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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 21 2015 03:28 GMT
#31701
This doesn't seem like a response more like a campaign commercial.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 21 2015 03:28 GMT
#31702
Oh jesus.. Really? Bread bags?!
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24139 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-21 03:31:36
January 21 2015 03:30 GMT
#31703
"Key Stone Jobs bill" seriously.. like seriously... So much vision in this one man.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 21 2015 03:31 GMT
#31704
She blames Obama for the delay in the pipeline then questions if he will sign the approval of the Pipeline?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 21 2015 03:32 GMT
#31705
Is there a reason they're putting Ernst up? I get she's a woman, soldier, etc. but is there any other reason?
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 21 2015 03:33 GMT
#31706
Eh, Joni is doing better than expected. I actually like the content and overall tact of the speech. The presentation is not particularly compelling, though.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24139 Posts
January 21 2015 03:34 GMT
#31707
On January 21 2015 12:33 xDaunt wrote:
Eh, Joni is doing better than expected. I actually like the content and overall tact of the speech. The presentation is not particularly compelling, though.



You expected worse than "Siri" reading a script she was inserted into?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 21 2015 03:34 GMT
#31708
be interesting to compare the live poll feeds of different networks.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
January 21 2015 03:35 GMT
#31709
I agree it's good on tact, quite excellent on tact I'd say. A lot of feel-goodness. Pretty typical political spiel though. I agree that it feels more like a commercial than a rebuttal, but hey, free air-time.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 21 2015 03:35 GMT
#31710
Not a commercial more like a PBS fundraising bump.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
January 21 2015 03:36 GMT
#31711
Is anyone else just browsing websites and hashtags looking for republicans being mad and sucking it all in? God I love this shit so much and there's so much of it. Their salt is my pleasure and I'm about to go.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24139 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-21 03:37:42
January 21 2015 03:36 GMT
#31712
Lol even Brett Baier couldn't even keep a straight face.

The SOTU isn't for a few more hours but we've already got an early contender for the night's worst tweet from a sitting member of Congress. Quoth Rep. Steve King (R-Pleasantville):

#Obama perverts "prosecutorial discretion" by inviting a deportable to sit in place of honor at #SOTU w/1st Lady. I should sit with Alito


the salt has been coming all night.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-21 03:38:29
January 21 2015 03:37 GMT
#31713
On January 21 2015 12:33 xDaunt wrote:
Eh, Joni is doing better than expected. I actually like the content and overall tact of the speech. The presentation is not particularly compelling, though.


The content is weak. It's nothing but incredibly generic platitudes and bland rhetoric that have zero meaning.

She sounded like a computerized voice, or maybe like she was trying too hard to be slow and comprehensible to the elderly. That said, she was still better than Rubio last year...
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 21 2015 03:41 GMT
#31714
Correction: There will be three Tea Party responses consisting of Mike Lee, Rand Paul, and Ted Cruz.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 21 2015 03:44 GMT
#31715
On January 21 2015 12:37 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 12:33 xDaunt wrote:
Eh, Joni is doing better than expected. I actually like the content and overall tact of the speech. The presentation is not particularly compelling, though.


The content is weak. It's nothing but incredibly generic platitudes and bland rhetoric that have zero meaning.

She sounded like a computerized voice, or maybe like she was trying too hard to be slow and comprehensible to the elderly. That said, she was still better than Rubio last year...

She gave the response, not the state of the union address. She got like 10 minutes or so to talk. Feel free to explain what specifics can be given in that time. Her job was to present the general republican message, which she did competently.

And let's not pretend that Obama's speech had any real policy specifics in it. To the extent that were any, they are all irrelevant anyway. The bottom line is that no one is going to be working on any of the potential legislation that he proposed tonight. The only possible exception is the authorization to use force against ISIS.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
January 21 2015 03:44 GMT
#31716
On January 21 2015 12:41 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Correction: There will be three Tea Party responses consisting of Mike Lee, Rand Paul, and Ted Cruz.


oh my god where can I watch these?

I need the salt.

Give it to me.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 21 2015 03:46 GMT
#31717
On January 21 2015 12:44 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 12:37 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On January 21 2015 12:33 xDaunt wrote:
Eh, Joni is doing better than expected. I actually like the content and overall tact of the speech. The presentation is not particularly compelling, though.


The content is weak. It's nothing but incredibly generic platitudes and bland rhetoric that have zero meaning.

She sounded like a computerized voice, or maybe like she was trying too hard to be slow and comprehensible to the elderly. That said, she was still better than Rubio last year...

She gave the response, not the state of the union address. She got like 10 minutes or so to talk. Feel free to explain what specifics can be given in that time. Her job was to present the general republican message, which she did competently.

And let's not pretend that Obama's speech had any real policy specifics in it. To the extent that were any, they are all irrelevant anyway. The bottom line is that no one is going to be working on any of the potential legislation that he proposed tonight. The only possible exception is the authorization to use force against ISIS.


She didn't give a response, in fact the first words out of her mouth were that she wasn't going to respond to the presidents speech.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 21 2015 03:49 GMT
#31718
On January 21 2015 12:46 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 12:44 xDaunt wrote:
On January 21 2015 12:37 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On January 21 2015 12:33 xDaunt wrote:
Eh, Joni is doing better than expected. I actually like the content and overall tact of the speech. The presentation is not particularly compelling, though.


The content is weak. It's nothing but incredibly generic platitudes and bland rhetoric that have zero meaning.

She sounded like a computerized voice, or maybe like she was trying too hard to be slow and comprehensible to the elderly. That said, she was still better than Rubio last year...

She gave the response, not the state of the union address. She got like 10 minutes or so to talk. Feel free to explain what specifics can be given in that time. Her job was to present the general republican message, which she did competently.

And let's not pretend that Obama's speech had any real policy specifics in it. To the extent that were any, they are all irrelevant anyway. The bottom line is that no one is going to be working on any of the potential legislation that he proposed tonight. The only possible exception is the authorization to use force against ISIS.


She didn't give a response, in fact the first words out of her mouth were that she wasn't going to respond to the presidents speech.

You are going to nit pick over this? Jesus.

The important takeaway (ie not the semantics) is that she was given 10 minutes to make a speech. Period. Technically, that opportunity is called the response, though yes, she did not really address Obama's speech, which was the right move in this circumstance,
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
January 21 2015 03:53 GMT
#31719
On January 21 2015 12:27 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 12:18 xDaunt wrote:
On January 21 2015 12:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On January 21 2015 12:15 xDaunt wrote:
On January 21 2015 12:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On January 21 2015 11:49 xDaunt wrote:
On January 21 2015 11:47 coverpunch wrote:
On January 21 2015 11:44 xDaunt wrote:
This speech is utterly bereft of vision.

But has plenty of delusion

I especially liked the part where he played up how successful American policy against ISIS has been, and then, in the same breath, he requested the authorization to use additional force.


Why not? The GOP has attacked him constantly for Libya, Syria etc. But when he authorizes fore they can't stop tripping over each other to switch stories.

Criticize Bush all you want, but he never would have demonstrated the pettiness demonstrated by Obama tonight. It's degrading.


Google Karl Rove.

Give an example? This is a State of the Union. Given in front of a party that even before his inauguration decided and tried to make him a one term president and not allow anything to be passed.

Bush dealt with more than his share of partisan horseshit during his two terms. He never dedicated an entire state of the union speech to attacking democrats.



Because instead of going out and pushing for why Republicans needed to keep the presidency after he was gone Republicans locked him in a cave and turned the last republican president into a delusional vision of Reagan.

Obama is clearly using the SOTU to set the stage for 2016 and judging by Republicans so far they are totally blindsided and have nothing but more personal attacks, petty legislation, and fear mongering around "terrorism" prepared for the next couple years.

Republicans wanting a petty pipeline that will primarily help a foreign company being compared to Obama asking for a large infrastructure bill will basically be the frame for every debate.

Republicans roll in with the Earnst teleprompter jokes now right?

That's a losing argument, unless you can get the lies to stick.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 21 2015 03:55 GMT
#31720
On January 21 2015 12:53 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 12:27 GreenHorizons wrote:
On January 21 2015 12:18 xDaunt wrote:
On January 21 2015 12:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On January 21 2015 12:15 xDaunt wrote:
On January 21 2015 12:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On January 21 2015 11:49 xDaunt wrote:
On January 21 2015 11:47 coverpunch wrote:
On January 21 2015 11:44 xDaunt wrote:
This speech is utterly bereft of vision.

But has plenty of delusion

I especially liked the part where he played up how successful American policy against ISIS has been, and then, in the same breath, he requested the authorization to use additional force.


Why not? The GOP has attacked him constantly for Libya, Syria etc. But when he authorizes fore they can't stop tripping over each other to switch stories.

Criticize Bush all you want, but he never would have demonstrated the pettiness demonstrated by Obama tonight. It's degrading.


Google Karl Rove.

Give an example? This is a State of the Union. Given in front of a party that even before his inauguration decided and tried to make him a one term president and not allow anything to be passed.

Bush dealt with more than his share of partisan horseshit during his two terms. He never dedicated an entire state of the union speech to attacking democrats.



Because instead of going out and pushing for why Republicans needed to keep the presidency after he was gone Republicans locked him in a cave and turned the last republican president into a delusional vision of Reagan.

Obama is clearly using the SOTU to set the stage for 2016 and judging by Republicans so far they are totally blindsided and have nothing but more personal attacks, petty legislation, and fear mongering around "terrorism" prepared for the next couple years.

Republicans wanting a petty pipeline that will primarily help a foreign company being compared to Obama asking for a large infrastructure bill will basically be the frame for every debate.

Republicans roll in with the Earnst teleprompter jokes now right?

That's a losing argument, unless you can get the lies to stick.


Seeing how the Erst post SOTU speech was about the Pipeline...
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