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Here's mine
Personal Highlights: most last about 30 seconds but usually it's good till at least the person talking finishes. Each time mark has a brief description
+ Show Spoiler +8:25 Discrimination
9:00 Gays and true love!
19:40 Bigoted Jokes for EVERYONE!
21:50 Could you do the job.
25:40 Cliven Bundy
30:10 What can government do for the economy “lower taxes, less regulation that’s the plan”
32:30 I killed an endangered wolf
33:50 I’ve got a Masters in Raising Hell
36:20 Not bad epic beard guy
37:00 Hawaii just like Idaho
41:35 What does it mean to be an Idaho Republican?
42:25 What it really means to be an Idaho Republican (Harley)
43:30 Epic Beard Republicans!!!!!
44:00 ‘Half the democratic party are Commies!’
48:42 wait did it turn into a campaign commercial for a second?
52:30 ‘Fat jacks cellar because my wifes trumped up restraining order’
53:30 “Nah nah nahh nah nahhh nah”
54:30 Chernobyl… Yeah no shit… Chernobyl
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Dear god, who needs comedians when we have these guys?
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On May 16 2014 14:37 hunts wrote:
Dear god, who needs comedians when we have these guys?
Yeah I'm pretty sure this is funnier than the SNL skit would be... well except it's real so it's not as funny that way
If I had to pick between 4 polished turds like the sleazebags in the suits or the weirdo types, I'd pick the weirdo's
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The real question is how dumb are Idaho Democrats that they're probably going to lose the election?
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Anyone remember Vermin Supreme? I'm having flashbacks to him when I watch that debate.
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United States44286 Posts
On May 16 2014 13:06 BronzeKnee wrote:We absolutely, absolutely must discuss this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQlPcwiruaY#t=172
I'd like to take some time to introduce the candidates for this important debate:First up, representing the left on issues like gay marriage and not very Republican in his own words, biker and former Vietnam Veteran: ![[image loading]](http://s24.postimg.org/fe2ip0bfl/pic4.jpg) Harley Brown!Quote of the debate - "I was living in fat jack's cellar, because my ex-wife had given me trumped restraining orders... for three years I had the credibility of chicken little..." Next up, representing the extreme right on all issues and jailed for homeschooling his kids: ![[image loading]](http://s30.postimg.org/4gwhzkjot/pic2.jpg) Walt Bayes!Quote of the debate - "You remember Chernobyl? Chernobyl, when you translate that into English, it comes out wormwood, and wormwood is mentioned in the Bible a whole lot... and it's radiation..." Next, we have the current governor up for re-election: ![[image loading]](http://s28.postimg.org/dmn8c4te1/pic3.jpg) Butch Otter!And finally, we have basically the same guy as above, with a different face: ![[image loading]](http://s14.postimg.org/h1htt319p/pic1.jpg) Russ Fulcher!God Bless America and the Republican Party!
"Someone said wolf?!?! I did kill a wolf!"
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It's wuff. He killed a wuff.
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On May 16 2014 10:44 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2014 09:27 Danglars wrote:On May 16 2014 05:25 Gorsameth wrote:On May 16 2014 05:20 Danglars wrote:On May 16 2014 05:10 Gorsameth wrote:On May 16 2014 05:07 Danglars wrote:On May 16 2014 04:57 Gorsameth wrote:On May 16 2014 04:46 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On May 16 2014 03:36 Gorsameth wrote:On May 16 2014 03:33 Nyxisto wrote:[quote] Source Wow... so now there going to allow providers to blackmail individual websites? Sounds like the script for a bad mafia movie. "Hey if you don't pay us more then your website might not always be available." Nothing is allowed yet. It's going into the comment period and will likely be changed during. The fact that it is even moving forward at all is an insult and shows a total lack of reason (or an attachment to high "donations") by the members of the committee. Would you go a step further and say the possibility of insensible committee members is proof enough that they should not have had this power in the first place? Or, should there be a transgression on defined limits to their power, they should be fearful of removal? A firing squad should do the trick nicely. In all seriousness, how can anyone find this a good idea worth exploring? I don't really want to play devil's advocate on this one, since most of my arguments on social issues are already construed as the same. My only point is that I think these appointed positions with great power cannot be trusted to act responsibly and should have greater checks than already present on abuse of power. No citizen in a free country should be required to pay attention to 4 month comment periods on a referendum of free speech ... none should take place at all! It was parodied with Adam's Hitchhiker's and the planning committee. But I still find well-meaning types arguing that the problem is just getting the right people in the position, and not simply the position itself paired with human fallibility. But hey maybe I'm a negative nancy and companies paying for faster pipelines will never trend towards slower traffic speeds compared to what I'm experiencing now. Your right and I would probably point the finger to the power of lobby in the US. Its easy to forget your morals and "abuse" your power when people keep shoving large piles of money into your lap if you "represent" there interests. You're right about the lobbying angle. To a certain extent, it represents an ever-present flaw in giving power to the few, because it's easier to influence a few levers than a great many. But even lacking kickbacks or the related praise from big important news publications, sometimes a man or woman gets into these positions by political calculation (Presidential appointees generally are) that has no business being there, and sometimes comprise a majority on these sorts of committees. Even well-intentioned people might make all the wrong decisions for all the right reasons. I don't want to wait for some Congressional force or even direct popular pressure on the Presidency for these types to be gone (and just another lobbyist) with the damage already done. It ought not to be in the hands of the few, and if a committee may indeed make recommendations, they should be referred to the people's legislature, the people's representatives--people who could be out of there in the course of two years or less. FCC regulations with the force of law that are this sweeping in change shouldn't be 5 dudes in suits and a 4 month waiting period, and I'm saying any 5 dudes at all. It seem like the problem is not the power in the hands of the few, but the fact that what they do is often not considered illegal and unacceptable. In well functioning democracies it is ok to put even a lot of power in the hands of the few (within reason) as long as there are laws and cultural norms that consider misusing that power to be a bad thing. Public pressure and justice system should do the rest. Problem I see in US (and other countries) politics is that conflict of interest is defined too loosely and a lot of what common sense would consider conflict of interest is not treated as such. They get flak for illegal and unacceptable all the time, but there's that sliding scale on assembling a cohesive opposition with media presence to bring pressure to bear. They act, you must scrounge for the pressure or with some lawyers and a case. If it doesn't affect some big business or huge cause célèbre, sorry its the FCC and there's nothing you can do about it. Oh but now they've really ticked off a wide swath of citizens, its rescinded and they have egg on their face in the next week's TV shows and news articles.
On the second issue, its been more and more the case that illegal is in the eye of the beholder. Drug policy, immigration policy, incarceration laws, separation of powers between legislative and executive, discretionary powers, plenary powers etc. We're left wondering who wields the stick if the same administration able to appoint people does afford his attorney general the ability to say its a-ok, nothing illegal here. Not the lack of common sense per se, but who's in the position to be the Grand Sharif of Common Sense.
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On May 16 2014 15:46 IgnE wrote:
It's wuff. He killed a wuff.
Pretty sure he admitted to committing at least 2 crimes while standing next to the governor... God Bless Murica'
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On May 16 2014 15:01 coverpunch wrote:
The real question is how dumb are Idaho Democrats that they're probably going to lose the election?
Dont need dumb Democrats for that, you just need dumb Republicans who vote Republican because there great great grandfather did aswell
And yes that applies to both sides.
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this debate is amazing. what the fuck is going on in Idaho
“I honestly think half of the Republican Party is Democrats, and half of the Democratic Party is Communists.”
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On May 17 2014 00:37 Nyxisto wrote:
this debate is amazing. what the fuck is going on in Idaho
“I honestly think half of the Republican Party is Democrats, and half of the Democratic Party is Communists.”
This is what happens when the popular ideas/positions are spoken about by non-politicians. They go and say what they were only supposed to strongly imply.
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On May 17 2014 00:46 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2014 00:37 Nyxisto wrote:
this debate is amazing. what the fuck is going on in Idaho
“I honestly think half of the Republican Party is Democrats, and half of the Democratic Party is Communists.” This is what happens when the popular ideas/positions are spoken about by non-politicians. They go and say what they were only supposed to strongly imply.
Are you suggesting that two of the fine men on that stage aren't "politicians"?
Yeah, I thought they same thing about the Cowboy and the Regular Guy, they aren't politicians.
But the Biker and the Curmudgeon are clearly are cut out to be politicians.
On May 16 2014 20:11 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2014 15:01 coverpunch wrote:
The real question is how dumb are Idaho Democrats that they're probably going to lose the election? Dont need dumb Democrats for that, you just need dumb Republicans who vote Republican because there great great grandfather did aswell And yes that applies to both sides.
In the United States it is become a tradition to elect people based on party alone and because the United States, on the world political spectrum, is on the right, very far right if you're only looking at industrialized countries, we get our fair share of right wing nuts, some of whom are in mainstream politics...
Here in my home state of NH, we accidentally elected a Nazi to office a few years ago, because he was the Republican
candidate.
When asked why he didn't tell any body he was a Nazi when he was running, he responded "no one asked me for my views"
Apparently, we didn't ask him much, being Republican was good enough.
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Top VA Health Official Resigns Amid Scandal Over Treatment Delays
Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki says he's accepted the resignation of the department's undersecretary for health, a day after the two officials testified before Congress about a growing controversy delays in treatment.
"Today, I accepted the resignation of Dr. Robert Petzel, undersecretary for health in the Department of Veterans Affairs," Shinseki said in a statement cited by Reuters.
"As we know from the veteran community, most veterans are satisfied with the quality of their VA health care, but we must do more to improve timely access to that care," Shinseki said.
As under secretary for health at the VA, Petzel oversaw the health needs of veterans under the department's care. Before coming to the under secretary's post, he served as network director of the VA Midwest Health Care Network, based in Minneapolis, Minn., according to his official bio.
As we reported on Thursday, Shinseki told a Senate panel then that he was "mad as hell" about reports that delays in treatment of veterans at some hospitals may have led to as many as 40 deaths.
Shinseki had told the panel that he would not fire any of the department's senior leadership until an inspector general's report was finished in August.
But, as The Washington Post writes, Sen. Mark Begich, Alaska Democrat, had pressed Shinseki "to get rid of those who had been found untrustworthy through fraudulent statements or documents."
"Sometimes you've got to have some heads roll to get the system to shape up," Begich said.
Link
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On May 17 2014 04:48 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +Top VA Health Official Resigns Amid Scandal Over Treatment Delays
Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki says he's accepted the resignation of the department's undersecretary for health, a day after the two officials testified before Congress about a growing controversy delays in treatment.
"Today, I accepted the resignation of Dr. Robert Petzel, undersecretary for health in the Department of Veterans Affairs," Shinseki said in a statement cited by Reuters.
"As we know from the veteran community, most veterans are satisfied with the quality of their VA health care, but we must do more to improve timely access to that care," Shinseki said.
As under secretary for health at the VA, Petzel oversaw the health needs of veterans under the department's care. Before coming to the under secretary's post, he served as network director of the VA Midwest Health Care Network, based in Minneapolis, Minn., according to his official bio.
As we reported on Thursday, Shinseki told a Senate panel then that he was "mad as hell" about reports that delays in treatment of veterans at some hospitals may have led to as many as 40 deaths.
Shinseki had told the panel that he would not fire any of the department's senior leadership until an inspector general's report was finished in August.
But, as The Washington Post writes, Sen. Mark Begich, Alaska Democrat, had pressed Shinseki "to get rid of those who had been found untrustworthy through fraudulent statements or documents."
"Sometimes you've got to have some heads roll to get the system to shape up," Begich said. Link We're still a long ways off from admission of responsibility for the group that died while awaiting treatment. People covered up secret waiting lists from scrutiny. The gall of some of these characters bringing up that "most veterans are satisfied with the quality ... but we must do more to improve timely access." You're either satisfied, waiting, or dead? We're still months away from finding those responsible, but what this guy is doing is beyond belief. I'm mad as hell, but you know we're doing a pretty good job in satisfaction. We're working on the delays but ... nothing else to say? How is that even believable and how is that sufficient enough to placate even one person?
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On May 17 2014 06:34 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2014 04:48 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Top VA Health Official Resigns Amid Scandal Over Treatment Delays
Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki says he's accepted the resignation of the department's undersecretary for health, a day after the two officials testified before Congress about a growing controversy delays in treatment.
"Today, I accepted the resignation of Dr. Robert Petzel, undersecretary for health in the Department of Veterans Affairs," Shinseki said in a statement cited by Reuters.
"As we know from the veteran community, most veterans are satisfied with the quality of their VA health care, but we must do more to improve timely access to that care," Shinseki said.
As under secretary for health at the VA, Petzel oversaw the health needs of veterans under the department's care. Before coming to the under secretary's post, he served as network director of the VA Midwest Health Care Network, based in Minneapolis, Minn., according to his official bio.
As we reported on Thursday, Shinseki told a Senate panel then that he was "mad as hell" about reports that delays in treatment of veterans at some hospitals may have led to as many as 40 deaths.
Shinseki had told the panel that he would not fire any of the department's senior leadership until an inspector general's report was finished in August.
But, as The Washington Post writes, Sen. Mark Begich, Alaska Democrat, had pressed Shinseki "to get rid of those who had been found untrustworthy through fraudulent statements or documents."
"Sometimes you've got to have some heads roll to get the system to shape up," Begich said. Link We're still a long ways off from admission of responsibility for the group that died while awaiting treatment. People covered up secret waiting lists from scrutiny. The gall of some of these characters bringing up that "most veterans are satisfied with the quality ... but we must do more to improve timely access." You're either satisfied, waiting, or dead? We're still months away from finding those responsible, but what this guy is doing is beyond belief. I'm mad as hell, but you know we're doing a pretty good job in satisfaction. We're working on the delays but ... nothing else to say? How is that even believable and how is that sufficient enough to placate even one person?
I think most people comprehend that the VA doesn't do anything on a dime. The people who are 'responsible' for these problems go back decades. Looking at someone like Shinseki or people who were recently added to VA and trying to pin the totality of responsibility on them is ridiculous.
Those people died because the VA has been in a state of disrepair for decades. There is/was no way to resolve the decades old issues in even 8 years especially when you consider the current state of the opposition party.
What is it you expected him to do/say?
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On May 17 2014 04:48 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +Top VA Health Official Resigns Amid Scandal Over Treatment Delays
Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki says he's accepted the resignation of the department's undersecretary for health, a day after the two officials testified before Congress about a growing controversy delays in treatment.
"Today, I accepted the resignation of Dr. Robert Petzel, undersecretary for health in the Department of Veterans Affairs," Shinseki said in a statement cited by Reuters.
"As we know from the veteran community, most veterans are satisfied with the quality of their VA health care, but we must do more to improve timely access to that care," Shinseki said.
As under secretary for health at the VA, Petzel oversaw the health needs of veterans under the department's care. Before coming to the under secretary's post, he served as network director of the VA Midwest Health Care Network, based in Minneapolis, Minn., according to his official bio.
As we reported on Thursday, Shinseki told a Senate panel then that he was "mad as hell" about reports that delays in treatment of veterans at some hospitals may have led to as many as 40 deaths.
Shinseki had told the panel that he would not fire any of the department's senior leadership until an inspector general's report was finished in August.
But, as The Washington Post writes, Sen. Mark Begich, Alaska Democrat, had pressed Shinseki "to get rid of those who had been found untrustworthy through fraudulent statements or documents."
"Sometimes you've got to have some heads roll to get the system to shape up," Begich said. Link
I will give them credit for being far better this year then last year but they still need to be faster then that.
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On May 17 2014 06:47 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2014 06:34 Danglars wrote:On May 17 2014 04:48 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Top VA Health Official Resigns Amid Scandal Over Treatment Delays
Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki says he's accepted the resignation of the department's undersecretary for health, a day after the two officials testified before Congress about a growing controversy delays in treatment.
"Today, I accepted the resignation of Dr. Robert Petzel, undersecretary for health in the Department of Veterans Affairs," Shinseki said in a statement cited by Reuters.
"As we know from the veteran community, most veterans are satisfied with the quality of their VA health care, but we must do more to improve timely access to that care," Shinseki said.
As under secretary for health at the VA, Petzel oversaw the health needs of veterans under the department's care. Before coming to the under secretary's post, he served as network director of the VA Midwest Health Care Network, based in Minneapolis, Minn., according to his official bio.
As we reported on Thursday, Shinseki told a Senate panel then that he was "mad as hell" about reports that delays in treatment of veterans at some hospitals may have led to as many as 40 deaths.
Shinseki had told the panel that he would not fire any of the department's senior leadership until an inspector general's report was finished in August.
But, as The Washington Post writes, Sen. Mark Begich, Alaska Democrat, had pressed Shinseki "to get rid of those who had been found untrustworthy through fraudulent statements or documents."
"Sometimes you've got to have some heads roll to get the system to shape up," Begich said. Link We're still a long ways off from admission of responsibility for the group that died while awaiting treatment. People covered up secret waiting lists from scrutiny. The gall of some of these characters bringing up that "most veterans are satisfied with the quality ... but we must do more to improve timely access." You're either satisfied, waiting, or dead? We're still months away from finding those responsible, but what this guy is doing is beyond belief. I'm mad as hell, but you know we're doing a pretty good job in satisfaction. We're working on the delays but ... nothing else to say? How is that even believable and how is that sufficient enough to placate even one person? I think most people comprehend that the VA doesn't do anything on a dime. The people who are 'responsible' for these problems go back decades. Looking at someone like Shinseki or people who were recently added to VA and trying to pin the totality of responsibility on them is ridiculous. Those people died because the VA has been in a state of disrepair for decades. There is/was no way to resolve the decades old issues in even 8 years especially when you consider the current state of the opposition party. What is it you expected him to do/say?
The VA has been atrocious since its inception. I am sure you will find some way to blame every failure of Government on the 'opposition party'. There couldn't be a systemic rational for Government failure based on economic, philosophical, and psychological maxims. Ask most other veterans. They'll all tell you the same. Yet...the VA is held up as a model for those wanting to increase the Governments all ready insatiable grip on the healthcare industry, practices, and standards.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
the va isn't a unified system and regional administration may differ. charges of atrocious service are uncontextualized and magnified by some anecdotal examples. you can look at RAND studies on VA quality for a better picture
if we take the VA system's occasional delay of care and compare it with the vast swath of uninsured and untreated cases in the private sector, pretty obvious that VA is still superior compared to no govt presence healthcare.
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