individual tax rates for the middle class in an effort to spur job growth, savings, and investment.

Clinton’s relationship with Big Labor has been rocky.

Last month, the National Nurses Union endorsed Democratic challenger Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT)
16%
over Clinton.

AFL-CIO head Richard Trumpka threatened to sit out the 2016 election until Clinton backed away from her support of President Obama’s Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade deal, which unions strongly opposed.
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 30 2015 18:33 GMT
#47205
No. They are holding off until Joe Biden makes a decision. And Breitbart is still garbage.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-30 18:38:43
September 30 2015 18:35 GMT
#47206
Kevin McCarthy basically confirms that the Benghazi committee was a political move:

Sean Hannity was pushing hard, asking House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy to name some promises his Republicans had actually delivered on. He scoffed when McCarthy said the party would start undoing the Affordable Care Act -- "you have the power of the purse!" He talked over McCarthy when the leader and candidate for Speaker of the House suggested that the party did not need to cut funds for President Obama's "amnesty," because courts had taken care of it. Only halfway into the interview did McCarthy finally catch a break.

"Everybody though Hillary Clinton was unbeatable, right?" McCarthy asked. "But we put together a Benghazi special committee, a select committee. What are her numbers today? Her numbers are dropping. Why? Because she's untrustable. But no one would have known any of that had happened, had we not fought."

"I give you credit for that," said Hannity. "I'll give you credit where credit is due."


Source

Not only did the Repubicans invent the hatchet job, they took it a step further and created the tax-payer funded hatchet job.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21961 Posts
September 30 2015 18:37 GMT
#47207
I die a little inside every time someone mentions that lowering taxes creates jobs
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yes yes, if the tax rate is prohibitively high then lowering it can create jobs. the US isn't even close to that sort of tax rate.


If only billionaires could afford more yachts. Then everyone would have a job!
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
September 30 2015 18:40 GMT
#47208
On October 01 2015 03:37 Gorsameth wrote:
I die a little inside every time someone mentions that lowering taxes creates jobs
+ Show Spoiler +
yes yes, if the tax rate is prohibitively high then lowering it can create jobs. the US isn't even close to that sort of tax rate.


If only billionaires could afford more yachts. Then everyone would have a job!


hey. yacht salesmen is a job. the general problem is that none of the money goes to people who need it. jobs aren't directly created and the money is usually spent on luxury goods which are generally sold by people who have money.
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whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-30 18:49:29
September 30 2015 18:48 GMT
#47209
The White House commented on Kim Davis's meeting with the Pope

Not making any friends with the Catholics
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
September 30 2015 18:59 GMT
#47210
On October 01 2015 03:48 whatisthisasheep wrote:
The White House commented on Kim Davis's meeting with the Pope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj4LQsanZPM
Not making any friends with the Catholics


All the catholics I know think she's a despicable piece of shit so I don't know how this changes anything.

His response is basically "Cool story, the pope can say whatever he wants. Good for him, but we've got laws" and this is inflammatory in your mind how?
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whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-30 19:12:56
September 30 2015 19:11 GMT
#47211
On October 01 2015 03:59 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2015 03:48 whatisthisasheep wrote:
The White House commented on Kim Davis's meeting with the Pope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj4LQsanZPM
Not making any friends with the Catholics


All the catholics I know think she's a despicable piece of shit so I don't know how this changes anything.

His response is basically "Cool story, the pope can say whatever he wants. Good for him, but we've got laws" and this is inflammatory in your mind how?


When you dont side with god when your country was founded "under god' religious faithful are going to have a problem with the president deviating from the pope's position.
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 30 2015 19:15 GMT
#47212
this obnoxious and misguided religious freedom argument. jesus fucking christ
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
September 30 2015 19:18 GMT
#47213
On October 01 2015 04:11 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2015 03:59 OuchyDathurts wrote:
On October 01 2015 03:48 whatisthisasheep wrote:
The White House commented on Kim Davis's meeting with the Pope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj4LQsanZPM
Not making any friends with the Catholics


All the catholics I know think she's a despicable piece of shit so I don't know how this changes anything.

His response is basically "Cool story, the pope can say whatever he wants. Good for him, but we've got laws" and this is inflammatory in your mind how?


When you dont side with god when your country was founded "under god' religious faithful are going to have a problem with the president deviating from the pope's position.

Are you talking about USA here?
Capitalism is beneficial for people who work harder than other people. Under capitalism the only way to make more money is to work harder then your competitors whether they be other companies or workers. ~ Vegetarian
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 30 2015 19:18 GMT
#47214
On October 01 2015 04:15 oneofthem wrote:
this obnoxious and misguided religious freedom argument. jesus fucking christ

Its almost like its the intent of every single one of his posts. Put forth the most disingenuous argument possible and watch people try to respond.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21961 Posts
September 30 2015 19:18 GMT
#47215
On October 01 2015 04:11 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2015 03:59 OuchyDathurts wrote:
On October 01 2015 03:48 whatisthisasheep wrote:
The White House commented on Kim Davis's meeting with the Pope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj4LQsanZPM
Not making any friends with the Catholics


All the catholics I know think she's a despicable piece of shit so I don't know how this changes anything.

His response is basically "Cool story, the pope can say whatever he wants. Good for him, but we've got laws" and this is inflammatory in your mind how?


When you dont side with god when your country was founded "under god' religious faithful are going to have a problem with the president deviating from the pope's position.

Otherwise known as seperation of church and state.
And what do you want the White House to say? Its ok to ignore the law if you relate to an imaginary spaghetti monster?

The rep's response was that everyone known how the President feels and that what the Pope does is the Pope's business. That is perfectly acceptable.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45078 Posts
September 30 2015 19:19 GMT
#47216
On October 01 2015 03:48 whatisthisasheep wrote:
The White House commented on Kim Davis's meeting with the Pope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj4LQsanZPM
Not making any friends with the Catholics


Is anyone else absolutely outraged that the Pope met with that piece of shit?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43266 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-30 19:33:43
September 30 2015 19:20 GMT
#47217
On October 01 2015 04:11 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2015 03:59 OuchyDathurts wrote:
On October 01 2015 03:48 whatisthisasheep wrote:
The White House commented on Kim Davis's meeting with the Pope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj4LQsanZPM
Not making any friends with the Catholics


All the catholics I know think she's a despicable piece of shit so I don't know how this changes anything.

His response is basically "Cool story, the pope can say whatever he wants. Good for him, but we've got laws" and this is inflammatory in your mind how?


When you dont side with god when your country was founded "under god' religious faithful are going to have a problem with the president deviating from the pope's position.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance
"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

adopted by Congress as the pledge in 1942
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 30 2015 19:21 GMT
#47218
On October 01 2015 04:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2015 03:48 whatisthisasheep wrote:
The White House commented on Kim Davis's meeting with the Pope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj4LQsanZPM
Not making any friends with the Catholics


Is anyone else absolutely outraged that the Pope met with that piece of shit?

No. She isn't a great person, but the Pope meets with murders and other criminals.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 30 2015 19:22 GMT
#47219
On October 01 2015 04:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2015 03:48 whatisthisasheep wrote:
The White House commented on Kim Davis's meeting with the Pope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj4LQsanZPM
Not making any friends with the Catholics


Is anyone else absolutely outraged that the Pope met with that piece of shit?


Not outraged, but it might be number one on my list-of-things-Pope-Francis-did-that-I-don't-agree-with.
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Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
September 30 2015 19:22 GMT
#47220
On October 01 2015 04:20 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2015 04:11 whatisthisasheep wrote:
On October 01 2015 03:59 OuchyDathurts wrote:
On October 01 2015 03:48 whatisthisasheep wrote:
The White House commented on Kim Davis's meeting with the Pope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj4LQsanZPM
Not making any friends with the Catholics


All the catholics I know think she's a despicable piece of shit so I don't know how this changes anything.

His response is basically "Cool story, the pope can say whatever he wants. Good for him, but we've got laws" and this is inflammatory in your mind how?


When you dont side with god when your country was founded "under god' religious faithful are going to have a problem with the president deviating from the pope's position.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance
Show nested quote +
"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Lol, communist propaganda. This nation was founded under Reagan.
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