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lastpuritan
United States540 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
something something little birds from somewhere in virginia. expecting his speech. obama absolutely owned this guy. | ||
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hannahbelle
United States0 Posts
On February 24 2015 16:30 oneofthem wrote: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/02/leaks-netanyahu-misled-iran-nuclear-programme-guardian-iran-nuclear-speech-2012-150218165622065.html something something little birds from somewhere in virginia. expecting his speech. obama absolutely owned this guy. Don't really care for old Benny any here, but the article itself is misleading. The activities that Iran is engaging in is necessary for creating a nuclear weapon. It is also used for non weapon purposes. The Mossad is saying, according to your article, that Iran is engaging in activity that is laying the ground work for a nuclear weapon. But the Mossad also doesn't believe it is currently making a weapon. I don't see the big hoopla here. Iran is being smart. They are doing every thing that they can to pursue a weapons program, without actually engaging in any activities are only used in making a weapon. If I was Iran, I would do the same thing. I would ride that fine line all the way to the end of the tracks. That way, when I wanted to flip the switch to a bomb, I would only need 3mos to a year to complete it, which may as well be next day air as far as today's political environment is concerned when it comes to doing anything about Iran. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18356 Posts
On February 24 2015 22:40 hannahbelle wrote: Don't really care for old Benny any here, but the article itself is misleading. The activities that Iran is engaging in is necessary for creating a nuclear weapon. It is also used for non weapon purposes. The Mossad is saying, according to your article, that Iran is engaging in activity that is laying the ground work for a nuclear weapon. But the Mossad also doesn't believe it is currently making a weapon. I don't see the big hoopla here. Iran is being smart. They are doing every thing that they can to pursue a weapons program, without actually engaging in any activities are only used in making a weapon. If I was Iran, I would do the same thing. I would ride that fine line all the way to the end of the tracks. That way, when I wanted to flip the switch to a bomb, I would only need 3mos to a year to complete it, which may as well be next day air as far as today's political environment is concerned when it comes to doing anything about Iran. And yet, for some reason, I believe the Mossad specialists who say they are NOT doing that, and what the Iranians are doing will set back any potential weapons program, and not you. I wonder why that is. | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
The comments on Al Jazeera are hideous and hilarious. | ||
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hannahbelle
United States0 Posts
On February 24 2015 22:53 Acrofales wrote: And yet, for some reason, I believe the Mossad specialists who say they are NOT doing that, and what the Iranians are doing will set back any potential weapons program, and not you. I wonder why that is. What don't you get here? Even the Mossad said, as quoted in the article, that "Such activities, however, 'will reduce the time required to produce weapons from the time the instruction is actually given'." This I exactly what I said in my post. The article never mentioned anything about the Iranians doing anything to set back their program. They agreed to destroy enriched material, but none has of yet to be destroyed, and I doubt any will. Some of you guys really are blinded by ideology. | ||
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hannahbelle
United States0 Posts
On February 24 2015 23:35 coverpunch wrote: I'm personally very curious about how Al Jazeera could get classified Mossad documents. I wonder if the Obama administration leaked them to embarrass Netanyahu and let him know that two can play at that game. The comments on Al Jazeera are hideous and hilarious. As much as Obama is to blame for a lot of things, I doubt this would be one. My guess would be maybe an anti-Bibi faction in Israel did it. | ||
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mariiopac
Italy3 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
but yes lets spin an ic conclusion into something different because of this knowledge of fissile processing. psst everyone knows that | ||
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hannahbelle
United States0 Posts
On February 25 2015 03:03 oneofthem wrote: little bird in virginia did it. but yes lets spin an ic conclusion into something different because of this knowledge of fissile processing. psst everyone knows that I agreed with the IC assessment. You are the one that is choosing to selectively ignore a key portion of the article. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
The Chicago police department operates an off-the-books interrogation compound, rendering Americans unable to be found by family or attorneys while locked inside what lawyers say is the domestic equivalent of a CIA black site. The facility, a nondescript warehouse on Chicago’s west side known as Homan Square, has long been the scene of secretive work by special police units. Interviews with local attorneys and one protester who spent the better part of a day shackled in Homan Square describe operations that deny access to basic constitutional rights. Alleged police practices at Homan Square, according to those familiar with the facility who spoke out to the Guardian after its investigation into Chicago police abuse, include:
At least one man was found unresponsive in a Homan Square “interview room” and later pronounced dead. Brian Jacob Church, a protester known as one of the “Nato Three”, was held and questioned at Homan Square in 2012 following a police raid. Officers restrained Church for the better part of a day, denying him access to an attorney, before sending him to a nearby police station to be booked and charged. Source | ||
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hannahbelle
United States0 Posts
Chicago, home of our president. Nah, this is just coincidence. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On February 25 2015 03:08 hannahbelle wrote: I agreed with the IC assessment. You are the one that is choosing to selectively ignore a key portion of the article. iran has a breeder reactor and also processes for enriching 20% uranium, but these are not new information. the new information is the mossad assessment which differs from netanyahu's presentation. a CONCLUSORYstatement incorporates the detail you cited and if their conclusion contradicts yours, it's not because they don't know the stuff you are talking about, it's because everyone knows it and it doesn't matter. Mossad's formal assessment of Iran's nuclear capacity and intentions differs from the scenario outlined by the prime minister at the UN it requires considerable time and a separate facility to reprocess the products of the breeder reactor for weapon grade plutonium. that can be shut down quickly if they are actually doing it. the 20% enriched stockpile has been there for a while and they've not taken significant steps to increase it recently. their breeder reactor is eating into that stockpile. the mossad leak was in late 2012, and since then iran has given in to pressure even further. let me make an analogy here. in order to build a nuke you need 200 gas, minerals and the add-on. right now iran is collecting gas and stuck on a sci-fi lab with no add-ons. their cc has a comsat. so the "increased progress" represents very insignificant step towards a bomb. the actual difficulty is not getting the low grade material, which is what iran has. the difficulty is the better tech, including precision manufacturing to produce refining process that can go up to 95% etc. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24130 Posts
adding that the department “has zero tolerance for misconduct, and has instituted a series of internal initiatives and reforms, to ensure past incidents of police misconduct are not repeated”. Without providing any specifics, it claimed “the allegations in this instance are not supported by the facts.”) This is S-Tier level bullshit. "The allegations are not supported by the facts"... Well no shit when you keep the whole operation off the books... There needs to be a national review of police departments and I think many of them need new leadership altogether. In other news Ben Carson gave us a peek into is foreign policy... SUMMARY: Boots on the ground, and War doesn't/shouldn't have rules (AKA The Geneva Conventions) Also in the least surprising thing this year, Republicans #1 priority (The Keystone Pipeline) has been vetoed and has no chance to override said veto (as has been known since before they wasted time and money passing it). Combine that with Republicans first actual accomplishment since taking power will be shutting down the government (or narrowly avoiding it) and the old adage "The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it" rings truer and truer. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On February 24 2015 22:40 hannahbelle wrote: Don't really care for old Benny any here, but the article itself is misleading. The activities that Iran is engaging in is necessary for creating a nuclear weapon. It is also used for non weapon purposes. The Mossad is saying, according to your article, that Iran is engaging in activity that is laying then ground work for a nuclear weapon. But the Mossad also doesn't believe it is currently making a weapon. I don't see the big hoopla here. Iran is being smart. They are doing every thing that they can to pursue a weapons program, without actually engaging in any activities are only used in making a weapon. If I was Iran, I would do the same thing. I would ride that fine line all the way to the end of the tracks. That way, when I wanted to flip the switch to a bomb, I would only need 3mos to a year to complete it, which may as well be next day air as far as today's political environment is concerned when it comes to doing anything about Iran. lol how did i miss this one. where did you get your intel? fox intelligence agency or fanfiction.net? | ||
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Introvert
United States5000 Posts
So I have to ask, why would Obama threaten to shut down so much of the department over an executive action that was blocked by a court (for now), anyway? Doesn't it seem like Obama is being kind of petty? "Give me 100% or this thing shuts down." So bipartisan! And again, the Repubs cave. I'm having a hard time thinking of anything significant since 2011 that Obama has compromised on, most of the time it's the GOP giving up in the final hours. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On February 25 2015 06:58 Introvert wrote: I find it interesting that the Republicans want to fund the enterity of the DHS except for Obama's executive immigration action, and yet it's the Republicans who are being rigid. So I have to ask, why would Obama threaten to shut down so much of the department over an executive action that was blocked by a court (for now), anyway? Doesn't it seem like Obama is being kind of petty? "Give me 100% or this thing shuts down." So bipartisan! And again, the Repubs cave. I'm having a hard time thinking of anything significant since 2011 that Obama has compromised on, most of the time it's the GOP giving up in the final hours. Sounds like typical political grandstanding to me. Even if you're not planning to do anything, waste as much time as possible pretending that you are. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On February 25 2015 06:58 Introvert wrote: I find it interesting that the Republicans want to fund the enterity of the DHS except for Obama's executive immigration action, and yet it's the Republicans who are being rigid. So I have to ask, why would Obama threaten to shut down so much of the department over an executive action that was blocked by a court (for now), anyway? Doesn't it seem like Obama is being kind of petty? "Give me 100% or this thing shuts down." So bipartisan! And again, the Repubs cave. I'm having a hard time thinking of anything significant since 2011 that Obama has compromised on, most of the time it's the GOP giving up in the final hours. It's not "caving" or "compromising" if you take an absolutely absurd position in the first place and then come back to something reasonable. | ||
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Introvert
United States5000 Posts
On February 25 2015 08:43 Stratos_speAr wrote: It's not "caving" or "compromising" if you take an absolutely absurd position in the first place and then come back to something reasonable. Considering Obama's own words on this topic before 2014, opposing this action hardly seems absurd. But this is always the response. "We like compromise, if only our opposition would be reasonable." And on that front, the Dems should be happy. Obama has won just about every showdown or conflict with minimal concessions. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On February 25 2015 09:47 Introvert wrote: Considering Obama's own words on this topic before 2014, opposing this action hardly seems absurd. But this is always the response. "We like compromise, if only our opposition would be reasonable." And on that front, the Dems should be happy. Obama has won just about every showdown or conflict with minimal concessions. Shutting down the government isn't a reasonable stance. | ||
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