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tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
May 02 2015 04:07 GMT
#38321
It sucks that the shit that the wire highlighted almost 10 years ago is still happening and not being fixed.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 02 2015 19:23 GMT
#38322
Alan Zegas, David Wildstein's attorney, reiterated today that Gov. Chris Christie knew about the George Washington Bridge lane closures that led to the Bridgegate scandal.

Christie "knew of the lane closures as they occurred" and "evidence exists" that proves it, Zegas said after his client pleaded guilty, although he did not say that Christie knew about the motive for the lane closures.

Zegas did not expand upon the comments, but it's not the first time that Wildstein and Zegas contended that Christie knew about the lane closures.

Zegas first suggested Christie knew about the lane closures on Jan. 31, 2014 about three weeks after the dramatic press conference in which the governor denied responsibility and knowledge of the plan.

The attorney did not indicate Christie ordered the closures or was aware of the motive, now determined by prosecutors to be political payback against Sokolich.

"Evidence exists ... tying Mr. Christie to having knowledge of the lane closures, during
the period when the lanes were closed, contrary to what the governor stated publicly in a two-hour press conference," Zegas wrote in a carefully worded letter last year.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
May 02 2015 20:14 GMT
#38323
baltimore officers that were charged.

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Wolfstan
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada605 Posts
May 02 2015 20:16 GMT
#38324
I really wish one of them had a long flowing mullet.
EG - ROOT - Gambit Gaming
killa_robot
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1884 Posts
May 02 2015 21:37 GMT
#38325
Wonder why all of them are being charged. I only recall around 3 of them really being involved.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22703 Posts
May 02 2015 22:27 GMT
#38326
On May 03 2015 06:37 killa_robot wrote:
Wonder why all of them are being charged. I only recall around 3 of them really being involved.

I guess that is the result of the investigation. If they knew he needed medical attention and did not ensure he got it then they are liable, regardless of their involvement in him getting injured.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24505 Posts
May 03 2015 01:12 GMT
#38327
On May 03 2015 06:37 killa_robot wrote:
Wonder why all of them are being charged. I only recall around 3 of them really being involved.


The typical prosecutor does something like this to try to get someone to flip. You tell the defendants the worst charges you might be able to prove in order to get them to testify. I imagine she is especially doing this since officers in a recent shooting refused to testify (how that doesn't take away ones ability to be a cop is beyond me).

I feel bad for Geraldo's security though.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Millitron
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2611 Posts
May 03 2015 01:54 GMT
#38328
On May 03 2015 10:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2015 06:37 killa_robot wrote:
Wonder why all of them are being charged. I only recall around 3 of them really being involved.


The typical prosecutor does something like this to try to get someone to flip. You tell the defendants the worst charges you might be able to prove in order to get them to testify. I imagine she is especially doing this since officers in a recent shooting refused to testify (how that doesn't take away ones ability to be a cop is beyond me).

I feel bad for Geraldo's security though.

You can't be forced to testify against yourself. Nothing wrong with them refusing to testify.
Who called in the fleet?
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24505 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-03 03:02:53
May 03 2015 02:08 GMT
#38329
On May 03 2015 10:54 Millitron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2015 10:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 03 2015 06:37 killa_robot wrote:
Wonder why all of them are being charged. I only recall around 3 of them really being involved.


The typical prosecutor does something like this to try to get someone to flip. You tell the defendants the worst charges you might be able to prove in order to get them to testify. I imagine she is especially doing this since officers in a recent shooting refused to testify (how that doesn't take away ones ability to be a cop is beyond me).

I feel bad for Geraldo's security though.

You can't be forced to testify against yourself. Nothing wrong with them refusing to testify.


Except they are paid public protectors. I don't have a problem with them not testifying (legally) my problem is that they could refuse to testify an then get their gun and badge handed back. There is 0 reason for a public protector not to testify unless it is protecting the public which there is no chance of that here.

So sure don't testify, just don't expect to have a job as a cop.

+ Show Spoiler +
Just a quick fyi there are about to be a lot of arrests tonight. They are going to be white people refusing their 3rd/4th personal warning from police. 4th warning with a show of force was enough.


So weird to see the constant reference to some of the police officers being black (like it was some sort of "AHA! moment") when universally every Baltimore resident has said it doesn't matter.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Millitron
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2611 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-03 03:25:26
May 03 2015 03:22 GMT
#38330
On May 03 2015 11:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2015 10:54 Millitron wrote:
On May 03 2015 10:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 03 2015 06:37 killa_robot wrote:
Wonder why all of them are being charged. I only recall around 3 of them really being involved.


The typical prosecutor does something like this to try to get someone to flip. You tell the defendants the worst charges you might be able to prove in order to get them to testify. I imagine she is especially doing this since officers in a recent shooting refused to testify (how that doesn't take away ones ability to be a cop is beyond me).

I feel bad for Geraldo's security though.

You can't be forced to testify against yourself. Nothing wrong with them refusing to testify.


Except they are paid public protectors. I don't have a problem with them not testifying (legally) my problem is that they could refuse to testify an then get their gun and badge handed back. There is 0 reason for a public protector not to testify unless it is protecting the public which there is no chance of that here.

So sure don't testify, just don't expect to have a job as a cop.

+ Show Spoiler +
Just a quick fyi there are about to be a lot of arrests tonight. They are going to be white people refusing their 3rd/4th personal warning from police. 4th warning with a show of force was enough.


So weird to see the constant reference to some of the police officers being black (like it was some sort of "AHA! moment") when universally every Baltimore resident has said it doesn't matter.

So you want to punish them for using their constitutional rights?

The reason you don't testify against yourself is that you can accidentally say incriminating things. And I don't mean some bullshit like in A Few Good Men. I mean things like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-incrimination#Truthful_statements_by_an_innocent_person
Who called in the fleet?
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24505 Posts
May 03 2015 07:50 GMT
#38331
On May 03 2015 12:22 Millitron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2015 11:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 03 2015 10:54 Millitron wrote:
On May 03 2015 10:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 03 2015 06:37 killa_robot wrote:
Wonder why all of them are being charged. I only recall around 3 of them really being involved.


The typical prosecutor does something like this to try to get someone to flip. You tell the defendants the worst charges you might be able to prove in order to get them to testify. I imagine she is especially doing this since officers in a recent shooting refused to testify (how that doesn't take away ones ability to be a cop is beyond me).

I feel bad for Geraldo's security though.

You can't be forced to testify against yourself. Nothing wrong with them refusing to testify.


Except they are paid public protectors. I don't have a problem with them not testifying (legally) my problem is that they could refuse to testify an then get their gun and badge handed back. There is 0 reason for a public protector not to testify unless it is protecting the public which there is no chance of that here.

So sure don't testify, just don't expect to have a job as a cop.

+ Show Spoiler +
Just a quick fyi there are about to be a lot of arrests tonight. They are going to be white people refusing their 3rd/4th personal warning from police. 4th warning with a show of force was enough.


So weird to see the constant reference to some of the police officers being black (like it was some sort of "AHA! moment") when universally every Baltimore resident has said it doesn't matter.

So you want to punish them for using their constitutional rights?

The reason you don't testify against yourself is that you can accidentally say incriminating things. And I don't mean some bullshit like in A Few Good Men. I mean things like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-incrimination#Truthful_statements_by_an_innocent_person


Well if they grant one immunity they wouldn't have that protection. They would be compelled to testify. Does seem like a convenient time to care about constitutional rights though. Didn't seem to matter much for Freddie?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-03 08:33:30
May 03 2015 08:31 GMT
#38332
On May 03 2015 16:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2015 12:22 Millitron wrote:
On May 03 2015 11:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 03 2015 10:54 Millitron wrote:
On May 03 2015 10:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 03 2015 06:37 killa_robot wrote:
Wonder why all of them are being charged. I only recall around 3 of them really being involved.


The typical prosecutor does something like this to try to get someone to flip. You tell the defendants the worst charges you might be able to prove in order to get them to testify. I imagine she is especially doing this since officers in a recent shooting refused to testify (how that doesn't take away ones ability to be a cop is beyond me).

I feel bad for Geraldo's security though.

You can't be forced to testify against yourself. Nothing wrong with them refusing to testify.


Except they are paid public protectors. I don't have a problem with them not testifying (legally) my problem is that they could refuse to testify an then get their gun and badge handed back. There is 0 reason for a public protector not to testify unless it is protecting the public which there is no chance of that here.

So sure don't testify, just don't expect to have a job as a cop.

+ Show Spoiler +
Just a quick fyi there are about to be a lot of arrests tonight. They are going to be white people refusing their 3rd/4th personal warning from police. 4th warning with a show of force was enough.


So weird to see the constant reference to some of the police officers being black (like it was some sort of "AHA! moment") when universally every Baltimore resident has said it doesn't matter.

So you want to punish them for using their constitutional rights?

The reason you don't testify against yourself is that you can accidentally say incriminating things. And I don't mean some bullshit like in A Few Good Men. I mean things like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-incrimination#Truthful_statements_by_an_innocent_person


Well if they grant one immunity they wouldn't have that protection. They would be compelled to testify. Does seem like a convenient time to care about constitutional rights though. Didn't seem to matter much for Freddie?


Why are the police officers charged if Freddie's rights didn't matter?
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22703 Posts
May 03 2015 08:51 GMT
#38333
On May 03 2015 17:31 Ghostcom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2015 16:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 03 2015 12:22 Millitron wrote:
On May 03 2015 11:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 03 2015 10:54 Millitron wrote:
On May 03 2015 10:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 03 2015 06:37 killa_robot wrote:
Wonder why all of them are being charged. I only recall around 3 of them really being involved.


The typical prosecutor does something like this to try to get someone to flip. You tell the defendants the worst charges you might be able to prove in order to get them to testify. I imagine she is especially doing this since officers in a recent shooting refused to testify (how that doesn't take away ones ability to be a cop is beyond me).

I feel bad for Geraldo's security though.

You can't be forced to testify against yourself. Nothing wrong with them refusing to testify.


Except they are paid public protectors. I don't have a problem with them not testifying (legally) my problem is that they could refuse to testify an then get their gun and badge handed back. There is 0 reason for a public protector not to testify unless it is protecting the public which there is no chance of that here.

So sure don't testify, just don't expect to have a job as a cop.

+ Show Spoiler +
Just a quick fyi there are about to be a lot of arrests tonight. They are going to be white people refusing their 3rd/4th personal warning from police. 4th warning with a show of force was enough.


So weird to see the constant reference to some of the police officers being black (like it was some sort of "AHA! moment") when universally every Baltimore resident has said it doesn't matter.

So you want to punish them for using their constitutional rights?

The reason you don't testify against yourself is that you can accidentally say incriminating things. And I don't mean some bullshit like in A Few Good Men. I mean things like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-incrimination#Truthful_statements_by_an_innocent_person


Well if they grant one immunity they wouldn't have that protection. They would be compelled to testify. Does seem like a convenient time to care about constitutional rights though. Didn't seem to matter much for Freddie?


Why are the police officers charged if Freddie's rights didn't matter?

sarcasm.
They care about their rights to not testify but they didn't care about Freddie's rights.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
YoureFired
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States822 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-03 15:34:58
May 03 2015 15:34 GMT
#38334
On May 03 2015 17:51 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2015 17:31 Ghostcom wrote:
On May 03 2015 16:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 03 2015 12:22 Millitron wrote:
On May 03 2015 11:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 03 2015 10:54 Millitron wrote:
On May 03 2015 10:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 03 2015 06:37 killa_robot wrote:
Wonder why all of them are being charged. I only recall around 3 of them really being involved.


The typical prosecutor does something like this to try to get someone to flip. You tell the defendants the worst charges you might be able to prove in order to get them to testify. I imagine she is especially doing this since officers in a recent shooting refused to testify (how that doesn't take away ones ability to be a cop is beyond me).

I feel bad for Geraldo's security though.

You can't be forced to testify against yourself. Nothing wrong with them refusing to testify.


Except they are paid public protectors. I don't have a problem with them not testifying (legally) my problem is that they could refuse to testify an then get their gun and badge handed back. There is 0 reason for a public protector not to testify unless it is protecting the public which there is no chance of that here.

So sure don't testify, just don't expect to have a job as a cop.

+ Show Spoiler +
Just a quick fyi there are about to be a lot of arrests tonight. They are going to be white people refusing their 3rd/4th personal warning from police. 4th warning with a show of force was enough.


So weird to see the constant reference to some of the police officers being black (like it was some sort of "AHA! moment") when universally every Baltimore resident has said it doesn't matter.

So you want to punish them for using their constitutional rights?

The reason you don't testify against yourself is that you can accidentally say incriminating things. And I don't mean some bullshit like in A Few Good Men. I mean things like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-incrimination#Truthful_statements_by_an_innocent_person


Well if they grant one immunity they wouldn't have that protection. They would be compelled to testify. Does seem like a convenient time to care about constitutional rights though. Didn't seem to matter much for Freddie?


Why are the police officers charged if Freddie's rights didn't matter?

sarcasm.
They care about their rights to not testify but they didn't care about Freddie's rights.

It's part of a general trend where certain rights (equality, liberty, security) are used only to a certain extent and by increasingly limited groups. Equality is used to justify ending affirmative action. Liberty is used to justify anti-gay discrimination. Security is used to justify police brutality. However, these rights always seem to become much more flexible when you're dealing with people of color/queer community/other marginalized groups.
ted cruz is the zodiac killer
Millitron
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2611 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-03 15:41:16
May 03 2015 15:40 GMT
#38335
On May 03 2015 16:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2015 12:22 Millitron wrote:
On May 03 2015 11:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 03 2015 10:54 Millitron wrote:
On May 03 2015 10:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 03 2015 06:37 killa_robot wrote:
Wonder why all of them are being charged. I only recall around 3 of them really being involved.


The typical prosecutor does something like this to try to get someone to flip. You tell the defendants the worst charges you might be able to prove in order to get them to testify. I imagine she is especially doing this since officers in a recent shooting refused to testify (how that doesn't take away ones ability to be a cop is beyond me).

I feel bad for Geraldo's security though.

You can't be forced to testify against yourself. Nothing wrong with them refusing to testify.


Except they are paid public protectors. I don't have a problem with them not testifying (legally) my problem is that they could refuse to testify an then get their gun and badge handed back. There is 0 reason for a public protector not to testify unless it is protecting the public which there is no chance of that here.

So sure don't testify, just don't expect to have a job as a cop.

+ Show Spoiler +
Just a quick fyi there are about to be a lot of arrests tonight. They are going to be white people refusing their 3rd/4th personal warning from police. 4th warning with a show of force was enough.


So weird to see the constant reference to some of the police officers being black (like it was some sort of "AHA! moment") when universally every Baltimore resident has said it doesn't matter.

So you want to punish them for using their constitutional rights?

The reason you don't testify against yourself is that you can accidentally say incriminating things. And I don't mean some bullshit like in A Few Good Men. I mean things like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-incrimination#Truthful_statements_by_an_innocent_person


Well if they grant one immunity they wouldn't have that protection. They would be compelled to testify. Does seem like a convenient time to care about constitutional rights though. Didn't seem to matter much for Freddie?

So lets not give anyone a fair trial. I mean, they didn't consider their victims rights, why should we consider theirs? Lets just start hanging people as soon as they're accused.
I'm surprised you're following this train of logic. You're the one with a deep-seated distrust of the justice system, and yet you want to restrict protections of the accused.
Who called in the fleet?
puerk
Profile Joined February 2015
Germany855 Posts
May 03 2015 16:13 GMT
#38336
On May 04 2015 00:40 Millitron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2015 16:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 03 2015 12:22 Millitron wrote:
On May 03 2015 11:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 03 2015 10:54 Millitron wrote:
On May 03 2015 10:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 03 2015 06:37 killa_robot wrote:
Wonder why all of them are being charged. I only recall around 3 of them really being involved.


The typical prosecutor does something like this to try to get someone to flip. You tell the defendants the worst charges you might be able to prove in order to get them to testify. I imagine she is especially doing this since officers in a recent shooting refused to testify (how that doesn't take away ones ability to be a cop is beyond me).

I feel bad for Geraldo's security though.

You can't be forced to testify against yourself. Nothing wrong with them refusing to testify.


Except they are paid public protectors. I don't have a problem with them not testifying (legally) my problem is that they could refuse to testify an then get their gun and badge handed back. There is 0 reason for a public protector not to testify unless it is protecting the public which there is no chance of that here.

So sure don't testify, just don't expect to have a job as a cop.

+ Show Spoiler +
Just a quick fyi there are about to be a lot of arrests tonight. They are going to be white people refusing their 3rd/4th personal warning from police. 4th warning with a show of force was enough.


So weird to see the constant reference to some of the police officers being black (like it was some sort of "AHA! moment") when universally every Baltimore resident has said it doesn't matter.

So you want to punish them for using their constitutional rights?

The reason you don't testify against yourself is that you can accidentally say incriminating things. And I don't mean some bullshit like in A Few Good Men. I mean things like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-incrimination#Truthful_statements_by_an_innocent_person


Well if they grant one immunity they wouldn't have that protection. They would be compelled to testify. Does seem like a convenient time to care about constitutional rights though. Didn't seem to matter much for Freddie?

So lets not give anyone a fair trial. I mean, they didn't consider their victims rights, why should we consider theirs? Lets just start hanging people as soon as they're accused.
I'm surprised you're following this train of logic. You're the one with a deep-seated distrust of the justice system, and yet you want to restrict protections of the accused.


No he wants their employer to hold them to the actual standard of employment. A person that is willingly keeping crimes committed by others a secret is per definition not fit to be police.
Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
May 03 2015 16:15 GMT
#38337
You don't have a right to be a police officer.
Capitalism is beneficial for people who work harder than other people. Under capitalism the only way to make more money is to work harder then your competitors whether they be other companies or workers. ~ Vegetarian
Millitron
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2611 Posts
May 03 2015 16:31 GMT
#38338
On May 04 2015 01:13 puerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2015 00:40 Millitron wrote:
On May 03 2015 16:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 03 2015 12:22 Millitron wrote:
On May 03 2015 11:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 03 2015 10:54 Millitron wrote:
On May 03 2015 10:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 03 2015 06:37 killa_robot wrote:
Wonder why all of them are being charged. I only recall around 3 of them really being involved.


The typical prosecutor does something like this to try to get someone to flip. You tell the defendants the worst charges you might be able to prove in order to get them to testify. I imagine she is especially doing this since officers in a recent shooting refused to testify (how that doesn't take away ones ability to be a cop is beyond me).

I feel bad for Geraldo's security though.

You can't be forced to testify against yourself. Nothing wrong with them refusing to testify.


Except they are paid public protectors. I don't have a problem with them not testifying (legally) my problem is that they could refuse to testify an then get their gun and badge handed back. There is 0 reason for a public protector not to testify unless it is protecting the public which there is no chance of that here.

So sure don't testify, just don't expect to have a job as a cop.

+ Show Spoiler +
Just a quick fyi there are about to be a lot of arrests tonight. They are going to be white people refusing their 3rd/4th personal warning from police. 4th warning with a show of force was enough.


So weird to see the constant reference to some of the police officers being black (like it was some sort of "AHA! moment") when universally every Baltimore resident has said it doesn't matter.

So you want to punish them for using their constitutional rights?

The reason you don't testify against yourself is that you can accidentally say incriminating things. And I don't mean some bullshit like in A Few Good Men. I mean things like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-incrimination#Truthful_statements_by_an_innocent_person


Well if they grant one immunity they wouldn't have that protection. They would be compelled to testify. Does seem like a convenient time to care about constitutional rights though. Didn't seem to matter much for Freddie?

So lets not give anyone a fair trial. I mean, they didn't consider their victims rights, why should we consider theirs? Lets just start hanging people as soon as they're accused.
I'm surprised you're following this train of logic. You're the one with a deep-seated distrust of the justice system, and yet you want to restrict protections of the accused.


No he wants their employer to hold them to the actual standard of employment. A person that is willingly keeping crimes committed by others a secret is per definition not fit to be police.

That sounds like punishing someone for not testifying against himself to me.
Who called in the fleet?
puerk
Profile Joined February 2015
Germany855 Posts
May 03 2015 16:35 GMT
#38339
On May 04 2015 01:31 Millitron wrote:
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On May 04 2015 01:13 puerk wrote:
On May 04 2015 00:40 Millitron wrote:
On May 03 2015 16:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 03 2015 12:22 Millitron wrote:
On May 03 2015 11:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 03 2015 10:54 Millitron wrote:
On May 03 2015 10:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 03 2015 06:37 killa_robot wrote:
Wonder why all of them are being charged. I only recall around 3 of them really being involved.


The typical prosecutor does something like this to try to get someone to flip. You tell the defendants the worst charges you might be able to prove in order to get them to testify. I imagine she is especially doing this since officers in a recent shooting refused to testify (how that doesn't take away ones ability to be a cop is beyond me).

I feel bad for Geraldo's security though.

You can't be forced to testify against yourself. Nothing wrong with them refusing to testify.


Except they are paid public protectors. I don't have a problem with them not testifying (legally) my problem is that they could refuse to testify an then get their gun and badge handed back. There is 0 reason for a public protector not to testify unless it is protecting the public which there is no chance of that here.

So sure don't testify, just don't expect to have a job as a cop.

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Just a quick fyi there are about to be a lot of arrests tonight. They are going to be white people refusing their 3rd/4th personal warning from police. 4th warning with a show of force was enough.


So weird to see the constant reference to some of the police officers being black (like it was some sort of "AHA! moment") when universally every Baltimore resident has said it doesn't matter.

So you want to punish them for using their constitutional rights?

The reason you don't testify against yourself is that you can accidentally say incriminating things. And I don't mean some bullshit like in A Few Good Men. I mean things like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-incrimination#Truthful_statements_by_an_innocent_person


Well if they grant one immunity they wouldn't have that protection. They would be compelled to testify. Does seem like a convenient time to care about constitutional rights though. Didn't seem to matter much for Freddie?

So lets not give anyone a fair trial. I mean, they didn't consider their victims rights, why should we consider theirs? Lets just start hanging people as soon as they're accused.
I'm surprised you're following this train of logic. You're the one with a deep-seated distrust of the justice system, and yet you want to restrict protections of the accused.


No he wants their employer to hold them to the actual standard of employment. A person that is willingly keeping crimes committed by others a secret is per definition not fit to be police.

That sounds like punishing someone for not testifying against himself to me.


From the history of posts in this thread: everything sounds like something else to you than it is.
Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-03 16:44:08
May 03 2015 16:40 GMT
#38340
On May 04 2015 01:31 Millitron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2015 01:13 puerk wrote:
On May 04 2015 00:40 Millitron wrote:
On May 03 2015 16:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 03 2015 12:22 Millitron wrote:
On May 03 2015 11:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 03 2015 10:54 Millitron wrote:
On May 03 2015 10:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 03 2015 06:37 killa_robot wrote:
Wonder why all of them are being charged. I only recall around 3 of them really being involved.


The typical prosecutor does something like this to try to get someone to flip. You tell the defendants the worst charges you might be able to prove in order to get them to testify. I imagine she is especially doing this since officers in a recent shooting refused to testify (how that doesn't take away ones ability to be a cop is beyond me).

I feel bad for Geraldo's security though.

You can't be forced to testify against yourself. Nothing wrong with them refusing to testify.


Except they are paid public protectors. I don't have a problem with them not testifying (legally) my problem is that they could refuse to testify an then get their gun and badge handed back. There is 0 reason for a public protector not to testify unless it is protecting the public which there is no chance of that here.

So sure don't testify, just don't expect to have a job as a cop.

+ Show Spoiler +
Just a quick fyi there are about to be a lot of arrests tonight. They are going to be white people refusing their 3rd/4th personal warning from police. 4th warning with a show of force was enough.


So weird to see the constant reference to some of the police officers being black (like it was some sort of "AHA! moment") when universally every Baltimore resident has said it doesn't matter.

So you want to punish them for using their constitutional rights?

The reason you don't testify against yourself is that you can accidentally say incriminating things. And I don't mean some bullshit like in A Few Good Men. I mean things like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-incrimination#Truthful_statements_by_an_innocent_person


Well if they grant one immunity they wouldn't have that protection. They would be compelled to testify. Does seem like a convenient time to care about constitutional rights though. Didn't seem to matter much for Freddie?

So lets not give anyone a fair trial. I mean, they didn't consider their victims rights, why should we consider theirs? Lets just start hanging people as soon as they're accused.
I'm surprised you're following this train of logic. You're the one with a deep-seated distrust of the justice system, and yet you want to restrict protections of the accused.


No he wants their employer to hold them to the actual standard of employment. A person that is willingly keeping crimes committed by others a secret is per definition not fit to be police.

That sounds like punishing someone for not testifying against himself to me.

Sounds pretty standard if you believe in liberty and the free market.
"Hey Jim what happened to the shipment on Tuesday?"
"I plead the 5th"
"You're fired"

The moment they make their job as a PUBLIC servant private in the court of law, they cease to be a public servant, no?
If you refuse to be held responsible for your actions then you shouldn't be allowed to be a cop. Pretty sure that's why there were riots in the first place.
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