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On April 29 2015 06:19 zlefin wrote: GH, I'm gonna ignore all accusation of racism you level, because you throw it around WAY too freely and unjustifiably.
Do what you want but I'm done not calling racism racism because people here don't know what racism is.
On April 29 2015 06:19 zlefin wrote: GH, I'm gonna ignore all accusation of racism you level, because you throw it around WAY too freely and unjustifiably.
Do what you want but I'm done not calling racism racism because people here don't know what racism is.
Neither do you.
Well at least you admit you don't know what racism is so you can just stop talking about it.
On April 29 2015 06:19 zlefin wrote: GH, I'm gonna ignore all accusation of racism you level, because you throw it around WAY too freely and unjustifiably.
Do what you want but I'm done not calling racism racism because people here don't know what racism is.
Neither do you.
Racist.
Well at least you admit you don't know what racism is so you can just stop talking about it. Why would you use a term you admit you don't understand?
On April 29 2015 06:26 Plansix wrote: Question: how much Fox news and American news coverage is played in Denmark? All politics are local. Racism is the same.
I have lived 12 months in San Francisco and have been back to the US (other other parts) for 2x4 months each place.
EDIT: I read time.com, San Francisco chronicle, NY times, and Washington Post at least once weekly.
I still don't understand why people think the war on drugs was a failure. The global situation has gotten a lot better from the cocaine cowboys day.
I can understand it that people think that the whole strategy to fight the demand side was an abject failure but the truth is that south america is a lot better off for us ignoring their sovereignty for a generation. The flipping small time guys with petty jail sentences to get higher up people with rico charges is an effective anti organized crime tactic.
On April 29 2015 06:26 Plansix wrote: Question: how much Fox news and American news coverage is played in Denmark? All politics are local. Racism is the same.
I lived 12 months in San Francisco and have been back to the US (other other parts) for 2x4 months each place.
I'm terribly curious where the other two places are if you chose to name San Francisco and not them in an effort to demonstrate your experience with racism in the US?
On April 29 2015 06:29 Sermokala wrote: I still don't understand why people think the war on drugs was a failure. The global situation has gotten a lot better from the cocaine cowboys day.
I can understand it that people think that the whole strategy to fight the demand side was an abject failure but the truth is that south america is a lot better off for us ignoring their sovereignty for a generation. The flipping small time guys with petty jail sentences to get higher up people with rico charges is an effective anti organized crime tactic.
I just wish they did the same thing with police officers. Oh and the decrease in illicit drugs has been joined by rampant increase in abuse of prescription medication. So much so that they kill more than heroin and cocaine combined. So the war on drugs looks a lot more like an attempt to criminalize certain people, while giving others virtually unlimited access to the drugs they are okay with, rather than reduce drug use or deaths.
On April 29 2015 06:29 Sermokala wrote: I still don't understand why people think the war on drugs was a failure. The global situation has gotten a lot better from the cocaine cowboys day.
I can understand it that people think that the whole strategy to fight the demand side was an abject failure but the truth is that south america is a lot better off for us ignoring their sovereignty for a generation. The flipping small time guys with petty jail sentences to get higher up people with rico charges is an effective anti organized crime tactic.
On April 29 2015 06:26 Plansix wrote: Question: how much Fox news and American news coverage is played in Denmark? All politics are local. Racism is the same.
I lived 12 months in San Francisco and have been back to the US (other other parts) for 2x4 months each place.
Personally, I would be reluctant to comment on race relations in Denmark even if I lived there for several years. Or really any social issue in a country I was not from and had not experienced previous conflicts over race/social issue.
The history with Baltimore and racism has been decades in the making and the news coverage of it sucks. And the need to blame "the black community" like there is some black community news letter/mailing list than goes out every morning is ridiculous. It is pretty racist that Fox news is asking "were are all the civil rights leaders" as if they have some magic powers to stop riots when the national guard is required.
On April 29 2015 06:29 Sermokala wrote: I still don't understand why people think the war on drugs was a failure. The global situation has gotten a lot better from the cocaine cowboys day.
I can understand it that people think that the whole strategy to fight the demand side was an abject failure but the truth is that south america is a lot better off for us ignoring their sovereignty for a generation. The flipping small time guys with petty jail sentences to get higher up people with rico charges is an effective anti organized crime tactic.
A major reason there is such a problem with cartels is that the black market in the US provides a very easy source of income. The cartels would not be so dangerous without desperate American junkies filling their pockets.
On April 29 2015 06:26 Plansix wrote: Question: how much Fox news and American news coverage is played in Denmark? All politics are local. Racism is the same.
I lived 12 months in San Francisco and have been back to the US (other other parts) for 2x4 months each place.
I'm terribly curious where the other two places are if you chose to name San Francisco and not them in an effort to demonstrate your experience with racism in the US?
On April 29 2015 06:29 Sermokala wrote: I still don't understand why people think the war on drugs was a failure. The global situation has gotten a lot better from the cocaine cowboys day.
I can understand it that people think that the whole strategy to fight the demand side was an abject failure but the truth is that south america is a lot better off for us ignoring their sovereignty for a generation. The flipping small time guys with petty jail sentences to get higher up people with rico charges is an effective anti organized crime tactic.
I just wish they did the same thing with police officers. Oh and the decrease in illicit drugs has been joined by rampant increase in abuse of prescription medication. So much so that they kill more than heroin and cocaine combined. So the war on drugs looks a lot more like an attempt to criminalize certain people, while giving others virtually unlimited access to the drugs they are okay with, rather than reduce drug use or deaths.
That's the crux of every issue to you isn't it? That every bad decision is somehow actually deliberate, and is designed to target black people.
Can't it just be that people are uneducated about drugs, and have an irrational fear of them? Does it really have to be scheming bigots out to oppress black people?
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." - Robert Hanlon
On April 29 2015 06:29 Sermokala wrote: I still don't understand why people think the war on drugs was a failure. The global situation has gotten a lot better from the cocaine cowboys day.
I can understand it that people think that the whole strategy to fight the demand side was an abject failure but the truth is that south america is a lot better off for us ignoring their sovereignty for a generation. The flipping small time guys with petty jail sentences to get higher up people with rico charges is an effective anti organized crime tactic.
Lol. Wut?
Cartels don't own wholesale parts of nations. Columbia is becoming a south american silicon valley. Brazil actualy had a hope of being a world power when they discovered the fossil fuels off their coast.
Things got better in south america in the last few decades right?
On April 29 2015 06:29 Sermokala wrote: I still don't understand why people think the war on drugs was a failure. The global situation has gotten a lot better from the cocaine cowboys day.
I can understand it that people think that the whole strategy to fight the demand side was an abject failure but the truth is that south america is a lot better off for us ignoring their sovereignty for a generation. The flipping small time guys with petty jail sentences to get higher up people with rico charges is an effective anti organized crime tactic.
A major reason there is such a problem with cartels is that the black market in the US provides a very easy source of income. The cartels would not be so dangerous without desperate American junkies filling their pockets.
People buy drugs and nothing the government can do will stop them (even the most totalitarian regimes with life in prison or death penalties associated with drugs don't have 0 drug use) prohibition simply doesn't work.
So if we want to be real about the situation we have to ask the honest question of would we rather Americans buy their drugs from shady dealers tangentially related to South American or Middle Eastern Cartels or through the same place they get all of the other deadly drugs they buy.
Or just keep spending billions incarcerating people that if they sold a different more deadly drug would be making 6 figures at Merck or someone instead of rotting in a prison cell. Bullshit arguments about peoples safety or crime are obviously crap. Not that there aren't valid points just that they are never framed in a way that is valid/consistent.
On April 29 2015 06:29 Sermokala wrote: I still don't understand why people think the war on drugs was a failure. The global situation has gotten a lot better from the cocaine cowboys day.
I can understand it that people think that the whole strategy to fight the demand side was an abject failure but the truth is that south america is a lot better off for us ignoring their sovereignty for a generation. The flipping small time guys with petty jail sentences to get higher up people with rico charges is an effective anti organized crime tactic.
Lol. Wut?
Cartels don't own wholesale parts of nations. Columbia is becoming a south american silicon valley. Brazil actualy had a hope of being a world power when they discovered the fossil fuels off their coast.
Things got better in south america in the last few decades right?
Any and everyone who knows about the situation will tell you that decriminalizing cannabis has hurt cartels more than decades of the drug war (and that's just a handful of places and circumstances).
On April 29 2015 06:29 Sermokala wrote: I still don't understand why people think the war on drugs was a failure. The global situation has gotten a lot better from the cocaine cowboys day.
I can understand it that people think that the whole strategy to fight the demand side was an abject failure but the truth is that south america is a lot better off for us ignoring their sovereignty for a generation. The flipping small time guys with petty jail sentences to get higher up people with rico charges is an effective anti organized crime tactic.
A major reason there is such a problem with cartels is that the black market in the US provides a very easy source of income. The cartels would not be so dangerous without desperate American junkies filling their pockets.
On April 29 2015 06:26 Plansix wrote: Question: how much Fox news and American news coverage is played in Denmark? All politics are local. Racism is the same.
I lived 12 months in San Francisco and have been back to the US (other other parts) for 2x4 months each place.
I'm terribly curious where the other two places are if you chose to name San Francisco and not them in an effort to demonstrate your experience with racism in the US?
On April 29 2015 06:29 Sermokala wrote: I still don't understand why people think the war on drugs was a failure. The global situation has gotten a lot better from the cocaine cowboys day.
I can understand it that people think that the whole strategy to fight the demand side was an abject failure but the truth is that south america is a lot better off for us ignoring their sovereignty for a generation. The flipping small time guys with petty jail sentences to get higher up people with rico charges is an effective anti organized crime tactic.
I just wish they did the same thing with police officers. Oh and the decrease in illicit drugs has been joined by rampant increase in abuse of prescription medication. So much so that they kill more than heroin and cocaine combined. So the war on drugs looks a lot more like an attempt to criminalize certain people, while giving others virtually unlimited access to the drugs they are okay with, rather than reduce drug use or deaths.
That's the crux of every issue to you isn't it? That every bad decision is somehow actually deliberate, and is designed to target black people.
Can't it just be that people are uneducated about drugs, and have an irrational fear of them? Does it really have to be scheming bigots out to oppress black people?
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." - Robert Hanlon
I was describing what the results look like, I don't actually think most racism is intentional, that's what makes it so keyboard smashingly frustrating when people can't comprehend that racism doesn't have to be intentional to have the same or a similar impact. Or that one doesn't have to know what they are saying is racist for it to be racist. Or that black people can be 'racist' against other black people (please everyone stop using this particularly unbelievably ignorant and racist rationale).
On April 29 2015 06:26 Plansix wrote: Question: how much Fox news and American news coverage is played in Denmark? All politics are local. Racism is the same.
I lived 12 months in San Francisco and have been back to the US (other other parts) for 2x4 months each place.
Personally, I would be reluctant to comment on race relations in Denmark even if I lived there for several years. Or really any social issue in a country I was not from and had not experienced previous conflicts over race/social issue.
The history with Baltimore and racism has been decades in the making and the news coverage of it sucks. And the need to blame "the black community" like there is some black community news letter/mailing list than goes out every morning is ridiculous. It is pretty racist that Fox news is asking "were are all the civil rights leaders" as if they have some magic powers to stop riots when the national guard is required.
I don't really care about what you feel... I care about facts and so far I'm the only one who has linked anything concrete.
It's a good thing I don't feel a need to blame "the black community" (and I haven't once done so). The "where are all the civil rights leaders" question is obviously moronic and I have not once stated otherwise. I have however pointed out that it is wrong to equal all media to FOX news.
I really don't understand why this had to become about my person instead of my statements?
EDIT: And I'm not going to disclose the other two locations as 1) it should be statements that mattered, not my person and 2) It would become rather easy to identify me provided you knew where to look.
On April 29 2015 06:29 Sermokala wrote: I still don't understand why people think the war on drugs was a failure. The global situation has gotten a lot better from the cocaine cowboys day.
I can understand it that people think that the whole strategy to fight the demand side was an abject failure but the truth is that south america is a lot better off for us ignoring their sovereignty for a generation. The flipping small time guys with petty jail sentences to get higher up people with rico charges is an effective anti organized crime tactic.
Lol. Wut?
Cartels don't own wholesale parts of nations. Columbia is becoming a south american silicon valley. Brazil actualy had a hope of being a world power when they discovered the fossil fuels off their coast.
Things got better in south america in the last few decades right?
I would argue that they got better despite US meddling not because of, although I can't talk about ColOmbia, because I've never been there.
However, Argentina and Chile at least had horrid dictatorships that got blatant US support throughout the 70s and 80s. Brazil's military dictatorship was generally a bit better and less violent, but while the whole region has had its struggles with democracy since the very beginning, the US has had a hand in keeping the region unstable between about the 60s and the 90s. There's a reason that anti-American rhetoric is such a popular tool with populist governments all over the continent.
On April 29 2015 06:29 Sermokala wrote: I still don't understand why people think the war on drugs was a failure. The global situation has gotten a lot better from the cocaine cowboys day.
I can understand it that people think that the whole strategy to fight the demand side was an abject failure but the truth is that south america is a lot better off for us ignoring their sovereignty for a generation. The flipping small time guys with petty jail sentences to get higher up people with rico charges is an effective anti organized crime tactic.
Lol. Wut?
Cartels don't own wholesale parts of nations. Columbia is becoming a south american silicon valley. Brazil actualy had a hope of being a world power when they discovered the fossil fuels off their coast.
Things got better in south america in the last few decades right?
yeah like nearly everywhere else in the world, it got better in the last 50 years, so how did the US war on drugs now contribute to that?
On April 29 2015 06:26 Plansix wrote: Question: how much Fox news and American news coverage is played in Denmark? All politics are local. Racism is the same.
I lived 12 months in San Francisco and have been back to the US (other other parts) for 2x4 months each place.
Personally, I would be reluctant to comment on race relations in Denmark even if I lived there for several years. Or really any social issue in a country I was not from and had not experienced previous conflicts over race/social issue.
The history with Baltimore and racism has been decades in the making and the news coverage of it sucks. And the need to blame "the black community" like there is some black community news letter/mailing list than goes out every morning is ridiculous. It is pretty racist that Fox news is asking "were are all the civil rights leaders" as if they have some magic powers to stop riots when the national guard is required.
I don't really care about what you feel... I care about facts and so far I'm the only one who has linked anything concrete.
It's a good thing I don't feel a need to blame "the black community" (and I haven't once done so). The "where are all the civil rights leaders" question is obviously moronic and I have not once stated otherwise. I have however pointed out that it is wrong to equal all media to FOX news.
I really don't understand why this had to become about my person instead of my statements?
EDIT: And I'm not going to disclose the other two locations as 1) it should be statements that mattered, not my person and 2) It would become rather easy to identify me provided you knew where to look.
I don't think anyone ever said all media =Fox News. If I missed that and you aren't making it up I guess you have a point there?
I just asked because SF is a terrible place to assess race relations (particularly black-white).
Fuck the war on drugs, spend those billions on urban development and there wouldn't be a goddamn drug problem. The war on drugs is a fucking facade, a lie. The CIA literally started the crack cocaine epidemic to fund Nicaraguan rebels. There isn't a war on drugs. There's a war on information.
On April 29 2015 06:26 Plansix wrote: Question: how much Fox news and American news coverage is played in Denmark? All politics are local. Racism is the same.
I lived 12 months in San Francisco and have been back to the US (other other parts) for 2x4 months each place.
Personally, I would be reluctant to comment on race relations in Denmark even if I lived there for several years. Or really any social issue in a country I was not from and had not experienced previous conflicts over race/social issue.
The history with Baltimore and racism has been decades in the making and the news coverage of it sucks. And the need to blame "the black community" like there is some black community news letter/mailing list than goes out every morning is ridiculous. It is pretty racist that Fox news is asking "were are all the civil rights leaders" as if they have some magic powers to stop riots when the national guard is required.
I don't really care about what you feel... I care about facts and so far I'm the only one who has linked anything concrete.
It's a good thing I don't feel a need to blame "the black community" (and I haven't once done so). The "where are all the civil rights leaders" question is obviously moronic and I have not once stated otherwise. I have however pointed out that it is wrong to equal all media to FOX news.
I really don't understand why this had to become about my person instead of my statements?
EDIT: And I'm not going to disclose the other two locations as 1) it should be statements that mattered, not my person and 2) It would become rather easy to identify me provided you knew where to look.
I don't think anyone ever said all media =Fox News. If I missed that and you aren't making it up I guess you have a point there?
I just asked because SF is a terrible place to assess race relations (particularly black-white).
People were talking about the media coverage in general with regards to different riots. You were the one to focus only on right-wing media and claiming that everyone was in denial of facts because they in their ignorance didn't admit that the right wing media coverage was racist. Truth is that close to zero probably watches right-wing media - in fact you seem to be the best informed about right-wing media of us all.
I still don't see the relevance of my person to that of the validity of the statements made in this thread. Once again, unlike you, I have actually posted concrete data.
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) will launch a campaign seeking the Democratic nomination for president in 2016 on Thursday.
Sanders will be the first official challenger for the Democratic nomination to former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who launched her campaign earlier this month.
Sanders' decision was first reported byVermont Public Radio, and confirmed by The Huffington Post.
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